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Poso
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Boone
Daily Brief Ladies and gentlemen, this is the segment where we start talking about alternative media. And the reason I get the the blessed opportunity to kind of monitor, to moderate this section is because I've written three books with General Flynn on fifth generation warfare. When we talk about manipulation, we talk about influence. We talk about all the things that come into this cognitive battle space. And each one of the people up here has had something has been affected in that space, whether it's a politician, whether it's a 30 year journalist, or whether it's an intelligence officer that's come into the media. The game has changed when it comes to media. Legacy media is kind of dying out and we've got the alternative media right now. But we have to ask ourselves, what is the alternative media? Because one person will say it's one thing, another person will say it's another thing. So I want to lead off with that question, starting with Congressman Crane first. First of all, tell us a little bit about yourself, how the alternative media helped you in your campaign because it was very significant. And what do you consider alternative media?
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Congressman Crane
Yeah, well, thank you for allowing me to be here and thank you guys for coming. You know, it's interesting being up on a panel with these two guys. They're definitely the subject matter experts when it comes to media. You know, they create media. They've done a good job, I think, alerting Americans to so many things that the mainstream does not cover. And as somebody who comes from the a service background and a business background and was watching the direction of where this country was headed and decided to try and get up here to do everything I could to, you know, keep us as free and prosperous as I grew up and many of us have been blessed to grow up with here, I've really been able to benefit from alternative media and some of what these guys do first in running for office. Many of you guys know that there is an establishment up here. You know, often we refer to it as the uni unit party. They don't typically like guys like me. And so they try and do everything in the world to keep us from getting up here because they know or they fear that we're not going to play ball when we get here. And so just getting in, you know, was difficult, especially in my race. We were taking on an incumbent Democrat.
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Boone
Right.
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Congressman Crane
And unlike a lot of candidates who, you know, want to just get on Fox News all the time, I was doing podcasts and, you know, multiple, you know, countless interviews with alternative media. And that really helped me get my message across to the people. It helped me raise the resources to get up here. And I would say one of the other great things about it is it's allowed me in many ways to stay ahead of the curve. Because when you follow guys like these and like a War Room show with Steve Bannon, I feel like you're always two, three, four, five, six months ahead of everybody else. Because the mainstream media tends to look at. They're almost like, you know, sitting on a panel and they're looking at the other mainstream shows and like, well, are they going to cover it? Are they going to cover this? Is this too dicey? Well, then we're not going to cover it. And they often have a lot of, I think, self imposed reflections because of some of their sponsors and donors. And so it's been a blessing for many of us that are kind of outsiders.
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Boone
Follow up question on that. Do you think you could have become a congressman without the alternative media?
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Congressman Crane
Not in this environment, no.
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Boone
No, no. Good. Laura, you've been in the media game for about 30 years now, maybe a little bit more. You've seen the media change. You started out in the legacy media. You were a leader there, leading shows, number top shows. Now you've slid over to alternative media. What changed? What changed for you and how would you define alternative media?
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Laura Logan
I object to the term sliding slid. It was more like a crash and burn nuclear explosion. I would say I don't slide anywhere, Boone. I announced my presence with authority. Okay, so. Well, you know, I would say what changed wasn't me, actually. I did everything the same way I had always done it. I believed we were a force for truth and for good in the world. And I worked with many great journalists. And so it's a little bit different for me when you're on the outside, outside of that. Like, I would meet people like you all the time, especially on the battlefield, and they would tell me how biased the media was. And I was perplexed because nobody told me what to put in my stories. But it's what you talk about, that kind of self censorship. And it's born out of two things in the mainstream media. One, it's just, it's born out of the fact that it's a, it's a recruiting ground for people who think and see the world the same way. So most people within the mainstream media, I would say before the election of Donald Trump, if we can look at the media in terms of pre2016 and post 2016, I think that will help you understand the shift in the media environment. Because we went from a place where there was an intrinsic bias born out of accepted narratives that were propagated really within the education system. So long before the media became compliant, the education system was overtaken. And that really reaches right back to the Franklin School, Pre World War II, when Columbia University made an alliance with Marxists out of Germany and the takeover the Department of Education. And these things can't be overstated how important they are because you literally just don't encounter anyone who thinks a different way within that media space. And if you do, if