THOUGHTCRIME Ep. 105 — Woman-Free Miitary? End All H-1Bs? Christmas Decorations?

Summary

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Human Events Daily with Jack Posobiec

Thoughtcrime Ep. 105 — Woman-Free Military? End All H-1Bs? Christmas Decorations?
Original Air Date: November 15, 2025
Featuring: Jack Posobiec (host, remote); Blake Neff; Cliff Maloney; Mikey McCoy; Faz

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Episode Overview

This lively and irreverent roundtable episode spans hot-button and offbeat issues: U.S. time zones and Daylight Saving Time (DST), the H-1B skilled worker visa debate and its effects on American labor and education, the roles of women and gender in the military and police forces, health trends and masculinity memes, and—inevitably—a heated argument over the ethics (and timing) of Christmas decorations. Throughout, the hosts mix policy dialogue with culture war banter, inside jokes, and memes, all in the show's signature snarky, populist tone.

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Main Themes & Key Discussion Points

1. Time Zones, Daylight Saving, & Cultural Geography (00:00–16:30)

- East Coast Superiority and DST Abolition

• Jack Posobiec launches a running riff on the "supremacy" of Eastern time, calling for it to become the global standard.
  • “Eastern Standard Time is the best time zone. Not only should east coast time be the standard time for America, it should be a standard time for the world. Steal Greenwich Mean Time away from London. London's time is over.” (02:09)
• Blake Neff argues for Arizona’s permanent standard time as the nation's model, decrying DST as an “affront to God and man.”
  • “The best time zone is pretty simple. It’s Arizona time because it is the only time zone in America that is never on daylight saving time, which is, you know, this person blight upon the peoples of this earth.” (04:00)
• The group riffs on the cultural oddities and administrative headaches of time zones, DST, and the oddities of states split between zones.

- DST Mythbusting: Farmers and History

• Blake Neff passionately debunks the myth that DST benefits farmers, blaming its spread on “evil people like Woodrow Wilson.”
  • “If you’ve ever talked to a farmer … they work with the natural world, which was created by God. And do cows know that the time zone has changed? No.” (12:07)
  • “Daylight Savings Time really has no effect on the farmers. … It was created during World War I by evil people like Woodrow Wilson, and then it was brought back by other evil people like Franklin Roosevelt.” (12:50)
• The group shares quirky U.S. map trivia and laments the bureaucracy and confusion of time changes.

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2. H-1B Visas, Skilled Worker Immigration, and the "Great Replacement" Debate (16:43–38:08)

- Trump’s H-1B Comments & Base Uprising

• The crew reacts to Donald Trump's ambiguous Fox interview regarding H-1B visas.
• Cliff Maloney and Blake Neff note grassroots anger over perceived Republican softness: "Some MAGA supporters are in uproar over Trump’s H-1B visa comments." (19:36)

- H-1B System Criticisms: Wage Suppression, Education, & Cultural Shifts

• Blake Neff offers a detailed critique, arguing the system devalues American labor, erodes incentives for Americans to pursue technical fields, and warps campus and corporate culture:
  • "The truth is, America does have a talent issue. The problem is, it's actually significantly created by H1Bs... A reason not as many people are going into STEM fields as you'd call it, is like we lowered the wages for it because we brought in so many H1Bs..." (20:57)
  • "We just massively borked our own skill pipeline... The America that landed a man on the moon… 95 plus percent of that workforce was grown in America, and we have a perfectly smart population to continue doing that. We just chose not to." (22:33)
• Mikey McCoy and Faz validate the alienating effect of campus demographics for American-born students, with Faz recalling his own "all-Chinese student" trajectory at UC Berkeley. (24:11)

- H-1B Demographics & the Populist Reaction

• 70% of H-1B visas go to Indians, 10–15% to Chinese nationals; the crew jokes and riffs about stereotypes.
• Jack Posobiec lampoons the corporate GOP's fixation on GDP:
  • "Conservatives actually care about conserving anything other than the GDP… The GDP is not a real thing... worship of the GDP is going to destroy the Republican Party, the conservative movement, the MAGA movement, and ultimately the United States of America.” (31:02)

- Entry-Level Job Crisis, Training, and Military Analogy

• Neff argues that H-1Bs and the broken college-job pipeline make American entry-level jobs scarce, while corporate training evaporates. He notes military aptitude testing and training as a better model for technical workforce development. (36:39)

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3. Education Failures, Culture, and the Role of Universities (39:15–54:07)

- College "Scam" and the Decline of Standards

• The crew rails against the decline of U.S. educational standards, citing UCSD freshmen struggling with elementary math (e.g., rounding, fractional subtraction) despite attending a "top five" public university.
• Blake Neff ascribes much of this to university administrators’ pursuit of demographics over merit and heavy reliance on foreign, often full-pay, students ("the college scam"). (42:55)
• Cliff Maloney shares a personal anecdote highlighting a cultural difference in educational discipline:
  • “His parents were very happy to see me, but they made it very clear that he was not to be interrupted until his homework was done and he had to finish the homework before he could eat. And I just, that, that was such a cultural moment for me.” (44:22)

- The Question: "Can We Reform the Institutions?"

• Blake Neff advocates for the “great cleansing” of U.S. higher education:
  • "A large number of universities and colleges just should be obliterated. They have become an absolute parasite upon the American body politic." (51:21)
• Others debate whether reform or "burn it down" is necessary, with most agreeing de-funding is key.

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4. Health Memes, Masculinity, and Woo-Woo Culture (54:07–69:08)

- Room Temperature, Testosterone Jokes & Cold Plunges

• Playful debate: Is 68°F “high T” while 72°F is “low T”? Mikey's preference for 72°F is roundly mocked.
  • “High temperature is low T behavior.” – Jack Posobiec (57:47)
• Discussion veers into health trends: cold plunges, cryotherapy, and hot sauce, with Blake Neff dismissing most as “woo-woo."
  • “All of these things are memes because people … want to think there’s these super hacks that they can do... You just have to do the basics. Hit your freaking protein thresholds. Lift weights.” (67:16)

- Hair Loss, Health, and First-World Problems

• Jokes about hair transplants (“Send Blake and Cliff down to TJ for the hair transplant!” – Jack, 68:24) and the foibles of airline travel for tall men (62:15).

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5. Women in the Military and Police: The Role of Gender in Armed Service (71:57–89:04)

- Reaction to Pete Hegseth and “Woman-Free” Military

• CNN is lampooned for hyperbolically claiming Hegseth wants to “push women almost completely out of the top ranks of the military.” (72:38)
• Jack Posobiec clarifies the real point: eliminate political correctness and gender quotas, not women per se. Then pushes for a single combat standard:
  • “If you’re going to be in the infantry … you’ve got to have the same standards. … If you can’t lift a 200-pound man who’s loaded with 100 pounds of gear … you’re a liability.” (74:27)

- Beyond Standards: The Case for Male-Only Combat

• Blake Neff pushes further, citing historical precedent and Jim Webb’s famed 1979 essay “Women Can’t Fight”:
  • “I do think there’s actually probably something wrong with having women in the military generally outside of like truly auxiliary roles... 100% male institutions have a certain dynamic to them that you lose once you’re introducing women... we’ve removed our ability to conceptualize what used to be obvious, which is just the military should be an all-male institution for the most part.” (75:56-86:46)

- Extension to Law Enforcement

• The panel briefly applies the same merit standard to police, expressing concern that weaker officers—of any gender—are more likely to resort to weapons.
  • “A beat cop should basically be able to beat up maybe like at least at the 85th percentile of the people they’re going to encounter...” (87:04)

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6. Christmas Decorations, Cultural Tradition, and "The War on Thanksgiving" (93:02–End)

- The Christmas Decor Debate

• When is it acceptable to put up Christmas lights? The panel divides:
  • Jack Posobiec: After Advent/Thanksgiving (“You are erasing Thanksgiving!” 93:53)
  • Faz & Mikey: November 1st or earlier brings necessary joy
• Heated discussion over whether early decorating is a corporate/consumerist perversion, regional (cold weather) nostalgia, or a needed morale booster.

- Black Friday, "Cuffing Season", and American Rituals

• The crew links Black Friday as the "true" start of the Christmas season and riffs on “cuffing season” (pairing off for the winter holidays).
• Blake Neff lands the argument with:
  • “If Christmas is so great, why don’t you just have the Christmas decorations up all year?” (100:46)

- Holiday Music, Parades, and Irony

• The show closes as irreverently as it began, with references to the supposed “rape undertones” of “Baby, It’s Cold Outside” and a suggestion that the explicit song “WAP” could be a Thanksgiving anthem (106:16).
• A heartfelt listener message thanks the show for bringing joy during long night shifts, to which Mikey and Cliff respond with gratitude (103:59).

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments (with Timestamps)

• Jack Posobiec on time zones:
  “Eastern Standard Time is the best time zone. Not only should east coast time be the standard time for America, it should be a standard time for the world. Steal Greenwich Mean Time away from London. London's time is over.” (02:09)

• Blake Neff, mythbusting DST:
  “If you’ve ever talked to a farmer … they work with the natural world, which was created by God. And do cows know that the time zone has changed? No.” (12:07)

• Blake Neff on H-1B-induced brain drain:
  “A reason not as many people are going into STEM fields…is like we lowered the wages for it because we brought in so many H1Bs…” (20:57)

• Jack Posobiec slams GDP worship:
  “The GDP doesn't even exist. … The GDP is not a real thing. Like, it's literally not real, bro.” (31:02)

• On declining college standards:
  “UCSD is ranked as the nation’s fifth best public university, and so 25 per [cent] of students got this problem wrong: seven plus two equals blank plus six.” (45:18)

• Blake Neff, on university reform:
  “A large number of universities and colleges just should be obliterated. They have become an absolute parasite upon the American body politic.” (51:21)

• Temperature as a marker of masculinity:
  “High temperature is low T behavior.” – Jack Posobiec (57:47)

• On women in the military:
  “If you got to pull your buddy out from under fire and you can’t lift a 200-pound man…then guess what? You’re a liability.” – Jack Posobiec (74:27)
  “I think you do lose something once you have women in the infantry…even if they can pass a certain physical qualification.” – Blake Neff (75:56)

• Listener shoutout:
  “Guys, y’all don’t even know how much joy this show brings to my night. I am working almost every day until 1am it makes my week. All I can say is thank you.” (103:59)

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Segment Timestamps for Quick Reference

• 00:00–16:30 — Time zones, DST, and U.S. geography
• 16:43–38:08 — H-1B visas debate, effects on labor and education
• 39:15–54:07 — Decline in college standards and cultural differences
• 54:07–69:08 — Health fads, masculinity, tall-guy travel struggles
• 71:57–89:04 — Women in the military and police; Jim Webb essay
• 93:02–End — Christmas decorations debate and the "war on Thanksgiving"

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Final Thoughts

“Thoughtcrime” 105 is classic Human Events: rowdy, meme-laden, and unfiltered. Cultural policy debates morph seamlessly into inside jokes, audience shout-outs, and memes, all while sticking to a pro-America, anti-woke, anti-globalist perspective. Whether it's the debate over DST, universities’ worth, or who gets to serve in the infantry (and when to hang up your lights), the episode delivers a satisfying blend of irreverent banter and blunt populist commentary.

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(End of summary.)

Transcript

[Blake Neff]

From the age of Big Brother.

[Cliff Maloney]

If they want to get you, they'll get you.

[Blake Neff]

The NSA specifically targets the communications of everyone. They're collecting your communications.

[Mikey McCoy]

All right, welcome to Thursday's Thought Crime. And we have Cliff Maloney in the house in the. In the. Not in the big house, but the house in the studio. You could be in a big house.

[Cliff Maloney]

It's great to be here.

[Mikey McCoy]

We got Mikey McCoy also in studio.

[Blake Neff]

A lot of people from Pennsylvania are in a big house.

[Mikey McCoy]

That is true. It's. It's a. It's a national pastime of you Pennsylvanians, but that's fine. We also have Blake Neff. He's in studio in D.C. and then we have Jack Posobic in an undisclosed bunker. That's about all I'm going to say about that.

[Cliff Maloney]

He's on assignment.

[Mikey McCoy]

Yeah, you're on assignment in an undisclosed location. Jack Posobic, welcome.

[Jack Posobiec]

You mean an undisclosed location somewhere near California. I'm going to be asking a lot of questions. I want to have them answered immediately.

[Mikey McCoy]

Are you running a bot farm in Eastern Europe?

[Jack Posobiec]

Who is your daddy and what does he do? Yes, yes. I'm not running a bot farm. Don't look at my bot farm. Not ask questions about farm of bots.

[Mikey McCoy]

Is this a Romanian thing? That's what I've heard.

[Jack Posobiec]

Not as questions about Romania.

[Mikey McCoy]

Well, we have a new time here, so we want to hear from you guys in the audience what you think about the new time. Do you like the new time? Do you hate the new time? Are you more likely to watch in the new time, or are you less likely to watch? And if you are less likely to watch, we don't actually want to hear that. We just want to hear the positive feedback. No, I'm kidding. We want to hear it all. Because this time works a lot better for a lot of reasons, especially when Jack is East Coast. We're on Mountain time now in Arizona. Mountain time. And you're often on Pacific time, aren't you?

[Cliff Maloney]

Correct.

[Mikey McCoy]

Which is tricky, especially when you have media. Jack, do you want to say. Yeah, get us started.

[Jack Posobiec]

Since we're going to bring it up. Since we're going to bring it up. Since we're going to bring it up, east coast time is the best time period. There's no question about this. Eastern Standard Time is the best time zone. Look, east coast is basically like. That's basically like caffeine and Adderall and cocaine and like. Like just. You just drive the world. When you live in the east coast, you're in that, like, that New York, Philly, D.C. florida Vector. You're driving the world. Not only should east coast time be the, the standard time for America, it should be a standard time for the world. Steal a Greenwich meantime away from London. London's time is over. It is time for east coast supremacy.

[Cliff Maloney]

We have a rule at Citizens alliance that eastern time is the Lord's time.

