THOUGHTCRIME Ep. 104 — Post-Election Palette Cleanser + Tucker/Fuentes Interview Reaction

Summary

Human Events Daily with Jack Posobiec

Episode: THOUGHTCRIME Ep. 104 — Post-Election Palette Cleanser + Tucker/Fuentes Interview Reaction

Date: November 8, 2025

Overview

This episode of Human Events Daily’s “Thursday Night ThoughtCrime” brings together the entire “OG crew” — Jack (the Host), Blake, Tyler, and Andrew — for a notably spirited, in-studio discussion. With the post-election atmosphere as backdrop, the panel embarks on a "palette cleanser," dissecting recent election results, analyzing the cultural and political fallout, and providing a candid, sometimes satirical group reaction to the recent Tucker Carlson interview with Nick Fuentes. The team also delivers sharp social critiques: from debates over the “built by immigrants” narrative, to EBT TikTok culture, to the state of American civic and urban identity. The episode threads cultural pessimism with humor and the warmth of shared history, serving up raw, “ThoughtCrime” perspectives.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Post-Election Decompression & Crew Banter

• Reunion and Local Culture: The crew opens by reconnecting and joking about "Mischief Night," a localized tradition on the East Coast, musing on regional cultural identities and eccentricities.
  • Notable quote: "Apparently nobody knows what Mischief Night is if you’re not from, like, the Philadelphia area." — Host (01:18)
• Light-hearted East Coast/West Coast and ethnic roots banter sets the relaxed, irreverent tone.

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2. Election Results & Immigrant Identity Politics

• Mamdani’s Victory Speech & “Third Worldism” ([04:30–08:50])

  • The panel reacts to the viral celebration music at Mamdani's victory speech, interpreting it as symbolic of demographic/cultural "replacement."
  • Blake argues that Zoran Mamdani’s victory represents “the literal avatar of the globalized gimmick” — a framing of the new urban left that foregrounds grievance and ethnic fusionism.
    • Quote (Blake, 05:25): "Mamdani himself does represent...this global ideology. It spans ethnic groups, national origin, even sub-political ideologies."
  • Discussion on Mamdani's speech fusing various ethnic groups into a narrative of coalition against "the West" or "whiteness."
  • AOC Parallels: Comparison drawn to Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez's rhetoric around uniting minorities to "fight whitey." (07:13)

• Was NYC Built by Immigrants? ([09:13–16:00])

  • A recurring thread disputes the “city built by immigrants” myth, distinguishing between settlers, colonists, and more recent immigrant waves.
  • The hosts satirically refer to "immigrant pilots" like Mohamed Atta to highlight the dangers of broad-stroke narratives.
    • Quote (Host, 10:14): "Like great New York immigrants like Mohamed Atta."
  • Assimilation vs. Cultural Displacement:
    • Reflection on historical assimilation waves (Irish, Italians, Poles, Germans) and how massive social events (World Wars) forced assimilation, compared to current “gimmigrant” influxes.

• Cultural Fusion vs. Loss of Identity ([20:32–24:22])

  • Critique of the idea that multiculturalism is the only valuable American trait; pushback against "white people have no culture."
  • Quote (Blake, 21:53): "White people have no culture. No. Like, screw you...Europeans actually have a tremendous amount of culture. Americans have a tremendous amount of culture."
  • Examples given of American and European cultural contributions, including music, folklore, and food inventions (e.g., chicken tikka masala allegedly invented in Edinburgh).

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3. Urban Decay, Architecture, and White Flight

• The panel bemoans the destruction of architectural heritage and the effects of "white flight," blaming policy decisions from the 1960s onward.
  • Narrative of ethnic enclaves, blockbusting, and the replacement of tight-knit working-class communities.
  • Quote (Host, 26:41): “You go to Detroit and it’s just like, oh, there’s all these beautiful abandoned homes and all the people just had to leave, I guess.”

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4. Tucker Carlson’s Interview with Nick Fuentes: Reaction

([31:01–59:35])

a. Explaining the Controversy

• Tucker Carlson interviewed Nick Fuentes, a divisive internet figure with a history of antagonism toward Turning Point and Charlie Kirk.
• The right is divided: some demand ostracism of Tucker, others defend personal relationships and the need for engagement.

b. Panel’s Analysis & Criticism

• Lack of Pushback: Tucker criticized for not challenging Fuentes on controversial, personal, or hurtful statements (e.g., about Erica Kirk or expressed admiration for Stalin).
  • Quote (Blake, 39:07): “I’m a little disappointed Tucker didn’t bring that up or push him on that.”
  • Quote (Tyler, 42:23): "You want the Tucker who's like, 'Excuse me, Stalin?'"
• Ideological Concerns: Panel underscores the presence of "outright communists" in Fuentes’ camp, and the dangers of left-right horseshoe alliances.
• Nature of Interview: Tucker’s intentions speculated upon — possibly offering a platform to steer Fuentes toward moderation, or simply caught off-guard by the most outrageous rhetoric.
  • Quote (Andrew, 41:32): “I actually do buy that he was probably so caught off guard by that and his headspace was in another place entirely.”

c. Larger Issues: Friendship and Movement Unity

• The show wrestles openly with the tension between loyalty to the late Charlie Kirk, differing opinions, and the importance of coalition in the conservative movement.
• Quote (Andrew, 48:33): “If you put Charlie against a corner and you tried to back him up against a wall, he would defy any moral blackmail that you can imagine...”
• Defense of continuing relationships built on mutual respect, even with disagreement on big issues.
  • Quote (Tyler, 50:25): “You can honor Charlie’s life by honoring that relationship.”
• In-group infighting is portrayed as counterproductive "ankle biting" that distracts from election fights and coalition building.
  • Quote (Andrew, 53:28): “When the whole movement is fighting against itself, then we’re not going to win elections.”

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5. EBT and Welfare Culture: EBTs of TikTok

([59:46–79:00])

• Extended riff on viral TikTok content featuring SNAP/EBT recipients, with the panel mocking and decrying the "entitlement mentality" and the normalization of welfare as a lifestyle.
  • Social critique ranges from humorous (shopping cart theory) to serious (connection between breakdown of the family, absent fathers, and government dependency).
  • Quote (Blake, 80:24): "...if it is a habit to take advantage of every way of getting free money...then it can become a habit to exploit this...and to avoid more socially beneficial ways of making money. In the long run, you just have a worse society, a worse country."
• Examination of how benefit programs changed American psychology, erasing the old “shame” of dependency.

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6. Immigration, the Welfare State, and the “Blue Banana”

([80:24–86:36])

• The crew argues that mass immigration from societies without western notions of “honor” or “civic responsibility” undermines American systems designed for high-trust populations.
• Discussion of the “Blue Banana” — Western Europe’s innovation corridor — as an object lesson in why cultural and civilizational inheritance matters.
  • Quote (Andrew, 84:09): “Instead of having a respect for the primordial goo that makes up this country...we’ve just said, oh, screw it, we’re gonna open the doors…”

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments (with Timestamps)

• On Victory Speech Cultural Signaling:
  • "The song...just felt like a total...Blake’s right." — Andrew (05:01)
• On Multicultural Mythmaking:
  • "White people have no culture. No. Like, screw you..." — Blake (21:53)
• On Communal Displacement:
  • “There’s zero compassion on that cultural experience.” — Andrew (30:09)
• On the Tucker/Fuentes Interview:
  • “He kind of paints entire groups all the same way...he pushes him a bit on that. But at the same time, it’s Nick.” — Blake (37:36)
  • “I wish Tucker had pushed him...on what he said about Erica Kirk...” — Blake (39:07)
  • “You want the Tucker who’s like, ‘Excuse me, Stalin?’” — Host (42:23)
• On Conservatism and Friendship:
  • “You can honor Charlie’s life by honoring that relationship.” — Tyler (50:25)
• On Welfare Dependency:
  • “People have learned a lot about the true nature of...crime in America just from social media.” — Blake (60:30)
  • “One of the saddest things...is when they’re rolling out the Great Society...a lot of Americans would, out of pride, refuse to sign up for government programs.” — Blake (79:00)
• On Immigration and Societal Trust:
  • "There are parts of the world where what we would consider scamming...are not necessarily considered shameful at all." — Host (80:24)
  • “If you just keep importing people from parts of the world that have no care about that whatsoever, you’re just going to get the extended favela of India or like Brazil or whatever.” — Host (27:43)
• On Blue Banana/Societal Excellence:
  • “Innovation came from this country. And instead of having a respect for the primordial goo that makes up this country, the foundational elements...we’ve just said, oh screw it, we’re gonna open the doors and throw open the doors.” — Andrew (84:09)

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Key Timestamps for Important Segments

• [04:30] – Mamdani victory speech and music analysis
• [09:13] – Disputing “built by immigrants” narrative
• [20:32] – Multiculturalism, myths, and the culture/counterculture debate
• [26:41] – Urban decay, blockbusting, and white flight
• [31:01] – Tucker Carlson interview with Nick Fuentes: Context and setup
• [39:07] – Panel’s disappointment in missed opportunities for tough questions
• [48:33] – Reflections on Charlie Kirk’s stance and legacy
• [59:46] – EBTs of TikTok: Critique of welfare entitlement and social media
• [80:24] – Moral hazard, immigration, and breakdown of civic cohesion
• [84:09] – The “Blue Banana,” innovation, and self-inflicted decline

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Tone & Language

The episode maintains a direct, candid, at times satirical tone typical of “ThoughtCrime,” blending cultural fatalism with dark humor and camaraderie:

• Features sharp jabs at mainstream multicultural narratives
• Willingness to be internally critical of right-wing personalities and tactics
• Moments of warmth, respect, and seriousness in the memory of Charlie Kirk

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Conclusion

Episode 104 of "ThoughtCrime" delivers what it promises: an unfiltered, provocative roundtable in the wake of an exhausting political season. The hosts dissect events, reflect on historical and cultural narratives, and challenge both left and right orthodoxy. The group simultaneously critiques the current state of American civic life, mourns cultural losses, and underscores the need for honesty, coalition, and respect — even amid deep disagreement.

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For further highlights and the most unvarnished moments, see:

• [21:53] Blake’s passionate defense of European and American culture
• [39:07, 42:23] Dissection of Tucker/Fuentes interview and panel’s expectations
• [53:28] Andrew’s call for unity over infighting
• [79:00] Blake on welfare mentality and societal change

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(Theme: God Bless America or...with a classic Bollywood outro for “multicultural” flavor, per running joke.)

Transcript

[Blake]

From the age of Big Brother.

[Tyler]

If they want to get you, they'll get you. DNSA specifically targets the communications of everyone they're collecting.

[Host]

Your communications. All right. Well, ladies and gentlemen, welcome to Thursday night Thought Crime. What's up, guys? We have the. The OG Crew here for once.

[Andrew]

All in studio.

[Host]

All in Studio. Studio 1. 1. 1 on assignment. 1 on assignment, of course. But for once, it's the whole Thought Crime crew all together. This is. This is great. Blake, you. You were missed last week because we had a great. You know, we. We have a great lineup tonight. We had. We had.

[Andrew]

Or.

[Host]

No, you were here. You were here last week, and it was Tyler who's missed. Tyler who's missed.

[Tyler]

Oh, wait.

[Blake]

Yes.

[Tyler]

Yes.

[Host]

We did the Halloween debate. It was Tyler who was missed.

[Blake]

Yes.

[Tyler]

Yeah, I can't remember what happened.

[Host]

You were not here.

[Andrew]

Now I'm confused. Blake. Wait.

[Tyler]

I haven't seen Blake. I haven't seen Blake in like a month.

[Host]

Yeah.

[Tyler]

Yeah, but he was.

[Host]

Yeah, it was the two. I realized he was at the nunnery, but they kicked him out. Unfortunately.