there are journalists who maybe are pro life or something, you just, they don't speak up because they're outnumbered. And you just know that those ideas are not going to be accepted. Then when you look at the fact that we instituted systems of punishment, right? So organizations like Media Matters for America, I don't understand why those people are still breathing. I really don't. I mean, they're oxygen thieves of the worst kind. These people seek to destroy. They wake up every day and their mission is to destroy. And they're evil and they're well funded and they're well connected. So when you have organizations like that, they work with the media organizations and they create an environment in which truth and integrity is punished and deception and cowardice is rewarded. So journalists self select on their stories and they do. And so for, you know, for me what happened is I followed the story, I followed the truth. And when it came up against politics, I didn't think for a moment that anyone would put politics over the truth. That's how naive I was. And I was, you know, the future of the of sickness. 60 Minutes, the greatest news program in the world in history. And I was the chief foreign correspondent. And I. And we just did and we worked hard. That's the other thing for people to understand is when you look at the media and you criticize everything, what's being lost is real profound institutional knowledge and hard work in the craft of journalism. What has led us here is a Lack of moral courage, but also complicity. At this point, the media are co conspirators in this seditious conspiracy to overthrow the government of the United States and an attack on this country in the most profound way. You can only put Adam Schiff on TV so many times before you recognize that you're promoting a dishonest political agenda. So you can no longer defend that. You can't defend putting John Brennan on television. At this point, there's no defense of that. So I think it's very important to me for people to recognize when the media transitioned from self interest and just general moral cowardice and laziness to actually being co conspirators in. In treason and sedition.
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Boone
Thank you very much. Jack, I got a big question for you. Give her a round of applause, everybody. Jack, I've watched you, you know, from the beginning, you know, kind of come up this ladder. Here you come, come out of the Navy as an intelligence, from the intelligence community in the Navy. And I watch your style, okay? But for the audience here, I'd really like you to tell everybody how the, how your style from that intelligence community affects and shapes the media that you do, and how big of a factor is that in the strength of alternative media.
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Poso
Well, thank you. I appreciate that. And thanks again to General Flynn, the entire team, for putting this together, for having us on. I'll mention it because most people don't always know the backstory that when I was in Navy Intelligence, I was at one point assigned to the Defense Intelligence Agency. I was deployed to Guantanamo Bay, worked in the J2X interrogation cell down there in the human Operations center. And the director of the DIA at that time, all those years ago is sitting in the front row right here. That was General Flynn's, who I served under in the dia. So a lot of people don't realize how much of a backstory that so many of the people in this room have that through a completely precipitous series of events, have now ended up in this place. And so when you talk about the style, the style that I have is the style that I was trained on as first in intelligence. I was enlisted and then became later an officer. And I remember always being taught, be good, be brief, be gone, and have the bluff. Put the bottom line up front. Remember the bluff, General. So it's, it's. You've got to have that big headline. You know, you'd say headline in today's parlance, but it was, what's the so what? What is the so what? I could put up a briefing slide in front of you and walk you through all of the different net connections and all of the different background on any specific problem set, whether it be a terrorist cell, whether it be a Chinese Communist Party influence network, whatever it might be, smuggling, et cetera. But if I'm not giving you the so what right up front, then I'm wasting your time and I'm wasting everyone's time. And so when I bring my approach to, you know, whatever it is you call I do independent media, that. That's something that's always deeply ingrained in my mind. Be good, be brief, be gone, and be clear. If you're not speaking with clarity, then you're not properly communicating because effective communication begins with that. And, you know, it's so interesting looking at, as you say, this journey from being inside the intelligence services to now in independent media. Took my children to the International Spy Museum, which is, you know, just a few blocks away here for the first time ever, this, this new one they constructed. And I said, and I, I think I said, wow, they should really call this place the Constructed Reality Museum, because that's what it is. It's, it's a museum not about the intelligence community. It's actually a museum created by the intelligence community to give you a vision of a constructed reality that has some resemblance to reality, but everything's just slightly off. And what do I mean by this? I mean this is the COVID story. This is the false reality that you would get if you read the pages of the Washington Post or the New York Times or if you're watching CNN and listening to npr. This is the reality where, of course, Russia hacked the election, where COVID 19 was a natural origin, which virus that came from a apparently a bat making out with a pangolin and ending up in some soup in a wet market. And if you say anything that's beyond Hunter Biden's laptop, again, Russian disinformation. All of these things which we know and all of us have learned are completely true and everyone knows the list. I could go on and on about these things, but when you walk into that constructed reality museum, you