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Jack Posobiec
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Raw Egg Nationalist
Former Navy intelligence veteran. This is Human Events with your host, Jack Posobic.
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Jack Posobiec
Christ is king.
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Raw Egg Nationalist
We have breaking news. Wrestling legend Hulk Hogan has died.
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Hulk Hogan
Ladies and gentlemen, the one, the only, the Incredible Hulk Hogan.
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Jack Posobiec
Looking at the size of your arms, I wish I had anything that big.
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Hulk Hogan
He just came in and you knew that this guy had a glow about him.
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Raw Egg Nationalist
He was a force to be wrestled with.
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Jack Posobiec
He was the Babe Ruth of wrestling.
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Hulk Hogan
The household name that became bigger than our sport.
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Jack Posobiec
Hulk Hogan was the man who brought professional wrestling into the Mainstream in the 80s.
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Hulk Hogan
Hulk Hogan was the foundation for everything that we have today.
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Jack Posobiec
When Hulk Hogan came out, he was in the main event. The roof just blew off the place. And that's when I decided, man, I would really like to be a professional wrestler.
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Hulk Hogan
The Hulkster, how good was he? Is he?
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Raw Egg Nationalist
Where is he?
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Hulk Hogan
Hopeful. He was one of those guys who.
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Jack Posobiec
Was larger than life.
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Hulk Hogan
People always wanted the famous, his enemies, but we were actually very, very close friends. He was a good man. He was special. He loved the President and obviously he loved America. I said maybe entertainment. But he is one strong son of a gun. I will tell you. I watched it many times. Train, say your prayers, eat your vitamins. Be true to yourself, true to your country. Be a real American. I am a real American. Fight for the rights of every man. I am a real American. Fight for what's right. Fight for your life. When it comes crashing down and it hurts inside. Let me tell you something, brother. When they took a shot at my hero and they tried to kill the next President of the United States, enough was enough. And I said, let Tropamania run wild, brother. Let Trumpamania rule again. Let Trumpamania make America great again.
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Jack Posobiec
Ladies and gentlemen, welcome aboard today's special edition of Human Events Daily here in Washington D.C. and today we're doing a special entitled the Death of the Superstar. And you just saw those images of Hulk Hogan, Harry Jean Bollea, from his entire career, his iconic status as a patriot, among all things, a patriot who loved God, who loved his country, who would wear a cross, who would make the sign of the cross before going out on that ring, who told seminal stories and performed incredible feats and stood as a symbol for children, young children, that America was good and that America was strong and that America was worth defending. And now you've seen this reaction, a very split reaction to the death of Hulk Hogan. And in fact, in Hulk Hogan's very last physical appearance in wwe, in a crowd full of Angelenos in Los Angeles on Netflix, he was booed. So you quite literally have the icon of real America being booed by New America. And this is something that's played out in our politics. This is something that's played out in our streets. It plays out in the media. And that's what I want to talk about today. And not just about Hulk, but want to get into this idea of the death of the Superstar as well. But just zooming out for a second. I was there that night at the RNC and had my kids there, had my wife, my brother. The minute I heard that Hulk Hogan was going to be in town, I said, I'm going to lock in my seat. And the minute that the performance or, you know, the event began that evening, we sat down and I said, I'm not moving from this seat until Hulk comes out. And the boys were there. And even though it was way past their bedtime, they stayed up. And easily one of the top 10 moments of my entire life. I don't just mean career. I mean my entire life. Be there again with my children, who at Trump's original rnc, I didn't even have children yet. And there he was, waving the flag. My little boys, my two little boys. And, man, when he took that jacket off, I froze. I said, he's not gonna do it. There's no way. And then he brought his arms up to the top of his shirt and he started pulling. And it was like a wave of energy washed over the entire crowd. My knees buckled. Not even gonna lie, my knees buckled. Hit the wall behind me. I almost dropped my kid. I couldn't believe it. Couldn't believe it. I've never seen any depiction of this in any footage or any of the streams that just kept catch and capture. The sheer energy and power that was unleashed by Hogan on stage that night, that's what was needed to save America. And he came back one last time for one last ride. Make America Great.
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Raw Egg Nationalist
Again.
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Jack Posobiec
So today, folks, we're going to run wild and talk all about the importance of Hulkamania, which will live forever. Ladies and gentlemen, right back. Human Events Daily. Royal records.