[Andrew]

Not the Vatican.

[Tyler]

No, he was everywhere.

[Andrew]

Did you go to the Vatican?

[Tyler]

Oh, yeah. He was in the tunnels.

[Blake]

No, I've never been to the Vatican.

[Andrew]

He was in the tunnel.

[Host]

Tunnels. It's base. We'll go together. It's awesome. No, but Tyler. So we. We had a whole thing. We had a whole thing about how apparently nobody knows what Mischief Night is if you're not from, like, the Philadelphia area.

[Tyler]

So.

[Host]

Have you heard of Mischief Night?

[Tyler]

Yeah, of course. That's the east coast thing.

[Host]

Yeah, exactly. Thank you.

[Andrew]

But he's hurt like Devil's act like.

[Blake]

Quite a heavy duty thing.

[Tyler]

I know about it because lots of outright.

[Host]

You know about.

[Tyler]

Because your wife. I know about it because my wife's from New Jersey.

[Host]

There you go. Boom.

[Tyler]

And so Mischief Nights, like a thing.

[Host]

100%.

[Tyler]

Don't we. Don't we have another name for it?

[Andrew]

You're Devil's Night. You're an Arizonan and you're a proud Western boy, and you're going to call.

[Tyler]

It Night in Arizona. They didn't celebrate it, but I remember when I. When. Because I lived in New Jersey for two years. I met my wife in junior high.

[Host]

Yeah.

[Tyler]

And then we moved back to Arizona. But she's from New Jersey. But Mischief Night's like a big freaking deal.

[Andrew]

Like.

[Tyler]

Like you. Like, you take it seriously. It's like. It's more serious than Halloween.

[Host]

100%.

[Andrew]

And so what, we make movies about Mischief Night?

[Host]

No, it's. Well, that because that's. Because it's local.

[Andrew]

But what.

[Host]

I found out after the show that no one had told me this before, that apparently my grandmom used to participate in Mischief Night. So my aunt was telling us this story. She was like, oh, yeah. Like, we would all. Would all go down the. To the corn field, and we get a bunch of corn and we'd. We'd shuck it, and we get the kernels and set them up into, like, bags and throw them at the neighbor's houses up and down the block. And I'm like, Nana was doing.

[Andrew]

Wait, did you call her grandmom?

[Host]

No, no, I called her Nana.

[Andrew]

But is that, like, another east coast thing? Grand mom.

[Host]

I had one was grand mom and one was Nana.

[Tyler]

I just saw the map for this. This is crazy. I wish I could drop this for you guys.

[Host]

Well, apparently, this literally we talked about.

[Andrew]

Last show, that exact map last week.

[Host]

Oh, you did the whole conversation.

[Tyler]

I missed the map.

[Andrew]

Hold on. We have to go through. So we're going to get to some seriously spicy topics today, but we're going to start with EBT of Tick tock. Then we're going to get into Nicki.

[Host]

No, we're starting. We're starting. No, we got to start with. We got to start with Bollywood. Did Bollywood.

[Andrew]

Oh, Bollywood. Okay, so then. But we are going to talk about Tucker and then talk about Tucker, because he's been in.

[Host]

He's been in the conversation, and everybody's asking us, well, what are you. What about Tucker? What are your thoughts on Tucker? And, you know, it was like we had an election. All right, we're going to focus on the election.

[Andrew]

Yep.

[Host]

But we have thoughts. And this is thought crime, so you're going to hear them.

[Andrew]

All right, so then we're also going to talk about hijabs or bikini or burkini. Burkini. Yeah. And we're going to talk about Mom, Donnie built nyc. All this and more. All right, so let's get us started on the first topic.

[Host]

All right, so let's just start with the clip because. So Mamdani wins on. On Tuesday night. And then that speech, which I know we all watched, I actually did watch it live, but there was something at the very end of his speech that happened. Play clip 335 ye. This is not overlooked.

[Blake]

For the record, people are asking me.

[Host]

If this is real. No, this is 100 real. Yeah, 100 real. Can we hit the song, guys? Hit the song.

[Blake]

Apparently a song from a 2004 Bollywood movie.

[Host]

There we go.

[Andrew]

It's Blake I feel like this is the. The Tyler best.

[Host]

What could be more American than this?

[Tyler]

I have no association with this. I have the same amount of association with this as most of America does with mischief.

[Andrew]

Yeah, exactly. So. But Blake, I feel like you, you've been making a lot of points about the third worldism of it, all. Right. Like how Zoran's actual fundamental ideology is a antagonism towards the west and antagonism towards whiteness, Europeanness, whatever you want to call it. And this song just felt like a total. I, I heard it. I was like, Blake's right. Yeah.

[Blake]

Which is funny because like the song is whatever. It's like some Bollywood thing.

[Andrew]

No, but it's very much.

[Blake]

It very much is that Mamdani himself does represent this. Like, how to put. I can't. I can't think.

[Host]

Because it's like mind, he's the literal avatar of. Of the gimmicks.

[Blake]

Yeah, yeah, it's like the gimmick. It's that it's sort of this global ideology. It spans ethnic groups, it spans national origin to some extent. Even spans like a lot of different sub political ideologies. It kind of. It really is like a line globalized.

[Host]

So you were talking, you've been talking about that. We've been talking about it pretty much the entire campaign. And that Charlie Obvious talked about it many times. And this is what was so interesting was Zorin Mandami talked about it when he got on stage in. And there were a lot of people, Van Jones included, who said, wow, this seems like a different Zoram Mandani. It seems like he went full mask off. And it's like, Van, you should just, you should just listen to us. Andrew. I know you guys have been chatting a little bit.

[Blake]

Yeah.

[Host]

It's like you guys should literally just listen to us because we called it. And then he gets up there and he starts talking about the. Was it the Ethiopian auntie and the Bengali, the Mexican line cooks and the abuelas and the, the taxi driver? And it's like, no, that's literally what the right has been saying the entire time that he was going to do the entire time. And it was angry, it was bitter, it was resentful, and it was just grievance politics for specific groups of people targeted against other groups.

[Andrew]

Well, you know, it's funny, AOC did a similar thing where she rattled off all these like minority groups. She happened to include, I think Irish and Italians. But it was like, it's complete fusionism. It's complete. It's complete Intersect. It's, it's. Let's unite. The world's marginalized, as they would say, to fight whitey. That's essentially how I interpret.

[Host]

Is it true, by the way, that are all forks now banned in New York City? Has that gone through or does that wait until January?

[Tyler]

Well, while we talk about it too, don't forget that the new lieutenant governor of Virginia is also a Indian descent Muslim as well. First statewide elected official ever.

[Host]

Female again, first, first.

[Tyler]

First Muslim woman ever elected in the US for statewide office.

[Andrew]

Where was this? Virginia for Virginia, by the way? I want to play this clip from Gazala. Hashtag, it's relevant. Play cut to 75.

[EBT TikTok Narrator]

My family is back home in Kenya and how I see how things are going on, like with families being separated as a human being, as a mother, separating families, especially children from their mothers or fathers. I don't believe in that. So that made me come out and also come and vote.

[Andrew]

Okay, so she votes Democrats. We have an immigrant. What?

[Host]

That was Jersey. Excuse me, that was Virginia.

[Andrew]

Virginia. Yes. Voted for Virginia Democrat candidate Abigail Spamberger. So she votes for a Democrat because she's an immigrant from. She's a Muslim immigrant from Kenya who doesn't like our immigration policies. So then she votes for the Democrat.

[Host]

And let's, let's get in here because this, this is kind of what it all comes down to. Play Clip 274. New York will remain a city of immigrants. A city built by immigrants, powered by immigrants. And as of tonight, led by an immigrant. So this is the part that we, we need to get into. And this is this of all the things here, because it's, It's a city of immigrants. Agreed. Powered by immigrants, at least today.

[Blake]

Agree.

[Host]

But was New York City built by immigrants? Wait, do we have that picture of the famous, the workers on the side, the skyscraper building, New York.

[Andrew]

They look like exactly like.

[Host]

They looked exactly these, that they, these are the type of guys that are listening to that music that I want to put that picture up with that music playing because it's like. And Blake, like, just, just walk me through this. Was New York City built by immigrants in the way that he's referring?

[Blake]

I mean, the Freedom Tower kind of was.

[Andrew]

Man.

[Host]

Are you, Are you talking about. Whoa. Are you talking about one World Trade Center?

[Blake]

Are you talking about that building wouldn't exist.

[Host]

Are you talking about the immigrant pilots?

[Blake]

Yeah, yeah, immigrant pilots.

[Host]

The immigrant pilots of New York City.

[Blake]

Yeah. I think, you know, we have to, we have to include all possible, you know, immigrant sources, all the immigrant stories.

[Host]

Of, hey, we're just telling immigrant stories. We're listening to immigrant voices like. Like. Like great New York immigrants like Muhammad Atta.

[Tyler]

Yeah.

[Host]

Wow.

[Blake]

Who was approved for flight school after he. After he died.

[Host]

Yeah. One flight. Hey. Only one flight. But it went down in history.

[Blake]

Yes, exactly. He might be. In terms of time spent piloting a plane to infamy, he might be the most successful pilot of all time.

[Andrew]

Jeez. You know, I just. Is that for you or for Mohamed Atta? That. So I find his speech really, really infuriating. We have let in so many immigrants, and New York City has been the recipient of so many immigrants that it no longer. We don't control it. Americans do not control it. And he's just. He's just spiking the football like a total jerk.

[Host]

But we do.

[Tyler]

I want to know how many illegals voted in this election.

[Blake]

Probably not, to be honest.

[Host]

Well, New Jersey, by the way, Blake's.

[Tyler]

Opinion is like, none. Mine is probably like, you know, percentage. You know, like the Madison Square Garden full. I don't know. Somewhere it's. It's somewhere in between that.

[Blake]

I don't know. I just don't. I just don't think it's going to be that many. And even if it wasn't, how many?

[Tyler]

If you had a guess, what about how many?

[Host]

And by the way, not just illegals, but non citizens.

[Andrew]

Yeah.

[Tyler]

Not non citizens and illegals.

[Host]

So if you're. So visas, green cards.

[Tyler]

That's fair. Fair.

[Host]

I. I should have expanded out to all that.

[Tyler]

That's what I meant. Yes, Non citizens. Yeah.

[Blake]

I don't know. Maybe a few hundred. You think?

[Tyler]

If only a few hundred in the entire city of New York voted for.

[Blake]

Mamdani, I mean, why are they gonna wanna, like, conceivably take that risk just so they can vote for Mamdani?

[Tyler]

Because they don't care. They don't care. They've been told that they're totally fine. Plus voting for Mamdani.

[Blake]

They're not gonna want the administration to come in and potentially arrest them for that.

[Tyler]

That's the reason why they voted. That's the reason why they voted.

[Blake]

The thing about it is a lot of illegal immigrants just don't even care about US Elections. That's a big thing about them. Like, even, you know, people who just are here from foreign countries very briefly, don't. There's not invested in American politics for the most part.

[Tyler]

I feel like. I feel like this is a great task for the civil Rights division at the DOJ. 100% to identify I think, yeah.

[Blake]

I mean, that's what you can do. While we're talking about Bollywood, send in the DOJ and feel free to indict every single person who illegally voted. Because who voted is a public record.

[Tyler]

I think Harmeet Dhillon is the, is the right woman for the job. She should move forward on identifying how many?

[Blake]

100%. We should make everyone who votes illegally. We should indict and arrest everyone who votes illegally.

[Andrew]

Right.

[Blake]

Especially because they're the sort of community that, you know, when you go after James Comey, James Comey is going to be able to have like a ton of lawyers and he's ready to like fight a big legal throwdown. But if, if you're correct and thousands of people cast illegal ballots, you can totally indict a huge number of them. And it's both expensive to try to defend all of them. And it will like put the fear of God in these immigrant communities who mostly like.