realize the amount of money and the amount of force and the amount of, of huge dollar bank accounts that are put into maintaining this illusion of a false reality, Recruiting people who are willing to go along with the false reality, as you encountered in mainstream media, because they don't actually push beyond the boundaries of that accepted, that accepted narrative, whatever the consensus bias is. Climate change was another example of this for a long time. You notice they don't even talk about that one anymore. And so, having been in the military and serving in places, Guantanamo Bay, for example, is a place that was completely lied about in the media. And I guarantee you, every single person in this room, with the probable exception of Tim Ballard, who just walked in, because that's a guy who knows the truth, you have a vision in your mind of a picture of these places that exists because the media painted it for you or Hollywood painted it for you, or it was an accepted narrative, a constructed reality that was implanted in your mind. And what did we see most recently? Dni Gabbard and Joe Kent was just here, or she was in the White House yesterday. And for the first time ever, we've seen someone actually totally shatter that veil from a position of power like she's done. This has never happened before in the history of the United States where the Director of National Intelligence has come out and for the first time told the truth about what actually happened. That in this instance, Russiagate was a domestic intelligence operation that was run on the American people and their president in conjunction with the entire mainstream media. And that's something that, of course, the media is doing everything they can to silence, because it's an indictment on their entire process.
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Congressman Crane
Excellent. Excellent.
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Boone
It's very hard for folks in the military, for folks in the military and the media to give up the microphone. I appreciate how you guys are passing it back and forth. Congressman Crane, also give him a round of applause. Serve the United States military several combat deployments as a Navy seal. And speaking of deployments and speaking of the military, we know intel drives maneuver. You're set in a position right now with our government where you get to see things, you get to hear things. We are doing this pivot to China thing, that's going to be happening here pretty soon. But while that's happening, what message do you have to the alternative media to not take their eyes off of any certain direction and be only focused on China or what else is happening out there that people need to make sure they don't forget about?
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Congressman Crane
Yeah, thank you for that question. I realize many of my friends and allies in the room are very focused on China, and they have very good reasons to do that. They are definitely a threat to the United States. And Jack and Laura can go into great detail on some of the reasons why. And I agree with them. They are. They are a definite threat to the United States. But one thing that I will say to anybody, everybody in this room, is don't take your eyes off of radical Islamists Okay. I've studied their theology, I've studied their eschatology, and I think they often get underrated for a few reasons. One of them is when we look at threats around the world, we can look at nation states, we look at their economies, we look at their resources, and we also look at their weaponry and their military capabilities. And that's an area where I think they often get overlooked because they, they don't rank high when it comes to a couple of those things, you know, and when you study their, when you study their theology, you know, and, you know, some of these young kids are being taught that if they are killed in the line of jihad, they'll go to heaven and get 70 virgins. You know, that's really dangerous. And when you compare it to some of the other nation states that we often rank high on that list. They're not fighting for the same reasons. They're not fighting because they believe that, you know, it's divine and that God will bless them, you know, for fighting infidels and, you know, toppling the West. So I think that it's important that we do not take our eyes off of radical Islam.
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Boone
And when you, when you, when you look at that list, you're saying some don't rank as high as others. Where are we at on the top of that list? That people should make sure they don't take their eye off with which, which country, which group, which organization, which terror cell, where at?
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Congressman Crane
Well, I think that if, if you look at it and you, you right now, one of the reasons that, another reason that they're often, I would say, underestimated is because they're spread out all over the place. Right. If you look at the Middle east, there's a lot of infighting. But if you look at what they want to do and re. Establish a caliphate, which I, I do believe in the future will happen. You know, it's, that's why I said radical Islam and jihadists because they, I do believe at some point they will be able to reunite, get past all of their differences. I could make a biblical case for it as well, but that this is one of the, this is one of the dangers I see is that I think is as we pivot and again, I understand the reasons why, but I think that, you know, there's going to be a focus taking off of radical Islam. And I think one of the other dangers to it is that the United States of America, because our military is so strong, our military is built to take on nation states, right? Not necessarily, necessarily Fight insurgencies. And so I think it's one of the reasons that radical Marxism, communism, and socialism have been so effective and so destructive here in the United States, because this isn't what, you know, our Department of Defense is built to do. Right. And. And that's one of the reasons, I think, that radical Islam, it will be such a big threat in the years to come.