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Hulk Hogan
Nothing will stand in our way. And our golden age has just begun.
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Raw Egg Nationalist
This is Human Events with Jack.
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Jack Posobiec
Pos now it's time for everyone to understand what America first truly means. Welcome to the second American Revolution. All right, Jack. So here we are back live human events daily. We're talking about the death of the superstar. And in order to understand the death of the superstar and the reason that our society just doesn't produce these types of figures anymore, we really have to understand how they were produced in the first place and how they came about. And you know, when you look at the 80s, the 90s, there were superstars everywhere and not all of them were truly iconic status, but there were so many. Mike Tyson, Michael Jordan, Princess Diana, Ozzy Osbourne. We're going to talk about him in a little bit as well. But Hulk stood head and shoulders, both physically in some of these cases and relatively above all of them. By the way, another icon of the 80s, of course, Donald Trump himself, who we talk about almost every day here. But what I mean with Hulk is that he was this larger than life figure that you could also reach out and touch because what was he doing with professional wrestling is he was going out to all of those little towns and crossing the highways and Byways of America365 or in his telling, 400 days a year, because he would wrestle in Japan across the dateline and he would show up in your town, you could go and see him and physically watch him come and do battle with these other legendary figures. And so to, to understand sort of this whole milieu and everything that was, everything that, that we've lost, everything that we can have again. Wanted to bring on, I want to bring on my great friend, the raw egg nationalist from the UK to talk a little about it. What's up, man?
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Raw Egg Nationalist
It's good to see you, jack, as always.
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Jack Posobiec
AKA Dr. Charles Cornish Dale. He's a PhD from, from Oxford, you believe or not, folks, I'm, I'm not sure about that one. But somehow he slipped through the cracks. Yeah. So you, what's, what's funny is, and I'll just, I'll say this publicly for the first time, the very first conversation that you and I ever had in our entire time of knowing each other was actually about a Hulk Hogan TV show that somehow we watched in the 1990s growing up called Thunder in Paradise. And I went back and watched some of that this week with my kids and man, they do not make it like that anymore. They don't make anything like that.
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Raw Egg Nationalist
They. They really don't. Yeah. Thunder in paradise is this kind of lost classic in a way. It's, you know, it's this absurd premise. Hulk is this kind of special forces guy who's living somewhere like Hawaii, and he has a special. A special kind of transforming boat that he, that he kind of rides around in and solves crimes and. And, you know, fights the Cuban communists and all sorts of other absurd stuff. And they're, you know, bikini clad women and he's got a sidekick and it was just totally over the top. Really, really kind of absurd stuff. A bit kind of like Baywatch, but with guns and explosions. And for some bizarre reason, they showed it on British television on. On a Saturday. On Saturday afternoon. And so I, I watched it when I was sort of six or seven. I mean, I also watched, of course, wrestling, WWF as it was back then. I had a friend whose parents had satellite and so I could watch wwf and we would watch the Undertaker and Brett, Brett, you know, Brett Hart and Shawn Michaels and the British Bulldog and of course Hulk Hogan. So, I mean, Hulk Hogan was a huge part of my, of my childhood. And he was a huge part of yours. And yeah, it was the, it was actually the. Pretty much the very first thing we bonded over was this, this absurd, silly, mid-90s television show with, with Hulk Hogan.
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Jack Posobiec
But let's so zoom out for a minute. You know, what was it about Hulk Hogan as a figure and, and what was it about our society at that time? So we're, you know, it's, it's. He really is a figure. You almost can't separate it from the Cold War and then the end of the Cold War and all of the pressures that were sort of pushing into that. Because this feeds into Hogan. He doesn't originally have the real American soundtrack. He's given that he's. He's holds the flag and just transforms immediately into this larger than life figure because he's not just a wrestler anymore. He's somehow become this, this living icon of the. The nation itself.