[Tyler]

The campaign of that would be huge. The PR campaign.

[Blake]

Yeah.

[Tyler]

Would be like, don't do this. And, and again, even if it's hundreds to your point, which is like you're in like the, the most conservative position on that.

[Andrew]

Right.

[Tyler]

Probably not like conservative big C, but like little C. Yeah. Is that it's hundreds, hundreds of people getting in big trouble for this is a big deal.

[Blake]

So I would, I would say go ahead and do that if that's the case. But I don't. I get. I guess I get annoyed because it's often a sort of automatic take from the right that they just assume this is happening. And I would just say if it is that obvious, you can't assume.

[Tyler]

Well, not the automatic take from the right is that it's enough to flip the election. I agree with their sentiment. Probably not this election, not enough to flip this election. But how many down ballot races does this type of thing end up impacting in other elections?

[Host]

We get. Before we get too far off topic to. Yes, investigate it. But I do want to. I do want to get back on topic a little bit. And guys, I want to throw a picture. And Andrew, I want to get your sense of this. Throw a picture. 3, 3, 7. These are the people.

[Andrew]

The studio loves this. Yeah.

[Host]

These are the guys who build America. And no, they weren't listening to this type of music.

[Andrew]

They might have been immigrants. Certainly they might have been.

[Host]

And certainly the. Here's, here's what I want to explain though. They were certainly the people who built New York City and the skyscrapers. There is a fundamental difference between the people who came as settlers, the people who came as colonists, and the people who are coming, to use Blake's phrase, as the gimmick rins, as the people who are coming to take from the society that Mamdani specifically stated was and is his political agenda, which will be the next political agenda going forward. And I'm not going to. By the way, if. If New York wasn't built by European settlers, why is it called that? Why is it called that? Yeah, like it's literally called New York, which. And Blake, I believe York at one point was the capital of England.

[Blake]

It was the capital of one of the kingdoms, I think. Northumbria.

[Tyler]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Host]

So but like London wasn't always the capital.

[Blake]

It got sacked by the Vikings and they took the king and they carved a blood eagle on him.

[Host]

That was the Normans, right?

[Blake]

No, no, the Vikings did. This is way back in like Viking age.

[Andrew]

Okay, so the Norman conquest wasn't until 1066.

[Host]

Okay, got you.

[Andrew]

The Vikings came as early in the 1700s. Seven hundreds.

[Blake]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Andrew]

Okay. So, but anyways, listen, here's the deal. My take on this is, you know, and actually, Blake, I think you circulated this. It was a sub stack. It was really interesting. And if you really want the full picture, America was settled by mostly Anglos, right? And there was a lot of pushback to some of the immigrant classes that came. The Poles, the Italians, the Irish, all this stuff. And there was concern and actually there.

[Host]

Are movies about this.

[Andrew]

A lot of the mystique of America being a nation of immigrants came out of that wave. And it actually changed the way the nation talked about itself. And there was concern even about letting in those cultures. Now we know in retrospect, they assimilated very well because they happen to be mostly European, mostly Christian.

[Blake]

No, even then, even then it actually like it needed a big lift to do it. So what the lift was World War I. And in the aftermath, we basically quite aggressively cracked down on vestigial, non assimilated elements of a lot of European immigrants to the US So there used to be a lot of German language newspapers, a lot of German language stuff, I.

[Host]

Was going to say.

[Blake]

And we had the anti German frenzy in World War I and stamped that out. And so, you know, I grew up in a place with a lot of Germans. No one knows German in the Dakotas.

[Host]

And then you would have. People like didn't. And the British royal family actually like changed their name.

[Blake]

They changed their name. They were, they were pretty fully similar.

[Host]

But it was German.

[Andrew]

And then they Anglicized this substack basically makes the case that it's semi miraculous that we were able to. To assimilate these people because of the greatness of America, but also these huge cataclysmic events like World War I and World War II. But it did end up creating this narrative that America is a nation of immigrants, which lead way for the 19. The Hart cell. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Which then gave them a foothold to say, hey, we're just a nation of immigrants, and so it doesn't matter where you're from. Well, that's not at all how we got from point A to point B. Point A was, we're Anglo. We don't want Italians and Irish and polls. Then it was like, well, we just defeated the Nazis and saved the Western world. So I guess they're cool now, and we're all one nation. And everybody's like, well, we did it once, we can do it again. But here's the thing. You went. You. That's like three standard deviations from, like, assimilating European Christians and Catholics to, oh, we can have somebody like Zoram Mandani, who's a Muslim from Uganda, slash Indian descent. Yeah.

[Host]

Hit the song.

[Blake]

To me, the most important thing about it is just that he ran pretty aggressively on and overtly on what you might call, you know, race communism, where he's going to say, the objective of my administration is to target but people who are white. Take your money.

[Host]

Leave out the fact that. Where did he hold his. I mean, I don't know if these were rallies, but they were his last public appearances right before the election on Saturday night and Sunday night in New York City. What were those clubs again, by the way?

[Andrew]

Those.

[Host]

Those clubs that he was appearing to go to.

[Blake]

A gay club.

[Andrew]

ABC Club.

[Host]

Yes.

[Blake]

That's pretty funny.

[Andrew]

Okay.

[Host]

Campaigning at gay clubs.

[Andrew]

Yeah, Here it is. B rolls up. This is Zoron at the gay club at 1 1. Oh, gosh.

[Blake]

Yeah, that is, you know, we do bring it up, but, like, you know, it's. It's an important thing where we bring up that, you know, we'll call them the, you know, foreign. The Muslim socialist. But, like, the Islam part is actually not a core part of his identity. This is not part of, like, the way it was part of Muhammad. This is why.

[Host]

Yeah, this is why calling him a jihadist is kind of washed. It's kind of played out.

[Tyler]

Is that. Is that really a gay.

[Host]

Obviously not. Yes, it is.

[Blake]

As Muslim, to the extent that he wants to show he is basically not American.

[Andrew]

Right.

[Host]

He's using it as in I'm not American. Part of his ideology. And he says this on stage.

[Andrew]

He's like, he's like.

[Host]

He's like, I am a Muslim. And make sure it's like, make sure you pronounce it that way. Rob Finnerty and I, it's like the.

[Blake]

Old personnel skit where anytime you talk about, like, whenever we're talking about Latin America, they suddenly have to have these weird fake accents.

[Host]

And I came on and I was like. I was like, da. Yeah, we are broadcasting from Managua. And I'm like. And he's like, you know, and it's just like, it's. It's ridiculous. It's completely ridiculous. So. So, yeah, that's. That's New York City. And I think we need to. And just to. Just to put a pin on this, because I do want to get to some of these other topics and we did promise a little bit of a spicy topic that we do need to fight for. The story of who actually built America's cities and who actually built America's greatness. And no, it was not like just this sort of vague, all immigrants built America story. Like, that's just, it's just wrong and it's led to bad policy.

[Andrew]

As you talked about. That's why I brought up bad outcomes. That's why I brought up that substack is because we changed the myth, the story that we told ourselves as a nation after that first wave of early. It was late 19th, but mostly early 20th century wave of immigrants.

[Host]

So spot on.

[Andrew]

And when we did that, we fundamentally changed the character of the country. Now we were able to assimilate. But listen, that is one thing. This is entirely another. And to just continually say to ourselves, we can keep assimilating and keep a nation, I think is a. Is a. Is a fool's errand. But this is what this is when you talk about the myths that we tell the story, reclaiming the story. This is Jennifer Welch to Mehdi Hassan at Zoran's victory party saying, you know, if it was all white people in here, it'd be boring. And Americans have no culture except multiculturalism.

[Blake]

Yeah, sure, play it.

[Andrew]

338.

[Tyler]

I've grown up in those circles. Everybody needs some spice of color in their lives.

[Andrew]

Life's a lot better. And that's the coolest thing about America.

[Host]

Except for multicultural.

[Andrew]

Well said.

[Host]

And we need to teach people how to embrace that.

[Andrew]

These presidents.

[Blake]

It'S actually like, that's actually a truly despicable thing. And they say this a lot yeah, like, white people have no culture. No. Like, screw you. I could say a stronger word here, except, you know, the spirit of Charlie would smite me. Like, screw you for saying that. No. Europeans actually have tremendous amount of culture. Americans have a tremendous amount of culture. To the extent that they say this, it's because, like, these awful people come in and, like, demean them, deny they, like, have any sort of cultural status as a way to justify dispossessing and displacing them. Hey, guess what? There's culture that isn't just, like, whatever slop you guys eat that you call, like, your national cuisine. That was probably still invented by a freaking European anyway. A lot of it was.

[Andrew]

Yeah.

[Blake]

Yeah.

[Host]

Chicken tikka masala.

[Blake]

Chicken tikka masala invented in Edinburgh. Salmon sushi invented by Norwegians.

[Host]

It's really good.

[Blake]

So many of these things, like, oh, wow, it's disgusting. And not the least. Yes, it was.

[Host]

Yeah.

[Blake]

And not the least.

[Tyler]

I want to go to Edinburgh now.

[Andrew]

But then.

[Host]

But then it got really big in London.

[Andrew]

Yeah.

[Blake]

I mean, it's just, you know, it's like, they do this a lot.

[Tyler]

Where Austria has the best Middle Eastern cuisine.

[Andrew]

All right, hold on.

[Blake]

And, you know, beyond that and beyond that, it's like the United States of America. The nation that gave us rock music. Hollywood. The nation that gave us Mark Twain. The nation that gave us, you know, stories like Paul Bunyan. The nation that gave us Daniel Boone. The nation that gave us Davy Crockett.

[Andrew]

The Alamo.

[Blake]

Infinity number of things. We don't have a culture. They should gave us country music.

[Andrew]

The blues.

[Blake]

The blues as. And we just have this slope. White people don't have a culture. No. Like, flip the bird to those people.

[Host]

That's king.

[Blake]

Absolutely. Absolutely violent. But, guys, no, it's not really a culture unless I can make some, like, obnoxious, like, Instagram post about being immersed in, like, Blake. It's not really a culture unless you have a different name for your grandmother. That's, like, not an English word. It's not really a culture unless you have an abuela or whatever.

[Host]

Like, I mean, so. So let's.

[Blake]

Let's.

[Host]

Let's just look at this, guys, because I know. I know we got a segue into our spicy topics, but it's.

[Blake]

It's.

[Host]

It's really simple as this. We can have God bless America. We could have God bless the usa or we can have.

[Andrew]

I thought you were gonna go with, like, a la akbar or something like that. Yeah, yeah. I mean, it's really disgusting. I mean, the amount of self loathing that liberal white America has.

[Blake]

1.4 billion people have written one song and made one movie.

[Tyler]

But this is really simple though. This is just like you talked about the cities that were built in America, the ingenuity, the actual cultures that came together to build what was initial. They don't care about any of that. They're just going to knock it all down and start over and replace it.

[Host]

With the fall of Rome.

[Tyler]

I mean, it's just like you go through these European cities, you see it like these. And again, I just brought up Austria. Like you go to Vienna. Vienna is a beautiful city, has a ton of historic nature to it, but you can tell very rapidly the places that have been defaced and replaced with Middle Eastern influence that have completely rebuilt over the top and all the Austrians have moved out and that those are the cultures that moved in and they don't care. And obviously they're going to eliminate and eradicate all the historic elements that were there. That's going to be just tread underneath their feet.

[Host]

Yeah, New York is.

[Tyler]

And by the way, there's way more preservation of history, in my opinion, in these European cities than America has. America has no culture of historic, of historic preservation. In fact, we've eradicated our own history in most cases with gothic architecture and everything else.

[Andrew]

We have some.

[Tyler]

No, but we like.

[Host]

He's talking about like New York City tearing down.

