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Human Events Daily with Jack Posobiec
The Charlie Kirk Revival: How The Martyring Of Charlie Kirk Reignited The Gospel Across America
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Jack Posobiec
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Isabel Brown
This is Human Events with your host, Jack Posobic.
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Jack Posobiec
Christ is king. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome aboard today's edition of Human Events Daily. We're here live in Phoenix, Arizona. We are in the Charlie Kirk studio. Today is September 17, 2025 Anno Domini. And I have the honor of being joined by one of my heroes in the conservative movement, a legend in this movement, someone who paved the way for everything that is is is going on now. A guy that I used to listen to when I was on deployment, a guy whose show I used to download when I was living in China, Glenn Beck.
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Glenn Beck
Thank you. Such a big fan. You say all those things that I think all I've been thinking of for the last week is, you know how inadequate I am and we all are. When you, when you look at what Charlie has built and done, and most importantly, how he lived his life, the outpouring is just a testament to him as a human being and as a son of God.
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Jack Posobiec
Glenn, you and I were just sort of chatting in the break here that when something like this happens, when a horrific evil like this happens, the first question, of course, Christians, non Christians, believers, non believers, everyone asks why? And I think if you are a believer, it's. You have an answer already because, and this is what I've been sort of toying with, playing with in my mind is that when we see these, it's a revival, it is an awakening, it is a spiritual awakening that's going on. And that it's God. It's. God is using this revealed evil to also reveal himself. Do you think, do you think God is revealing himself right now?
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Glenn Beck
Oh, my gosh, yes. You'd have to be blind not to see that. There's two things that come to mind. One, God didn't want this. God didn't plan this. God didn't have anything to do with this. This was evil. That did this. But I'm a recovering alcoholic, and I. I relate this to a few summers ago, I was building a house, and. And I have absolutely no skill at all. I am. I am the first to be eaten if society goes down because I have no skills. But I wanted to be involved.
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Jack Posobiec
I'll have to get you involved. My brother is. That's what he does for a living.
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Glenn Beck
Eat people like me.
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Jack Posobiec
No, no, no. The house stuff.
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Glenn Beck
Okay. So I just wanted to help out.
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Jack Posobiec
But if you were hungry enough.
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Glenn Beck
Yeah, Yeah, I just wanted to help out and help, you know, be a part of building the house. And so I was cutting wood, and I measured and double measured and then cut and stacked it all up. And I went to the guys after I finished a big pile of wood, and I said, what else can I do? And Foreman came over and put his arm around me and said, Mr. Beck, you know what? It's your money, so whatever you choose to do, we are fine with. But I just want you to know, every cut you made, we had to recut. It was wrong. And I thought I tried so hard. As an alcoholic, I can't tell you in my early part of my life, up until I was 35, how many times I cut everything wrong. I cut more wood, and it was all wrong because I was doing it my way. And nothing was good. Nothing was good. And then I found the Lord and I found redemption. And I got into the waters of baptism. And when I actually worked that, when I actually understood the redemptive power of Jesus Christ, all of a sudden, my whole life changed. And the things that I had thought were so bad that I had done, the Lord took and used all of those things to help me connect to people that I couldn't have connected to before. It put me in places that only the Lord could make it right. The Lord being a carpenter is so good because he'll come in and we've cut all this wood, and it's all been wrong. And yet he'll take that and make something so much better than any of us could imagine. And there's not a scrap. There's no sawdust left. There's not a scrap of waste.
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Jack Posobiec
There's no waste.
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Glenn Beck
There's no waste with him. So he comes in and he sees what's happened, what we've done with Charlie. Because this is going to continue to happen unless we learn our lesson. We have to wake up, and this will continue to happen unless we learn our lesson. So please wake up now. But he sees this mess that we've made and there's enough of us that are prepared to go. Lord, make it stop. Help us, help us, help us. And he is infusing his power, his glory, and he's taking all of the scraps that somebody last week took and cut all of this wood and he's taking all of it. And there's not going to be any waste in this event. And it's going to be glorious. You're watching God in action. You are watching, you are witnessing how miraculous this guy is. No matter what we do, he's not going to be thwarted. No matter what happens, he's going to win.
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Jack Posobiec
And it's like we didn't have to put up a tweet or a call to action or a form or a sign up sheet. We all knew inherently that when a great evil has been inflicted upon the land, inflicted upon the people, that the way to respond, the first thing you do is you gather together and pray. And I remember this in the context of hearing so many people, Glenn, and I know you remember this saying, don't pray. Prayer doesn't have power. And I said, who would say that? Who would want that? And the other side. Yeah, right. Yeah. Read some screwtape letters and you'll find out exactly where that's coming from. That's that, because it causes pain to evil when people pray, and especially when people gather to pray. And so this is why churches exist, this is why consecrated bells, etc. Etc. Etc. And. And yet here in this instance, people just did it on their own. They did it on their own because there was a call to action that came out and anyone with ears to hear heard it.