[Mikey McCoy]

I don't know about that. I will say, you know, I. What gets, what does not get enough respect is central time or mountain time because then you're kind of like splitting the difference.

[Jack Posobiec]

Central time doesn't deserve any respect.

[Mikey McCoy]

Well, I'm just saying from a quality of life standpoint, it's not as bad as you'd think because you know, at least you are roughly on the same time zone as the East Coast. You, you're just one hour behind. So it's not like terrible if you have to do east coast timing things, but if you got west coast games when like the Dodgers are in the World Series and you're watching the World Series on west coast time, there's not be so late at night, even when.

[Cliff Maloney]

They announce it, they say the game's at 8 Eastern, 5 Pacific. They just skip over everything else time zone.

[Jack Posobiec]

But I, Cliff, Cliff, go with me on this. Imagine if all the, all the west coast stoners had to wake up before the East Coast. The, they would have no idea what to do. They would have, they would be clueless, they would be rudderless. They need the firm steely eyed hand of the east coast to set the.

[Mikey McCoy]

Way with all the like bad complexions.

[Faz]

The best.

[Mikey McCoy]

Never seeing the sun.

[Blake Neff]

The best time zone. The best time zone is pretty simple. It's Arizona time because it is the only time zone in America that is never on daylight savings time, which is, you know, this person blight upon the peoples of this earth.

[Mikey McCoy]

We could solve on this issue.

[Jack Posobiec]

We certainly could.

[Mikey McCoy]

I'm evolved, I'm evolved on this issue. As you know, Barack Obama said about gay marriage. I've, I've evolved on this issue, guys. And I actually do think standard time is, is probably the right time. Blake convinced me on this. It's a Blake thing. Jack had nothing to do with it.

[Jack Posobiec]

No, Blake convinced me first. But you know, it was funny because like I had Politico was like writing this up at one point. Did you know there's actually like a foundation for keeping, keeping us getting rid of all the daylight savings time? And they were like sending stuff to me and they were like retweet our stuff. And I was like, hey, this is pretty good. And, you know, they were like, pulling up like. Like Bible quotes and different health studies.

[Cliff Maloney]

There are political action committees dedicated to this issue.

[Jack Posobiec]

Yeah. And then Politico wrote it up and they. They came and they were like, did. Did Donald Trump tell you to start tweeting about getting rid of daylight savings time? And I was like, no, but someone did. And they're like, who? Blake Neff?

[Mikey McCoy]

Like, who is this? Who is this? Blake Neff. Blake. Funny.

[Jack Posobiec]

Didn't report that part.

[Mikey McCoy]

So here, Here's a question for Blake. So you were living on the east coast and then you joined the Charlie Kirk show and you moved to permanently standard time. What was that transition like for you? Did you like it?

[Blake Neff]

Well, what's. I liked it. Overall. I do like a kind of funny thing, an artifact of me moving out is I actually still have my computer on Eastern time because the show is on Eastern time. Keeps me from getting messed up. Keeps me from getting messed up if I fly somewhere. And I just, I always basically intuitively know, you know, let's just pay attention. What time is it in D.C. because that's where, you know, most things are going on. That's where the showtime is always on. I do like things generally happening earlier in Arizona. I do think there's this, like, psychotic need to keep everything very late at night out East. So I kind of like that the super bowl begins as an afternoon event. I like that the NFL basically is rolling as soon as, like, church is over. Even if I go early in the morning. Yeah, I'm just kind of becoming a sucker for all these things that happen early in the day, which is accentuated by the traitor.

[Jack Posobiec]

That traitor to the east coast.

[Blake Neff]

Side that we don't have devilish Cliff. We don't have devilish Daylight savings time in Arizona. So the sun is rising in the morning, as it should, and then it is setting in the evening when we should be preparing to sleep.

[Jack Posobiec]

That's correct.

[Blake Neff]

And so all things are in alignment under Arizona time. Whereas the east coast goes. And they rebel against God because they hate God on the East Coast. And so they keep sun up later and the West Coast. And then they have dinner. They have dinner at 9pm One at a time.

[Mikey McCoy]

What are.

[Blake Neff]

They want to stay up late. They want to stay at one last thing Arizona is. They want to stay up late. They want to stay up late on the east coast because they want to watch late night television shows like Jimmy Kimmel that are on very late at night. And this is just part of their general evil dynamic on The east coast.

[Cliff Maloney]

So.

[Jack Posobiec]

And yet it's broadcast from the west Coast. Blake.

[Mikey McCoy]

Yes.

[Jack Posobiec]

That's a little flying.

[Blake Neff]

It doesn't matter. They air late at night for their east coast audience. It's not where it is recorded hoarded. It's spiritually. Where is the show base.

[Mikey McCoy]

Yeah. So many holes in this argument.

[Jack Posobiec]

So many holes.

[Mikey McCoy]

I will cheese argument over here when I go to like New York or D.C. and the, the just the late night of it all is really like an adjustment. Like people on the east coast stay up way later as a general cultural trend than we do on the west coast. And I don't love it. I don't love it.

[Jack Posobiec]

No, like, like, like when I'm. You're texting me, it's nine o' clock your time, it's midnight my time. I'm still up. And then I'm hitting that. Wake up, pray up, GM. Christ is King. That's 6:45am you gotta roll. You gotta roll.

[Mikey McCoy]

Listen, you know what's funny though? I just looked at our graphic throw up 3:42. This is hilarious to me. So we. Because you know the show graphic was made in mountain time. They, they, they include a 4pm mount. Like nobody ever includes MT. And I just noticed that 4pm there.

[Jack Posobiec]

Were people in the comments who were actually like correcting it and because people are like, why? What is this?

[Mikey McCoy]

Like who puts in the graphic? I don't know who on our team did this.

[Blake Neff]

The funny thing, like how many states are in caused Quite a few. It's a pretty. You know, there's like, there's like a lot of states out there.

[Jack Posobiec]

Although a funny thing, there's a few.

[Blake Neff]

That happens with mt. A funny thing, if you really want to be intensely pedantic and I think it's caused issues before when we schedule things is, you know, we'll send out those emails when we. For like when we're doing the AMA with subscribers. And technically even when we're on Pacific time due to daylight savings time being practiced in the heathen lands, we're just always on Mountain Standard Time. That is the official time in Arizona. We're not going back and forth between mountain and Pacific. It's just we're always on MST Mountain Standard Time. And this totally bamboozles people. This causes no, no end of trouble. Which could all be eliminated if we eliminated the heathen daylight savings time and its rebellion against God, which is the cause of most natural disasters in the United States.

[Faz]

I just have this vision of Blake like winning the lottery and spending all of the money on lobbying the U.S. government, everything. Like Arizona. But Blake, you said. I thought Hawaii also doesn't do time change.

[Blake Neff]

I think they do. I'm pretty sure Arizona is the only one.

[Faz]

Oh, no, I think it's Hawaii and Arizona.

[Blake Neff]

Maybe Hawaii change. Did Hawaii. That would explain why Hawaii doesn't have bad things happen to it even though they're really lit.

[Mikey McCoy]

Wait, it just almost burned down Maui. But that's fine. Basically did. But hey, throw up this image, okay.

[Blake Neff]

Hawaii doesn't observe it.

[Mikey McCoy]

You asked a question. You asked a question. We're going to answer it. Look at 343. It's a pretty good map. 343. So you got Arizona, which is on mountain time, like part of the time, what we would consider mountain time. You got New Mexico. You've even got western Texas. Like, so where El Paso is. Is on. And then you've got Colorado, Utah, Wyoming, Idaho, eastern Oregon. I had no idea. Only part of Idaho is on mountain time. And then the. The northern part of Idaho goes back to Pacific time. All of Montana, southwestern North Dakota, western South Dakota, western Nebraska and western Kansas. This is a. I had no idea it was this elaborate. Is this like, news to anybody else? Like, I will say this.

[Cliff Maloney]

Traveling as much as all of us do.

[Mikey McCoy]

It is.

[Cliff Maloney]

You know, it is funny. I'm actually interested. Do you guys all keep your computer in a certain time zone? My rule is my computer stays in eastern.

[Jack Posobiec]

I keep them in America's time zone, which is Eastern time zone.

[Mikey McCoy]

Okay. The Lord's time. Okay, Jack, my favorite thing. Wawa and your tasty cakes and your.

[Cliff Maloney]

Don't get me excited.

[Jack Posobiec]

My Philadelphia Eagles, the United States super bowl champions.

[Mikey McCoy]

Is that going to happen again?

[Cliff Maloney]

I hope bad juju when we come here because they lost here.

[Blake Neff]

No, it's not going to happen. No, I will. Before we move on, we have. We should move on to our official topic in a second. But I do Just JustFreedom. We have our live chat now and Just JustFreedom says that we have daylight savings time to help farmers. And I need to. I need to wage war upon the Smith because it is not true. If you've ever talked to a farmer, they. They can't follow daylight savings time because what do farmers work with? They work with the natural world, which was created by God. And do cows know that the time zone has changed? No. The cows are going to do their cow stuff at the same time. Solar. The same solar time. So if you have to do something at sunrise, you just have to do something at sunrise. If you have to do something before the sun goes down. They're just going to do it regardless. So Daylight Savings Time really has no effect on the farmers. It was created during World War I by evil people like Woodrow Wilson, and then it was brought back by other evil people like Franklin Roosevelt.

[Mikey McCoy]

Wait.

[Blake Neff]

And now we just perpetually live in slavery under what they've created.

[Mikey McCoy]

Wait. I had. I did not know that Woodrow Wilson. It was original Daylight Savings Time originated.

[Blake Neff]

It was the original idea for it. The original idea for it was during World War I. And they thought it. They thought it could save some energy and like, they could. I think it was like, they thought it would improve wartime production and something like that. I can't remember the exact nature of it, but it originally began in World War I as a wartime measure. And then they brought it back. I'm not making this up. They brought it back during the Great Depression because FDR thought that there would be more shopping if there was more daylight. And this would stimulate the economy.

[Cliff Maloney]

Let me throw out one cool factoid. Florida is not all in eastern time. Parts of Florida in central.

[Blake Neff]

Yeah, yeah, we.

[Cliff Maloney]

That's how, you know, because we learned.

[Blake Neff]

That every year during the election.

[Cliff Maloney]

I figured the elector election folks would. Would remember this, but they count, obviously, the first half. And then you've got a little piece of the panhandle.

[Mikey McCoy]

Yeah, it's a panhandle that covers it.

[Cliff Maloney]

But that's how. How wide the panhandle is that it dips in the central time zone. I knew that because I went to Destin and I kept showing up an hour late to phone calls. And I had no idea that there was a central time zone in Florida.

[Mikey McCoy]

You know what? I do feel bad for the states that are like cut in half. Right. Because you've got Tennessee. Eastern Tennessee is on eastern. Western Tennessee is on central. Eastern Kentucky, Eastern. Western Idaho, same thing. Indiana has parts of eastern. Parts of western. And did you know that the farthest west that the east coast time goes is to the Upper Peninsula? But half of the Upper Peninsula is on east coast. Half of is on West Coast. Fascinating. Look at that.

[Cliff Maloney]

Cut out of Idaho. I mean, Idaho is really struggling. I mean, they literally just didn't have.

[Mikey McCoy]

To loop around what's going on. Oregon. I don't understand what's going on with that.

[Cliff Maloney]

Is that the conservative part of the state? Which part of Oregon? That's the conservative part. Yeah.

[Mikey McCoy]

There's literally only one part that's not conservative. It's called Portland. Well, it Bend, you know, probably is, but the same With Washington, it's like Olympia, Tacoma, Seattle, liberal, everything else conservative.

[Jack Posobiec]

But can we just throw that map up again one more time? We stood up because I just want to look at my glorious east coast time zone. Oh, look at it. It's so good, so perfect, so wonderful. It's just. I mean.

[Faz]

What is that even saying?

[Cliff Maloney]

Play the Stephen A. When he went after Andrew.

[Mikey McCoy]

Hell yes.

[Jack Posobiec]

Well, Blake, Blake, can I at least get you to agree on this, that if we do start messing around the times at all, that we should also take. Take GMT away from London and make. Make us east coast time the sort of international standard for zero?

[Blake Neff]

I'm torn on that one because Britain is like benighted country that has become kind of third world. But GMT was created by Britain when it was a great country. And I don't know, it's like, I would rather GMT would still be GMT.

[Jack Posobiec]

Because it's Greenwich, because that's where Greenwich is. It's based on London. But what I'm saying is you make, you know, you. You just make, like, American. Like, ast, American Standard Time, and that's. Or American mean time, and that's east coast, and that's zero now. And force. Force everyone else to change their clocks off of us.

[Blake Neff]

Wouldn't we just still call it Greenwich Meridian Time and we just set it to, like, Greenwich, Connecticut?

[Cliff Maloney]

There you go.

[Mikey McCoy]

Now we're thinking, genius, Genius.

[Jack Posobiec]

This is why we have Blake. This is why we have a Blake.

[Blake Neff]

Solomon, like, wisdom over here on. On tap. All right, we should get in to the actual topics here. Which one do we want first?

[Jack Posobiec]

H1B. H1B. H1B.

[Blake Neff]

H1B. All right. Okay, we've got it. We've got to hit the H1B topic. Okay, so this blew up again. It's. It's kind of blown up cyclically over the past year, but it blew up again this week because President Trump had an interview with Laura Ingraham on Fox, and they hit a lot of different topics. But a big thing that came up was H1B's because a lot of people have said we should have an immigration freeze. We should radically cut back H1BS. For those who can't remember, H1BS are kind of the skilled. The most common skilled worker visa. So a company says there is some skill we can't fill in the US Market. We need to bring in someone from overseas. A lot of tech companies do this. Anyway, Laura asked President Trump about H1B visas, and this came up. Let's play clip 200 is never going.

[Cliff Maloney]

To be a country like what we have right now. And does that mean Republicans have to talk about it? And does that mean the H1B visa thing will not be a big priority for your administration? Because if you want to raise wages for American workers, you can't flood the country with, with tens of thousands or.

[Blake Neff]

Hundreds of thousands of foreign workers.

[Cliff Maloney]

Also do have to bring in talent when talented people.

