THOUGHTCRIME Ep. 110 — OnlyFans Immigrants? Minneapolis ICE Riot? The Donroe Doctrine?

Summary

Podcast Summary: Human Events Daily With Jack Posobiec

Episode: THOUGHTCRIME Ep. 110 — OnlyFans Immigrants? Minneapolis ICE Riot? The Donroe Doctrine?

Date: January 10, 2026
Panel: Jack Posobiec (Host), Blake Neff, Andrew Surabian, Mikey, Tyler, with a recurring satirical appearance by “President Nicolás Maduro”

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Overview

This episode of "Human Events Daily" convenes the Thoughtcrime panel for a raucous, wide-ranging discussion of current events, marked by their signature irreverence, skepticism of mainstream narratives, and satirical takes. The key topics this week are the ICE-involved shooting and riot in Minneapolis, speculation and humor regarding OnlyFans models receiving US “artist” visas, left-wing organizing tactics, and broader reflections on civil disorder, political polarization, and social media's cultural effects. Comedic interludes and parody, notably a running Maduro spoof, are woven throughout, but the panel maintains a consistently critical tone toward the American left, current immigration policy, and media framing.

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Key Topics & Discussion

1. Satirical Interview With "President Nicolás Maduro"

[01:13–08:20]

• The show opens with an elaborate satirical bit featuring “President Nicolás Maduro” (a panelist in character) humorously bemoaning his (fictional) extradition to the US and new prison life, riffing on headlines about coups, extraditions, and Trump's role.
• "Maduro" jokes about Venezuelan oil being poor quality and recommends selling to China, laments untrustworthy Cuban bodyguards, and makes irreverent quips about prison conditions and cellmates (notably “Diddy”).
• Comic highlight:
  • “How are your conditions? How are the facilities there in New York? And what is it like being cellmates with Diddy?”
    President Maduro: "It's not bad at all. Back home, our prison—no good. No water, no food. In New York, I get to play chess." [05:38]
• The panel use the parody to lampoon both US and Venezuelan politics, and segue into the night’s main issues.

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2. Minneapolis ICE Riot & Law Enforcement Confrontation

[12:06–44:41]

Background and Breaking News

[12:06–13:38]

• Panelists discuss the rapidly trending story of a woman (Renee Goode) killed in Minneapolis while intervening in an ICE operation, comparing the event to the CHAZ/CHOP autonomous zones and the 2020 George Floyd riots.
• Blake Neff points to left/progressive outrage on social media and attempts to lay blame on Trump, law enforcement, and city/state leaders.

Critique of Leftist Activism and Police Response

[13:38–17:54]

• Focus on the coordination and escalation of so-called “car blocking” tactics—activists using cars to obstruct ICE operations, sometimes violently, resulting in injuries and deaths.
• Clip played [16:12]: Graphic video of an ICE officer being dragged by a car during an enforcement action (“These images show the officer’s hand in the vehicle…dragging him 300ft”).
• Jack Posobiec outlines staggering increases in assaults and threats against ICE officers.
  • “In this country, there have been four different domestic terrorist attacks on federal officers by the ramming of vehicles… ICE alone is facing a 1,300% increase in assaults…and an 8,000% increase in death threats.”
    [17:15, Jack Posobiec]

Organizer Tactics and Online Coordination

[18:43–22:40]

• Panel agrees that left-wing organizing against ICE, including vehicle rammings and “car blocking,” is frequently coordinated on open channels (Instagram, Reddit, Discord).
• Andrew Surabian: “They just do it right out in the open…and you don’t see social media companies taking action.”
• Blake Neff live-checks Reddit: "ICE watch orientation tonight, 7pm, Zoom… remember to join these events with a VPN." [20:42]
• Post Millennial story is cited, confirming Renee Goode was a trained ICE Watch activist.

Strategic Discussion: ‘Martyrdom’, Media, and Race

[23:19–34:17]

• Tyler suggests leftist organizers strategically select white women to lead these acts, maximizing media impact (“I think they want the white female vote in America...to feel bad for white women who become victims of their self-created crime.” [30:37])
• Blake Neff and others debate whether this is deliberate or more a function of self-selection among “NPR-listener” liberal women.
• Panel contrasts media and street response to white and black victims, referencing George Floyd and BLM riots, arguing riots are less likely for a white woman but that targeted ideological violence might increase.
  • “You only get like the looting style riots… after a BLM coded event… after Floyd, after Freddie Gray, Michael Brown…”
    [34:17, Blake Neff]

Political & Legal Stakes

[45:22–55:10]