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Glenn Beck
Yes, Charlie, you could have, you could have killed any of us. You could have killed. You could have killed me. Wouldn't have been the same. No, Charlie was, Charlie was testifying. He went, is there a more glorious way to go out? I don't mean to say it this way, but you know what I mean.
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Jack Posobiec
I know what you mean.
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Glenn Beck
Is there a more glorious way to go out than testifying to the truth of the Lord? Is there any? I mean, I know right where he went. I know right where he went. And that was glorious for him. Glorious. Horrible for us, horrible for his family, but glorious for him. And I think when you saw, I mean, Martin Luther King said, if you put evil against good, it's got to be good. Real honest, not good, you know, grassroots good, real honest, integrity good next to real evil. People will always flock to the good. They will always.
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Jack Posobiec
Because, you know, they. I'm Reminded of the, the exorcists. They say that when, when you have someone who has those, you know, so many imperfections, that's where the evil plays on.
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Glenn Beck
Yes.
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Jack Posobiec
The evil uses that against you and they'll, they'll pick at it and they'll pick at it and you know, because you're, you're self conscious of it. Because we all know, right? We have a. Self conscious. That's where the word comes from. So our conscience is telling us that we have done this evil, we have done this wrong, and that is why it's considered a spiritual purification. Charlie was the, the purest of all of us and he was the, he was the only one who could go up against such evil.
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Glenn Beck
I feel, I feel bad for the people who don't have this. I really do. How lonely, how dark, how desperate, how. I mean, if you have this and you know it there, it gets you through it just gets you through it.
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Jack Posobiec
My, my wife, you know, she texted me last night. She said it, it feels like we're living through the Bible. We are, she said, and these, these things, I think we're living in the.
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Glenn Beck
Last book of the Bible. But that's a different story.
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Jack Posobiec
I wasn't going to go there. I didn't go there with her either. But you know, and she, she's, she's tough, she's, Erica's tough. But it's, you see these things and for those of us that have studied this, that feel this, that have lived this, it's, it's, it's something that even, you know, even I think so many people who aren't believers are saying, okay, you, you guys know something. You, you guys have some kind of secret. What is that secret? And I'm, and I just say it's. Come on in, guys. Doors open every Sunday. Books right here. Find it.
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Glenn Beck
It's not that hard everywhere.
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Jack Posobiec
Just, just try, just go. It's not hard. You just go absolutely.
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Glenn Beck
Looking at. We're living in biblical times and we are seeing. We just saw a prophet. We just saw a prophet. I think think of all the prophets of old. I mean, it usually doesn't end well for them either.
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Jack Posobiec
But John the Baptist will about that, right?
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Glenn Beck
And you look at them and you see somebody that takes that God takes at a young age or whenever they're ready and he just changes them. And Charlie was always amazing. But around 2017, 2018, somewhere in this area, maybe 2020, he changed. He became a tool in the hand of the Lord. You know what I mean? He was a clear tool in the hand of the Lord.
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Jack Posobiec
And he didn't always lead with faith originally. And in many ways, the movement didn't have that. And society had said, oh, be quiet about you Christian conservatives, the religious right. You lost everything, you fools go to church. But leave it in there. Leave it behind the closed doors. And I want to say, Charlie and you as well, some of the first. And certainly on campus, Charlie was the first one to say, no, I'm going to bring the Lord back to campus. I'm going to. And look, our great universities were originally founded as religious universities and then over time, was removed. And so this. This is the agora, right? The modern agora, the modern public square. What. What better example could you have than the quad of a campus? And I remember talking to Charlie about the threats, and especially after Butler last year, and he said, I have to go. Yeah, I'm not going to stop.
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Glenn Beck
I remember 2009. This is how much things have changed. You want to see a miracle? 2009, I'm at Fox, and I'm called into Roger Aile's office, who was the guy who was running Fox at the time. And he said, you got to stop talking about God. Stop talking about God. And I said, okay, you hear me? I hear you. I hear you. A month later, he calls me back into the office and he says, do you remember the conversation we had about not talking about God? I said, I do remember that, sir. I heard you. And he said, do you know how many times you've mentioned God in the last 30 days since that conversation? I said, you counted. No, I don't. And he said, I can't remember the number, but it was like 91. 91, 93 times, something like that. And I said, it's what I believe. It's core. It's fundamental to what I believe. That was so controversial at the time. Talking about God was so not in the mainstream. Not stuff. You know. Now, back then, what was mainstream was the F word. Everybody used the F word.
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Jack Posobiec
Okay, yeah.
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Glenn Beck
Now people are starting to use the J word, and you're starting to hear Jesus everywhere. And that's becoming mainstream. And it's because it's good. The fruit of the tree is good, and people are starving for something good.