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Raw Egg Nationalist
Yeah, Hulk Hogan really did, I mean, for me, look a little kid growing up in rural England watching wrestling on satellite. You know, I mean, there were. There were loads of big personalities. Of course. There, there were. There was the Undertaker, there was Shawn Michaels, but there was just something about Hulk Hogan. He did, like you say, he seemed to personify in all of its aspects, the American dream. And you know, I mean he, he literally personified it in the sense that he was, you know, 6ft 8 inches tall, 300 plus pounds. I mean every, everything about him was absurd and overblown and raucous and out of this world. I mean, you know, for a little boy, like, like I was, you know, watch from a rural English village, it was actually like having a window not into another country, but actually onto another planet. You know, I mean, this guy was like, this guy was like, like an alien or something. You know, I mean he's so, so different from the, from the norm for, you know, sort of an English boy. And it was so glamorous and it made America seem like this incredible place of opportunity and, and you know, where literal giants walk the earth and perform superhuman feats of strength and you know, on a nightly basis. I mean, it was incredibly, incredibly alluring. And Hulk Hogan just seemed to capture, I think, the real kind of absurdity and the overblown nature of the American dream, of the hopes and aspirations of the American people of, and this kind of vision actually of, you know, like he's an ordinary guy and then he becomes this incredible superstar. I mean, it is the American dream. It's the American dream advertised nightly in.
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Jack Posobiec
A squared circle, you know, and what is of course Hollywood came calling his first movie, Rocky iii. Tremendous success took over the entire world. And you've got a number of figures in there. You've got from Carl Weathers to Mr. T to Sylvester Stallone himself, Hulk Hogan. And people look and say, where can I get more of this type of thing? And of course they turned to the wwf. And what is Hogan doing there? And again, it's not complicated. It's not some large complicated story. It's what, what he does is how do you present someone as a hero? You go and have them slay the giant. You have them go out and kill the giant that's been terrorizing the land. And that's exactly what they did. And what's amazing, and I want to tie back into this as well, because this is another element of it when, when Hulk Hogan fought Andre the Giant, people say, oh well, it's scripted, it's scripted. Yeah, well, so is Marvel. Okay, so, so is Star wars. Right? But what's different here is he's actually lifting a 500 pound man over his head and slamming him to the ground. That requires actual physical a tore every muscle in his back. And you know, talked about it for years that, that it was, it was an injury that stayed with him. For the rest of his days until his, his death itself at 71. And that match wasn't held in, you know, Madison Square Garden or, you know, Los Angeles or any of these big. It's held in Pontiac, Michigan.
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Raw Egg Nationalist
Right.
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Jack Posobiec
So this, this hardscrabble, rural, industrial, working class, blue collar area, but they still get 93,000 people into the arena. Why? Because, well, you know, your area, and that was what was so great about wrestling. Your area may not have a professional sports team or some massive downtown, but you know what? Hulk Hogan might be coming and you can see, go and see him perform these incredible feats without having to go too far or even pay that much money.
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Raw Egg Nationalist
Yeah, it's. I mean, look, people, people rag on wrestling and always have ragged on wrestling for being fake. And maybe it's unsophisticated, you know, and the only people who like it are rubes, etc. But it's, it's. I mean, it's not, it's not, none of it's true. I mean, you know what you were saying about slaying the giant. Look, I mean, this isn't, we're talking about archetypal stories. And yes, the hero going out and slaying the giant, slaying the dragon. This is an archetypal type of story. And it's a type of story that everybody, everybody can get behind, everybody can understand and everybody knows who's right and who's wrong and everybody can root for the good guy. And that's what they did with Hulk Hogan.
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Jack Posobiec
But I think it's quite literally in the Bible.
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Raw Egg Nationalist
Yeah, exactly, exactly. I mean, yes, it's David and Goliath. We're talking about the oldest kind of stories being played out in a totally novel format, you know, with modern glitz and glamour and pyrotechnics and, you know, beamed around the world on satellite and all that kind of stuff. But nevertheless, this is deep, deep human interest that we're seeing play out. And, but, but what is interesting as well, like you say, is, look, that didn't take place at Madison Square Garden. That took place in Pontiac, Michigan. Right? So ordinary people could literally watch these giants, these, these superheroes. And they were superheroes. They could watch them. You know, they could be within feet of them, within 10ft or 100ft of, of, you know, these, these two giants going at it in this archetypal, you know, like biblical stories. Like, here's a, here's a, here's a restaging of David versus Goliath, but it's also a story about America. So, I mean, it was a, it was a supremely effective way, I think, actually of making people feel patriotic, making people feel like they were part of this grand kind of tableau, this grand story that not only is about America as a nation, but also about sort of like human achievement, striving, good versus evil. I mean, it's incredibly powerful.