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Boone
Outstanding. Thank you, sir.
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Laura Logan
Can I add to that?
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Boone
Please add to it.
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Laura Logan
I just. I want to put that in the context of the media. So I said the shift started in 2016. I should really have said that the shift became apparent in 2016, because if you actually look at Congressman Crane is 100% correct. But if you look at the playbook of radical Islamists, first of all, it's identical to the Marxist playbook in many respects. Unrestricted warfare is unrestricted warfare, which. Whether it's done by the Chinese or what we call radical Islamists. But radical Islam is a term that is in itself created to deceive, because having studied the Quran, you will know that it's not actually radical to fight for the restoration of the ummah, which is the Islamic people, and the sharia throughout the world. In fact, it's as mainstream as Islam gets to believe in that as they established. So it's not a radical idea. It might be groups that use radical tactics, but we're the ones who gave it that name. And that's where the role of the media comes in. And if you actually look at the term Islamophobia, you cannot date that term. Prior to the Obama administration, it didn't exist. It wasn't a concept. So this is why history for journalists matters. So what happens with the rise of independent media is you get a lot of people that can grab a microphone and can grow an audience, and if they make a deal with a social media company, they can get a big audience pretty quickly. They can come out of nowhere. I don't know. They can come out of the CIA like Sean Ryan, and they can be very popular very quickly, and they can stay there as long as somebody else decides to keep them there. But what is actually. What is it they're not doing? What are they not? We are students. Journalists are students, not experts. Any journalist presented to you as an expert is already lying to you because we're not experts. I can do a series for five years. I can cover nuclear energy, and I will never have the knowledge of a nuclear scientist who's truly an expert. So what we are supposed to be as students of history, students of Culture, students of modern popular governments, and who are the players of the time? We literally are students of everything. But journalists have stopped being that number one daily news. And immediate deadlines are the death of that kind of level of knowledge and investigation. But they're necessary. So it's important for journalists really to be able to transition beyond those things. Right? You can be a daily news journalist for a while and really get hard news skills or work for a news agency and have that instant hard news nose. But what you're supposed to build over time is context and knowledge, and that is supposed to be merged with principles. But what we have is journalists who are not curious. The reason you don't know the stories that Jack's telling you about is because our media lies by omission. So it's not just what they print that's not true, it's what they don't tell you. You get slices of the truth because the best propaganda is built on kernels of truth. When you make something up, it's very hard to keep it there because what happens, it's a lie that has no legs and it keeps collapsing on itself and you keep having to tell more lies. And as you do that, you create what, you create a trail of guilt, which is exactly where we are with Tulsi Gabbard today with what she's revealing. Because the lie of Russia collusion had constantly propped up and now that's crumbling and there's an evidence trail to that cover up. But what we as the, as journalists don't do is we're not curious about where does Islamophobia come from? Who created that term? Well, there's an organization called DC Leaks, which is like WikiLeaks. You can't find this on the Internet anymore. Even in the Wayback Machine there are people who can find it, but they're beyond my, my reach. But what did they leak? The playbook. When the Open Society Foundations created the playbook for the creation of the term Islamophobia, exactly how they would define it, how they would proliferate it, what they would do to people who didn't adhere to it. So they created this, what, as a cover because after 9 11, Americans were focused on the threat of Islamic conquest, not the threat of the average Muslim person who, you know, I'm not going to play that game. I'm not going to fall into that trap of information warfare that's created that if you talk about the Islamic conquest of our society, you're now prejudiced against the average Muslim person. It's Nonsense. I've lived for many years. Five years in Iraq, years in Afghanistan. Don't tell me about Islamophobia. I don't care about that. What I want to show you is that this is a made up term that is a tool of control and intimidation. And it has operated as a cover while the Islamic conquest has moved not just across Africa, Nigeria, Congo, Ethiopia, across the Sohel villages that we're now supposed to believe were always Muslim. That where the Africans themselves are like, where the hell did this come from? This is not our history. We don't wear a bias here, but, but we don't. We're so uncurious as media about the origins of everything, we ignore it. And it's burned all its way across Europe and it's right at our front door. It's in Canada, it's beyond that border, it's all over. And it's no, it's the same tactics, it's the same playbook, except that Islam is not a religion. We allow it to have the First Amendment protection because we don't know anything about Islam. And it's actually I learned this from jihadis themselves at the Finsbury Mosque in London, which is one of the main command and control centers for the conquest of the UK and Europe. And those guys laughed at me when I said Islam is a religion. They said it's not. It's a civilization. And when you understand that, you understand that two civilizations cannot coexist, especially one under which the implementation of Sharia is the only foundation for it to be legitimate in the eyes of Allah. So you cannot have the Constitution of the United States of America and Sharia law coexist. There's one law of the land and if you don't uphold that, if you're, you're intimidated into silence and manipulated by a compliance media that are both incurious and dishonest, profoundly dishonest. And then a weapon to punish people who speak up. That's what we allow our media to be. So if you still in this room are sitting here and you reference everything through the New York Times or the Washington Post or the Wall Street Journal, you're part of the problem.