[Tyler]

No, not even New York City. I'm talking about like the Midwest. Think about some of the places in the Midwest. Kansas City.

[Host]

Yes, they.

[Tyler]

They leveled all of the originating architecture that was there. Chicago had a ton of this. It was eliminated.

[Host]

Milwaukee actually still has some up that you can. But like, so you can see some of this in Milwaukee. Like when we had the RNC last year, Tanya and the kids went over to like them. It's just like the Milwaukee library.

[Andrew]

Yeah.

[Host]

And it's just this. It's like a cathedral.

[Tyler]

Gothic.

[Host]

It's Gothic. It's amazing. You know, we can puncture. We can like, and it's like go.

[Blake]

Through the elephant in the room. A lot of American urban culture was wiped out because we had white flight in the 60s because of the last time libs got like total cultural domination and they decided to quadruple the crime rate overnight and have riots run everywhere. And so people had to leave. You know, when it happens in other countries, it's called ethnic cleansing when that happens. But I guess in America it was just like. I guess the people who left were bad because they didn't want to be murdered.

[Host]

Like We've litter. We've literally done an entire podcast.

[Blake]

Yeah.

[Host]

Like you go to, you go to.

[Blake]

Detroit and it's just like, oh, there's all these beautiful abandoned homes and all the people just had to leave, I guess.

[Host]

Yeah. So I mean, I, I experienced this in, in a very small way in my hometown. You know, ethnic whites, you know, Italian, Irish and Polish like myself. And Section 8 came in and crime came in and then it became a sanctuary city, which they still want to do.

[Blake]

Remember, big left wing idea and this.

[Host]

Is, you know, right outside Philadelphia. And they just, they, you know, blockbusting obviously was a huge part of that. And that's, that's almost exactly what happened to my family. Where this, this tight knit, not like working class area, but tight knit. Great architecture.

[Tyler]

While we're on this topic, because I think you're gonna see the.

[Blake]

One of the largest Jewish pop in the United States.

[Tyler]

If I was king of the world, I would force America to have to. You only had three options for architectural styles. Art deco in the major cities. Neoclassical or gothic. That's it.

[Andrew]

Colonial.

[Tyler]

No, no, colonial.

[Blake]

There's, there's other styles.

[Tyler]

No, those are my three.

[Blake]

Every, every town should have its Queen Anne revival. Those are like the fun, like houses that have like the little turret.

[Host]

And that being said, Blake's got a point though, because if you just keep importing people from parts of the world that have no care about that whatsoever, you're just going to get the extended favela. So what's interesting of India or like Brazil or whatever.

[Andrew]

All right, we have to commit to going to the next topic here. But I will say what's interesting and I've never thought about it. I have thought about it, but I've never articulated before. Is that even white flight. Blake, have you ever noticed that they. It's been, it's your whole life, it's been talked about as if it was like the white people's, like they get judged.

[Blake]

Yeah, it's their white people are bad. Everything, everything, all things are white.

[Host]

So. And, and by the way, as a great set, as a great segue, when I appeared on Tucker's tour last year in Pennsylvania, he specifically asked me to tell my story. And where we did that in Reading, Pennsylvania, which was pretty much, you know, like 20, 25 minutes from where I grew up. So the whole, you know, everyone in the area is. We're in the Northeast and everyone in the area knew what I was talking about and knew about these different, these different trends and these different pressures that we were all experiencing about how we completely just blew up these communities. And, like, I lived in a town where the people on my block were. Were all the. You know, all the adults on my block were the people that my father had played with as kids when he grew up on the same block. So, like, I grew up in the same house that my father grew up in and. And that his sisters grew up in and that we had had for it was built in 1901. And this was, like, beautiful wood architecture. Tyler. We had stained glass sliding doors in our dining room.

[Tyler]

So cool.

[Host]

And that was like, I. I still want to go back and buy them, actually, because I drive by the house a lot. And Tucker brought this up to say, hey, look, you know, this is not like a. An approved topic, but it's something that happened to a lot of people. And it's like. And I've talked, like, Jeremy Karl. Like, I've talked to Jeremy Karl about this, and he's like, I totally get where you're coming from with your politics, because you just want to get your hometown back. Like, that's. And that's really all it boils down to for me.

[Tyler]

Yeah.

[Host]

It's like they took from me some, like, I always define success as, like, you know, not like the amount of dollars in my bank account or whatever. It was just like having a nicer house in the. In my hometown. Like, you know what I mean? Like, that was being successful.

[Andrew]

Yeah. The amount of cultural displacement that's happened. You know, it's interesting if you get a city that gentrifies, right. A lot of money comes in. This happened in the 90s, early 2000s, because, oh, we got tough on crime. And so investment came back in, money came back in, prices went up. There was a. There was so much ink spilled. Books written about cultural displacement for urban. The urban minorities. Right. During that time. But when the shoe is on the other foot and white communities get displaced because of crime that is expanding outward into white neighborhoods or ethnic white neighborhoods like you grew up in Philly. There's zero compassion on that cultural experience. There's zero acknowledgement that bad policy has led to more violent neighborhoods and run down degraded neighborhoods. And I think it's a shame. But anyways, Tucker Carlson. Tucker.

[Host]

And so, yeah, so Tucker. So, yeah, I'll set the stage. So. So.

[Andrew]

And.

[Host]

And look, you know, that. That was kind of my segue point was that was that of all the things that, you know, I was expecting to talk about on, you know, on a live. It was a live podcast, but also a live show. Huge stadium. Santander arena in. In Reading. Absolutely sold out. And Tucker's like, I just want you to talk about your hometown. I'm like, really? Okay, sure. You know, and. And. And so I did. And so getting into the Tucker question, you know, I think that's what Tucker is all about. And. And he's obviously, you know, always wants to get in, find new stories and find new things to talk about. And he obviously has been no stranger to controversy, and he has had a lot of controversy this week, or I should say there's been controversy about him because of a particular interview. He had Nicuentes on a couple. I guess it's a couple of weeks ago at this point, or it was last week. I'm not sure exactly. Recently. And. And a lot of people have been saying, should he have had him on? Is he ruining the world? Is the sky falling because he did an interview? Tucker's had, obviously, people who are considered controversial before. He's had black Putin on. He's had, I think, Lavrov on as well. He's inter. Just. It's kind of his job. So, you know, this was going around and a lot of people were saying, oh, you guys got a comment. You guys got a comment. And I was like, no, there's an election, actually, I'm going to focus on that.

[Blake]

We should probably explain to people what we're reacting to. It's not everyone.

[Host]

And. But no, no. Well, this is my setup to say, okay, but now the election is over, and so let's talk about it. So, Blake, you.

[Blake]

What are we talking about?

[Host]

So, Blake, as a former, you know.

[Tyler]

What is the thought crime state?

[Blake]

No, no, not even. What's the thought crime statement, but, like, I'm not sure everyone even knows what we're referring to with Tucker.

[Andrew]

Why don't you explain it, Blake?

[Host]

Well, I just mentioned I got to explain it. Wouldn't you.

[Andrew]

You're good at explaining.

[Blake]

How about Tyler explains it?

[Andrew]

Wait.

[Blake]

Is there. Is there something.

[Tyler]

I'm not.

[Host]

I'm. Is there.

[Tyler]

I'm not preparing for this topic.

[Host]

No, I'm sure. Is there something other than him having Nick on? Like, that's.

[Andrew]

Well, it's the way the interview was conducted. I will tell you that. That's part of it, right? That's part of it. A lot of people. The first part of. A lot of people are upset.

[Host]

Okay.

[Blake]

So just for those who aren't paying attention, because Tucker Carlson had work on Fuentes on his show, he had him out to Maine, obviously, Fuentes had a quite long and one Sided obsession with our boss, I believe our late boss. And so that's colored it a lot. And it's also just colored other ways. So it's actually for those who aren't following it online, it's had this sort of thunderous aftermath.

[Tyler]

I can use a background here with that to lean into that. I mean, the reality is Nick has a bunch of followers that they call themselves groipers. They largely are young men, if we could say that. It's not all men, but it's largely young men. Many have had some kind of interaction with Turning Point in a negative way. In most cases, I would say do not feel warmly invited mainly around the Israel issue because Turning Point historically has been a pro Israel organization. And a lot of these young men, they're single issue. If you say there's a single issue is, you know, their distrust or just outright hatred for the state of Israel, is that. That's like.

[Blake]

Yeah, yeah, that's basically it.

[Tyler]

And then you have a number of other layered things on top of that, which are, you know, some, some issues on. On race. Well, I mean, things like that.

[Andrew]

That Nick has been vitriolic towards Charlie. He's been very open about it. He said nasty things about Erica. He's been really nasty about. Yeah. Israel. He's been nasty to Tucker. Actually. They've. They've gotten to their own spat and I think people were expecting njd. I think they were. I think they were expecting this to be a much more contentious interview. Is. Is. Is one of the main.

[Blake]

I wasn't expecting it because it's just not what Tucker would do.

[Host]

I wanted to pull up and I, I didn't want to. I know we didn't pull it because. But I, I know Tucker. Charlie wasn't talked about a lot, but I do think they mentioned him a little bit in the, you know, in there.

[Andrew]

Well, and then the other thing I think.

[Host]

I think we're in the context of.

[Andrew]

Violence and I do want to make this clear. There was a lot of pushback because Tucker said essentially that he just. I think the exact quote was he despised Christian Zionist. And then. So that was a huge. A huge bone of contention for the evangelical community, especially the dispensationalists that believe that the current nation state of Israel is prophetically foretold of in scriptures and that they do represent sort of a very important prophetic timeline piece. The current nation state of Israel to God's ultimate plan for humanity. Right. So you've got this whole dynamic going on. I want to say that Tucker Ended up going on Dave Smith's podcast and walked that back. The. The. His. That he despises Christians.

[Host]

Walk it back. He apologized.

[Andrew]

He apologized. He said, I apologize. What I was upset about. What he said was he was upset that there was bombings of Christian churches in Gaza and that people did not apologize, that he feels they were intentional and obviously Israel.

[Host]

I think he said that. He, he. I'm just not that, like, I'm not taking this item. I'm just trying to quote it, that he was saying that he thought that Christian leaders weren't outspoken about that enough.

[Andrew]

Yeah. And I'm gonna, I'm gonna. I think I have the exact quote it says.

[Host]

But at the same time, he did fully apologize.

[Andrew]

I really regret saying that. I didn't fully mean it. I said it because I was mad, which is when I say I don't really mean. When I get pissed. My wife's tell always telling me this. I was snippy and I didn't explain it. And I said something to the effect that I despise Christian Zionists. And I'm just sorry that I said that, because I don't. I was just mad at a certain kind of thinking. Some of the nicest people I know are Christian Zionists. Actually, you know, if you're in a car crash, they would save you. If you needed someone to watch your bank account, they wouldn't steal from you. They're like really good people and sweet people. So he tried to do it and then he clarifies that he was upset about the church bombings in Gaza, that more Christian leaders weren't calling it out. Yeah. So, I mean, Blake, I think you said it really well, and I hate to keep putting you on the spot here, but you have a history with Tucker and that's why I think there's, you know, I don't want to say you're being cynical or something, but you're just. You didn't have high hopes for it.

[Blake]

No. So it's like. I mean, when you watch it, you kind of. It basically went as I about expected it to. It wasn't 100% friendly. He does. If you watch the whole interview, it's about two hours long. I think he does, at some point, you know, he questions Nick, like, okay, you seem to sort of have a somewhat hate based ideology. Or like he. He kind of paints entire groups all the same way. And, you know, he pushes him a bit on that. But at the same time, it's Nick, he has a pretty long history. He's been online a long Time. There's a lot of clips, as they might say. And you don't need to like nitpick every single thing because it is true. Some of what he says is clearly just attempting to be transgressive, comedic, funny. Actually some of the wildest stuff people obsess about when he says, like he loves Hitler or whatever, a lot of that is even in that vein. But there's still a lot of stuff that, you know, you could, you could talk about. So you're having Nick Fuentes on, who, among other things, is famous for this long running feud with Charlie Kirk. Well, Nick Fuentes within the past month basically said, you know, everyone's thinking this. You know, Erica Kirk looks extremely happy that her husband's dead. This is what everyone's thinking. Everyone's talking about it. Okay, I, I know Erica. I don't think she's happy that her husband died. I think that's a pretty, I think.