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Jack Posobiec
And where did we see that play out again? Or in terms of a spiritual Successor, it's another 80s icon, Donald Trump, when he would go to places like Battle Creek, Michigan or Mosiny, Wisconsin, or even Butler, Pennsylvania, and you can come and it doesn't matter where you're from, you can go and see Donald Trump. And so in this way, trumpamania, or the MAGA movement, becomes the spiritual successor of Hulkamania. What Hulk Hogan did, it's beyond politics. Right back, Jack Posobic, broad nationalist.
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Hulk Hogan
Today, you know, they talk about influencers. These are influencers and they're friends of mine. Jack, Where's Jack? Jack. He's got a great guy.
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Jack Posobiec
All right, Jack Wisopic here. Right back, Human Events Daily. We're talking about the death of the superstar. And what's interesting though is so many of these superstars, we're talking with the raw egg nationalist doct Charles Cornish, Dale and egg. One of the things I have to say when we're talking about Hogan, we're going to talk about Ozzy in a little bit is there's so much of what we're saying here is, is strength, masculinity, testosterone. And then you look at something obviously you've written about so many times is the lack of this in our society and you go all the way down into the weeds of it. But you know, when, when you take a step back and you, and you really look at the big picture is we aren't a society that produces Hulk Hogans anymore. And if, and if they're out there, we're certainly a society that suppresses a Hulk Hogan from rising to such heights because we are not a society that places value on these things anymore. And you saw the success of America in the 80s and 90s, and it really, it really has to be said, are we a country that's been led into ruin because we no longer prioritize these things?
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Raw Egg Nationalist
Yeah, well, I think it's, I think it's impossible to disagree with the notion that actually, you know, American society has been neutered since the 1980s, since the 1990s. I mean, just with regards to wrestling.
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Jack Posobiec
You know, then the back when Hulkamania was running wild.
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Raw Egg Nationalist
Exactly. I mean, Hulkamania was running wild and then you had kind of like a last gasp of that really kind of testosterone fueled version of wrestling with the Attitude era. You know, I mean, that was really off, off the hook with people like Stone Cold Steve Austin and the rock, etc. And that was kind of like the last gasp in wrestling. But I mean, more broadly as a, as a society and a culture, then, yes, I mean, you know, America is more than it's ever been hostile to. I think that kind of overblown, incredibly over the top sort of masculinity. And, and really, in a sense, I think that someone like Donald Trump is, is like the last gasp. I mean, Donald Trump was there in the 1980s, in the 1990s.
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Jack Posobiec
He was in the World Wrestling hall of Fame.
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Raw Egg Nationalist
Yeah. He was part of the.
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Jack Posobiec
And, and our current Secretary of education is Vince McMahon's wife.
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Raw Egg Nationalist
Yeah. And so he's kind of like, he's like the, the last custodian of that flame in a way. You know, it's like he's in the White House and now it's like the last chance that maybe America will get actually to return to that sort of glorious, overblown hope fueled kind of. And Donald Trump has talked of a golden age. You know, he said the new golden age of America begins again. But of course he. Looking back to the 1980s, to the 1990s, to the, to the, you know, to the, to the days when.
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Jack Posobiec
Talk to me a little bit about. I mean, this is, this is sort of that meme, right? That, that classic meme of weak men create hard times, strong men create good times. And you really can't separate this notion of strength and masculinity being in the lead. And you know, this is a thought crime, I suppose, and end good times. It's something that just, it echoes throughout history. The pattern that echoes throughout history.
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Raw Egg Nationalist
Yeah, it absolutely does. It absolutely does. And I think that we're discovering really, or have discovered over the last, say 20 years that actually, you know, if you new to men, if you tell men that, that their natural instincts, that their natural desires, that the hormone testosterone that makes them men and not women is bad, then actually you create a society that doesn't work. It doesn't work. You know, I mean, America has been sent off down the wrong track because it's demonized its boys and its men. And you know, it's a complex phenomenon that has, you know, a wide variety of causes and a wide variety of sort of symptoms, but fundamentally, I think it is you know, I mean, the decline of superstars, the decline of people like Hulk Hogan, the inability of the system to foster these people, to give them outlets for their masculine impulses and tendencies, you know, I mean, that is a. That is a fundamental failing. And the reason why America has fallen behind, the reason why America is in hard times is. Is definitely because America hasn't found a way actually to encourage positive masculinity. And, you know, I mean, Hulk Hogan was a positive role model. Hulk Hogan was somebody who, however, overblown his, you know, WWF routine and was. And how overblown he was on the. On the silver screen, you know, I mean, he was still someone people could relate to and people could still see in his actions and the, you know, the situations he got himself into and the stories he was involved in that actually, you know, he was playing out a. A positive story about the. The need for strong men. Even if he was absurdly strong and absurdly huge and far bigger than, you know, than the vast majority of people could ever be, nevertheless, he embodied a kind of vision of positive masculinity in service of the nation. And that's. Well.