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Jack Posobiec
One of the. I think it was this last Christmas when Charlie would hold these events right before Christmas, the. The America Fests. And we had. We were. We were going up on stage, and I think the day before that I was to speak. We. We watched the. The Peanuts Christmas special. And. And I said, that's it, Linus, is that we have to be Linus Christians. And what does that mean? And, and we know this. The. And, and the story, the story behind the story. It reminds me of what you just said with. With Roger Ailes because. And we all know this incredible scene where Linus at a public school is. And you know, what's the meaning of Christmas? What's the meaning of Christmas? He just, he's got the blanket.
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Glenn Beck
You know, I can still hear the lights.
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Jack Posobiec
Spotlight.
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Glenn Beck
I hear the light shutting down.
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Jack Posobiec
He just nails it. Goes straight to the Gospel of Luke and just nails it. That's the meaning of Christmas. Charlie Brown. And he just testifies to the Lord in a public space where no one is talking about it. And they say that there was also some discussion behind the scenes. And this was, I think, the 1960s with Charles Schultz and them saying, hey, we're not sure if we. Network's not sure if we want to go there. You know, it's a little churchy. You know, we don't know if we're going to put this in. And he fought for it and he said, if we don't do it, who will?
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Glenn Beck
Correct.
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Jack Posobiec
And I believe it's still between that and, you know, the Grinch, I think it's the longest running Christmas special in American history. And it's because of that.
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Glenn Beck
It is because of that. That is the reason. It is that, you know, if back then it was a little churchy, but back then the whole country was a little churchy. Yeah, the country is not a little churchy now. I mean, maybe it's a very little churchy right now because the churches have dropped the ball. The churches are not. The church has become a building. Charlie showed us that the church is actually people on the streets reaching out to each other, being kind to one another, doing the right thing, saying the tough stuff, but not being afraid of saying the tough stuff and saying it with love. That's what church is. Not a building. Not a building you go to.
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Jack Posobiec
You know, it's. We've lost so much in the 60s. That's, that's, you know, and I'd love to know. You mentioned. How many times did you say God on air? I'd also love. I'd love to put that up against. How many complaints? How many complaints did. Did FOX receive? How many complaints? I think it's cbs. How has CBS received because of Linus's speech over the years? Count them all up. I'd love to know.
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Glenn Beck
I will tell you, I lost. I lost stations because of talking About God.
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Jack Posobiec
I believe that. But did you get audience complaints?
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Glenn Beck
Ooh, good. Probably not.
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Jack Posobiec
Did. Did the audience complain?
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Glenn Beck
Probably not.
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Jack Posobiec
Probably audience care.
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Glenn Beck
Probably programmer.
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Jack Posobiec
It's. It's programmers, it's executives, it's the system.
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Glenn Beck
Very good.
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Jack Posobiec
But. But the people. No, absolutely not. And I think that that's always been there. And they were just waiting. They were just waiting for a Charlie to just come up on campus and say, yeah, we are going to do this, and this is who we are as a people, and there's nothing wrong with it. In fact, there's everything right about it, and I'm not going to stop doing it. And Charlie, you know, and I. And I knew about a lot of these, that he was getting death threats all the time.
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Glenn Beck
All the time.
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Jack Posobiec
It was a regular occurrence for him, for his family, and not just at the campus events. It was all the time and something they lived under and will continue to live under for some time in security. And his children will grow up in that security bubble. They won't know a world without. Without that. They just. They won't know a world without that. They won't have that normal. Hey, I'm going to go explore the neighborhood. Childhood.
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Glenn Beck
That's how my kids grew up. And it is horrible. It is horrible. What Charlie's kids will eventually have is they will be able to look back and say, look what my dad did. Look what my dad did. Look at my dad's death spurred on. I mean, it does not replace your father. No, but at least you can hold on to something.
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Jack Posobiec
He, he.
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Glenn Beck
You know, soldiers, some of them that I know, after we left Afghanistan the way we did, they were like, what was all of this for? What was all of this for? His children will never say that. His children will never, ever say that. And that's all because of the way we react. And it could have gone another way, could have gone another way where we reacted horribly. But Charlie did and you did. Everybody here has planted the seeds of principles for so long that everyone fell back on their principles. Not on their politics, not on their anger, not anything, but on their principles. What do you actually believe? I believe in God. And I believe God is good. And I believe my neighbor is good. And I believe it's my responsibility to love my neighbor. And that's what we fell back on. It's amazing. It's amazing.
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Jack Posobiec
It's a miracle. And that's what Charlie always stood for. And I can. And I can hear him. I can hear him in my ear, you know, when I talk or when I make A choice, you know, how should I respond? And I had an inflection point the other day. I had this leftist. And we were on a show. I didn't know I was going to be on the show with him on. And. And he's. He's mocking Charlie, he's mocking Erica. He's, you know, conservatives deserve this because you elected Donald Trump. And, And I get that feeling welling up where I just, you know, you want to, you know, as a, As a guy, as a.