[Andrew]

It'S a pretty hurtful thing, terrible thing to say.

[Blake]

I think that's a hurtful thing to say. And I'm a little, I'm a little disappointed Tucker didn't bring that up or.

[Host]

Push him on that.

[Blake]

You know. Why, why did you say that, Nick? Why, why did you say that about a woman whose husband was just murdered? Why did you. Yeah, and I think he just didn't, he didn't ask about that. He didn't ask about some of the stuff he said about J.D.

[Andrew]

Vance.

[Blake]

And I think more broadly he let, especially in the early part, he definitely just ceded the stage for Nick to give his narrative of his life where basically I'm just a normal America first guy. And then the Jews just were constantly messing with me and sabotaging me. Whether it was Ben Shapiro or various other people, which several of those people came out and said his narrative was a misleading, self aggrandizing lie. I don't know the truth about it. I'm not obsessed with his history. But he basically just kind of let him tell that. And it's clear Tucker approved of that narrative that basically he was buying into. Oh yeah, those darn Jews just came in and messed with Nick because he, you know, wanted to have America first foreign policy. Okay, I, I think there's probably a few other things he did that made people not like Nick or dig into. Okay, Nick, you have a lot of burned former colleagues who don't like you for this reason. There's like weird things where people say he has like a lot of associations with like outright sex predators and stuff you could get into A lot of that you could get into.

[Andrew]

Well, even like the Stalin clip.

[Blake]

Yeah. Or the Stalin thing. He just says. He kind of throws out, like, oh, I love Stalin.

[Tyler]

The Stalin thing.

[Blake]

Why don't we pause and pick at that? You know, Tucker, you picked at Ted Cruz because he didn't know enough. He didn't know enough facts about Iran. Could we pick at Nicholas for saying he loves a guy who killed tens of millions of people, possibly millions of Christians, including them, when we care about the fate of Christians here? Or do they only matter when they're in Gaza?

[Tyler]

The Stalin thing really bothered me because I think that accentuated that there was like a overlooking of, like, it created.

[Blake]

The look of the scene, when it happens is that he had an environment where he wanted to only mildly question Fuentes. And then he was caught off guard when Fuentes said something that was really freaking loud. And he's like, I listen to the whole. I listened to the whole.

[Host]

Both this interview and when Tucker was on Dave Smith and. And I think Tucker also mentions this on Dave Smith and just. And he. I'm trying to remember this from memory, but he sort of said, like, I was caught so off guard that I. I wish I had said something and. And that he didn't. So. He did, actually.

[Andrew]

Yeah, but.

[Tyler]

But we've all seen Tucker on.

[Host]

Yeah, no, I'm not disputing that. I'm just saying.

[Tyler]

And we've seen Tucker, and again, maybe his frame of mind was. He was being his friend. I can totally buy that. His frame of mind is like, he's given this guy a shot, and he really believes he's extremely talented and that maybe his outreach can guide him to a better, more Tucker, like, version of Nick Fuentes. And honestly, I hate even spending this much time on it, but I. And there's a part of me that thinks that that was, like, his goal. And I'm not agreeing with that. I'm just saying I think that. That that was kind of the goal, Big Brother, because. Because of that whole Stalin situation. And again, I'm not. I'm not saying that's okay. I'm not saying that, like, that's what I would have done. Charlie wouldn't have done that.

[Host]

Yeah, like, you want the Tucker who's like, excuse me, Stalin? Yeah, like what?

[Tyler]

Yeah, like what are you talking really?

[Andrew]

Like a guy who killed tens of millions of people, I mean, including millions of Christians.

[Tyler]

Like, how could. How could.

[Host]

I was like, ideological Christian priests.

[Tyler]

How could your. How could your ideological centering be around Stalin and explain that to Us, like where the point you come from. Because I think actually that epitomizes. And I, I think if, if, if, if the guy was here right now, he would tell you the same thing. Part of his ideology is he agrees with an authoritarian, you know, slightly communist version of whatever his current worldview is. And that's part of the reason why he thinks so greatly of him. And, and again, that, and again, I know that that's not, that's not Tucker's worldview. I know that that's not his position.

[Andrew]

And I actually do buy that he was probably so caught off guard by that and his headspace was in another place entirely. Probably what you were saying that he was trying to.

[Tyler]

But it shows that he doesn't really know who this guy is and what that, that movement is. We've gotten to know that movement and again, like, we know they exist in the aura of whatever. Right. But we totally disagree with the whole. There's a whole communist faction that's underlying with a lot of these guys that are outright communists that think that like, the 1917 revolution's great. And we saw elements of this come.

[Host]

Out, which, by the way, what's his name? And by the way, that's Hassan Piker said that at the Mandani victory party. He was talking about how he actually said, I wish the United States had not defeated the Soviet Union.

[Tyler]

And so we. I don't, I don't think that all kids realize they're signing up for that when they follow these guys. And again, I think that there's an element here where maybe, like, maybe Tucker's not totally aware of that existence, but I think he is now. I think people should be. Now they should be aware that there's a whole communist angle to that entire movement that we totally disagree with and that there's nothing there that you could possibly ever commend.

[Host]

Well, and I do.

[Tyler]

That's the reality of it for me, like, ideologically is that. I mean, I studied. I mean, that's our connection. I studied Soviet era politics. There's so much intrinsically evil and communist ideology that it, to me, it's like kind of messing with ghosts.

[Host]

Yeah, it's like. Was that a joke? It's like messing with the Ouija board. You really mean that?

[Tyler]

It's like you messing with communist ideologies, like messing with a Ouija board, because it's a, it's a hard stop in.

[Host]

The interest, in the interest of just fairness. So the only time that I think Charlie came up at all, a few times, which which were a few times, three or four times in it. And I'm going through the transcript right now. You know, it's, it's, it's them speaking out against violence. It's, it's Nick saying that never should have happened. That, that Charlie was a conservative guy, relative moderate. He's not a politician. You know, he, he got shot. And then 100,000 liberals went on TikTok and celebrated. And then how can you, you know, integrate or harmonize with that? So, I mean, he was talking about.

[Blake]

Violence, which is what.

[Andrew]

That was it.

[Host]

That was Nick. And then, so you hear, you know, so which does make the solid thing like you're like, wait, what does that mean? And he even said that they, they actually had a really good part where they were talking about. And you know, I say good in relative terms, but I, I thought it was, it was good that this narrative got out that when they were talking about Tyler Robinson and talking about some of these new revelations, which we haven't even done on Thor crime yet, of the discord messages and some of the, like the, there's like this leaker now in the Tyler Robinson where. And they mentioned this. So they're mentioning the LSD use, they're mentioning the, the weed use, the drug use, the discords, the chat. GPT obsession of the roommate in this, this is the transgender boyfriend in, in all of it. And so they, you know, it wasn't like a long time they were talking about it, but. Yeah. What did he say? So I got the transcript again here. You know, this, this psychoactive substances make believe reality of the Internet, totally disconnected from the real world. And I think they enter into this delusional state. I think that's where the shooter in Minneapolis. I think that if Tyler and, and if Tyler Robinson is found guilty, there's these interesting screenshots about him and his transgender boyfriend. It's the same story there. If that's true, I'd imagine it's not dissimilar with the guy who showed up and you know, and he's talking about the time there was a guy who tried to, you know, allegedly tried to kill Nick as well, was, you know, was in kind of one of these like almost fugue states and was talking. So they were talking about political violence, right? They were talking about political violence and being extremely against it. And you know, obviously that's what. That makes the Stalin comment weird. But that was the only time they brought up Charlie directly in the whole interview.

[Andrew]

Yeah. Well, listen. Yeah, I mean. Sorry, were you. Okay, good. I'M not cutting anybody off. But there was.

[Host]

I just want to point out that they did actually discuss Tyler Robinson kind of in depth.

[Andrew]

Yeah. And I just want to say something as well, though, too, is that. And we should talk more about that, because the radicalization elements and the drug use and this leaker is, like, actually a big development. But I would say that, you know, here, you know, I saw a lot of people, like, on social media, basically sharing a speaker graphic from before Charlie even died of Amfest.

[Host]

Is the Amfest one.

[Andrew]

Yeah, yeah. Charlie's still on it with Tucker and Charlie still on it. And everybody's like, you know, all these people that now hate Tucker are like, you're disgrace.

[Blake]

You.

[Andrew]

What you have done. What you've done is disgrace. And I'm like, you. How are we disgracing Charlie's letter? This is Charlie's graphic that he published when he was alive. And you're acting like we've somehow done something to disgrace Charlie. And I will tell you one other thing, though. Charlie, I'm sure would have been disappointed with aspects of that interview, probably that it even happened. Okay. But I will tell you this. If you put Charlie against a corner and you tried to back him up against a wall, he would defy any moral blackmail that you can imagine. It was the one thing that I saw time and time and time again from Charl, especially in the last couple of years, like when you tried to coerce him or control him or emotionally manipulate him. Like, he would have defied the heck out of you just to defy you and not be controlled by you 100%.

[Tyler]

And I cannot reiterate what Andrew is saying. Enough. And I know we all agree with this, but I just want to reiterate this. I don't always agree with anyone. I mean, you get married to people. You don't always agree with them.

[Blake]

Right.

[Tyler]

Like, you're clearly not always going to agree with everything that comes out of Tucker's mouth. We don't agree with everything that comes out of everyone's mouth that we invite to America Fest and that speak or that work with us. That doesn't mean that they're not. They still can't be your friend. And Tucker was a friend to Charlie. Charlie was a friend to Tucker. And you know where it goes from here. You know, Tucker could change his entire mantra and everything else. Right. But there is still always going to exist a friendship and a memory that exists with those two gentlemen. And we are way too close to the death of Charlie Kirk to be flying off the handle and making preconceived notions about people and where their head's at. And again, that's not to say that you're not going to disagree with him more later on or you're not going to. Or that you're always going to be in the same place that you were the day that Charlie was taken off this earth. He was taken from us. But you're always going to have that same bond that exists there and that respect that everyone should have mutually respecting anyone that loved Charlie that much and that Charlie loved, you know, equally. Because, again, Blake's work for the man has vocally disagreed with him in. In this segment that we're talking about. You could still have all that.

[Host]

Yeah, I think you're the only one who worked for both, actually.

[Tyler]

And. And I want to say this is just. In this. Finish with this is just.

[Andrew]

He might be the only one exists.

[Tyler]

You can honor Charlie's life by honoring that relationship.

[Host]

And it.

[Tyler]

That doesn't necessarily mean you have to agree.

[Blake]

We've gotten questions. We get emails about this, and I respond to some of them where I just say, like, I mean, Charlie faced a lot of pressure to deplatform Tucker a lot, and he consistently pushed back on that. And I don't know how Charlie would have reacted to this Nick interview in this world where it happens while he's still around, which could plausibly have happened, I think. I don't know how he'd have reacted to that, but we know how he responded to other things that made people pressure him. And I'll be honest, I think Charlie probably would not have liked this interview that tuckered it. I think he would have been quite annoyed with it. He would have been annoyed with it on several levels.

[Andrew]

There's no. There's actually really no doubt about it.

[Blake]

Yeah.

[Host]

Yeah, basically.

[Blake]

Yeah, no doubt.

[Andrew]

He would have been really upset about it.