[Mikey McCoy]

No, you don't. Ooh, no, you don't. And I love that. I love that. After that clip saying we don't have talent, it went straight to a full shot of Blake.

[Faz]

Imagine Blake being replaced with an Indian on this stream right now. This life we must make America, Arizona mountain time. I like you only pay me half. I work for half the dollar.

[Cliff Maloney]

You know, Mikey's got it going on when the whole control room is loose.

[Jack Posobiec]

This was the, this was the Mamdani theme song. Remember? This was the theme song that Mandani walked off of his. His.

[Cliff Maloney]

That can't be real. Is that real?

[Mikey McCoy]

Well, don't you know when they, when we award. Play the clip if you don't believe me. No, it is. It's true. When we award H1B. This is. Yeah. When we award H1BS to Indians, this is when we hand the piece of paper. That's the song that plays.

[Jack Posobiec]

That's the first song that he heard when he got.

[Faz]

This is what Mom Donnie wants for America.

[Mikey McCoy]

Yeah, we'll get the clip again.

[Jack Posobiec]

How's it go?

[Faz]

Well, I need the song again.

[Cliff Maloney]

How's it go?

[Mikey McCoy]

You should show.

[Jack Posobiec]

No, Mikey's got it down. I wanted to hear it.

[Faz]

The Mom Donnie theme.

[Mikey McCoy]

You got to do your mom interpretation. Autism alert. Okay. These studios having so much fun right now. Can you studio show my image does this. So from after that, the screen I have up right now after that happened, the, the conservative base lost their minds after this clip from Laura Trump, Laura Ingraham Rather. Now this ABC saying, where is my president? Some MAGA supporters are an uproar over Trump's H1B visa comments. So this, this is, I would say I got some of that feedback when we did the show the next day. It was like absolutely an uproar. The email, the emails were ugly for the Trump administration. And I think like, listen, if there's an opportunity where we could get rid of H1B altogether and maybe expand the genius visa but actually ensure that they're geniuses, I'd be more open minded to that conversation. But the way that the communication came off, it was kind of rough. It was kind of rough saying we don't have talent. Yes.

[Jack Posobiec]

We don't.

[Blake Neff]

We don't.

[Mikey McCoy]

No.

[Blake Neff]

But you know, it's genuinely interesting because the H1B has like bounced back and forth a lot. And like, the truth is, is America does have a talent issue. The problem is that it's actually significantly created by H1BS. And you know, there's a lot of good stuff pointing this out. Like a reason not as many people are going into STEM fields as you'd call it, is like we lowered the wages for it because we brought in so many H1Bs in certain fields. And another thing we did is we screwed up the education pipeline. Like for example, getting a PhD in something like computer science, something like physics, something engineering related. Way fewer Americans are getting PhDs in that. Why is one reason they do that? Well, a huge number of foreigners are willing to do those PhDs for like very low pay while you're getting the H. While you're getting the PhD. Well, why do they do that? Because you can come to the US study to get a PhD, and in addition to whatever money you're getting, you can get a visa to live and work in America at the end of it. And so effectively they get paid way more while they're studying because they're getting something hugely valuable, which is US citizenship or a path to citizenship as a side effect of it. So basically you've made it so you're getting paid way less if you're an American getting a PhD at a school in America. Same thing with the H1B thing. And on top of that, you know, we make it lower status because we've kind of signaled, oh, like certain fields are things tons of immigrants do. And you know, being a fresh off the boat immigrant worker is not as high status as, you know, working in various other high powered fields. So unsurprisingly, Americans have gone into jobs like finance, like law, like consulting, that have fewer immigrants in them. A lot of those jobs you need to know English a lot more fluently than you do in hard STEM fields. So we basically just massively borked our own skill pipeline. And then they turn around and they're like, oh, Americans just don't want to do these jobs, or Americans are too dumb to do these jobs. And it's like, no, we just actively screwed them up. And if you look at the America that landed a man on the moon, yeah, there were some immigrants who worked at NASA, there were some immigrants who worked on the Manhattan Project, but 95 plus percent of that workforce was grown in America, and we have a perfectly smart population to continue doing that. We just chose not to subscribe to my newsletter.

[Mikey McCoy]

Yeah, I actually totally agree with this, but I also. I think it's more like soft incentive structures. So, yeah, you could look at wages, you could look at this and that. But what's. Probably what I've seen and I've talked to. One of the things I would do when we'd go on these campus tours, I'd talk to people like, hey, why don't you pursue that? And some of the more honest kids would just be like, well, listen, like, it's all, like, Indians and Chinese kids that are in those classes. There's something about wanting to be around people that you recognize and that you relate to. And when you. When you want. As you're an American kid now, and you want to go be an engineer, you want to be a. You know, go into these STEM fields, and you look around, you're like, none of them are like me. It must not be for me. There's like. It's almost like a subconscious.

[Faz]

Yeah.

[Mikey McCoy]

Conclusion. You reach pretty immediately where like, this is not for me. Yeah.

[Faz]

I actually remember touring UC Berkeley as a rower, and I was. I was going around the campus and I remember eating at the dining hall, and it was just like, all Chinese students. And that went through my head. I was like, I don't know if I want to go here.

[Mikey McCoy]

I just.

[Faz]

This doesn't resonate with me. Like, these are literally all foreign, like, Chinese. It just doesn't feel like me.

[Mikey McCoy]

Yeah.

[Faz]

It's just not.

[Mikey McCoy]

It feels unamerican. It feels like you have to. Like you're studying abroad just at UC Berkeley. Yeah. I think that has more to do with it. Real quick here, though. Do you guys know the facts? 70% of H1B visa holders come from which country?

[Faz]

Where's the song?

[Mikey McCoy]

70%.

[Faz]

Let's get the number up to 80.

[Mikey McCoy]

I don't know. I don't think we have a song for this one. 10 to 15% of H1Bs come from China. China. Yep. Where's our. We have a China, China music that's not quite. Not quite big scaboos. And 80%.

[Jack Posobiec]

Just let me just say to. To anyone who thinks that the Chinese have the ability to take over. They're certainly not taking over this country. They're certainly not taking over this podcast. And another thing. What is that? Is that one of those soundboard things.

[Cliff Maloney]

When the control room is laughing that we can hear them through?

[Mikey McCoy]

The control room is out of Control.

[Jack Posobiec]

The soundboard is definitely killing all the bits we're trying to do tonight.

[Mikey McCoy]

Oh, gauntlet.

[Jack Posobiec]

Drone music is good, but yeah, like, the voices are not.

[Mikey McCoy]

Oh, well, Jack. Jack has spoken. It is hard to understand what those. Those sound effects are. So do we. How about this, though? J.D. vance is. I think he's sounding a better. A better tone, if you will. This is. It's a little bit longer clip. And that's all right. All right, let's go to clip.186 let in about a million legal immigrants into the United States of America every single year. And I think the evidence is pretty clear that a lot of those immigrants are actually undercutting the wages of American workers. It's one of the reasons why the President, United States. It's one of the reasons why the President, United States and a lot of us in the administration have encouraged H1B reform.

[Blake Neff]

Because if you look at the H1B.

[Mikey McCoy]

Visa, what it's supposed to be, what it's supposed to be is that you have a super genius who's studying at an American university, who's working at a great company. You want that super genius to stay in the United States of America and not go somewhere else. What it's actually used to do is.

[Blake Neff]

Hire an accountant at a 50% discount.

[Mikey McCoy]

To an American citizen.

[Blake Neff]

I don't think that we should be hiring accountants from foreign countries when we've got accountants right here in the United.

[Mikey McCoy]

States that would love to work for a good wage.

[Faz]

Always on the money.

[Mikey McCoy]

Huge.

[Jack Posobiec]

Let's go. End the scams, get it out and the scams.

[Mikey McCoy]

I think that's where we all kind of come on this issue, because you had Trump kind of sounding a different tone, but that was connected to this. 600,000 Chinese student visa holders also. And I have to read into this a little bit. So the timing of this interview and then. And then you have this press conference with Kash Patel, basically, was it the next day or two days after saying that China has agreed to cut off all these precursors to fentanyl. So the sympathetic reading here is that Trump was trying not to scuttle a deal that was in the process of happening and wanted to send friendly vibes to President Xi.

[Cliff Maloney]

Yeah, but I think you've got two different problems here, and that is the argument about, hey, do we want to have immigration for manual labor jobs, the jobs that actual Americans likely do not want to do right now? Will they adjust if they have to? Maybe. But I think JD's point, like, if we're talking about accountants. Like, that's a good paying job that Americans would be very happy to have. I just think they're two very different conversations. And I think JD understands how to package that in a way, because when people hear that, it's not, oh, hotel workers, it's not sanitation, it's not landscapers or farmers, it's legitimately, you know, somebody that's making close to six figures a year as an accountant.

[Mikey McCoy]

Well, but I think the base, and maybe Blake, Jack, you guys have a different take on this. I think the base is so sick of immigration that they just, they want, like, moratorium. Full, full moratorium. They want H1B is gone. They will. Even if I say genius visas, that's.

[Blake Neff]

That's a big part of it. It's that, like, yes, you can come up with a justification for almost everything they do. Yet we've heard these explanations for decades, and the clear long run result is basically great replacement and tons of scams and just this general displacement of the American people. And as I was saying, a lot of where we're dependent on immigration or immigrants are doing the jobs Americans won't do. It's like actively, because we brought in so many immigrants. Like, there's a recent, I saw a recent article where a ski resort is claiming they need to bring in foreign workers. I think guest workers in this case, to be ski bums at a ski mountain. Because no one in America is willing to ski, spend the winter skiing to be a ski bum. No one in America. And they'll probably do this for lifeguards at nice beaches because no one in America is willing to work as a lifeguard. We never had a super popular TV show about Americans doing exactly that. We have actively messed up so many pipelines into work. Like, you know, people will complain Americans don't do summer jobs anymore. And yet we've actively kind of foreignized all of the jobs that young workers would do. And we just, we like, messed everything up. And also we changed our college admissions so they require all this bs and you're not supposed to be working a job. You're supposed to be doing your BS for college admissions. It's just absolute lunacy. And like, you look at that and say, yeah, sorry, we've gotten addicted to this bad thing. The way you fix the addiction is you go cold turkey. We got hooked on the heroin of the heroin of Hindus, I guess in the case of H1BS.

[Cliff Maloney]

Yeah. And it's literally like.

[Jack Posobiec]

It'S, It's. Well, I guess you would say poppy, in that case. But it's. It's literally just like we've become worshippers of the gdp. Like, do conservatives actually care about conserving anything other than the gdp, like the social order or the social fabric or patriotism or our Christian background or our heritage or any of these things? Like, like, you talk to some of these guys, it's literally. They're like, oh, gdp, gdp, gdp. First of all, the GDP doesn't even exist. It's like. It's like an economic model. It's not like a theory. You can't go out and, like, take your portion of the GDP and invest it in the stock exchange. The GDP is not a real thing. Thing. Like, it's. It's literally. It's literally not real, bro. So, you know what is real is economic conditions. You know what else is real is quality of life and cost of living. And all of these things are real. And the GDP is not. There are certain businesses that are doing well. There are certain segments of the population that are doing well, typically older segments. But no, it is not good for everybody out there. And worship of the GDP is going to destroy the Republican Party, the conservative movement, the MAGA movement, and ultimately the United States of America. And I just want to be very clear about this while.

[Mikey McCoy]

Bull.

[Blake Neff]

Die.

[Mikey McCoy]

Who?

[Jack Posobiec]

Jingji. Sure. Fu Bong Quay. So just to make sure everyone understands that.

[Cliff Maloney]

Yeah, but I think the question is.

[Blake Neff]

Do we really understand a word of it?

[Cliff Maloney]

Do we really want a full moratorium? And are people ready for the growing pains that are going to come from that?

[Mikey McCoy]

Yeah, there's gonna be a lot of economic disruption if we did a full.

[Jack Posobiec]

Oh, the libertarians coming out now Cliff's Libertarians coming out.

[Cliff Maloney]

I've been rad on this in a good way. You guys be proud of me. But no, I think. I think those growing pains be a little tougher than people think.

[Mikey McCoy]

Oh, they'd be. We don't.

[Jack Posobiec]

Here comes.

[Mikey McCoy]

Here comes. We don't know. We don't. We don't have. According to Ayn Rand, we don't have the. The intestinal fortitude as a country to put up with it. And the reason is, is that our media landscape would absolutely revolt. So everybody, everybody, this is half the problem with our current dynamic. We can't have nice things because the media tells us that everything's in disarray. Trump is screwing everything up. All hell's breaking loose. And really, like, if you're just, like, driving to work and driving home, hanging out with your kids, you have no idea what the heck they're talking about. But then you get on social media and you just like, everything's crazy and everything's awful. Oh, and we would instantly reverse course and then weak Republicans in the House and you know, Rand Paul would, would start saying we need to pass law to make it so that, you know, people can't do X, Y, Z. I mean that, that is the truth. We do not have the ability to, to take dramatic action, it seems in very many ways at all, actually. And if it takes essentially a decade to shut the border down, that's what it is. It took a decade of us having one of the most dramatic political fights of Trump's 1.0, his, his exile and Trump 2.0 for us to finally, as a country go, okay, we probably don't like this, we're going to actually shut it down, otherwise we can't have nice things. So you can't do H1B reform, you can't do actual legal immigration reform without building a consensus over about a decade. Cuz if not then, then the media will just tell you everything's awful and people will believe it.

[Cliff Maloney]

Well, and this, this debate reminds me of the big Trump moment at the first debate against Hillary or one of them in 2016, where he says, you know the famous line, well, you've been in office for 40 years and you know how I know you're not gonna change the tax code? Because of your donors. Your donors do very well. Yes, that's what I do. Well into the tax code too. But he goes, this whole thing. And Dave Chappelle, there's a whole bit about how he was like, what did Trump just say? Like, that's speaking for the people. Yeah, that's the battle right now, which is you're going to have tons of CEOs, business owners, different people that are going to be pushing the President and the administration to actually come out and say, listen, we need workers at our hotels, we need workers in the farms. And then you have the base of America first saying, no, we want no more of this immigration stuff, we want to pause it. And I think those are the two forces.