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Glenn Beck
As a human.
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Jack Posobiec
As a human, you want to just reach through the screen and. And then I hear Charlie. I said, jack, Jack. And that was it. Just Charlie's voice saying my name. And that was enough. That was enough. Okay. Not like that.
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Glenn Beck
I felt that rage at one point in my career and really felt it hard. And I prayed so hard, prayed so hard. And I heard, these are enemies of mine, not of yours. And that is so important. We're brothers and sisters. He's, dad. Dad will take care of it. I'm not here to police my brother and sister. I'm here to help my brother and sister. I'm here to make sure that when I go home and my brother or sister was out and I saw them and they were doing something, and I get home and my dad looks at me and goes, you left your sister there. You didn't do anything.
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Jack Posobiec
Exactly. That.
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Glenn Beck
That's where we pay the price. He'll deal with his sister or he'll deal with brother when we go. We can't abandon them. We have to love them as our brother and sister.
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Jack Posobiec
Love them as our brother and sister. Glenn Beck, thank you so much for being here. And, and thank you again for the golden EIB microphone. And it's. And it's here. And it. I get why he did it. I get why he brought it. Thank you.
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Glenn Beck
I wish I would have said it to him before now.
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Jack Posobiec
They talk about influencers.
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Andrew Seifer
These are influences, and they're friends of mine.
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Jack Posobiec
Jack. Where's Jack? He's got a great job. All right, guys. We are back. Human Events Daily, live from the Charlie Kirk studio here, Phoenix, Arizona. We do know that. I know there was some news earlier today about. About Turning Point yet again, not just the organization, but actually the physical building. There was a suspicious package. That was the first call that I got this morning that the, you know, the facility was going to be on lockdown, and it was. Package was checked out. Phoenix PD got here incredibly quickly, and they cleared the entire scene. So professional. So I'd just like to say a huge Shout out to Phoenix PD and all of the local security, everyone who's here, everyone who's helping out with the situation, for everything they're doing. People are going above and beyond to make sure that we can be here and do this safely every single day, even in the midst of having faced Charlie's murder, but also in a place where were able to continue the mission, because continuing the mission is absolutely what Charlie would have wanted. And having Erica and her strength and her direction and her guidance in a time like this is phenomenal. It is, it's inspired, it's. It is providence, it's providential, and that's the only way you can really describe such a thing. And it was incredible seeing Glenn Beck here and having him come in gifting the Rush Limbaugh EIB golden microphone to Charlie posthumously and handing that down. Maybe, maybe folks outside of, you know, whatever you call this stuff, independent media, conservative media, you know, they say, well, what's that all about? That's important. That's big. Rush was the pioneer. Rush was the one who started this all the way back in the 1980s, late 80s, and Rush was the one who was the godfather of all conservative media. And he grew up listening to Rush. I listened to Rush. You know, I would say college 2004 was really when I first got in. And so it was Rush and Glenn that I listened to every single day. And you know, then started getting into more as sort of the online space came up, social media. And we, you know, were able to give our views and also have the ability to get active and go get organized through social media. That became a new outlet. But we were all always building on the things that Rush Limbaugh started, that Glenn Beck and so many others followed on in. And it means a lot because losing Rush and then we had lost Andrew Breitbart 2012 and now, now Charlie and I had the opportunity to meet Andrew Breitbart one time, very briefly, signed a book for me. Righteous Indignation. Had the opportunity to see Rush once. Never met Rush directly, but I had the opportunity to see him once at his, what we would later find out would be his final ever public speech, which fittingly enough was at a turning point event. I think it was 2019 in Florida and my wife and at the time my one year old son was sitting there in a stroller and we've got a, we've got a great video of that up and when we look at what this means and when we try to make sense of the senseless and we try to understand what all of it's coming from. I believe there's a reason. And Tanya Tay texted me last night. She's. I'm still here in Phoenix. She flew back to be with our boys. Obviously, our intention is to be there on Sunday at this incredible memorial that's going to happen. And the team has been working around the clock, including Erica working around the clock, being so such a visionary, just such a visionary in terms of the ideas, in terms of the tributes, in terms of the memorialization of a great man and a good man and my friend. And it's just been amazing to have a front row seat to all of that and to see that his legacy will continue and that his mission will continue. I'd also like to thank Catholics for Catholics. John. Yep. Who showed up yesterday and put together just on. On a moment's notice, was able to get over 2,500 Catholics right out here, just steps away from where I'm sitting at Charlie's vigil last night. And we held a rosary for Charlie. And it was so fitting because yesterday was Tuesday, and Catholics know Tuesday is the Sorrowful mysteries. And we prayed the Sorrowful mysteries for Charlie and the sorrowful mysteries of Christ our King, our Lord and Savior. And we sang hymns and we sang patriotic songs for