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Boone
Well, follow up question for Laura. Just real quick, give her a round of applause. Excellent. You spoke about the time and how much time you have spent overseas in foreign countries. Okay, the Middle east. How much time have you spent in the Middle East? And when we talk about media, what was the propaganda you saw that was for them against us? And how does it compare to some of the things you're seeing in the.
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Laura Logan
United States now, I think, Boone, for me, it's more about understanding that the obligations that Islamic people feel they live under, if they are faithful to the teachings. There's. First of all, there's the teachings. There's what comes from Allah, what comes from God, but then there's what comes from the Prophet Muhammad and how he interpreted those things. So many of the things today that are. That are very. That are completely against American culture and principles and ideas come from the interpretations from the Prophet Muhammad, which come from a man, you know, which is. For example, they believe that every human being on earth has Islamic DNA, that we are born Muslim and we don't convert to Islam, we revert to our original. And that's why the Christians are such an affront to Islam, because we turned away. Who are the people of the book, the Jews, the Christians, and the Muslims, right? So when ISIS rages across Mosul and ancient Mesopotamia, now northern Iraq, and they give Christians the opportunity to revert, right, and play the jazia, but the Yazidis and the Kurds, you know, they are enslaved, right? Because actually, Muhammad believed that Jesus was a slave, in fact, was his slave. Jesus was. Was his slave. And so there's. It's understanding that that ideology puts an obligation. So when I was with Afghan commanders during the war with the Taliban, and I lived alone on the front line as a woman, and when, at the time when The Taliban controlled 95% of the country, and there were many commanders that I would meet with reg, because I would go everywhere with Afghan soldiers, and one of the. Every day, they would beg me, can the United States please help us, please? Begging. Sometimes tears rolling down their cheeks, all the stories of torture. I mean, the people around me, they hadn't been able to go to Kabul to see their families for eight years. Eight years. And so when Kabul finally fell, and by the way, there was not an American invasion, America provided the planes and the intelligence and the support from clandestine warriors and special operations, but the Afghans did the fighting, and they don't consider it an invas. Why does that matter? Because the media still talks about the invasion of Afghanistan, even though it's not actually accurate. But when it finally happened and the US Helped the Afghans defeat their enemies, I said, you know, America is already talking about war in Iraq and going against Saddam Hussein now that they've helped you. And I'm standing in front of a container where these Taliban had kept these guys prisoner. And we liberated the container, and these people were emaciated. And dying. There were tears. I mean, they were reunited with their brethren. They were saved. This was a very emotional moment. And from the bottom of their heart, they're thanking America. So I said, okay, well, would you consider going to help America? Since America helped you defeat your enemy, can you help America defeat its enemy in Iraq? And I knew the answer, but I wanted it on camera. They said, no, we can't do that. I said, but why not? They said, well, because Saddam is Muslim. So, and, and under the Quran, you cannot, as a Muslim, assist a non Muslim in defeating someone who is one of your own. So it's a. It's not, you know, if you want to really want to talk. The serious propaganda is the propaganda that teaches that Jewish people are worthless, that they're not human. That's the real propaganda.
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Boone
It reminds me of Iraq when, you know, we go into Iraq with Tad Al Sar. He becomes proliferated. This is Kirk and Saddam killed Muktada's father. We capture Saddam, he gets hung and Muktata hates us. We just avenged your father and you still hate us.
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Laura Logan
Yeah, but we. He's a product of Iran.
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Boone
Absolutely.
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Laura Logan
So, and, and we did what Iran wanted. We got rid of the enemy that they couldn't get rid of themselves. They lost a million people from 1980-88.