[Mikey McCoy]

Yeah, I think it's corporations. Corporations are the ones that, you know.

[Blake Neff]

Yeah, it's easy, it's easy to blame the corporations. But, you know, kind of an interesting thing I was reading just a few days ago that got pointed out, it's another way the H1B something stuff actually has screwed everything up. And it's, if you look at it, actually squares with some of the economic turbulence people have talked about lately, where if you look at the economic data. Things are still pretty good if you're an older worker, like an established professional. The economy is kind of humming along fine. There's actually a good number of job openings. Where it's really bad is entry level workers. The workers just out of college, and yet they're still saying we need to bring in a bunch of foreign workers because they can't fill jobs. And it's kind of true because where we have a bottleneck is specifically entry level jobs. And this is partly a product of what Charlie would love to talk about, which is college being a scam. You don't learn useful things in college. Even if you're studying a technical field. You don't really learn how to do the jobs in that field getting that degree. You learn those by getting entry level jobs in that field. You learn to be a programmer by being a programmer. You learn to be an engineer by being an engineer. You learn to work in media by working in media. All of those things you need to get an entry level job. And those are bad, and the availability of those is bad. But yet there's like kind of. It's almost a meme that there's like infinite jobs out there that require five years experience in something. And what we've gotten ourselves into here is we've gotten ourselves into this H1B situation where companies have like very little incentive to provide training, to like provide that sort of thankless on the job training for people because then an employee can just leave. And so they just decide everyone should just already know how to do the job when we're going to hire them.

[Faz]

Oh no.

[Blake Neff]

Americans know how to do this. Let's just bring in more H1BS. So like an actual policy thing we need to do is we need to make it so a company has an incentive to just train new people to do their job. And it's not like we're unable to do this because we actually have a pretty big institution in America that is able to train Americans to do jobs. Even kind of dumb Americans, even Americans who like, might only have a high school education. And we still need to train them to do technical things. And it's called the US Military. The US Military trains random people of below average intelligence all the time to do complex stuff. And honestly, I suspect the reason is just because they can sign you up for four years and you just can't leave. You can't quit. You get in trouble if you leave.

[Jack Posobiec]

Like, you know there's a few tests when you join the military, right?

[Blake Neff]

Yeah, but Is it that demanding, Jack?

[Jack Posobiec]

Well, yeah, there's literally nuclear engineers in the military.

[Blake Neff]

Yes, but there's also like guys with no college degree. I, I bet not every single guy on a submarine needs to be that smart to work on the nuclear submarine.

[Jack Posobiec]

Well, you, you are if you're working in the nuclear power.

[Blake Neff]

Maybe, but it's probably not as smart as you need to be to get a PhD in nuclear engineering.

[Jack Posobiec]

There are people with PhDs in nuclear engineering in the military, Blake.

[Blake Neff]

There are, there are. But I bet you don't need to have one to work on the nuclear submarine, including in the nuclear stuff you do just military trains that I make complex stuff all the time.

[Jack Posobiec]

The point that I'm making is that actually there is a sorting process when you join the military so that they test people's intelligence, which is kind of like illegal in like every other field. I know we've talked about this before before, where they actually can, you know, they do sort people by intelligence and they say, okay, you know, you're this type of age range called the ASVAP on the elicit side. So you're, you're in this age, you know, age range, IQ range. So we're going to put you here, you're going to be over here, you're going to hear etc. Etc. And it's something that actually works, you know, when, when it's done with the right, you know, when you take like the DEI quotients and all that randomness out of it, it's, it actually can be used really, really well because you can like certain people just don't have what it takes to be a nuclear engineer. And in fact you can test that while, while testing someone's intelligence, you don't have to just like put them through the pipeline and see what happens. And so I think it's actually something that we should look to as, you know, probably a pretty good model for, you know, just the rest of these things that we're talking about. Like for example, I don't know the workforce.

[Mikey McCoy]

You know what's interesting as well is that this is brought up, brought back up Vivek Ramaswamy's Christmas, Saved by the bell infamous tweet. And you know what I didn't realize is that that tweet, that original one that caused all that kerfuffle in December, has 125 million engagements.

[Jack Posobiec]

What?

[Mikey McCoy]

On X and Twitter. Huge throw up image. Throw up image. 345.

[Cliff Maloney]

And.

[Mikey McCoy]

This was a snippet of it. He says the reason top tech Companies often hire foreign born and first generation engineers over native Americans. Isn't because of an innate American IQ deficit a lazy and wrong explanation? I don't know who was suggesting that it was an IQ deficit. It so that was interesting. A key part of it comes down to the C word culture. Tough questions demand tough answers. And if we're really serious about fixing the problem, we have to confront the truth at all. Caps. I mean, do we think that the American culture. Blake, you're saying that the H1B problem is self perpetuating, that it creates its own problem? When we drown out certain industries with foreign born workers, American workers either get priced out or they no longer go into those fields because they're looked at as foreign based fields. Is there an innate culture problem that we have?

[Blake Neff]

I think culture to some extent is created by, it's almost an unintended side effect of a bunch of choices we make. And you know, it's often commented. One of the issues, one of the things people complain about with H1BS is they will say like a company will let In a few H1Bs, maybe a lot of them are from specifically India. And then over time it just gets more and more foreign and eventually it's like a foreign shop. Well, that's a real cultural issue because you know, you probably reach a tipping point there where if it's 75% people of foreign origin now it's like why would I want to go work there where a lot of the guys, maybe they don't even talk in English when they're in the office, they prefer to speak, speak a different language. It's just very alienating. They may sort of see you in a hostile way. There's all of these dynamics that go on and then when that happens at a society wide level, you eventually have a different country. And when you're doing this to important skilled fields, which a lot of the stuff that we do with H1BS is important stuff that's important for our most like sophisticated and advanced and technical companies. You're messing up the whole country. And we have, because we've made it so easy to bring in foreigners for those highly technical fields, we've basically deskilled the American population in a way that's really damaging. And I think, you know, we're focusing on the H1BS a lot because that's been the meme, that's what people talk about. But I think, you know, we also have that other Trump clip with the 600,000 Chinese students. I think it's as bad There. The fact that we've made it so easy for colleges to bring in more foreigners to fill their PhD programs, I think is a huge issue. And a big reason the colleges do it is just so they can pay PhDs less to be adjunct professors. It's absolutely insane to me that we would devalue PhDs for Americans, like super highly skilled work just so that, you know, freaking Tufts University can pay an adjunct professor $40,000 a year instead of $55,000 a year or whatever amount it is.

[Mikey McCoy]

I think you just hit on something that's actually. It's the college scam that's behind a lot of this because the universities can't pay full. Native born students don't pay full freight. Guess who does? The Chinese students. And they'll pay full freight. Not at the top universities. They'll pay it at the B and the C list universities. So that's happening. A lot of, A lot of these student visa problems. When you talk about this, 600,000 Chinese students, they're coming over and they're. They're basically keeping the lights on at a lot of these, These universities.

[Faz]

Yeah, yeah, excellent take. And then on top of that, just to defend Trump a little bit. President. The president. Our universities are failing our students here in America. Like, we're just not producing the type of students that can qualify for jobs like this. And instead of it actually being like an in depth PhD or degree, it'd be the, you know, the sociology and understanding of accounting for lesbians. And these are like the degrees that you're getting instead of actually, like, producing good students or trade schools, which is what Charlie used to advocate for.

[Cliff Maloney]

Let me make. I don't think I've ever talked about this before I got in politics, I was a math teacher. Do you guys know that? I don't know if I've said that on the air. You have, Mr. Maloney. Those were the days.

[Faz]

You would be a great math teacher.

[Cliff Maloney]

It was a lot of fun.

[Faz]

I'd.

[Cliff Maloney]

Listen, here's a really interesting thing. I was teaching in, like, central western Pennsylvania, and I had one Chinese student. Now he has since graduated.

[Blake Neff]

Wait a minute, that's not true. They don't teach math in Pennsylvania public schools.

[Cliff Maloney]

Okay, let me get to the punchline. So this is fifth grade, and I just always remember this cultural moment where. And this is. So this is such a bad stereotype. His family owned, like, the one Chinese restaurant in town. It's a very white town. Yes. And I went there one time for dinner after school. A couple buddies of Mine from college. And I walk in and he's literally in my fifth grade class. And you know, he comes running up, says hello, hey, Mr. Maloney. And his parents were very happy to see me, but they made it very clear that he was not to be interrupted until his homework was done and he had to finish the homework before he could eat. And I just, that that was such a cultural moment for me. I know it's like very much like the stereotype moment. But you think that's happening with any type of American born student? I mean, yeah, there are some great parents out there doing good things, but the cultural difference is just, you can see it. And I think the discipline that a lot of these cultures have, we just, we don't have it as a whole. We really don't. And by the way, they're poor of the poor. They're not like, you know, people that are very well to do sending their kids to some great school. So I don't look at it like that. Because if you look at it like that with, with you know, let's say white Americans or you know, your everyday blue collar American, I think it's even worse the lower you go in the socioeconomic statuses because there's just. No, it's such a lack of discipline that the other cultures have.

[Mikey McCoy]

Well, to your point, it's kind of depressing if you throw up. Image 239. This is UCSD's Math 2 course. Teaches grade school math, that's grades one through eight to freshmen. So UCSD, UCSD is, is ranked as the nation's fifth best public university. And so 25 per students got this problem wrong. Seven plus two equals blank plus six. What is that? What is that? Cliff, what is it?

[Cliff Maloney]

Let me see.

[Faz]

I'm not a biologist.

[Cliff Maloney]

Seven plus two.

[Mikey McCoy]

So seven plus two equals blank plus six.

[Cliff Maloney]

Let me see the box. Let me zoom in here.

[Mikey McCoy]

Dude, seriously. No, he's a math teacher. There he goes. 3. 61% of students, a large majority couldn't round 374,518 to the nearest hundred. That would be 374,500.

[Faz]

It's been many years since Mr. Maloney's 37%.

[Cliff Maloney]

Oh no. For the record, I was kidding. I knew the answer was three. They're going to clip that.

[Blake Neff]

I'm going to lose my license.

[Mikey McCoy]

Zoom in. It was, it was. You didn't have your spectacles on. There you go. 37% of students couldn't subtract fractions. So this is like, I mean I look at this. And I have no problem. I can subtract fractions. But that does suggest at a top five public university in the country that majorities of students couldn't round to the nearest hundred.

[Faz]

Yeah.

[Cliff Maloney]

And listen, math is going to be our biggest problem because if you miss a couple history lessons, but you, you.

[Mikey McCoy]

Know, get engaged later in life, different. This is, this suggests that the problem is arising in high school, in middle school and elementary school.

[Blake Neff]

The. I mean, the problem is it's so many levels, and especially with the UC schools, what's not kind of being talked about with this going viral, but we 100% know what happened. So California bans race based affirmative action officially under their law, due to that thing in the 90s. They tried to get rid of it in 2020. And in the same election where, you know, they went for Joe Biden by 30 points or whatever, they failed. They failed to repeal that. It was very funny. They tried, they tried to ram it through and everyone was like, no, I don't like racial discrimination. So the UC system, what they do is they just try to scam this system because what they do is they have the data for who goes to different high schools and they just start letting people in who are totally not qualified for certain schools if they go to the right high schools. And a big reason they do this is they. I'll just say it. They want to increase the Hispanic percentage at a lot of the UC schools. So UC San Diego has just been caught where they're freezing out. Only they're, They're.

[Mikey McCoy]

Jack is.

[Blake Neff]

They're freezing out.

[Jack Posobiec]

Yeah, no, I actually.

[Blake Neff]

Freezing out.

[Jack Posobiec]

I actually think Cliff is wrong.

[Cliff Maloney]

I am wrong.

[Jack Posobiec]

Yeah, no, put the, put that, put that question back up. The original one. No.

[Mikey McCoy]

Seven plus two.

[Blake Neff]

Seven plus two.

[Jack Posobiec]

It's not the right answer. It's not the right answer.

[Mikey McCoy]

Throw it up. Throw it up. Studio.

[Jack Posobiec]

Not the right answer.

[Cliff Maloney]

Nine equals.

[Jack Posobiec]

It's very obvious. It's very obvious that the right answer is. I can't believe you guys can't see it on your faces.

[Mikey McCoy]

Fill in the box.

[Cliff Maloney]

Oh, is it, is it 15?

[Faz]

I can't even.

[Jack Posobiec]

No, the correct answer is obviously. The correct answer is obviously 67. 67 right there.

[Faz]

Let's get in.

[Blake Neff]

Yes.

[Cliff Maloney]

Pemdas, dive in.

[Jack Posobiec]

Six, seven. Let's go. Shame.

[Cliff Maloney]

I really thought my career was over.

[Mikey McCoy]

I, I was like, I was like, we're gonna have to edit this whole thing out, aren't we? We're gonna just take the stream down to save Cliff Maloney's career.

[Jack Posobiec]

Mikey. They don't Mikey, these. These boomers don't get it.

[Faz]

They don't get it.

[Blake Neff]

Six, seven.

[Mikey McCoy]

Six, seven. Oh, I have. I have a seven year old, so.

[Jack Posobiec]

Stop saying six, seven. He's only six two. It's not funny.

[Mikey McCoy]

Oh, man. Okay, but Angela goes, it's live. You can't edit it out. Thanks, Angela.

[Jack Posobiec]

Andrew's like, I'm revealing too much. He pops a smoke grenade and disappears.

[Mikey McCoy]

So Angela brings up a really good point. This is, I think, the crux of the argument here. Philosophically, it feels like the base is at a inflection point. Right. Are we gonna burn down the institutions, or is it still worth trying to reform them?

[Faz]

You can reform them. Maybe.

[Jack Posobiec]

By the way, half the chat is saying, I knew he was gonna say 6, 7. And the other half is like, what is 6, 7?

[Cliff Maloney]

Very accurate.

[Mikey McCoy]

6, 7, 6, 7, 6, 7. Mikey, you need to explain to everybody.