Charlie. And it was very special. It meant a lot to me. And I was telling the guys, I held it together, I was able to keep it together, keep my composure until the very, very end. And they. Giorgio from Floriani was there and they hit me with how great thou art. And I said, man, how you want to hit me with that at a time like this, at a place like this? And they hit me with how great they are. And I just, I had some light. One of those. One of those lights must have got my eyes right there during the chorus. But, you know, I was able to blink it away and I was able to get going. So if you're watching the video of that, that's. That's all that was. Just some light got in my eyes and say, yeah, that's right. We're praying the rosary for Charlie. And, and Charlie had a. A healthy. Charlie was not Catholic, but he had a healthy relationship with Catholic Christians. And he and I used to spar quite a bit about it. And, you know, it's going to be. One of the things that I miss the most about Charlie is just sparring with him. And that's. That's what we did. And that's what we did every, every week on Thought Crime. And that's how we got better and that's how we made ourselves better. And it's really going to be one of the things that I miss the most about my friend. But I'll tell you what I won't miss is the mission, because the mission goes on, the mission continues. And we'll talk about that some more coming up. Because the numbers that we're receiving now, the call ins, the generosity, the people stepping up, it's like nothing I've ever seen before. Jack Posobic, right back. Human Events Daily, Roland Marcus, Boys, Jack, where's Jack? Where is he? Jack, I want to see you. Great job, Jack. Thank you. What a job you do. You know, we have an incredible thing. We're always talking about the fake news and the bad, but we have guys, and these are the guys who've been getting policies. All right. Jack Paso, big We're back live here, Human Events Daily. We're in Phoenix, Arizona. We're at the Charlie Kirk Studio. I am not in Charlie's chair. Charlie's chair is right here. It remains empty and it will remain empty because no one sits in the chair. It's Charlie's chair. And it's been an incredible week. And we're here sharing stories of Charlie and we're sharing times that we spent with Charlie, ways that Charlie inspired us and even some of the lighter moments. And so our next guest I'm very excited to have on. She is the host of the Isabel Brown show on Daily Wire. But more importantly, she was a close friend of Charlie and she's my friend. Isabel Brown joins us now.
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Isabel Brown
Jack, I'm so happy to be here. As I said to you on the break, I wish it was under better circumstances, but I'm so happy to just join together with so many people that knew and loved Charlie this week and to share the happy moments, to mourn the loss of our friend and pick up that torch and carry his legacy forward altogether throughout the movement.
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Jack Posobiec
Well, the mission, the mission continues. It has to. That was Charlie's task force for all of us. So. So, Isabel, tell us, tell us the story of how you met Charlie, because I think if I remember correctly, you were a chapter chair.
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Isabel Brown
I was. I was indeed. You know, it's been so fun to share this with people over the last few days because so many people, far more than I ever realized and I think Charlie ever really realized, oh, everything in their careers, their families, their faith life to Charlie Kirk, because as well as Charlie built an empire. And I think what the media is really focusing on this week is the empire he built in Turning Point usa. Charlie was also really skilled at building people. He had this knack for finding talent in the most unexpected of places and sort of plucking you out of obscurity and giving you an opportunity to join him on the front lines in this mission of the culture war we've been fighting for the last several years. I was one of those people. Of the many dozens upon dozens upon dozens I've seen in the media this week as a student.
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Jack Posobiec
Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Isabel. Wait, wait, wait. I got to cut you off. That That's. I can't be possible because the media tells me that Charlie hated women.
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Isabel Brown
Exactly. Naturally, yes. And especially women who publicly use their voice and have a career. But, you know, it's crazy to see their response. But I'm so grateful that, you know, I had such a roundabout way coming into the conservative movement. I never set out to work in politics or media, never planned on having a podcast for a living or working on college campuses. I wanted to be a physician, and my educational background was in the biomedical sciences. But like the thousands of students that have been involved in Turning Point USA over the last decade, found myself in my classes like anatomy and physiology, not pursuing objective truth and receiving the radical indoctrination of the left on America's college campuses, feeling isolated and alone. Long. Long story short, got a targeted Facebook ad in 2017 for the Turning Point USA Young Women's Leadership Summit from some guy named Charlie Kirk, who I'd never heard of before. And from the first moment of that first conference, just completely fell in love with Charlie's mission, with his energy, with his drive to save the country and his belief that young people can our society. So I started a Turning Point USA chapter at Colorado State University in 2017, hosted Charlie Kirk as a speaker on our campus for one of his first major speaking engagements in February of 2018. And along that way, Charlie became a dear friend and mentor and just encouraged me to listen to where God was leading me in my life, to consider not working in a fluorescently lit hospital as a surgeon for the rest of my life, but instead, use my voice and the talents that God gave me and refine those with the right coaching. Thanks to people like Charlie and to continue this mission and inspire more people in our generation.