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Jack Posobiec
Well, actually, you know, it's. It's funny you mentioned this because just before Hulk Hogan really burst onto the scene, there was. You know, or as I should say, as he was coming out, he was sort of concurrent with this. There was another wrestler, Dusty Rhodes, who had a famous promo, you just mentioned it, hard Times, where he. He says this on air and he says. He says, you put hot. And he's. He's talking to Ric Flair. He says, you put hard times on Dusty Rhodes and his family. But you don't know what hard times are, Daddy. Hard times are when the textile workers around this country are out of work. They got four or five kids, they can't pay their wages, can't buy their food. Hard times are when the auto workers are out of work and they tell them, go. Go home. And when a man has worked for 30 years at a job 30 years, and they give him a watch, kick him in the butt and say, hey, a computer took your place, Daddy. That's hard times. And it's. And you hear that, and it resonates because here we are, I think, 40 years later, and it's the same situation.
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Raw Egg Nationalist
Yeah, it's the same story, except it's not a computer taking your job. It's, you know, it's uncontrolled mass immigration. It's millions of people flowing across the southern border. But, yes, it's totally the same situation. And this is, this, I think, is why you have to understand the kind of intimate links between the wrestling world between a phenomenon like Hulkamania and also the kind of rhetoric that's someone like Dusty Rhodes was using in the early 80s and the Trump phenomenon. I mean, it's, this is, this is all populism. This is, this is all.
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Jack Posobiec
It's, it's a massive, it's. Well, not I would even say, I would even go so far as a nationalist populism. So it's, it's nationalist populism because it's, it's a rally around the flag moment. But at the same time it's wedded to these populist ideas that, hey, the economics have gotten so screwy. We love our country, but we need someone, we need a hero. We need a champion. Jack, right back. Real America's voice. Human Events Daily.
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Hulk Hogan
And Jack. Where's Jack? Where's Jack? Where is he? Jack, I want to see you. Great job, Jack. Thank you. What a job you do. You know, we have an incredible thing. We're always talking about the fake news and the bad, but we have guys and these are the guys who be getting public. Sam.
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Jack Posobiec
Jack Wick here. We're back. Human Events Daily. We've been talking about the death of the superstar and we're getting into Hulk Hogan. We talked about how the MAGA movement really is the spiritual successor to Hulkamania. This idea of real America versus New America. So the icon of real America that being Hulk Hogan gets booed by New America, the Angelenos, at that Netflix event where he held his last appearance in pro wrestling. But there was another working class icon who died recently and went out with tremendous fanfare as well, and that was Ozzy Osbourne. And you just saw those videos of the city where he and all of his bandmates were from Birmingham, England, as well as the site of their final concert just a few weeks ago. Raw Egg Nationalist is our guest. He's British, although he wasn't there because I guess he was washing his hair that day. And I wanted to get into this idea because, you know, we've been talking about how it. There is very much so when it comes to these, these superstars, these absolute iconic figures, there's a connection they have with the average person that only really comes from having been working class and giving respect to the average person, the common man. The way that Ozzy Hulk trump that, all of these Princess Diana that they always did.