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Boone
Oh, this conversation could go on a long time. But we got to keep going over to Jack, give her a round of applause. This. You ever get that chance and watch Going Rogue with. With Laura Logan? It's a great show. You get a lot more of this kind of stuff, and just very, very exquisite. Jack, General Flynn always talks about digital soldiers. Digital soldiers. A lot of that is your audience. What is the next leg? What is the next thing that these digital soldiers, where should they be looking to turn? What should they be looking to do in this future where legacy, legacy media is dying out? Digital soldiers, alternative media is rising. What does the future look like for our digital soldiers?
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Poso
That's a, That's a great question. And, and thanks so much to Lara for your testimony just there. But the, the question, the issue with the. Anyone who's involved in the online freedom movement, the online patriot movements, and this goes for anywhere in the world, is not just the United States, but anywhere in the west where they're fighting this. Obviously in the eu, there's so many issues with censorship there. So censorship has, by and large failed due to the success of Donald Trump and the. And the ability to move quicker with our systems and our distribution networks than ever. And a Huge shout out, of course, to Elon Musk, because him purchasing X when he did with $44 billion of his own money provided that platform for truth to be able to be received. And I remember always saying, you know, even having been a formerly, you know, anonymous user and on of Twitter myself, that we've never asked for any special favors. We just want a level playing field where any where then as he's digging under the hood of how Twitter was set up before in the code you would find that certain keywords and certain key phrases would get you down, listed would get you shadow banned, which is completely real. That's another one of those conspiracy theories we were told about. Every one of those things we were told was a conspiracy theory that became true in all. And if you accumulated too many of these words or the volume of the words in a certain period of time, well then your tweets, your posts would not be seen by anyone. So they wouldn't take you down. You wouldn't even know that you were screaming into the void, but they would have done that to you. So they realized that hasn't worked because Elon has tripped that off. And I applaud him for it. I absolutely do. So the next threat is this. We are going to run into a threat of over information. And what do I mean by over information? I mean if you can't censor information, then what's the best way to combat that? Mal information, fake information. And the large majority of this is going to come about because of AI. So you will see AI generated. And I see it all day, I see it every single day, where there are not only AI generated posts and comments and sentiments, but entire AI generated bot networks, where the old bot networks that use to be paid by the likes of Media Matters and David Brock and American Bridge and all these different organizations, they used to be very clumsy and very, very clunky and very obvious when you were, when you were dealing with a bot network, because they all talked the same, they all sounded the same. Now what they're doing is people will go out and purchase batch accounts, aged accounts. So usually you could look to. One of the easiest checks on a fake account would be to say, okay, well this account was created five days ago or one week ago. So it's, you know, it's probably not real. What they'll do now is because the Internet and social media have been around for a decade plus Facebook is a decade this year, I think. And so they'll buy an aged account of someone who is a former user and that the account is sitting out there and there's a whole black market for these. So bad actors, intelligence agents, terrorist networks, whoever you want will go out and purchase these things. And not just political, they can use it for anything. I just know more from the political side and the news side. They'll purchase these networks, then you can flash change all of them to make it look like a certain audience. Audience. So I could say I want these people to look like liberals, I want these people to look like conservatives, I want them to look like Trump supporters, veterans, take your pick. And, or perhaps some underserved group in the Middle east and suddenly we're going to make it look like they flooded Twitter to put out some message that then if you're just using Twitter like myself, or you're sitting member of Congress or you're in the Senate, you're scrolling Twitter, you're saying, oh my gosh, look at all these people I've got to react to. Those people don't even exist. Those people exist at the push of a button. And now using ChatGPT or sometimes even rock natively, you can generate responses, conversations with people who don't actually exist in reality. And I see this becoming a major threat because if you are someone, let's say you're someone who's an independent media or let's say, you know, for somehow there's a, there's an actual truthful, truth seeking journalist who's out there, wants to be an honest journalist. You're going out trying to understand sentiment in the world and yet you have no idea how to tell whether or not someone is real or the person that you're interacting with. A complete phantom that only exists as a deus ex machina creation of the system. And I really see that being a huge.
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Boone
So what you're saying is the whole thing might just be the matrix.
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Poso
They're creating the matrix before our eyes.
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Boone
And on that note, ladies and gentlemen, give a round of applause to the entire panel. Fantastic job.