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Jack Posobiec
And that's. That's really what. It's. What it's all about. And then, you know, you became one of the people who, of course, joined Turning Point. You. You relocated to Phoenix. That's where I met you. When you were here doing the turning point shows and I was doing the news side on, on human events and you were just, just, just busting it down with your hot freedom takes. And, and you know, pro liberty takes. And it's, and it's amazing because you look, Charlie raised up and who he gathered together and who he gave, he gave his platform to that. He didn't have to do that, but he wanted to do that because he wanted to grow the movement. And I think that's something that so many people get wrong about Charlie, is that for him, it really wasn't about himself or his ego or his, you know, however many followers he had or something like that. It really was about building a broader movement for the whole country.
- [35:02]
Isabel Brown
You know, I can't tell you, Jack, how many times Charlie said those words verbatim that it's amazing, Isabel, what you can get done and what you can accomplish if you don't care who gets the credit. And Charlie was all about not receiving the credit. He wanted everyone else to take home the awards and the accolades and the responsibility publicly for what happened. Even though he was the one tirelessly working behind the scenes as an organizer, as an activist, as someone literally building the day to day operations of this movement that changed an entire generation and from the top down, really setting the tone as the leader of the young conservative movement. Charlie said to me repeatedly over the years, depending on what era we were in, that someone else was always the ideological leader of the conservative movement. We have to take our cues from that person, Isabel. I don't think he realized that at some point along the way, it became Charlie. He was the ideological leader of this movement and thanks to the Charlie Kirk show, really set the tone for the moral foundation of the movement as it carries forward with what we're fighting for. It's not just about electing a great president or saving the country, but this was about a pursuit of saving people's souls and reviving what is good and true and beautiful. And you're absolutely right, he did lend his platform, literally, not just Turning Point usa, but the Charlie Kirk show to so many people over the years and helped to give them a voice and a platform of their own. In 2020, he lost his voice for a few weeks there and I was so fortunate to be asked to co host the Charlie Kirk show with him. I was so, so nervous because I had not really done long form content like that before, but really they just needed someone to sit next to him for when he coughed. They had to mute the microphone and someone had to pick it up before going into commercial break. I learned so much from him. And between that and all night live streaming coverage of elections. We were live streaming together on January 6, which was the craziest day of my life. I got to see this young man in high pressure, intense situations. But he always had a smile on his face. He was the epitome of a happy warrior and he had this depth of belief in what we were fighting for unlike anyone I've ever met.
- [37:03]
Jack Posobiec
No, that's exactly right. And that's who Charlie was on camera, off camera. And he had the drive, he had the ambition, he had the vision. And he never wanted to, he never wanted to settle for less. He was always asking, how can we do more? And even when he achieved more, he would say, great, now how do we do bigger next year? How do we make the next one bigger? How do we make the next one larger? You know, this tour, we're going to 15 campuses. How do we go to 30, how do we go to 100? That's, that's just how he was built. And I think for a lot of people, they say, you know, how can somebody, how can one person have so much drive? And they, they, they look for there to be some, some, you know, he must have been cheating. He must have, you know, had this help or that help. And I said, it's, it's just God. It's, it's really just God. And it's as simple as that.
- [37:53]
Isabel Brown
Perfectly said. Charlie had a God given ability to see something that had never been accomplished before in anyone's wildest dreams and see it as his future reality. To know that nothing is impossible if you humble yourself, become less of yourself and more of God. And he woke up every single day to do just that. And I have no doubt that will be the legacy of Turning Point usa. In this next chapter. Everyone keeps asking me in the media, even though I don't even work at Turning Point anymore, which is so fun, but they keep asking me, well, does Turning Point have the intellectual and the institutional capacity to handle these 54,000 chapter requests? And I always laugh and say, absolutely. Charlie's been telling the staff for 10 plus years, we need a chapter on every single campus in America and we're going to do everything we can to make that happen. I don't think he ever could have predicted it would happen that quickly within a span of just a few days. But it's remarkable to see the energy that young people are so inspired by that was set at the tone, at the Top from Charlie to now say what can I do in my community? How can I influence my own spheres of influence in my family, my friend group and my high school or my church group? And how can we work together to save this great country?
- [39:03]
Jack Posobiec
And Isabel, just in the last minute, because a minute or two that I have you here, there is something that needs to be addressed and that is this question of the perpetrator because I feel like there is and I know there is a massive deception operation going on right now to cover up the fact that a leftist murdered our friend Charlie Kirk.