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Raw Egg Nationalist
Yeah. So look, I mean, we're on the subject of heavy metal now. Black Sabbath, Ozzy Osbourne. It's a remarkable thing that so many amazing bands in the 70s, and indeed in the 80s, came from a very small region of England, the Midlands, the Black country, Birmingham, and towns and cities around Birmingham. You know, these are solidly working class, former industrial manufacturing towns and cities that have fallen on hard times. And what happens, there's a kind of, there's a cultural movement there. You have these bands, Black Sabbath, Led Zeppelin, Judas Priest, Saxon, you know, all of these, all of these rock bands that would go on to, to conquer the world. Not just the, not just the uk, but America, the Far east, everywhere, you know, and they all came out of this, out of this small region of the uk. It's all tied to place, it's all tied to authentic existence. You know, these were working class people. You know, Ozzy Osbourne was a working class man. He went to prison, he was, he was a burglar. You know, he worked in a slaughterhouse, he worked in an abattoir. I mean, he, he was, he was at the very, very sharp edge of real life. And, you know, his, his experience.
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Jack Posobiec
And Tony, Tony Iommi, I mentioned this before on air, but Tony Iommi is, has his hand disfigured in a, in a sheet metal factory that he's working at. @17. He has his fingers chopped off and rather than give up playing guitar, he fashions leather thimbles and then places them in replay and replaces his fingertips and he's gone on to invent rock and roll or, excuse me, event heavy metal because of this accident. I mean, you're talking about real life. This is the genesis of hard rock. Heavy metal is through this, this working class, very real experience and deep connection to the actual roots of life and reality.
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Raw Egg Nationalist
And what's, what's important as well to note, of course, is that actually none of these people lose touch with where they. So Ozzy Osbourne, despite being a huge superstar, you know, one of the, one of the icons of heavy metal and living in Los Angeles and selling, you know, tens of millions of records of being an international superstar, where does he go for his final concert? And he knew, this is what's so poignant. He knew, he said in an interview, this is going to be the last thing I ever do. He knew that he was going to die. So where does he go? He goes home to Birmingham to see his people and to give them one final swan song. And, you know, you look at the, look at the people lining the streets of Birmingham as his, as the, as the hearse Passes. You know, they're all white working class people. And this is in a city, Birmingham, you have to remember England's second city that is now minority white. You know, Birmingham has seen extraordinary demographic change in recent decades, and yet it's still the white working class people there coming out paying their respects to, to a hero from their community, to a man who despite having ascended to the, to the greatness of a, of a rock God, of a rock icon, nevertheless still loved his simple people. The simple people who actually, you know, propelled him to stardom, who bought his records, who were with him over four or five decades of the, of the most amazing career in music. I mean, it's very, very touching, but it, but it points at exactly what we were talking about with Hulkamania and now with trumpamania and Maga. You know, it's this connection.
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Jack Posobiec
If I can just connect people, if I could just hit on something. I pulled this up as you're being. So Birmingham, that's also the place now where you've seen these massive Islamic prayer groups out in the public square. Tommy Robinson's talked about this a number of times. You. And I think it's the city that has the largest per capita Muslim population in a third of the city. A full third of the city. Hundreds of thousands in Birmingham, England. And yet you look at the crowd that's there for Black Sabbath and I look at them and say, well, that's, that's in the same way we talk about Hulk Hogan. There's real Americans. Those are the real British.
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Raw Egg Nationalist
Yes. Yeah. I mean, it's very, very striking. It's, it's a kind of, it's a vision of, of what England was, of what Britain was as a nation. For, for a moment, you know, you were saying about, when we were talking before the show, you were saying about the Queen, about, you know, how similar this was to the Ozzy Osbourne.
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Jack Posobiec
It was the same thing.
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Raw Egg Nationalist
The Queen's funeral. Yeah, it's exactly the same thing. It's the same people. It's the people who actually have a connection to Britain, who actually have a connection to England, who actually love the country, who want to preserve it, who respect and, and love and uphold its traditions and history. And that's a different thing. You can live in a place and actually you're, you're never really part of it and that, that's the difference. These people are part of, are part of Birmingham, they are part of England, you know, and they're part of, they're part of England. In the same way that Ozzy Osbourne was part of England. And you know, it's, it's, it's very, very striking, very striking, very noticeable.
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Jack Posobiec
And I, I look at this and I think that you, you, there's no way to talk. So we talked about the, the loss of masculinity. We talked, obviously the industrialization has played a huge role in this, but. And we keep talking around it, but we've got a minute before the break here. But these, these massive demographic pressures in the United States. You mentioned Los Angeles and now here, Birmingham, where it, it clearly shows that the original population, the, the, the, you know, primary stock, what, whatever phrase you want to use for it, of the population, when they have a connection, a direct line connection to one of these figures, that's what propels them to these massive heights. That's what gives them this massive backing to where Ozzy Osbourne can, for something like, like 40 or 50 years can still be selling out, you know, these stadiums in the very same town. Hulk Hogan, by the same token, can do this. Why? Because they are from the fabric. They are the fabric of the nation. They're not stitching in, they're not swapped in, they're not transplants. They live and breathe it right back. Jack Posobic, Rawag Nationalist the Death of the Superstar.