[Blake]

Yeah, we have been annoyed that it happened and more annoyed at, like, the nature of how it unfolded.

[Andrew]

Less. Less so that it happened, probably, than. Than. Than the. The tone and tenor of it.

[Blake]

Yeah, exactly.

[Andrew]

But.

[Host]

But then the question is, there's. The second aspect of this is would it have risen to the level of what. But all of these, you know, this, like, you know, caterwauling cacophony of whatever, you know, Greek choir saying, now turning point must do this. Now turning point must do this is.

[Andrew]

What I want to. This is a good point because it kind of reminds me of the underlying issue itself, which is Israel. And I say this time and again, it's like the world wants to force you into one of two buckets. Pro or anti, in my opinion, there is about 100 iterations between those two polar extremes. And yes, I think I expressed this the first time we talked about it. Blake, you could be disappointed in the way somebody talks about it, but to. To or conducts an interview, but to Tyler's point, while respecting the relationship and the friendship that is authentic. And by the way, I have a friendship with Tucker. I'm sure many of us do. And it's like, you know, I have a. A personal friendship with him. I actually really like the guy on a personal level. And so you gotta contend with that. And beyond that is to understand that we. Exactly. Tyler Charlie has barely been gone from us. And to think that we are in a position where that feels morally right to sort of upset the apple cart and change something that was so fundamental and so publicly expressed multiple times and privately expressed about.

[Host]

These were his wishes.

[Andrew]

These are his wishes. This is his organization. He built this. And if somebody thinks that you're going to emotionally coerce us or morally blackmail us to do something, especially the soon afterwards, like, you know, go pound sand, honestly.

[Host]

Yeah. And we're all sitting. Look where we are.

[Andrew]

But. But here's the thing. I. I also love those people that. That are frustrated about that. And so it's like, listen, we are you. When. When the whole movement is fighting against itself, then we're not going to win elections. We're not going to be focused on taking ground or taking territory. It's just going to be all some giant distraction. And I just reject the premise in a general sense.

[Host]

No, I was just going to say, I mean, guys, let's zoom out for a second. We know where we are. Look where we're sitting right now. This is the Charlie Kirk studio. This is the Charlie Kirk chair.

[Blake]

This is the Bitcoin.com Charlie Kirk Studio.

[Host]

Hey, got to get back to that, by the way. But it's. It's Charlie's chair. And. And we leave the chair empty for a reason, right? We leave the chair empty out of honor for our friend, and that's the reason that it's there. And what. What was it, six. Not even. Not even two months yet. It's not even two months. And we're sitting here going through all of this, and then people are coming in trying to make demands and trying to make people say, oh, you know, this is about. You know, this is about, what are you gonna do? It's like, well, how about we're just gonna Honor Charlie's wishes. How about, yeah, we're gonna try our best.

[Tyler]

No, not even that. We're just gonna do our best to try on our best. Our best, of course, because it's like, that's. That's what. That's the world in which we're living in right now. It's like everyone literally just trying to do their best to not speak for Charlie. You know, you just don't do that to the. To the dead. You don't do that to those who have moved on.

[Host]

That's right.

[Tyler]

You try to live up to the standard that they left. The expectations that, you know, that he had for you and that you have for yourself.

[Andrew]

Because, by the way, how about this? How about you pick up a phone and you call people instead of. Instead of trying to just tweeting at them or even get.

[Tyler]

Or even better, get to work. Do something productive.

[Andrew]

Yeah, that's what I've said back to.

[Tyler]

People like, do something productive.

[Andrew]

But here's the thing again. I had this old pastor friend. He actually married my wife and I at our wedding. But he used to say the meaning of life is relationship. Relationship with God, relationship with one another. And I so believe that, actually, because, you know, and when we talk about this, we're talking about it in the context of, like I said, I have a friendship with Tucker. Charlie has a friendship with. Had a friendship with Tucker. Jack, you have a friendship with Tucker. Blake, you have a friendship that has not precluded any of us to say, wish the interview would have maybe been a little bit different. But the point is, is that these things are done in the context of relationship. And we also, like, forgive us our trespasses, you know, Lord, you know, as we forgive those who trespass against us, forgive us first. Yeah. And by the way. And by the way, like, I don't have a relationship with Nick Fuentes. I've never met the guy. And by the way, it's always been contentious. But I do have one with some of these people that we're talking about, and that means something to me. So listen. And by the way, that means something to me when I'm talking about some of the evangelicals that are upset or some of the Jewish friends that are upset. I get it. This is contentious stuff. But, like, instead of just going for the, you know.

[Blake]

Yeah, yeah.

[Host]

You can't even say that.

[Andrew]

Can't even say it. I know.

[Host]

Like I was about to say. And then it's like, oh, right. Going for the.

[Andrew]

The clickbait, clickbait. Instead of going for cheap clicks or blowing up relationships or blowing up coalitions. I talked about this all the time with Charlie and actually I didn't talk about it all the time. It was. It became a very, very important conversation. Probably two weeks before he died, Charlie and I had like an hour long conversation about this. I'll never forget it. And it was based off of a bunch of texts we sent back and forth to each other. And then we talked about it. And it was basically putting a hierarchy of the virtues as the Greeks had them. And he was basically saying, like, listen, anybody can tear down, anybody can be an ankle biter, anybody. For performative click bait measures, just say crazy stuff, okay? But what is much rarer in the higher of the virtues is being a philosopher, being a statesman, being a coalition builder. And he was very, very clear that the mission of Turning Point is to not be ankle biters, not to be performative like social media artists, is none of that stuff. It's to be coalition builders and statesmen and philosophers. And by God, we are. By God's grace, we are going to pursue that mission on Charlie's behalf and on Turning Point's behalf and for the country's behalf. Because, listen, there's a lot of people that want to tear each other down. And I'm just like, again, I'm going to say it, I'm going to reject the premise. I'm rejecting the premise. And we're gonna try and keep the darn coalition together if it's the last darn thing any of us do.

[Host]

And there's, there's something that Tyler said that it just has to be brought up. The timing of this is they launched all of this at the time we were having an election, at the time that we were having a contentious election, a couple of key races. So we just talked about Mondame in New York City. We just talked about Jersey. Well, I mean, we've been talking about Jersey, we've been talking about Virginia, et cetera. J. Jones, by the way, talking about political violence.

[Blake]

Right?

[Host]

What is it? 1.5 million people just voted for a guy who said he wants to kill our kids. So that's. Yeah, that's great. So we're supposed to unite with those people now. We're supposed to. We're supposed to harmonize with them. And all of these people spent their time infighting, spent their time ankle biting, attacking, you know, you know, attacking one another and doing this. Infighting. What were they not doing? Talking to their followers about going out and getting involved in the race, some.

[Blake]

Talking about some were telling their followers to actively not vote.

[Host]

I mean, it's just. It's just like. It's ridiculous.

[Tyler]

It's ridiculous. And guys, we've seen this before. I mean, we've been tracking this for a long time. We just went through an entire election cycle where there are people that were adjacent. I'm not going to say gripers in. In total. In totality here, but adjacent to the. To Roy Priest. But there were many of these people too, that are Nick followers who were telling people actively not to vote. This is not a new thing. This is. And it's weird. It's not weird to me. Everything happens for a reason. But isn't it weird that this happened just a few weeks before this? You know, this election that every. I mean, I'm just going to tell you, I'm not going to be the conspiracy theorist here, but I do believe there's a lot of funding, a lot of pushing and polling. And some of this is organic, some of it is not organic where there is actual pushing to try to harm Republicans in elections, leading up to elections on this stuff.

[Andrew]

I don't. I don't disagree. Let's get to. I think we've really done that one and I don't know how much time we have left. Maybe Faz can get it on.

[Host]

I think we're way over time, but way over time.

[Andrew]

Can we just.

[Blake]

I want to at least play the EBT videos.

[Andrew]

Yeah, let's do ebt.

[Host]

Let's do. We got to do ebt.

[Andrew]

That's a fan favorite.

[Host]

This has been one that we've been talking about doing for a long time. A topic that we wanted to hit.

[Andrew]

And drive, you know.

[Host]

So, Blake, what is ebts of Tik Tok?

[Blake]

So obviously we already have Libs of Tik Tok. She. Chia Racik was a big pioneer of highlighting, however you say it. I don't. I don't know these names. Yeah, anyway, so Haya. Haya, whatever.

[Host]

It's like Chanika.

[Blake]

Chana. Look, I don't. I am not from New York the least anyway.

[Andrew]

Right. All right, go ahead, go ahead.

[Blake]

Anyway, she pioneered. People will post shockingly bad videos of themselves on TikTok being insane. And also just social media has been great. I think people have learned a lot about the true nature of, like, crime in America just from social media. They've learned a lot about what life is really like. And a lot of parts of American society they're not part of. And what we've had with the freakout over SNAP funding over EBT possibly being, well, I guess actually being suspended now with the government shutdown ongoing is people have gotten a direct encounter with how some Americans who are on government programs basically relate to these government programs. Both, you know, SNAP Supplementary Nutritional Assistance Program. The idea, you know, food stamps. The idea, you know, you're using these to get what you need to survive. And what people are learning is there's a lot of people who are on SNAP who don't work and don't really want to work and feel entitled to not work. There are people who have figured out the not exceptionally difficult task of converting food stamps into literally anything else. You want to buy stamps and all of that. And we have amazing clips of them doing this and they're on TikTok and then they're uploaded to X so that those of us who aren't on TikTok aren't you.

[Host]

And to your point though, by the way, this is. This isn't just something we're talking about because this is something that Charlie talked about. Let's play clip 323.

[Blake]

The number one objective of any social welfare program should be how do we keep the family together and put dads.

[Andrew]

Back in the family.

[Blake]

Unfortunately, in the black community, dads are the most absent of any community. About two thirds of all black youth will be raised without a stable father around.

[Host]

And I know, it's crazy, right?

[Blake]

And that that little precious angel of yours deserves to have a father around. And unfortunately, as we've removed dads from families, government has come in and has taken the place. So some people need help and they need social assistance. All of that should be about incentivizing the dad staying around, not the dad leaving. Okay, that was Charlie. Now we have the video. So let's see.

[Host]

So that's Charlie telling us what, what we should want in like a. A country that has, of course, our Christian values and we don't want people to be left behind, etc.

[Blake]

We all agree with that.

[Host]

So let's go see the people now that have been using SNAP benefits and EBT brought to us courtesy of ebts of Tick Tock Blake.

[Blake]

Let's do Poison Man. There's so many of these and I actually haven't watched most of them yet. How about we just go with.

[Host]

Let's just go in order. Three, two, seven.

[Blake]

Let's do 327.

[EBT TikTok Narrator]

Yeah, you just can't get your hair done this month. You can't get your nails done this month. And them lashes that you have a little like windshield wipers. Yeah. You got to try to glue them on yourself so you can feed them little raggedy kids of y'.

[Andrew]

All.

[EBT TikTok Narrator]

That's right. That's right. But that's just being responsible. That's being responsible. But when you do that, bring your id, because then I'm gonna be seeing the real you, and I've never seen the real you, so I can know who you are. So I'm need you to have some id. Because I'm a car. Because about all that. I don't know y'.

[Andrew]

All.

[EBT TikTok Narrator]

I don't know none of y', all, because I got car. Two people today that's like, Ms. V is me. Like, who the are you? Talisha. Oh, that's the real you.

[Blake]

So I can't tell. Is she on EBT or she's just making fun of people who are. I want. She's making fun of them.

[Host]

Can we book her on the show? Show immediately.

[Andrew]

I want her on right now.

[Blake]

Do we have some. I want.

[EBT TikTok Narrator]

And I just really want to know why these restaurants and why these supermarkets aren't giving out free food during this government shutdown.

[Host]

Like, they have food that was not in there.