- [39:25]
Isabel Brown
Yeah, you're absolutely right, Jack. We, we recorded an episode of my show that's going to be airing tomorrow about how no one is investigating that this is a larger network that we have observed, you know this better than anyone on college campuses at Turning Point events for the better part of a decade that violent protests have taken place to threaten Charlie and everyone remotely associated with Turning Points lives. Over the past several years we've been warning about this, we've been posting about this, we've been asking law enforcement to do something about it. And instead we found out from Senator Chuck Grassley yesterday that for the last several years the FBI has been investigating Turning Point and Charlie Kirk as a potential domestic terror organization. This has to be a much bigger investigation. We desperately need answers to these questions if we ever want something not to happen like this ever again. And shame on the media for not treating this as appropriately as they should be.
- [40:16]
Jack Posobiec
Oh, it's, it's, it's really simple. Charlie Kirk was murdered by a leftist and leftist cheered. We all saw it and people have to remember that we saw it because they, they hate being found out. And Isabelle Brown is one of the people who is always going to find them out. Isabelle, where can people go to follow and keep up with your show?
- [40:40]
Isabel Brown
You can find me all across the social media platforms at the Isabelle Brown and I'm so excited to be joining our chapter at Colorado State University tomorrow in Charlie's place. The tour was supposed to continue there tomorrow, but we are having a major prayer vigil for everyone across the west to gather together and mourn the loss of our.
- [40:58]
Jack Posobiec
Jack is a great guy. He's written a fantastic book. Everybody's talking about it. Go get it.
- [41:03]
Andrew Seifer
And he's been my friend right from.
- [41:05]
Jack Posobiec
The beginning of this whole beautiful and event and we're going to turn it around and make our country great again. Amen. All right, Jack Bobic, we are back live. We're here in Phoenix, Arizona. I want to say thank you to the real America's Voice team for everything that they've done to support all of these operations. Also to the local team here on the Charlie Kirk Show. The Turning Point staff just, I, I, I keep saying it, but I, I really do feel it. I, I'm not, I'm not being facetious. It's, it's incredible to see people work under absolutely impossible conditions. And they keep doing it and they do it well. They do it very well. Someone who had to do this in unspeakable conditions last week was there with Charlie at Utah Valley University. His name is Andrew Seifer. He's the Vice President of Student Operations of Turning Point usa. He joins us now.
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Andrew Seifer
Thanks for having me on, Jack.
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Jack Posobiec
Look, Andrew, there's, Before I get into the story, and you, we were at ASU the other night and you told in great detail and thank you for your, your testimony to Charlie.
- [42:17]
Andrew Seifer
Yeah.
- [42:18]
Jack Posobiec
One of the things that I really feel that's getting lost here is there is a massive deception operation going on right now to obfuscate the truth about what happened. And you were there in person. Many of us, of course, saw it on the live stream or on these clips that have come out and went around the entire world. And it's, it's very, it's very clear. And we saw the aftermath as well. I saw a leftist murder. Charlie Kirk and I saw them celebrate it. I saw a leftist murder. Charlie Kirk and I saw them celebrate it. Andrew, you were there. You were, you were physically there. You were literally in the line of fire. What was that like?
- [43:12]
Andrew Seifer
You know, it's, it was a roller coaster of emotion, extreme emotions. What people don't realize is minutes prior, minutes prior to him being shot. It was arguably the loudest entrance I've ever witnessed for Charlie Kirk at an outdoor event. We were at the bottom of a bowl with 5,000 students around us, thrilled, ecstatic, yelling, screaming. Charlie asked for thunderstruck to come on, and there was an av technicality and thunderstruck did not come on. But you did not need the entrance music for it to be. Because it was so loud. No one would even been able to hear the music. That's how loud it was. That man was so thrilled, so excited to be back on campus. It's all he could talk about all summer long. When does school start? Andrew? When does school start? When do I get back on? When's our first event? He had a countdown. And when that pop happened, it sounded so close, so real. Because when you're at the bottom of bowl, the sound Reverberates.
- [44:12]
Jack Posobiec
It echoes.
- [44:13]
Andrew Seifer
It echoes. And it sounded like he was right in front of Charlie. And as I scanned the crowd left to right, because I was 10ft to his left, the last person I looked at to my right was Charlie, head back, squirting like a fountain out of his neck. And it felt like the world stopped. That crowd went quiet. No one ran, no one yelled. It was quiet as I think everyone made contact with Charlie for a split second, and then they ran. The first thought that came to my mind was, we must save anyone else. Because for who? All we knew. We didn't know if there was any more shots fired.
- [44:58]
Jack Posobiec
Right.