[Jack Posobiec]

Mikey, it's not funny.

[Faz]

Okay, I'll explain. I'll explain, guys.

[Blake Neff]

67.

[Jack Posobiec]

67.

[Cliff Maloney]

That's.

[Mikey McCoy]

Why I don't understand how that even caught.

[Blake Neff]

I mean, six, seven.

[Mikey McCoy]

I know.

[Blake Neff]

I now. I now no longer support helping Gen Z turn itself around after this.

[Mikey McCoy]

Because.

[Jack Posobiec]

I have spent time with Mikey.

[Mikey McCoy]

All right, shall we. I think we've hit the. I don't know if we want to answer that question. Can we save the institutions? Blake. Maybe that's a Blake question.

[Blake Neff]

I would probably burn them to the ground. Like when Trump says, half our colleges would close if we cut off the Chinese students. Good, good. A large number of universities and colleges just should be obliterated. They have become an absolute parasite upon the American body politic. We're just. We're making it where to have a normal life, you have to divert four years into a school that we know at this point doesn't teach you many important things yet. It's like socially required to get married or to have good dating prospects or just to be clubbable. It's clearly become this bizarre thing that has greatly metastasized beyond what it was useful for. It costs a ton of money. It's sucking up, actually. A lot of talented people who could work in a real field to work instead at places that kind of produce not a lot and just. No, we need to obliterate these things, blow them to smithereens, be like merit based, have people get actual jobs again that actually make things that teach useful skills and just. We need a cleansing of this country. A great cleansing.

[Mikey McCoy]

A great purge, if you will.

[Jack Posobiec]

Wait, I'm starting. I'm getting a message in now. That's pro soundboard. Throwing it out to the chat. I am in the chat, by the way. What. What does the chat think about the soundboard? Can you understand it? Do you think it's funny? Six, seven.

[Mikey McCoy]

Oh, yes.

[Cliff Maloney]

Still my favorite.

[Mikey McCoy]

Yeah. All right.

[Jack Posobiec]

No, that one is good because it's established. The sobrero is is established. The Bollywood is established. Established sounds are good.

[Cliff Maloney]

Jack's part of the establishment. Gotta watch him. I disagree with. I agree with Blake that I want them to.

[Jack Posobiec]

Yeah, okay. Iran. Iran.

[Cliff Maloney]

Boy, here we go. You. These things are never going to end until they stop getting funded. The money is going to be the problem. And this is not just the Democrat problem. This is Republicans as well. We keep funding these higher ed institutions. And Charlie always said this, and I never realized how accurate he was about the donor class. You ask the donor class, are colleges indoctrinating their students? 100% of them say yes. Then you ask them, are you still giving money to your alma mater? And they all say the same thing. Yeah, well, my school. There's a sentimental connection. You see, it's different. It's just like Congress. Everybody hates Congress, but not their congressman.

[Mikey McCoy]

Right?

[Cliff Maloney]

They're different. We know him. He's a nice guy. It will not implode if we keep funding it with federal dollars, state dollars. That's the only way you end kind of the charade. The only industry where the cost of the product goes like this and the value of what you're getting goes like this.

[Blake Neff]

It's just.

[Cliff Maloney]

It's unsustainable. And we keep funding it.

[Faz]

Excellent.

[Jack Posobiec]

So you guys know the chat is completely against me. The chat is completely pro soundboard. I have been destroyed. It's over. It's over. Poso is done. It's the end of poso. Guys. This is. I'm checking out. Checking out. Also, nobody yelled at Andrew for wearing a suit on Thought Crime.

[Mikey McCoy]

Oh, yeah.

[Jack Posobiec]

Breaking a rule. Breaking all the rules.

[Blake Neff]

He's wearing a suit on Thought Crime.

[Mikey McCoy]

I didn't even know that was.

[Jack Posobiec]

I know, right? Like, we don't really.

[Blake Neff]

Tiny. I can't see it.

[Mikey McCoy]

Okay, so this whole Arizona. We talk about time zones. Here's the thing with Arizona is that everybody over. Air conditions, everything. And so I'm constantly cold. And it's a problem. Okay, it's cold because.

[Jack Posobiec]

Are you saying you're a little chilly? Andrew? Do you need a blanket?

[Mikey McCoy]

Barbs. He's coming after Cliff. Coming after the soundboard.

[Faz]

And was a little bit chewy.

[Mikey McCoy]

Widowly.

[Faz]

Andrew's just a little bit cold. It is very cold in here, though.

[Cliff Maloney]

I'll give.

[Mikey McCoy]

It's cold.

[Jack Posobiec]

Can someone get Andrew some hot cocoa? You want the little marshmallows?

[Mikey McCoy]

All right, all right, listen, I think this is a good time. Go to the next topic, which is women in the military, which speaking.

[Blake Neff]

Oh, we're back in the military again.

[Jack Posobiec]

Oh boy. Speaking of room temperature.

[Mikey McCoy]

Yeah. People, we're not talking about your eyes. Huge. Let's get up. Let's get up.

[Jack Posobiec]

It's very simple. Women are wrong about the temperature men need. The cool men need.

[Cliff Maloney]

What's the thermostat at in your house, Jack?

[Jack Posobiec]

Temperature? It is at. It is at 68.

[Blake Neff]

When I'm home, that's cold.

[Jack Posobiec]

But something interesting happens when I go to work and come back because I see. I see 70 and above. I see 72s, I see 73s. I on occasion see 75s. And that simply will not do. That simply will not do.

[Faz]

We usually keep the studio temperature around 6 7.

[Jack Posobiec]

Yeah, keep it right around 6, 7.

[Blake Neff]

I think that's my spot. I keep my apartment at. At like 78. I. I actually keep it pretty warm.

[Cliff Maloney]

Jack's reaction.

[Jack Posobiec]

Don't.

[Mikey McCoy]

Don't say that. If it's.

[Blake Neff]

I need to see Chat's evaluation of.

[Mikey McCoy]

This.

[Jack Posobiec]

Need to keep it cool for the production of testosterone.

[Mikey McCoy]

Did you know Taylor Swift keeps her thermostat at 80 degrees?

[Faz]

Did you check out?

[Cliff Maloney]

Checks out.

[Faz]

Where did you find that information?

[Cliff Maloney]

Is that before.

[Faz]

You just ask Brock? What does Taylor.

[Mikey McCoy]

No, I was trying to think. What's that crazy former Washington Post journalist, the lizard. Lizard what? Taylor Lorenzo. Yeah. She keeps her thermostat at like 86.

[Cliff Maloney]

I can't believe I'm going to admit this on air. So I've been up and down about 100 pounds over my last couple, like five years, like gaining and losing. And I'm probably the lower of where I've been when I was like a big, big boy. A lot of tasty cakes, a lot of. A lot of sugar in the Wawa iced tea. When I was a big boy, I mean, I would keep it very, very cold. But it's funny, like, the more weight I lose, like in the hotel rooms, like I used to be like a 67, 6 to 7 type guy. I don't mind it. Sometimes a 70 or 71, it's not too bad. I get cold. Like I got less on two and.

[Mikey McCoy]

Sunny is literally the ideal human temperature. I don't understand. Yeah, I don't know. Listen, high temperature.

[Jack Posobiec]

No, high temperature is low T. Behavior.

[Cliff Maloney]

Correct.

[Jack Posobiec]

High temperature is low t behavior.

[Faz]

Yes.

[Mikey McCoy]

72 is not hot.

[Cliff Maloney]

That's California.

[Jack Posobiec]

It's expensive.

[Mikey McCoy]

It's expensive.

[Jack Posobiec]

So the hotter you go, the lower the table.

[Mikey McCoy]

Well, I'm.

[Cliff Maloney]

I don't know.

[Blake Neff]

I feel like a lot of.

[Mikey McCoy]

When did this become you? Are you. I reject the premise. You're, like, setting the benchmark. It like this obscenely.

[Jack Posobiec]

Are you saying temperature has no effect on testosterone?

[Mikey McCoy]

I'm saying that 72 versus 68 is 4 degrees, and it's not that much.

[Faz]

Jack, what do you have to say about hot tubs?

[Jack Posobiec]

I mean, for a limited time only, like. Like, you. You said it. You go in, then you get out.

[Faz]

Do you like hot tubs, Andrew?

[Cliff Maloney]

Yeah, I'm very pro hot tubs. I literally have the search feature on Airbnb. That's, like, the one thing I put in. If I'm, like, gonna get an Airbnb, I'd love just have 15 minutes in the hot tub.

[Faz]

This is new to me because you came and you're like, arizona doesn't have hot tubs. That's the one thing I miss about California.

[Mikey McCoy]

Yeah, no, it's. It's. It's weird. It's. Everywhere's got a pool, but no hot tubs but that. What's funny is that nobody has heating for the pool. And, like, right now. What is it? November 13? What are we at right now? And it's too cold to go in the pools without a heater. Heated pools, in my opinion. Unless you want to go.

[Cliff Maloney]

You're saying in Arizona.

[Mikey McCoy]

Yeah, Arizona. So you really only use your pool during, like, when it's 120 up or 110? Yeah, that's basically the culture around.

[Faz]

Yeah.

[Mikey McCoy]

Everybody's got pools, but nobody uses them during this time of year. And there's no hot tubs to use.

[Faz]

I do cold plunge.

[Mikey McCoy]

Charlie used to get addicted to cold.

[Jack Posobiec]

Charlie was big on cold plunges, but.

[Faz]

And then he stopped.

[Mikey McCoy]

No, he stopped because it screwed up his central nervous system.

[Faz]

Yeah, he was like. He was like, it spikes cortisone levels if you don't do it right.

[Mikey McCoy]

He got so. It was actually. It was.

[Jack Posobiec]

He was doing too much. Right?

[Mikey McCoy]

It was.

[Faz]

He's doing a little too much.

[Mikey McCoy]

No, but who inspired him? Tony Robbins. Tony Robbins.

[Faz]

Tony Robbins.

[Mikey McCoy]

Tony Robbins inspired him. So he met with Tony, and Tony told him, you should do this. It's really good. So he got really into it, and then all of a sudden, he started having this medical condition where he couldn't remember. He was like, almost. It was almost like vertigo. And the doc. So he goes to all these specialists. What's wrong with you? What's wrong with you? Because, you know, Charlie's got a very active life. He's speaking, he's doing this, he's got to do this and that. And then all of a sudden, he couldn't stand up, and he just had to basically sit down. And it was. They identified that it was probably most likely the cold plunges that were screwing up. Do you remember this?

[Faz]

Yeah, yeah.

[Mikey McCoy]

All right. Maybe something else.

[Faz]

Yeah, no, you're right.

[Mikey McCoy]

Anyway, so I've never even delved into the cold plunge because A, it sounds terrible, but B, when Charlie had those issues because he was starting to tempt me, I was like, oh, man. Maybe I need to, like, start with cold showers or something in the morning. Do you guys do cold showers in the morning? Everybody says you got to do cold showers in the morning. No, no, no. I don't know.

[Blake Neff]

All of these things. I'm gonna. I'm gonna go back to where it was. Almost all of these things are memes because people. Yeah, they're. Woo.

[Mikey McCoy]

Just.

[Blake Neff]

People want to think there's more super hacks that they can do. And so they come up with strange nonsense. We're like, yeah, like, no, cold plunges. They just don't. If you like a cold plunge, I guess go for it. But they don't do that much cold showers.

[Mikey McCoy]

No, he's disagreeing over here.

[Faz]

Black pill Blake at it again. Blake used to disagree with Charlie about all this stuff, like supplements.

[Blake Neff]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I told him the cold plunges were dumb. And then Charlie had to quit doing the cold plunges.

[Faz]

And I told Charlie was so healthy. Charlie was literally the most.

[Blake Neff]

Charlie had all these weird health. But you remember, you know, this is true. Charlie was always complaining about weird stuff. He got vertigo for, like two weeks one time.

[Mikey McCoy]

Well, that's what we're talking about.

[Blake Neff]

He had, like, some, like, back issue or whatever. Charlie had, like, endless weird because he.

[Faz]

Worked harder than anybody else.

[Mikey McCoy]

Well, you know where he actually got the back. Yeah. You know what he got the back problems from? I was actually with him in Los Angeles when his back, like, gave out. But what it was, he was running like 10 or 12 miles. This might have been before he also.

[Faz]

Slipped on black ice, guys.

[Mikey McCoy]

Well, so. So he was running like 10 to 12 miles a day. And then. And then he was flying commercial, like, all across the country. Across.

[Faz]

He would have, like four commercial flights a day. Every single day. Like every single day.

[Mikey McCoy]

And then run. Find a way to run 10 to 12 miles in a day. Yeah. And it was just too much. And eventually his back just gave out. Like at like 27, his back was toast.

[Jack Posobiec]

Yeah.

[Mikey McCoy]

Yeah.

[Faz]

He was the most healthy person. I'm telling you guys right now, period. End stop.

[Mikey McCoy]

Almost six five.

[Jack Posobiec]

Yeah.

[Cliff Maloney]

We're the same height. I didn't know that. I don't think people understand this is such a first world problem. But being 65 and having to fly, I did not fly four flights a day, but I probably fly like four or five flights, you know, every week, depending on what I'm doing. It is so taxing. And like, you can't complain to people that are not 65 because they just think like, I'm just being a pain, but it's like when my legs are lodged into the seat in front of me, flying across the country, like it is miserable and like you can't. So even today flying here, I can't sit up straight because the, the cushion, like for your head where it breaks, you can pull it up a little bit, but like it's on my shoulder blades, so you have to sit hunched. It's just a random.

[Mikey McCoy]

You got those Viking jeans, bro.

[Jack Posobiec]

So this is something that happens. By the way, Cliff, I know about this because producer Foz, people know he used to, he used to, you know, we don't talk about a ton, but he used to work with a lot of pro wrestlers and a lot of those pro wrestlers end up with that like bow legged sort of odd walk where they're doing that. And it's, it's. People assume it's because of the wrestling, but it's actually because of the flying is according to, according to, to our producer that it's because they're flying so much. Yeah, he's here in the chat and he's just saying that like, like when you. So you would see Hulk Hogan right before he died, obviously a lot of heart issues there. But you know, all the flying, all the driving and that, you're exactly right. It's that cramped up. There's a photo of like Andre the Giant, I think, you know, flying and he's like taking up the whole row basically. And it's just, it's. Yeah. When you're that big, cramped up for so long, for so many hours, it does mess you up.