[EBT TikTok Narrator]

Very obviously. They have food to spare. They have food that they could give away to people that's affected by his government shut down. Then when are stealing, then it's going to be an issue. I really don't get why these companies aren't doing more to help during this government shutdown. It's really. It's really doing something to me. It's really, really doing something to me.

[Host]

I. I want to Skip this do 3, 2, 1.

[EBT TikTok Narrator]

And people are going to start. I'm telling you, this is going to be a thing people are going to start.

[Andrew]

Instead of stealing groceries from the stores.

[EBT TikTok Narrator]

They'Re going to start watching people go to their cars and they're going to take all of their groceries. And you know what the store going to do? Not our problem.

[Tyler]

Oh, my gosh. So instead of stealing straight from the grocery stores, people are going to start.

[Host]

To the parking lots.

[Blake]

The parking lot.

[Host]

Which, by the way, Blake, that gets us back to the shopping cart theory. Oh, no.

[Tyler]

Yes.

[Blake]

I had some brutal shopping cart moments.

[Host]

You have moments of shopping carts?

[Blake]

No, Like I was.

[Host]

Does everyone. You guys remember the shopping cart theory?

[Tyler]

The. The cultural.

[Host]

The citizen puts back the cart.

[Blake]

The citizen puts back the cart.

[Tyler]

Have you seen the guy that goes around and he slaps magnets on their doors when they don't put their car.

[Andrew]

Yeah, he's like.

[Host]

He's like, shaming them.

[Blake]

I've seen some brutal cart abandonment in some grocery stores lately.

[Host]

Like in the Phoenix area here.

[Blake]

Yeah, in the Phoenix area.

[Tyler]

And just so this guy does videos. He goes around and he. And he's the cart police or he calls him something. And so he waits. He waits. And they. When they don't put their car away, he. It's like a big magnet. And he slaps down their car when they're driving away.

[Blake]

This is like the.

[Tyler]

Like, you should. Should put your cart away. And people get.

[Blake]

This is like a magazine. It's like those guys who are just.

[Tyler]

Sticks to their car that just says like, you. You are a. Like, it's like a. Basically a bad citizen for not putting your card away.

[Host]

Amazing.

[Tyler]

And they get out of the car, they start screaming like every time.

[Blake]

Like, everyone's that hard at being a human being.

[Tyler]

No, they spend more energy yelling at this guy than to put in the car was just. And he just runs away from.

[Blake]

It's not even like citizenship versus non citizen. It's like if you do not put the card away, you are no better than a mere beast.

[Host]

Wait, there's.

[Andrew]

There's.

[Blake]

Separates us from the animals.

[Host]

Wait, guys, there's another. There's another clip in here.

[Blake]

It's.

[Host]

It says so. So three, two, one is like double printed on the clip sheet. But there's one that says complain. Someone's complaining about having to use their own money. That's 331. Okay, hit that one.

[EBT TikTok Narrator]

Yeah, them people really didn't give us our sims.

[Andrew]

What?

[EBT TikTok Narrator]

It's like day two. You know what I'm saying? I get my. On the first. You know what I mean? I'm first of the month around this, but it's the second, and I just went to go peek and I'm like, you know, maybe they would have gave a little sprinkle. Sprinkle a little sprinkle. I ain't got no yams. I just spent cash money on five items out the store. Mind you, it was only $20, but I still got bills to pay. I still got mother bills to pay. I'm not trying to spend it on that. I'm supposed to be getting food stamps for. Quit playing with me.

[Andrew]

Like, what the.

[Blake]

Apparently only about one third of food stamp houses have children. And part of that is that there's more elderly people on food stamps. Yeah, so there's part of that. But I think there is also just. We kind of have a robust pool of Americans who don't really want to work, I guess, or try to work.

[Andrew]

Well, this is the whole thing with, and you see this with the Obamacare subsidies in health care too. Once you put subsidies in, in an economy, into a marketplace, removing those is almost impossible.

[Blake]

It's like an atrocity.

[Andrew]

People, they adjust their spending habits to this new reality. Right. So if they're. If.

[Blake]

And they're entitled and their sense of entitlement.

[Andrew]

Yeah, but they've, they've gotten a more expensive place to rent or they've, they've got more subscriptions per month or they're, you know, new TVs or whatever. The thing is that they, their monthly budget now. So it. So, so you can't pull it back without them feeling like the government and the Republicans and Trump are hurting me. This is essentially what it is.

[Blake]

And it's rough because you can basically eventually, you know, eventually you actually go broke and the whole thing falls apart. It's. And there's so many different versions and.

[Host]

We should be clear.

[Blake]

There's versions of this we can talk about snap here, but there's also a ton of people. It's like a way of life to get on Social Security disability that you don't need to be elderly for. You get yourself basically classed as disabled. You live on whatever they pay out to you, which doesn't have to be that much. But if you live with a family member and you're okay not doing much with your life, you can make 15k go pretty far. And so there's people who live on that. There's, especially in states like California or New York, there's all these additional state programs. You can milk along.

[Andrew]

Oh yeah. By the way, I'll never forget. So I actually are. California had had our daughter, so. And a guy that apparently I didn't realize this, so he was one of the workers that, that was working next door on a construction. So on a house, a renovation next door. And I, I would see him kind of. Because this renovation went on for like six months. So I would see him next door, I'd say, hey, you know, here and there. Anyway, so we're at the hospital and we have our kid and down the hall is this Mexican dude who doesn't really speak much English, also at the hospital having his own kid. And so my wife, knowing that these guys are probably a little bit poor, she said you should go offer to buy them some meals or something like that. We should be good neighbors. So I go out and I start talking to this guy because my wife thinks I speak really good Spanish. So I live in Spain in college, study abroad So I start talking to him and I say, hey, hit the Andrew song.

[Host]

Hit the Andrew song.

[Andrew]

Are you guys doing okay? Can we help you? My wife wants to help since we saw you at the hospital. And the guy goes, oh, no, no. Like, my wife's an American citizen, but since I'm like an immigrant that the state of California has paid for all of our hospital bills and they've given us a monthly stipend and so we're doing great. My wife took care of all of it and I was like, so wait, there's this immigrant here that's here illegally apparently, but he's married to an American. So it's like, it's pretty, you know, this was their first kid, right? It all happened. Yes, yes. And it's my. The Andrew theme. I love that. That's the Andrew thing. So. So this guy, he's getting all these government subsidies and benefits for simply having a kid and being an illegal. And, you know, and here we are trying to do a good Christian thing, trying to help him out, and my tax dollars were already going to this, this gentleman and his newborn American citizen kid. It was pretty shocking actually, because I just thought, you know, that's kind of frustrating. Pretty frustrating that our labor and our toil is going to this guy. He's a nice guy, whatever. It's just. But the whole system's pretty frustrating like that. Blake. It's just, I think you articulate it well.

[Blake]

You know, they. Sometimes they'll just do like the two Americas thing. And there is, there's a lot of people in America who kind of like it's become a lifestyle to find different ways of being on the dole. And it's like people don't even occur, like obvious things. So you can, like, people will take, like, there's a pretty well developed economy for swapping, snap swapping EBT benefits for monetary equivalents, things that, you know, some small rate of depreciation on it and. Or like underground economies for selling shoplifted goods. There's places where it's just routine, like, oh, I can get this good cheaper because someone is going to shoplift it for me. People will make requests. They'll make requests for something to be shoplifted for them and then they'll buy it more cheaply. And there's this whole, you know, in the kind of the underclass of American life where this happens and having a nicer country, you can't just write off the underclass because everything's on a spectrum how nice your city is to live in is heavily dependent on how quality or low quality like your bottom 5% of people are. Are they just, you know, do they have lower end jobs or do they have no jobs at all? Are they basically like are the criminal people locked up or are they kind of allowed to roam freely and detach people? All of these things make a difference in how quality your life is. And, and you know the SNAP EBT stuff does matter. It matters a lot whether people on the lower end are purely kind of just living off government money or if they are working some kind of job.

[Host]

Well and in, in, in the vein of that. Let's play clip 329.

[EBT TikTok Narrator]

It's so crazy that the president have a felony. Your baby daddy had a felony but he can't handle job. And it. That's how the people got to be on food stamps. Cuz baby daddy can't get no job cuz he got felonies. And you know that requires you to go get on food stamps, right?

[Tyler]

Wait, felons. Wait, felons can get food stamps?

[Andrew]

I'm sure.

[Tyler]

I think.

[Andrew]

Well, she's getting the food stamps.

[Blake]

She was getting them. She's saying that her baby daddy can't get a job or some hypothetical baby dad. I'm not sure if it was hers specifically, but lots of.

[Andrew]

Well we saw this after, after Covid because Covid is just all subsidies galore. And by the way, and that was.

[Blake]

Another, that was another frenzy thing where it was oh we'll help your small business. And it pretty quickly the word got around of no one's seriously checking this make your super basic business that's you know, a limo service or something, you know, some sort of job that's like easy to have one employee, employee in and you can get $10,000 and it'll be written off later.

[Andrew]

Some of these guys.

[Blake]

And we see this in other things. Immigration is so full of that. You know, the word got out circa 2020 again with TikTok and everything. Do these things and you can get past the border patrol in the U.S. you know, say you're under 18 even if you're over. We have tons of accounts of 30 year olds ending up in high schools. You know, you can say one of these five stories will make you have a credible asylum claim and then you'll get a court hearing. It'll be a while from now and no one will follow up if you don't show up to it. So the word gets out on how to exploit the system. And in far too many things we have a system that Was basically the honor system. And you know, it might have worked when honor was. Was had a lot of currency in America and now it doesn't.

[Host]

Yeah. This is also, by the way, it gets us. It gets us back to the Mandami.

[Andrew]

Right?

[Host]

It gets us back. Because if we're going to import gimmigrans to this country, there's the song then. And who don't have that same sense of honor in their home cultures, who don't even have this. The concept of earning in their cultures because they only have a concept of obtaining and receiving and having or.

[Andrew]

Or you know, a grievance based or ideal taking. Right. You know, taking. Because why Europeans have. Have been such a vile scourge upon the world for so many centuries now that we have to take back what was then.

[Host]

All of these systems completely fall apart. However, however, there may be a little bit of a silver lining here, perhaps some hope, because this is going to flip the entire conversation around. Play Clip 122.

[Andrew]

This program is keeping a lot of.

[Host]

People unmarried, uneducated, don't want to, you.

[Andrew]

Know, do anything that will hinder their opportunity. There were their chance to lose their benefits. Only in America do we have people.

[Tyler]

That have 1200 iPhones checking to see.

[Andrew]

If their snap benefits hit. Anyone who's on welfare, not for a.

[Host]

Disability, but because they can't provide for.

[Blake]

Themselves, should not have the ability to.

[Host]

Vote in our society.

[EBT TikTok Narrator]

I don't have peas, but.

[Host]

There'S no.

[Andrew]

Way that I have kids and I'm.

[Host]

Waiting on somebody else to feel. So there you go. Perhaps, perhaps there's a silver lining that some people are actually pointing out that no, these programs are big problems. And we've. How many times did Charlie point out that when. That the Great Society program, which goes back to his much maligned criticism of LBJ's 1960s programs, has completely destroyed certain communities in this country by bringing in big government, which goes back to the original turning point slogan of Big gov sucks that you know, big government becomes dad and therefore you don't need dad. It destroys the families because it destroys your. It kind of destroys your ability or your incentive to behave responsibly. Right. So if. If the government's going to come in and backstop you on everything, then it creates moral hazard.

[Blake]

Right.

[Host]

Why would you behave responsibly if you know the government's just going to give you everything?

[Andrew]

Yeah.

[Host]

And they're all on iPhones. And I'm just gonna. And by the way, can I just say this? Okay. I'm just Gonna say it. I'm just gonna say it. None of them look particularly hungry to me. They don't. They don't look particularly needy. That's if you know what I'm saying.