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Hulk Hogan
It's a fantastic book. Everybody's talking about it. Go get it. And he's been my friend right from the beginning of this whole beautiful event. And we're going to turn it around and make our country great again.
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Jack Posobiec
Amen. All right, Jack Pasopic back here, Human Events Daily. We're talking about the death of the Superstar, the connection between so many of These superstars of the 80s 90s, Hulk Hogan, Ozzy Osbourne, the direct connection with the working class, the areas that they came from. But it also has to do with the way they came up. Hulk Hogan having to go through independent wrestling circuits and house shows and a variety of different personality types and characters before settling upon the one that propelled him to superstardom. Ozzy Osbourne again. Black Sabbath having to come up the way that old rock bands used to come up through, through bars and working these odd jobs and working in a slaughterhouse and Tony Iommi work, getting his fingers cut off in a sheet metal factory. And you know, Dusty Rhodes talking about the hard times. We're on with raw egg nationalist, Dr. Charles Cornish Dale. And you know, Egg, I think about what makes us a quote unquote superstar today. And I don't want to rag on Logan Paul, but you know, with With Logan Paul, Jake Paul, it's, there's, there's something a bit different there. Or a Justin Bieber because, you know, and, and you know, I'll take my lumps too. I use social media as well, but it's like they came up as, as, as YouTubers. Right, right. You, you went on and made some, some funny, you know, backyard videos and YouTube liked your, you know, the algorithm liked you and, and off you went. That's, that's, you know, the hardest thing you had to deal with and all of that was negative comments. That's something a little bit different. And when you aren't forged by those same pressures, then I think it just creates a different type of figure than the one that we saw in the past. And I feel that intrinsically there's a way that subconsciously everyone can sort of connect with that. This, this is also, by the way, which to end to his credit, by the way, when Logan Paul goes into wrestling, he usually plays a heel or a villain type character. And so the audience loves to hate on him and, and fair play for that for sure. But. Right. Everyone realizes that he came up in a very produced, managed sort of way.
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Raw Egg Nationalist
Yeah, well, I think, you know, there's a saying, isn't that iron sharpens iron. And I think, yes. You know, I mean, can you imagine what it must have been like in the good old, bad old days of the 1970s? You know, you're, you're Terry, you know, you're Terry Bollier and, and you're just starting out in, in wrestling. You've decided to give up a potential career in music because you want to be a wrestler because you're six foot eight. 300. £300. And you got the, you got the size and the strength for it, but you have to start from nowhere. All you've, all you've got is your size and strength. And it isn't that impressive because there are a lot of big guys and there are a lot of muscular guys. And so what do you do? You've got to do all of these regional shows, hostile crowds, people who don't like you, who don't know who you are. You have to tell them who you are. You have to tell them why they should take you seriously, why they should notice you, why they should like you, why they should want to see you again. And that's, you know, I mean, that's tough. That requires grit, that requires determination, that requires sacrifice. You know, I mean, these are, we were talking about archetypes, you know, these are archetypal virtues. These are the archetypal elements of success. And yeah, not to rag on.
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Jack Posobiec
And by the way, an extreme willingness to take risk. Extreme willingness to take risk. Yeah. I mean, this decision, by the way, destroyed himself physically. Absolutely destroyed himself. And he was more than willing to do it every night.