[Faz]

Yeah. And back to Charlie. He was a million miler on every single airline. He was always in a car. He was always driving across the country. He was always. So you want to wonder why he had back problems. That's why.

[Mikey McCoy]

Wow. Did you know, so Faz is kind of like, going off in the chat right now. Throw up this image studio. This is one of those cryo.

[Faz]

Cryo freeze chambers.

[Mikey McCoy]

Freeze. Cryotherapy.

[Faz]

Those are great.

[Mikey McCoy]

So it burns. Three minutes of cryotherapy will burn 800 to 1,000 calories.

[Faz]

That's right.

[Mikey McCoy]

Because of the energy your body expends get. Trying to get your. Get you back to a normal temperature. So is that woo woo, Blake?

[Blake Neff]

Yeah, it kind of sounds like woo woo to me.

[Faz]

I'm gonna guess Blake's gonna say, anything's woo woo. You can literally ask anything.

[Mikey McCoy]

So the thing that. The thing that always, like, strikes me about Charlie's health regimen, though, was all the. All the hot sauce. Like, that can't be too much hot sauce.

[Faz]

Charlie loved sauces. He put sauces on everything. Yeah, he had, like, a lot of a sauce collection that he traveled with everywhere he went. And it was in a separate bag. And it was. I'm not even kidding, like, 15 different sauces. And he knew the different combinations. He's like, with my chicken, I do two green, one red. And it was good too. Charlie was like, wait, hold on, hold on.

[Blake Neff]

Okay, hold on.

[Jack Posobiec]

I know.

[Blake Neff]

I'm now on the cryo bar. Cryotherapy. This is a blog post they made from 2020. Does cryotherapy burn calories? And they say the burning of calories is unfortunately one of the lightly researched benefits of cryotherapy. So they basically say, you know, it might happen, maybe.

[Cliff Maloney]

You guys big on hot sauce?

[Faz]

Yeah, I, for one, love. Yeah, I love hot sauce.

[Cliff Maloney]

So I was like, the most Irish.

[Jack Posobiec]

That's also hot potatoes.

[Cliff Maloney]

Like, plain guy, no spices. And then I got Covid in Florida, which Covid didn't really happen in Florida, but I did get it, and I lost all of my, like, you know, I couldn't taste anything. And so the only thing I could get a reaction from this is how, you know, I'm an eater, I'm a fat boy. Was using hot sauce because the hot sauce would at least give you something where you could get, you know, something out of the food.

[Mikey McCoy]

I. I eat a lot of hot sauce. So apparently I'm low T because I like the thermostat at 72, but I'm high tea because I can eat a lot of hot sauce. I know it's. It's the Mexican. You know what's so funny? Like, ever since, like, everything happened and, like, I have to be on TV more or whatever, and it's like, all these people Are like, he's. He looks Jewish. He looks super Jewish. And then the other ones are like. Because of this show, they're always like, oh, he's quarter Mexican.

[Cliff Maloney]

So, yeah.

[Mikey McCoy]

Yeah, there it is. Blake is in the chat, just saying, woo, woo.

[Blake Neff]

It's all. Everyone just. They all want. They all want to come up with these, like, weird, expensive medical hacks that they'll say, solve everything, do these, like, extreme benefits. It's the same thing they do with food where you're like, oh, I have to go to this special grocery store where all my food costs twice as much. And then it gives me, like, super health and I'm gonna live forever. Blake, you just have to do the basics. It's all the basics.

[Mikey McCoy]

I love this.

[Blake Neff]

Just do.

[Faz]

You'll eat a box of 12 Krispy Kreme doughnuts.

[Jack Posobiec]

Yeah.

[Blake Neff]

And it's great.

[Jack Posobiec]

Yeah.

[Blake Neff]

Hit your freaking. Hit your freaking protein thresholds. Lift weights. Yeah. Like, what's your bench, Mikey?

[Faz]

What is it, Blake? Get out of here.

[Cliff Maloney]

He's going after everybody.

[Faz]

Yeah, but who looks better?

[Mikey McCoy]

Oh, yeah. Okay.

[Jack Posobiec]

Okay.

[Blake Neff]

We're discussing testosterone levels and you know what causes male pattern baldness. That's right. And only one of us has this blinding paint here. Only one of us.

[Faz]

You do look good, Blake.

[Mikey McCoy]

Yeah, well, Cliff.

[Jack Posobiec]

Cliff is coming in.

[Cliff Maloney]

Blake, you weren't on when Jack called me out on live television saying that I need to shave my head. Very nice friend, that Jack.

[Blake Neff]

You should increase your power.

[Jack Posobiec]

However, however. However, I also took Blake to a bar, and we met that nice Mexican cop, and he was telling Blake that he should go to Tijuana to get a hair transplant. But where's the music?

[Faz]

He did.

[Blake Neff]

Oh, man, I forgot about that guy. That was really funny.

[Jack Posobiec]

Blake, send Blake and Cliff down to TJ for the hair transplant. We filmed the whole thing. Guys, I like, we're sitting on money here.

[Faz]

That's a bunch of woo woo.

[Blake Neff]

It probably is.

[Jack Posobiec]

It probably is. I refuse to believe he took his hat off and he showed, like, his giant full head of hair and he's like, I. He's like, yeah, I used to look like you till I went down to Tijuana. And there I got. Now I look like this.

[Blake Neff]

Blake, you could benefit from this.

[Jack Posobiec]

Oddly enough, he looked exactly like Andrew. Huh?

[Blake Neff]

Everyone's like. Everyone's trying to rag on me for various things that I like eat that I'll eat anything. And I don't do all their health.

[Mikey McCoy]

Woo woo.

[Blake Neff]

And I just feel like I'm really healthy and I don't have all these like weird other problems that people complain about. My main problem is I somehow got like tennis elbow while I was in South Korea. And I don't know how that one happened, but body inflammation, such as life.

[Mikey McCoy]

Because you're not eating enough.

[Faz]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Mikey McCoy]

Okay, good things.

[Jack Posobiec]

Maybe someone in the chat is saying, I wonder what Charlie is thinking of your topic. I'm not even sure what our topic is right now.

[Cliff Maloney]

No women.

[Blake Neff]

Yeah, we were supposed to talk about. We were supposed to talk about women in the military, which they shouldn't be. Just kick them out of the military. Have they have them clip that up.

[Mikey McCoy]

On patriotics or whatever. I feel like libertarian Cliff is you. Are you. Wait, can I ask you on that? Are you.

[Jack Posobiec]

The libertarians don't want us to have a military at all.

[Cliff Maloney]

So it's funny, Charlie, I always used to tell people that Charlie would actually be one of the. I think I said this on Thought Crime a couple weeks ago, but Charlie, when you would go on, he actually would be tough at interview, especially when I do his show and it was a one on one, you know, where he'd just be like, what's going on in pa? Like digging in on the numbers. I don't know when it was. It might have been election night. I mean, we were on for what, eight hours? But he asked me at one point, he said, you know, how does a Ron Paul libertarian go from that to running a ballot chase effort for Donald Trump? And he got mad at my answer. So maybe I shouldn't say it in terms of he thought maybe we'd get demonetized or delisted, whatever it is. But I said, yeah, I'm still a hardcore libertarian. I have my own definition of what that is. Small L. But things change when they start to chop the private parts off of our 12 year old boys and girls and consider it normal. There came a breaking point where the things that. Do I believe in free markets? Do I believe in free trade? Yes. But you have to look at things in reality, not theory. This is where Jack will be proud of me for. For being okay with certain protections that Ayn Rand would not be. But I think a lot of the culture stuff just made it where it was like, we got to be in this fight. Like, there's so many libertarians I know out there that want to sit on the sidelines. They want to complain. They want to say, hey, you know, that's. That's doesn't pass our purity test. Do you want to save the country or not? And so, yeah, I have a lot of beliefs that, you know, a lot of Republicans in Congress, you know, a lot of this spending stuff, I got a lot of problems with it. But I think 2024 was like the country was on the brink. And I still feel that way. That's why I'm still doing a lot of America first candidates. And, you know, I would define myself as America First. That's probably the best label I would use. But I just think the people that sat out in 2024, it's like you got to open your eyes. Like, that was the battle, and we have the battle now. I feel like every single year moving forward.

[Mikey McCoy]

Mm.

[Cliff Maloney]

Did that suffice?

[Mikey McCoy]

Yeah, that will said no. That's. That's helpful.

[Jack Posobiec]

I doesn't answer the question about women in the military.

[Mikey McCoy]

Well, let's play clip 282 and it'll kick us off. 282.

[Cliff Maloney]

No more social justice. No more political correctness. No more toxic ideological garbage that infected the department.

[Blake Neff]

No more identity months.

[Cliff Maloney]

No more DEI offices. No more dudes in dresses. No more climate change worship. No more division. No more delusions, gender delusions, or quotas. No more distraction. As the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs puts it, Pete, you're clearing out the.

[Mikey McCoy]

Debris and then CNN reacting. 283.

[Blake Neff]

What Pete Hegseth has done, he has pushed women almost completely out of the top ranks of the military.

[Cliff Maloney]

He has point blank, women are 18%.

[Blake Neff]

Of the US military right now. There are now no members of the.

[Jack Posobiec]

Joint Staff who are women, despite the.

[Blake Neff]

Fact that women are the majority of the population.

[Cliff Maloney]

18% of the US military.

[Blake Neff]

There are zero women on the Joint Chiefs of Staff. In fact, every member of the US Joint Chiefs of Staff right now is a white male.

[Cliff Maloney]

White men are 29% of the population.

[Blake Neff]

Is it possible that white men are.

[Cliff Maloney]

The only people in the world in this country who are qualified to be on the Joint Chiefs of Staff?

[Mikey McCoy]

That's the assumption, I guess, that Pete Hegseth wants us to believe.

[Blake Neff]

Make them sound awesome.

[Mikey McCoy]

So. So. Okay, Jack, you first.

[Jack Posobiec]

For the record, that's not what Pete said at all.

[Blake Neff]

It's just.

[Jack Posobiec]

Just how he said.

[Mikey McCoy]

That's a really good point.

[Jack Posobiec]

He's talking. When he says gender delusions, he's talking about transgenderism. He's not talking about getting rid of women. Just. And that's just. That's just accurate, right? That's just accurate to what he's saying that. So, you know, you have to. You have to set the frame here. And the frame is that they're just lying about what Secretary Hegseth said he's talking about getting rid of the political nonsense in the military, pitting genders against each other, gender quotas, just, just all of this nonsense. And so it's the idea here, right? The idea here is, you know, make it so. Now, that being said, that being said, I would say it's simple as this. Why do we have male, female standards for combat, for combat mos, for combat jobs, for combat duties? Why do we have male, female standards for different, you know, in, in those critical capacities? Why do we have those? If you are going to be in a, you know, in the infantry, if you're going to be in Special Forces, if you're going to be in eod, any of these capacities, right, any of these serious combat capac. Combat units, you've got to have the same standards. It's as simple as that. Because guess what, right? If, if you got to pull your buddy out from under fire and you can't lift a 200 pound man with, you know, who's loaded with another 100 pounds of gear, then guess what? You're a liability. You're a liability to your unit, you're a liability to the fight, you're a liability to the mission, you're a liability to the country. And that's something that, by the way, doesn't just cover gender. That's something that would cover people with various health conditions, people. But all sorts of, there's all sorts of reasons that people are denied for certain, certain jobs and certain positions or even entry into the United States military. You know, a lot of people know, I think if you had like childhood asthma and you tell the recruiters that you pretty much can't get into the military. So I mean, there's lots of reasons that we preclude people from the military or certain positions within the military. And I think at the end of the day, what it comes down to is we need to make this or we just need to go back to what is the most important point of the military. Is it getting the mission done or is it social engineering? Simple as that. Oh, hold on.

[Blake Neff]

We have a, we have a donation from Big Man S17. I want to read it. He gave us $5. It says hot take. We protect women, women don't protect us. And I'm going to use that to go from there. I like in general Jack, I would agree it would be an improvement to just say you need to hit a certain minimum standard, whether you are male or female, even if that means it's going to be 95% men, 99% men, 100% men. But I might go further and I might say I do think there's actually probably something wrong with having women in the military generally outside of like truly auxiliary roles. Kind of like how we did it in World War II, like you had wax, you had certain sort of supplementary roles that you just had lots of women work in. But I do think there's actually something, I think you do lose something once you have women in the infantry, women in the armor, women in like direct, immediate combat situations, even if they can pass a certain physical qualification. I just think there's actually a historical reason. These roles in every, you know, advanced society, every advanced civilization were basically for all intents and purposes 100% male. And I think 100% male institutions and like groups have like, they have certain, they have a certain dynamic to them that you lose once you're introducing women to them. And I think we've seen the side effects of that in our own military. Once you add women into a group, like you're introducing a certain competitiveness element for the men, that's not there. Otherwise you're, you're just changing what kind of, you're changing what the team is doing, what the way the team works. And I kind of think it's, it's impossible for us to divorce the way the US Military has clearly become less effective as a war winning organization from the fact that we treat it as like a egalitarian gender organization even if we set the same standards for the sexes. But I also have never been in the military, so I'm probably over my skis a bit. But I know who is that Virginia senator that the Democrat? Is it Jim Webb? I think Jim Webb has actually commented on that. He also said he supported hazing in the military for that reason. He said once you got rid of hazing, it actually the military.

[Jack Posobiec]

He's a Marine. Yeah, I'm going to try to find it.

[Blake Neff]

I'm going to try to find it. While one of you weighs in.