- [44:59]
Andrew Seifer
And being 10ft to his left, my whole team was there. My whole team was behind him to the right, to left. For all I knew, the bullet could have exited out of him and hit someone else. I didn't know if there was collateral damage. It was devastating, horrific. But the response. But the response has been. I think the best has been the way that Charlie would want it to be is if he were to ever be martyred, he'd want to see the world rise up, not just the country, not just turning point. And we've risen up. We're working harder than we ever have. From his grave, he still finds a way to make us work day and night. And we're proud to do that. We're proud to do that. That man has. His humor, comes through in all of this. But I think the best part of this, and I hate to say this, but it's the only part that gives us all hope, is seeing how the world has responded. And I think what you mentioned is so important. We must never, never forget the man and the community that he came from that continues to celebrate the horrific death of an innocent man in a very public manner.
- [46:15]
Jack Posobiec
And they lie. They will lie because the Communists hates most of all being exposed and being identified as someone who is actually anti humanity, who is anti life itself, who is not just anti speech, but his. In war with our way of life, in war with our country, in war with our society and at war, to the point where they view the murder of someone, an innocent, good man, in cold blood. There was someone who said, well, you conservatives cheered when, When Osama bin Laden died. I said, that's. That's a terrorist. And so, okay, so you're admitting comparable.
- [46:58]
Andrew Seifer
That's not comparable.
- [46:59]
Jack Posobiec
But, but, but what it is is. It's clarity, because they're clarifying. That's who they are. That's who. That's projection and clarity because they're identifying, we are the ones who have declared war. And CNN asked me this the other day. I'm like, look what happened. Like, what. What do you call that?
- [47:19]
Andrew Seifer
We didn't take the first shot.
- [47:20]
Jack Posobiec
What do you call that? And it was a leftist who did this, and it was a leftists who sell it. And it was leftists who celebrated all over the country. And many of them, you know, are being fired. And by the way, and if it wasn't, then who are all these people losing their jobs? Because obviously that's what it is. When I do want to ask, when, you know, when you were there, when you saw Charlie, did you. Did you know right away, did it look like there was a chance?
- [47:50]
Andrew Seifer
That was the hardest part, was I have a hunting background.
- [47:55]
Jack Posobiec
Right? Right.
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Andrew Seifer
I know what a kill shot looks like.
- [47:58]
Jack Posobiec
Okay?
- [47:59]
Andrew Seifer
I knew instantaneously. He was gone instantaneously. And I haven't made the bearer of that news to everyone in our organization internally, those that needed to know immediately. So many people said, andrew, you're in denial. You just went through trauma. We get it. Like, is there hope? And you never want to be the bearer of bad news. You always want to believe there's a miracle, right? There's a God. He exists. Everything happens for a reason. And you want to believe that there's miracles, but you don't. Biologically, there's no way that anyone can come back from that type of shot. And I knew and I had to. I had to tell everyone, there's no hope. He's gone. And so when the. When the notification came out saying, oh, we found a pulse, we found, right, he's in critical condition, but he's still alive, I wanted to believe it, but I knew and I knew and I already had told the world that he was dead.
- [48:55]
Jack Posobiec
Do you think. Do you think he even felt anything?
- [48:58]
Andrew Seifer
Oh, not a chance. Not a chance. He woke up to. I think he went from answering that student to all of a sudden being in front of God instantaneously, I think, split that second. He's like, where? What happened? Where am I? I think with perfect clarity, looking down in that scenario, seeing us all mourn his death and.
- [49:23]
Jack Posobiec
And looking down from above. And also just that mischievous smile that we.
- [49:32]
Andrew Seifer
He always found a way to smile in the hardest times.
- [49:34]
Jack Posobiec
He found a way. He had that little. He had a little twist on something or a little take on something.
- [49:39]
Andrew Seifer
It was that mischievous smile that kept us in the darkest of times. The hardest of times say, all right.
- [49:44]
Jack Posobiec
We only have a minute left, Andrew, are we going to be able to handle. Is Turning Point going to be able to handle all the signups that, I mean, I know you're dealing with that as well as dealing with the grief. Yes or no, are we going to be able to do this?
- [50:00]
Andrew Seifer
It's a great problem to have. It's a great. The fact that we are overwhelmed, drowning in the amount of student interest is everything that he would want. Whether my team is equipped to handle the mount or not, we're going to level up. We're going to, we're going to grow. We're going to get to every student and we promise you that every student, we will find you, we'll talk to you, we're going to get you involved. No different than what Charlie would want.
- [50:23]
Jack Posobiec
Amen to that. Amen. Andrew, we, we'll get you on. I know we're doing some more live streams, etc and we'll, we'll. I want to unpack that more because people, it's, it's the, it's the number one. Well, I should say every day. It's the number. It's the number one question I get. How do I get involved? And the number two is, hey, where can I get one of those freedom shirts? It's just, just, it's just constant. Andrew, thank you so much for being on. And to everyone else out there, just, just repeat it. Just say it. I saw a leftist murder. Charlie Kirk and I saw them celebrate it. Ladies and gentlemen, you have my permission to lay short.