[Blake]

You want a glowy brain thing. No one in America is actually like. No one starves to death in America, which is nice. Starvation was a thing that happened.

[Host]

I'm glad we don't live in many.

[Blake]

Countries in the past. America's main problem amongst young people is extreme obesity.

[Host]

Many of those countries, by the way, embrace the same policies of like, I don't know, Zora Mandani or Joseph Stalin.

[Blake]

Yeah. And, you know, we don't have starvation. And so, like, they always have to define it down. So now. Now they call it hunger. And if you dig into what they label as, you know, hunger, they'll talk about food insecurity. And it'll be things like a lot of people, they don't know where their next meal will come from. I don't know where my next meal is going to come from. My fridge is empty right now.

[Andrew]

Well, that's a particular, Blake.

[Blake]

Yeah, that's me being a weirdo.

[Andrew]

I think this is a good place to wrap up because if you insert this stuff into the culture, it's so difficult to extract it. And one of the things that I love when you talk about is you probably got some of this during the Great Depression and the New Deal. Right. Democrats. But then in the 60s, again, you had this new wave of government subsidies and handouts and welfare programs. Explain the difference between before and after the American psychology of what it meant to take welfare and the honor and the dishonor that that was. And then after how long did that.

[Blake]

One of the saddest things. One of the saddest things in hindsight to read is when they're rolling out the Great society, which is LBJ's big welfare state thing, they would run into the problem that a lot of Americans would, out of pride, refuse to sign up for government programs. It was considered shameful to go on the dole. And when you think of how immensely successful America was for so long, you've got to think a society where it is shameful to go on the dole is probably going to be more successful than one where there is no shame. When there's no shame about being dependent on other people is to be dependent on the collective, then people are more likely to do it. And when you do that, it. You know, it's a habit that you sink into. And one of the most important parts of maturity and that a lot of people realize when they grow up is you kind of. You become what you are based on what your habits are, what you do every single day. And if it is a habit, if it is a habit to take advantage of every way of getting free money, if it. Then it can become a habit to exploit this or to, you know, get as much of it as possible and to avoid other, like, more socially beneficial ways of making money. Like, in the long run, you just have a worse society, a worse country.

[Host]

But I'm just gonna like. It still comes back, though, to mass immigration because there are parts of the world where what we would consider scamming, what we would consider gaming the system, lying for benefit, are not necessarily considered shameful at all.

[Blake]

Yeah. Or at least certainly when abstracted out, a big thing that is not universal is this sort of sense of general obligations towards all of society or like the state apparatus. There are a lot of people who come from societies that are. That are insular and clannish and so you couldn't cheat your brother, your cousin, or tribal. Yeah. Your person who's in your. This came up a time in. But you can do anything to someone who's outside of that group. And that's. That's the historical norm. That's how probably everybody was 10,000 years ago. It was a rough process to change.

[Host]

One of my buddies who. Who was deployed to Afghanistan, I remember we were having this conversation just talking about the cultural differences, Eastern, Western, and he was saying that in America it's considered corrupt for you to like, hire your family and give, you know, from a government position and give them contracts and do. And take care of your family. That's because you're corrupt. In Afghanistan, if you don't hire your family and give them public contracts and public. Public funds, you'd be considered corrupt.

[Andrew]

Well, this. This is. This is. You're totally right about immigration because America, you talk about historic levels of excellence and success as a society, and we basically. Either it was hubris or it was ideological rot that was creeping in. And you talk about this with the. What do you call it? The Blue Banana, and maybe you can explain this, but essentially most of the world's progress and innovation has come from a very.

[Blake]

A very tiny slice.

[Andrew]

Very tiny slice of civilization.

[Blake]

Yeah. I think the Blue Banana is specifically like an area of high urbanization, but you don't need to zoom it out a lot.

[Andrew]

And it's that it's basically London.

[Host]

This is the London.

[Blake]

Yeah, it's like London to London to.

[Andrew]

Florence Basically London, you can, you can track most of the good things in the world from this region. A lot.

[Blake]

Yeah, just a huge amount of huge.

[Andrew]

But, but basically instead of going with, with, with respect, we're not going to screw these places up because they're too precious to humanity. We go, let's just import a bunch of people that have no idea what the heck that culture is or where it came from.

[Blake]

Some of this is self inflicted because one of the trades traits of sort of that is like a universalizing outlook on life and a persistent, a persistent arrogance of a lot of it's arrogance.

[Andrew]

That's what it is.

[Blake]

Like you know, historically like English, German, like European peoples is sort of the assumption that everyone is innately like them. This is still a critique we make of liberals. They like assume everyone in the world is sort of a, you know, Brooklyn liberal waiting to like come out after you like chip away at everything.

[Andrew]

Yeah, well that is kind of the liberal assumption that people are inherently good.

[Blake]

People are inherently good.

[Andrew]

And that is biblical. Biblical is that we were made good and that we fell and that there's evil in the world and then we need to sort of repent from the evil. You know, that is actually the biblical view of human nature is that we were made good, made in God's image. But then there is a fall, evil's inserted in the world so you have to deal with evil. This is why we have police, this is why we have locks on our door. This is why the 2A crowd is ascendant really. But here's the point though. America is kind of like in the 20th century, maybe even the 19th century is the blue banana writ large. It is, it's sort of like the innovation came from this country. And instead of having a respect for the primordial goo that makes up this country, the foundational elements, the societal core, the culture and the character.

[Host]

It's.

[Andrew]

We've just said, oh screw it, we're gonna open the doors and throw open the doors.

[Blake]

There's a line I think from some French leftist, but I can't remember for sure that is like behind any great fortune is a great crime. And this is basically a very third world outlook to have fun world that is zero sum is a world where there is not like progress and industry and Right. Modern stuff. And it kind of is a world that often makes sense if you're from a backward society. Yeah. If you're from a society where everyone is kind of roughly equally leveled and all of your wealth just sort of probably this is being a Renter, like an owner. Like, yeah, you might have to do something pretty bad to get a great fortune.

[Host]

This is like an idiotic book. Guns, germs, and steel. Was it Jared Diamond?

[Andrew]

Jared Diamond?

[Host]

Jared, that is so stupid.

[Blake]

In real life, it's like, okay, actually, no. If you wanted behind a great fortune, if you're. If you're in America in 1955, what's behind your fortune? Probably that you or someone in your family developed and created something of enormous value to millions of people. So you enhanced the Bessemer process for developing steel. You figured out a way to sell ice cream to millions of people, and you could make it in a factory.

[Andrew]

There's the Blue Banana, by the way.

[Blake]

It's innately that, like, wealth coming from value creation, and the more value you create, the more benefits that accrue to you. And that is the winning combination. That worked in America at its peak. That worked in the UK at its peak. That works in a lot of countries when they're peaking. And it's actually why, you know, China is rising now. China's gotten better at adding value to things.

[Andrew]

That's why Charlie loved Elon Musk, candidly, because instead of making wealth selling financial instruments and pieces of paper and finding a way to exploit or predict the market, he's actually making physical objects.

[Blake]

He developed an incredibly innovative electric car.

[Andrew]

Car. I have one.

[Host]

Developed.

[Blake]

Incredibly innovative. You know, he is like, I'm gonna build rockets, and I'm gonna make them affordable, and I'm gonna put the Internet in space. Like, it was almost an accident, a side effect. A. Oh, we need to figure out how to make money off of this. That he puts thousands of satellites in orbit, and now. Oh, you can actually just get WI fi anywhere on Earth.

[Andrew]

I need you to explain this to me. Apparently, now there's a yellow and green banana.

[Blake]

Oh, they're making new bananas all the time.

[Andrew]

This feels very leftist.

[Host]

Yeah, yeah.

[Andrew]

Where they have to be because of the incorporating.

[Host]

No, no, because it's. It's because industrialization and urbanization has spread across Europe now from the original Blue Banana.

[Andrew]

All right, Blake, do you have an answer here? Are you still.

[Blake]

Well, I'm looking now. My screen is.

[Host]

I've done the original definition of the.

[Andrew]

Blue Banana was throw it up when you have it studio. But we should. We should wrap it.

[Tyler]

Yeah.

[Blake]

Well, so part of this, by the way, the reason I flag that is the Blue Banana is actually mostly historically, like, urbanized zone. That's always been very high population density. And so now you have these other big Cities is what's going on there. But it also. That historical Blue banana is also just. If you look at you, you know, you can read the history of European science and industry and philosophy and all the big innovations and they just come. It's not even. They come from Europe. They come from a remarkably narrow slice of.

[Host]

Why isn't like.

[Blake]

Why isn't not many.

[Host]

Why isn't Rome in it?

[Blake]

I mean, Rome actually hasn't been that great since Rome.

[Andrew]

Rome is where the churches held back innovation.

[Blake]

Northern Italy is. Is where like the really dynamic scientist types are coming from. And yeah, like Gal.

[Tyler]

Has anyone here.

[Blake]

He works in Pisa, I think.

[Tyler]

Has anyone here actually had a real blue banana, though? Those things are supposed to be delicious.

[Blake]

That's a thing?

[Host]

No, I think I may have in Guam.

[Tyler]

It's called a blue Java banana.

[Host]

Yeah.

[Blake]

I think when I was in Galileo, born in Pisa.

[Tyler]

Wait, time out, time out. This is really important.

[Host]

I want to talk about my time in Asia more and all the. The things I experience.

[EBT TikTok Narrator]

It's.

[Tyler]

It allegedly tastes like vanilla ice cream. I. I really want.

[Host]

They're really excited. The one that I had in Guam did not taste like vanilla ice cream.

[Andrew]

I've never heard of this.

[Tyler]

No, they're called. Look it up.

[Host]

I have blue Java banana, more of like maroon.

[Tyler]

A blue java. And you keep talking about bananas.

[Andrew]

We have to wrap now.

[Tyler]

The blue java bananas.

[Andrew]

Here's the deal. Here's the deal. We had to do this thought crime to cleanse ourselves of many things, including the election, some of the. Some of the controversy.

[Tyler]

Except for Arizona.

[Andrew]

Except for Arizona. Well done. Turning point action. And in New Hampshire. You want to take us home?

[Host]

No, I think. I think we learned a lot. I think tonight was a good conversation. I think tonight we had some important conversations. EBT is a tick tock, by the way. That's on Twitter. So give them. I have no idea who runs it. Give them a follow. That looks like a great account. I. I love these like.

[Tyler]

And cart.

[Host]

Narcs archive. Cart Narcs. Is that what it's called?

[Andrew]

Yeah.

[Host]

Oh, I love that name. And by. Oh, by the way, throw it up. 3, 4, 2 for. For Tyler. There we go.

[Andrew]

There she is.

[Host]

Arizona Rhino patrolled Dorian Taylor is now on the Mesa City Council.

[Tyler]

Yeah, it's great.

[Host]

That's great job.

[Andrew]

It's a big win. It's a big one because guess what? Yeah, if, if that. If she wouldn't have won. Do you have any idea? We had Politico, New York Times, all these people, they would have. They would have just stomped all over it.

[Tyler]

The New York Times following, they were.

[Host]

Making a referendum turning point action.

[Andrew]

They would. They absolutely would have used it as an opportunity to tarnish Charlie. So God. God was watching out.

[Host]

And, guys, if we could play the. And as. As we go out, could we just play the new theme song of th crime? I need it louder. I need it louder. I need more. I need more. Let's get it up.

[Andrew]

Charlie would. Would. Would force us to go out on classical music. You know he will.

[Tyler]

I think Charlie liked tika Ma.

[Andrew]

I think everybody likes tika. It's an export. It's an export from the blue Banana.

[Host]

Ladies and gentlemen, as always, go out.

[Blake]

There, commit more thought crime.