[Cliff Maloney]

Let me comment. I think Jack thinks I'm going to be anti military. I believe in a strong. Here it comes, military power. I agree with jack. Merit based 100%. Why do we have different standards? It's stupid. This isn't about Title 9 in sports. This isn't something where we're trying to carve out something to make it fair for women. We're trying to protect the Republic, we're trying to save America. If you think the biggest fear is China, which I would say if we look at Other superpowers. You know who has the potential to really take out America? It's China. Guess what percentage of Chinese military are women? 4 and a half percent. What do we say? What is the clip? 18 here in the US four and a half in China.

[Mikey McCoy]

Yep.

[Faz]

Yeah.

[Cliff Maloney]

Think about that. Merit based is a hundred percent the right answer. And I agree. Pete didn't say that. He's talking about like the transgenders and these people that have mental delusions about what sex or gender they are, they should not be in the military. 100, full stop. But this is about winning the war. And if it's merit based and if it's about skill sets, you don't break that down by gender. You break that down by skills.

[Faz]

Yeah, yeah. And, and look, Pete Hegseth, he's amazing. But also I, I had an opportunity to talk with him at the White House a couple weeks ago and I just told him. I was like, it's a top down thing. When there's a man in a position like that that's talking like that, it inspires all of the under, you know, like, my brother's in the military. He, he had to see under the Biden administration there was a gay pride flag on the ship that he was on. And then on top of that, they had, there was a transvestite that was on his, his ship with him. And so I told these stories to Pete and he was like, look, when I came in, I saw that they were spending hundreds of millions of dollars on recruiting for the military. And when I saw where they were spending this money, they were spending it on the View and these crazy, crazy leftist television shows and programs. It's like, what do you think that produces? What do you think that produces? And he's like, I shut that down immediately. It produces transvestites that are on ships that this is not. If China's not doing it, why are we doing it? But it's bigger than just women in the military. Like there are legit gender delude.

[Mikey McCoy]

Deluded. Yeah.

[Faz]

Diluted transvestite, Delulu. The Lulu's.

[Mikey McCoy]

Yeah.

[Faz]

And then on top of that too, I mean, back to the H1B thing. And we talked about this on the show. Americans are resilient. Like we figure it out. And to women in the military, During World War II, women were making tanks and bullets. And maybe that's a role for women in the military.

[Mikey McCoy]

I just, I'm with, I'm, I agree with everything you just said. I'm glad, I'm glad I support Pete Hegseth. Jack you're totally right. What's getting lost in this argument is that's not at all what Pete Hegseth said. So, first of all, it's much ado about nothing. It's a fake conspiracy, fake hoax. Secondly, Blake is right. Male only. Like, fraternities are really powerful. There's something culturally that happens. This is what they did to the Boy Scouts. They ruined that. If you're around all boys and you're trying to learn how to climb the rope, guess what? You're gonna fail. Fail, fail, fail, fail. Until you get that right, women come in the Boy Scouts. You. You don't want to fail because you don't want to embarrass yourself in front of the girls. There's just things, like, a lot of things like that happen now. Are there roles for women in the military that make a lot of sense? Yeah, I think that. I think you could look at the military, the different jobs, the different functions and roles, and find a bunch of good jobs for them. Okay. When it comes to combat troops, when it comes to special ops, special Forces, I mean, these are gonna be predominantly male anyways, even if you had just a merit based system. But I think there's something about the male fraternity order that just from a cultural standpoint, just is absolutely, without a doubt, a thousand percent better if it's all men.

[Cliff Maloney]

And I think it's such a lazy argument they made on CNN that was like, all of Trump's cabinet or, you know, he was saying, the top military leaders are all white men. Who cares what race they are? Who cares what gender they are? Like, I just love that they. They imagine these quotas, and then they compare it to the rest of the United States. We are trying to win wars, we're trying to promote peace, we're trying to have a strong military. But it's just. It's almost sad to me that in 2025, they can still go back to those random talking points of, you see, you know, these blocking people, or he's trying to get every woman out. How about we just hire the best people?

[Mikey McCoy]

Well, I mean, the quota system. Well, you know, good for you.

[Blake Neff]

So, okay, but then we might have to. To throw it up, Angelo. Throw up. What we're gonna have to do. If we send our best people, are we gonna send Emma and Daisy back to war? We discussed this.

[Mikey McCoy]

I love that almost two years ago.

[Blake Neff]

I think the draft, our Daughters episode where we were like, well, you know, if we're gonna add women to the. To the Selective Service, we may just have to Send our women out. And Daisy would fit in even more now because she's pregnant. She could wear that pregnant flight suit that they made for the Air Force. But I did find it. I found the Jim Webb article, which is from 1979 and it's awesome. It's titled Women Can't Fight that. That's the name of it. And I just want to read a little bit of it because it's really evocative. He just opens this way.

[Jack Posobiec]

Women definitely argue though.

[Mikey McCoy]

So they could fight, they can argue.

[Blake Neff]

They can definitely argue. But can they fight? And so this is Jim Webb. Jim Webb fought in Vietnam. For those who don't know him, he goes. We would go months without bathing, except when we could stand naked among each other next to a village well or in a stream or in the muddy water of a bomb crater. It was nothing to begin walking at midnight, laden with packs and weapons and ammunition and supplies. Seventy pounds or more of gear and still be walking when the sun broke over mud slick patties that had sucked our boots out all night. We carried our own gear and when we took casualties, we carried the weapons of the ones who had been fit hit. When we stopped moving, we started digging furiously, throwing out the heavy soil until we made chest deep fighting holes. When we needed to make a call of nature, we squatted off a trail or we straddled a slit trench that had been dug between fighting holes. Always by necessity, always in public view. We swept in makeshift hooches made out of ponchos or simply wrapped up in a poncho. Sometimes so exhausted that we did not feel the rain fall on our own faces. We caught hookworm, dysentery, malaria or yaws. And some of us had all of them. And he it actually gets like more visceral from here. I don't want to read it forever, it's a quite long piece. But he's just saying like this is a purely, like it is a very, very male environment. And I'm going to skip ahead here and then I'll let you guys react. And what he says is, he says, let me get it here. Men fight better without women around. Men treat women differently than they do men and vice versa. Some of this is induced by society, some of this is innate because of the desire to pair off and have sexual relations. These tendencies can be controlled in an eight hour workday. They cannot be suppressed in a 24 hour, seven days a week combat situation. Introducing women into combat units would confuse an already confusing environment and it would lessen the aggressive tendencies of the units as many aggressions would be directed inward towards sex rather than outward toward violence. A close look at what has already happened at the Naval Academy during the three years women have attended that institution are testimony to this. It's an amazing piece. It goes on quite long. Looks like it's almost like 10,000 words long. But it's interesting. I just think we've gotten so used to it. We've gotten so used to the rhetoric of, yeah, we should just have an equal standard, but men and women are different that we're almost unable to conceptualize what used to be obvious, which is just men and women are so different and men are so much more suited for military stuff and men are so different from women that they operate differently with no women around that we sort of removed our ability to conceptualize what used to be obvious, which is just the military should be an all male institution for the most part.

[Mikey McCoy]

Based.

[Jack Posobiec]

So, Blake, here's the. So, Blake, let's get to the real thought crime now, because I think we've hit this one out. We talked about women in the military, but what about female police officers?

[Blake Neff]

Ooh, you know, like kind of the same thing. I think, like, there's a lot of jobs in the police force that are effectively paperwork based. But yeah, similar thing. I think it's probably a problem. It's a problem when you have cops who can't. Yeah, yeah, dispatchers, all that. But the average beat cop, a beat cop should basically be able to beat up maybe like at least at the 85th percentile of the people they're going to encounter. And you get real problems when you have officers out there who are encountering violent, psychotic, dangerous people, and they basically have no way they, you know, they're. If they're at the 10th percentile of physical ability or the 5th percentile or less compared to men. And let's be real, the vast majority of people that they're dealing with are men and they have nothing to deal with them except other. Except tasers or their gun. And I don't have the data in front of me, but I believe female officers are more likely to end up shooting the people they're trying to corral because they have to. And if you have an 80, a normal tall cop who's strong, you know, they can just tackle them, they can just use the baton. They can beat them down in other ways. They don't need to shoot them. But we have this fantasy, probably encouraged by television, where, you know, you have kung fu women cops who can weigh 115 pounds and take down anyone. That is a fantasy. That is not reality. That is a fake world. And it's the same thing that makes people when they have juries where someone does a shooting that's fatal. And you know, the jury's like, why didn't they shoot them in the leg? Because that's not real life. In real life, you can't just micro aim at specific body parts to disable someone. And in real life, a 115 pound woman cop is not taking down a 6 foot 2 crazy guy on PCP ever.

[Cliff Maloney]

I have a very simple answer. A woman that is not able to physically arrest somebody or pass the standard, like Blake said, should not be a copy. Just like a fat guy. A man who's overweight and is not able to patrol or to catch somebody should also not be a cop. It's just having a standard. They love the donuts. They love them like Blake. Well, Blake is a fat copper. Blake loves.

[Faz]

He loves the donuts, but he's gonna.

[Blake Neff]

Eat as many donuts as I want if I'm not. If I'm not a tubster.

[Jack Posobiec]

We actually may have some breaking news. See if they can pull this tweet up. I just, I just threw it in there because it involves us. But so the. Just as we were going live the. Or, you know, during the show, FBI San Francisco just posted a tweet saying the FBI is seeking the public's help in obtaining any video or images of acts of violence that have may have occurred during the November 10, 2025 Turning Point USA event in Berkeley, California. Video or images can be submitted online FBI.gov BerkeleyTPUSA and if you click it, they've created a tip website specifically for this event. So this is incredible. The FBI. I mean, I just want to step back here for a second. And as horrific and insane as the violence was, the FBI has gone from investigating conservatives like a year ago today with Arctic Frost and Turning Point and Charlie were definitely targets of that to now actually investigating people who are attacking Turning Point members on camera. Just what, what does he change? And by the way, please, if anyone, you know, if anyone can identify, There's a website. FBI.gov Berkeley TPUSA this is huge, Andrew.

[Cliff Maloney]

This is huge.

[Mikey McCoy]

Yeah. No, and I already retweeted the FBI one. And Harmeet Dhillon, Assistant Attorney General, said, were you at or around the TPUSA Berkeley event Monday, November 10th? And she says the FBI San Francisco is seeking digital evidence to support the federal investigation. FBI seeking information on acts of violence at the Turning Point USA event and she linked to that same thing. So I actually, during our show, I'd gotten that sent to us. I was going to bring it up, but. But yeah, this is a sea change because I think, you know, kind of on a, on a, on a little bit of a different wavelength, Jack, and I think you'd appreciate this. There's been a lot of consternation. We Talked about the H1B, the 600,000, you know, Chinese visa holders, student visa holders. And it kind of. There's been this disconnect it feels with the administration. And what you're seeing is you saw, you saw a clip today from JD Vance saying that we're going to be surging housing supply and we're going to be deport mass deportations are going to reduce the overall demand side on, on housing in the United States. So you've got them messaging now on housing and doing this Gen Z economic revival plan to get people to buy into the, to the economy. And then simultaneously there was a lot of pushback after the UC Berkeley event. You saw some of our friends like Cernovich basically poking the admin right in the eye saying like, hey, are you guys going to step up or is this all talk? And I think the base was saying we want action. And here you got the administration coming through and doing active, taking action to defend our students and to stand up against antifa. And then Marco Rubio has been messaging on it. So there's good things happening. That's all I'm saying. The administration is showing the ability and the flexibility to listen to the bass. Very good.

[Faz]

So what do you guys think about Christmas lights?

[Mikey McCoy]

Yeah, Jack, Christmas lights.

[Blake Neff]

Christmas lights before December are unacceptable.

[Cliff Maloney]

What?

[Jack Posobiec]

Christmas lights before adventure. Advent can sometimes start.

[Faz]

No.

[Jack Posobiec]

Yes, it can.

[Mikey McCoy]

Okay, so I will say that like.

[Jack Posobiec]

For example, this year, no, Advent is I think November 27th.

[Mikey McCoy]

So Faz and I were talking about how there's just way more people. There's way more people this year putting up Christmas lights on. Oh, that's what I'm talking about.

[Faz]

That's what I'm talking about.

[Mikey McCoy]

Here we go.

[Jack Posobiec]

November 3rd.

[Faz]

Get some spirit in here.

[Jack Posobiec]

Yeah, yeah.

[Mikey McCoy]

Here comes pregnant Daisy. Well done.

[Jack Posobiec]

No, no, this is wrong.

[Faz]

No, this is good.

[Jack Posobiec]

This is good. No, this is completely and utterly wrong.

[Faz]

No, this is great.

[Blake Neff]

Plug it in.

[Jack Posobiec]

Reject. Reject. Completely reject. You guys, you are erasing. You are erasing Thanksgiving.

[Mikey McCoy]

Okay, I have a Will not stand. Oh, the least.

[Jack Posobiec]

Thanksgiving.

[Faz]

This is great. I have a confession though. I set up for Christmas, November 1st.

[Mikey McCoy]

Oh, wow.

[Jack Posobiec]

No, this is.

[Blake Neff]

That's disease. That's depraved.

[Faz]

Well, that's what I'm talking about. Everybody needs a little joy in their life. No, it's great. 99.99 in Phoenix, Arizona is already playing Christmas music. Look, everybody needs a little joy in their life, especially at times like this. There's been a lot of chaos for us and look, you mean like I will. I will not apologize.

[Blake Neff]

Join your life. Why are you taking.

[Faz]

I apologize with. This happens. I will not apologize.

[Mikey McCoy]

This year we've seen a lot more people set up in October or after. After. After.

[Jack Posobiec]

It's literally a marketing strategy. It's just marketing for. For people to buy more stuff earlier to buy presents earlier. Which of course the libertarian probably loves. You know, the dirty capitalist.

[Blake Neff]

Yeah.

[Faz]

I wonder if this is as hot of a topic as Halloween. We should ask people to email freedomarlie. Kirk, when do you set up for Christmas?

[Cliff Maloney]

I mean, to me the standard is after Thanksgiving.

[Jack Posobiec]

I mean is that Christmas was never a pagan holiday.

[Mikey McCoy]

It was always after Thanksgiving.

[Jack Posobiec]

It is not based on Saturnalia.