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Raw Egg Nationalist
Yeah, well, look, I mean, it's easy to forget as well. Wrestlers have died in the ring. It wasn't that long ago. It was what, 19, 1999 when Owen Hart died. You know, that was on live television. That was in front of a massive audience. You know, I mean, these, these people have taken huge risk. People like Karl Kogan taking huge risks with their bodies doing these, you know, I mean, the leg dropper basically destroyed his spine, but he did it. He chose to do it. It became his signature move. He had to keep doing it and he did keep doing it and he didn't grumble. So there's. Yeah, I mean, I think that this, the kind of selection methods that produced these superstars, whether we're talking about Ozzy Osbourne, Tony Iommi or Hulk Hogan, they were very, very different. They were much closer to the earth. They were much closer to the people. It involved going out among the people, whether you're wrestling or whether you're playing gigs. And actually, you know, you have to connect with the people. You have to build a following organically, painstakingly, over time by going to different places and showing yourself and showing what you can do. Whereas, you know, you get caught by the algorithm today on, on YouTube or tick tock and, and you can be a massive star in, in no time. And it doesn't actually require the, the, the dedication or the sacrifice or any of the kind of virtues that it would require to succeed otherwise. Which isn't to, to take away from the success of someone like Logan Paul. He has been very canny. He's. He's monetized his fame very well. You know, he's, he knows his audience, he knows how to appeal to them, but it is just a very different thing. And I think it is telling. If you look at something like the wwe, they haven't had a Superstar like Hulk Hogan, the Rock, Stone Cold Steve Austin in 20 odd years, really. And it's because for the most part they've moved away, I think, from the kind of model that they followed so successfully for decades and decades for creating superstars, for separating.
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Jack Posobiec
No, I was, I was talking to, I was talking to someone about this prior to the show here and who has some, some background in wwe and I said you know, I said, you know, you know, the problem is they keep adding too many dimensions. It's this post modernist where everything has to be deconstructed and someone needs a, needs to be three dimensional and four dimensional and, and I said no one dimension. You need one dimensional archetypal characters. This is who Hulk Hogan is, period, Full stop. Go watch an episode of GI Joe, which of course had Sergeant Slaughter in it. Right. You know, one dimensional characters, that's someone's a villain there. Even when Hulk Hogan was good, he was, he was Hulk Hogan and he loved the flag and he trained, prayed and ate his vitamins. When he turned bad, he was Hollywood Hogan. He was pure evil right here, right? Just, just a bad dude who, who hate and he turns heel has to fight the court again. It's very simple. And people overthink things, they overcomplicate things. They want to deconstruct things because they've completely lost touch with reality. And when you lose that touch with reality and the things we're talking about are absolutely applicable to politics as well. That's why Donald Trump is successful, because he has the pulse of the common man. He has the pulse of the average individual. That's why he was able to defeat, by the way, the two greatest political dynasties, the Clintons and the Bushes. Everyone thought they would rule, and Trump easily defeated them both. And that's all it really takes. And if you have the right skills, the right ability, you form this connection and the system. And here's the key, right? You still have to beat the system because the system is set up to prevent anyone like that, or like a Donald Trump or a Hulk Hogan or an Ozzy, etc. From getting to where they are.
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Raw Egg Nationalist
Yeah, Abs, absolutely true. Absolutely.
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Jack Posobiec
Or wait, wait, I should add, or I should add a Sydney Sweeney.
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Raw Egg Nationalist
Yeah, well, yeah, quite. I mean, that's, yeah, that's a whole, that's a whole other story. But it's, but it's, but it's a similar, It's a similar. You reach similar conclusions when you look at that. You know, they don't.
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Jack Posobiec
We're coming up on our final end. You know, what should people look for? When you're out there? You're, you're, you're wondering, how can I do something about this? What can I, what can I do? And I would say just consider, Consider the content you consume. That's, that's what I would. Would sum it up as.
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Raw Egg Nationalist
Yeah, I think so. Yeah, I think so. I think that, yeah, the content you consume matters. We live in this algorithmic age, you are sending signals, very important signals by the content you consume. And actually, you know, it's the best way to tell if you, if, you know, if you talk about a company like WWE, if you don't like the WWE's content anymore, don't watch it. You know, if you want the WWE to be more like the WWF when it was the Attitude era, then maybe the best way to do that is not to watch their, their current content. But what we need to do as well, I think, is we need to encourage these companies and also, you know, political parties. We need to society more broadly, employers, to create pathways for people like, you know, for real superstars to succeed, for real talent to be recognized and fostered, and to allow these people actually to ascend to the heights that they should ascend.
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Jack Posobiec
Sydney's Sweeney is proof they're still out there. And by the way, Sydney Sweeney, who comes from rural Northwest America, folks, go follow him. He is the Raw egg Nationalist. Baby Gravy 9. You can find him out everywhere. Ladies and gentlemen, as always, you have my permission to lay.