[Cliff Maloney]

Thanksgiving's over and then you're setting up for Christmas.

[Mikey McCoy]

Listen, I'm an American and we have an American culture, and the American culture said after Thanksgiving, you set up your Christmas Christmas lights and you can do all that stuff.

[Jack Posobiec]

I'm with Andrew. America. Christmas is after Thanksgiving. Also, Advent is the start of the Christmas season in our house. We keep the tree up from the first Sunday of Advent through the.

[Mikey McCoy]

Through epiphany, basically, which is usually like early January. Correct. January 6th. Yes.

[Cliff Maloney]

J6.

[Mikey McCoy]

Is it a fixed. Is it. Is epiphany fixed or is it shift year by year?

[Cliff Maloney]

It's neutered.

[Jack Posobiec]

Pretty sure It's. It's always Gen 6.

[Mikey McCoy]

Okay. Point is, we now have this abomination.

[Jack Posobiec]

In our studio 12 days after Christmas. So it's. It's always January 6th.

[Faz]

This comment said Christmas is up November 1st. I'm with Mikey.

[Mikey McCoy]

Yes.

[Jack Posobiec]

You just hate America. I mean, America.

[Mikey McCoy]

I actually think Mike, he's on to something. I think a lot of people have been just like really rocked by this year with what happened to Charlie with. With just. All the c. People just want something that they like and so they're throwing up the Christmas lights early.

[Faz]

Let's get some joy.

[Jack Posobiec]

No, no, no. I'm not saying. I'm not saying that Christmas is bad, don't get me wrong. But I am saying that, like, we shouldn't just give away Thanksgiving.

[Mikey McCoy]

Like, I know why.

[Jack Posobiec]

Why are we doing that? Why would you just throw away one of America's greatest holidays.

[Mikey McCoy]

People like Christmas.

[Faz]

I love Thanksgiving. Yeah, I love Thanksgiving. And I will listen to Christmas jazz in the background, as I said.

[Jack Posobiec]

Actually, I think I know what the problem is here. I think I know what the problem is here. Is that you guys live in a desert where people are not supposed to live. And so you don't have seasons which are where normal. Which what normal people have. So if you live in a place where there's seasons, it doesn't make sense to have Christmas stuff up when the color, the leaves are changing colors.

[Cliff Maloney]

I agree with this 100%.

[Faz]

A bunch of woo woo. As Blake says.

[Jack Posobiec]

Well, there's some associated fall because it's the harvest and there's. And then Christmas is associated with winter, which is another thing that we have in like normal parts of the world. And, and that's when it's cold and there are no leaves on the tree. So it wouldn't make any sense for Christmas to be up at that time. But since you guys live in an artificially created space like the Sun Valley, where humanity was never supposed to live. God did not intend people to live there. He first flooded it with an ocean. He then put dinosaurs there. He then turned it into a desert. Like he's begging you, do not live in this place. And, and you guys just don't want to listen.

[Faz]

Well, let me now look.

[Jack Posobiec]

Which are based around God's nature don't make any sense when you apply them to a place like that.

[Faz]

This person said Thanksgiving is okay, but Christmas is king.

[Jack Posobiec]

Team Mikey Way to hate America. Way to just hate America.

[Cliff Maloney]

Now, let me, let me, let me actually backjack up on this. I think there's some nostalgia, especially growing up in Pennsylvania. Like it's cold for Christmas right there. There is the winter. There is. There is that nostalgia of like. And I, I hadn't thought about that since it's so hot here.

[Mikey McCoy]

No, Pennsylvania.

[Cliff Maloney]

No, I mean it's turning, but it's.

[Faz]

The definition for Christmas is cold. There's a lot of places that have Christmas in the US Right now.

[Cliff Maloney]

Yeah, but I think that's what, what Jack's saying I agree with is that it kind of connects in a weird way that's like. I don't know, like when I get off the plane here, how. How hot is it here right now? Yeah, exactly. I just think there's something about that.

[Mikey McCoy]

I don't know.

[Cliff Maloney]

I. We are agreeing though, that the normal timeline across the country gets very cold after Thanksgiving.

[Faz]

It gets very cold here at nighttime. It reaches like.

[Cliff Maloney]

That is the Traditional timeline after Thanksgiving you set up for Christmas.

[Mikey McCoy]

You're just admitting that you're not agreeing.

[Faz]

No, actually, I disagree. In fact, since I was like 17, my tradition in life has always been October 31st. At midnight, I play all I want.

[Blake Neff]

For Christmas.

[Faz]

And I continue the tradition to this day.

[Blake Neff]

Please stop playing that song.

[Jack Posobiec]

This is also American, just from a secular perspective.

[Mikey McCoy]

Because.

[Jack Posobiec]

Because Black Friday. Because of Black Friday. So Black Friday is Black Friday because it is traditionally seen as the first day of the Christmas shopping season. Season. That's why Black Friday exists.

[Faz]

You guys have a lot of talk.

[Jack Posobiec]

About Black Friday, but so like, like Mikey Nomics are. Are an affront to reality. And Mikey Nomics are something that we should completely.

[Cliff Maloney]

Can I be the great peacemaker here?

[Jack Posobiec]

Our heart, body and soul. Because pretty pretty much everything from Mikey we should oppose.

[Faz]

And.

[Jack Posobiec]

And it's. Black Friday exists again because it's the first day of the Christmas shopping season.

[Cliff Maloney]

Yeah, but here's the day. Here's the difference. Mikey. I think what Mikey is saying is that you can still celebrate Thanksgiving while you're setting up. While you're celebrating Christmas. And Jack, you're saying that no, if you start setting up for Christmas, you're pretty much blunting out Thanksgiving and not giving it its full value.

[Jack Posobiec]

It's Thanksgiving eraser. It's totally Thanksgiving erasure.

[Cliff Maloney]

The great passive occasion.

[Faz]

I will go to Starbucks tomorrow and enjoy a peppermint mocha and red food diet.

[Blake Neff]

Okay, I'm just gonna. All right, I'm gonna. I'm gonna argue with this back the other way. I'm taking this back the other way is encroaching.

[Jack Posobiec]

It is pumpkin spice season.

[Blake Neff]

If Christmas is so great, why don't you just have it. The Christmas decorations up all year?

[Jack Posobiec]

Yeah.

[Faz]

Okay. Fun story, though, because. So on New Year's Eve last year, Charlie and I flew straight to Florida for the transition team stuff and then straight to D.C. so I didn't even. I wasn't able to take down my Christmas decorations out outside, and I didn't come back from the East Coast. So I basically was on the east coast with Charlie for a month and a half, almost two months. So I didn't take down my Christmas lights until late February this year.

[Cliff Maloney]

But hold on. This is. So you set up.

[Jack Posobiec]

No, that's not shameful. That's not shameful because Candlemas is February 2nd.

[Cliff Maloney]

No, give me the. Give me the full timeline of. Were you having your Christmas decorations up last year?

[Faz]

It was about people.

[Jack Posobiec]

Like, keep it up until about February 2, the Feast of the Presentation of Jesus in the temple.

[Faz]

See, Jack's got my back.

[Blake Neff]

I.

[Cliff Maloney]

That.

[Faz]

Thank you, Jack.

[Jack Posobiec]

Hey, but I. I'm okay with you having it up for a longer time.

[Cliff Maloney]

No, no, Jack, you gotta hear. He's got to answer this. He's got to answer this. What was your full timeline, Mikey, of Christmas about?

[Faz]

November 10th through February.

[Cliff Maloney]

Got him.

[Jack Posobiec]

Wait, so this is basically. Wait, hold on, Mikey. I just realized something.

[Cliff Maloney]

You're.

[Jack Posobiec]

Wait, wait, guys. Mikey's been cuffing. That's what he's doing. This is cuffing season that he's talking about.

[Faz]

I'm married.

[Jack Posobiec]

You guys not know about cuffing season? Are you serious?

[Mikey McCoy]

Oh, gosh.

[Jack Posobiec]

October through March.

[Cliff Maloney]

No.

[Jack Posobiec]

Look at you.

[Faz]

Yes, I do know. Cuffing season six, seven.

[Jack Posobiec]

No, cuffing season six, seven. Wait, Mike, you know cuffing season?

[Faz]

Yes, of course.

[Jack Posobiec]

Yeah. These guys, the boomers, don't know it. Again, cuffing season is like. Is because during the winter. Like, during the winter holidays.

[Cliff Maloney]

Mistletoe, baby.

[Jack Posobiec]

People hook up and start, like, a. A relationship just so that they can have a date for all these various holidays so they can sit together in the cold and stream stuff together. Stream movies or whatever TV series is. And it's basically like. Yeah, it's like October through Valentine's Day, give or take.

[Mikey McCoy]

And.

[Blake Neff]

And then.

[Jack Posobiec]

So it means you're handcuffed together. That's the whole point. You're handcuffed together through all the holidays during this time. And then. And then the guys who don't know that they were just being cuffed, they realize that after Valentine's Day, they get cut loose, and they have no idea.

[Mikey McCoy]

This reminds me of Baby, it's cold outside, the Christmas song.

[Jack Posobiec]

So watch out, boys and girls, it's cut. Watch out, young, young I really can't.

[Mikey McCoy]

Stay Baby, it's cold outside. Here's a question my mother will worry.

[Cliff Maloney]

Thanksgiving. Do you guys have Thanksgiving parades where you're from?

[Mikey McCoy]

Yeah.

[Cliff Maloney]

Was Santa in the Thanksgiving parade? That was.

[Mikey McCoy]

That's Thanksgiving. The day of Thanksgiving. So you can play music on Thanksgiving. You can watch Christmas movies on Thanksgiving because it's like you're ushering in the season.

[Faz]

Yeah.

[Jack Posobiec]

No, you should watch Thanksgiving movies, Mikey.

[Cliff Maloney]

It's a quarter of the year.

[Mikey McCoy]

I mean, listen, the reason you don't. Hold on, Blake. I got to answer.

[Blake Neff]

I want to flag this, man.

[Mikey McCoy]

Go ahead, go ahead, go ahead.

[Blake Neff]

Well, I was just gonna say we got another donation from big man, S17. He says, Guys, y' all don't even know how much joy this show brings to my night. I am working almost every day until 1am it makes my week. All I can say is thank you. My name is Cade, but I can't change my name. He says thank you.

[Mikey McCoy]

Thank you, Kade.

[Cliff Maloney]

You're a patriot. We appreciate you.

[Mikey McCoy]

So here's why you don't keep Christmas decorations up all year. Even if you're gonna be a weirdo like Mikey and do it like after Halloween. Here's why. Because it's. Variety is the spice of life. It's special because it's a limited time offering only.

[Jack Posobiec]

Yeah.

[Mikey McCoy]

So to Jack's point, I like to limit that win. If you make yourself wait even longer, it gets even more special. I think you condense the specialness into a more higher octane of. Of Christmas specialness. That's fine. That's fine, Mikey.

[Faz]

If you disagree, I disagree.

[Mikey McCoy]

Do you have Christmas decorations up right now in your house? Yes.

[Cliff Maloney]

Yeah, but that's from last year.

[Faz]

That's great. But yeah, it's great. And lights are outside too.

[Mikey McCoy]

Oh, I forgot about that. Baby, it's cold outside. Went through all that criticism.

[Cliff Maloney]

Rape undertones.

[Mikey McCoy]

The rape undertones.

[Faz]

There's a.

[Cliff Maloney]

There's a stand up. There's a stand up comedian that does his bit where he talks about how that song got all this. This fire for. For the undertones. And then it was. I can't say this on air. Wap. Wap the. That song. And he read the lyrics to Wap and then read the lyrics to that and saying like, it's hilarious that we allow wet. Whatever.

[Faz]

Should we do that right now?

[Mikey McCoy]

I don't think we should rap before. Before Mikey gets. Pulls up the lyrics. Jack, you want to take us home?

[Jack Posobiec]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. But you dealing with something wet.

[Faz]

Bring a bucket and a mop.

[Jack Posobiec]

Bucket and a mop for this wet and. No, no, give me.

[Cliff Maloney]

I really can't.

[Mikey McCoy]

Outside. Not. Baby, it's wet on the floor. It's disgusting.

[Faz]

Oh, see?

[Jack Posobiec]

Mack truck.

[Cliff Maloney]

The Mack Truck reference.

[Jack Posobiec]

And actually, maybe, maybe Wap is a Thanksgiving song because it does have the word gobbled in it.

[Mikey McCoy]

All right, well, at the time where Charlie would be like, why don't you.

[Jack Posobiec]

Tweet that Christmas movie? Could be a Thanksgiving movie.

[Faz]

You should tweet that, Jack.

[Jack Posobiec]

Why not? I'll tweet it right now. Well, you think I'm. You think I'm scared? I'll tweet it right now.

[Mikey McCoy]

This is.

[Jack Posobiec]

I mean, Wap should be a thanks giving song since.

[Cliff Maloney]

Gobble gobble. Hashtag it.

[Jack Posobiec]

Word. No, just one gobble. There's only one gobble.

[Mikey McCoy]

Oh, this is oh, this. This is why lyrics imply coercion or pressure to stay. Especially the line, say, what's in this drink? I forgot that line.

[Faz]

I mean, bring a bucket.

[Mikey McCoy]

It was 1940s. There wasn't roofies in the 1940s, was it there? Anyways. All right, Jack.

[Jack Posobiec]

No, it's just. It's just a guy. He's wooing her. He's wooing her?

[Mikey McCoy]

Yes.

[Jack Posobiec]

He's wooing her, wop. He's just.

[Mikey McCoy]

Oh, gosh, now, see, now just wooing her wise.

[Cliff Maloney]

Cut the feed, please. All right.

[Jack Posobiec]

Just wooing her, wop. That's all it is.

[Mikey McCoy]

All right, we're gonna go. It is Thursday. Right now in our new time. I'm gonna take us home because somebody asked.

[Cliff Maloney]

Please, we're counting on you.

[Mikey McCoy]

Remember, keep committing thought crimes. Thought crime is death.

[Jack Posobiec]

My dream.

[Cliff Maloney]

I don't need to end my darkness.