• Panel theorizes about escalation: If a local DA or state AG tries to arrest a federal ICE agent (“lawfare”), could this provoke even deeper federal-state conflict?
• Discussion of the Insurrection Act, federal supremacy, and historic precedent (Little Rock, LA riots, the Civil War's Fort Sumter crisis) as frameworks for federal response to state defiance.
• Blake Neff: “Number one thing is do not let ICE shoot a cop—make a cop shoot one of them if it’s going to happen.” [57:51] (On optics and escalation)
• MPPOA’s statement is cited, expressing support for law enforcement unity and condemning anti-police rhetoric:
  • “Irresponsible, reckless rhetoric from political leaders attacking law enforcement … fuels hostility, emboldens bad actors and puts lives directly at risk.” [59:06]

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3. OnlyFans “Artists” & Visas – Satire on Immigration Policy

[61:47–74:41]

O-1 “Genius Visa” Laxity

[62:23–65:54]

• Financial Times report: Influencers and OnlyFans models dominate "extraordinary artist" (O-1) visas, meant for award-winning scientists/artists/athletes.
• Blake Neff: “Apparently, we now give [these visas] to social media influencers and OnlyFans models. Basically, if they have millions of followers...you can qualify.”
  • Mikey: “So OnlyFans models, social media influencers, are claiming half of coveted US visas meant for movie stars.” [63:51]

Parody & Policy Critique

[65:54–70:45]

• Andrew Surabian: "It's no longer the O-1 visa—it's now the HO-1 visa."
• Tyler proposes a solution: “Just require a recommendation letter from their dad for a HO-1 visa.”
• Running joke about Blake Neff chairing a review board, rubber-stamping “BEGONE, THOT” on visa applications.
• “President Maduro” returns to joke that his wife Celia came to the US on a HO-1 visa to do OnlyFans content (“They like this—Celia HO-1”).
• The panel debates (“They’re taking jobs away from Americans!”), and notes that just 1% of OnlyFans creators actually make a living.

Cultural Critique and Broader Context

[74:07–74:41]

• Tyler: “The monetization of influencers has created a whole new channel of a different kind of lazy—mental illness… It’s a bigger problem. Society needs people who are productive and doing things contributive.”
• Comparison to China’s policy of glorifying scientists and productive work in media content.

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4. Memorable Moments & Quotes

• On strategic polarization:
  “We’re fortunate this didn’t happen in the summer months. The only thing saving Minneapolis right now from a Floydapalooza 2.0 is the freezing temperatures.”
  — Mikey [33:21]

• On social media organizing:
  “The left is pretty good at being decentralized about things... Reddit’s got a whole page dedicated to ICE watch. Hey, this is where ICE is today.”
  — Blake Neff [18:43]

• On radicalization and consequences:
  “If you actually believe that ICE are fascist Nazis, then you’ve been told your whole life the best thing you can do is go out and fight the Nazis… They don’t call you a Nazi because they think you are one. They call you one because they want to be able to kill you and get away with it.”
  — Andrew Surabian [28:01]

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Timestamps of Major Segments

• 00:01 - 08:20: Satirical “President Maduro” interview and banter
• 12:06 - 22:40: Minneapolis ICE riot news, tactics, leftist organizing, open-source activism
• 22:40 - 34:17: Who gets blamed, “martyr” selection, contrasts with BLM protests, race & media
• 34:17 - 44:41: Escalation scenarios, legal consequences, federal/state showdown possibilities
• 45:22 - 55:10: Discussion of federal powers, Insurrection Act, historical cases
• 61:47 - 74:41: OnlyFans/O-1 visa discussion, cultural impact, “HO-1” visa running joke
• 74:41 - End: Cultural reflections, panel banter, closing thoughts and listener mail

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Tone & Style

• Language: Highly irreverent, often comedic; sarcasm, wordplay, and in-jokes abound.
• Political Stance: Fiercely anti-left, anti-establishment. Panelists regularly mock/provoke political adversaries.
• Satire & Parody: “President Maduro” appearance lampoons both US and Venezuelan politics.
• Cultural Critique: Criticism of American culture—especially influencer/OnlyFans economy—and media manipulation permeates the episode.

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Summary for New Listeners

This episode is a dense, rapid-fire collision of current events analysis and media satire. Beyond the surface-level humor, the panel forcefully argues that left-wing activists and political leaders are intentionally creating conditions for conflict with federal agents (in ICE raids and beyond), with social media fueling organization and escalation. They express deep cynicism toward the mainstream media's framing and the purportedly farcical immigration policies now admitting “influencers” and adult-content creators as elite immigrants. Their comic sensibilities, particularly the recurring “Maduro” bit, provide levity while reinforcing their cultural critiques.

If you want a blend of late-night irreverence, rapid-fire news recaps, and iconoclastic skepticism—this is your episode.

Transcript

[Jack Posobiec]

From the age of Big Brother.

[Andrew Surabian]

If they want to get you, they'll get you. The NSA specifically targets the communications of everyone. They're collecting your communications. Well, ladies and gentlemen, welcome aboard to this week's edition of thoughtcrime. It is Thought Crime Thursday, and by the way, we are live. Live, so if you've got your rumble rants, please make sure to throw those up because we will be reading them. And my lovely assistant, Blake Neff, of course, will be the one reading them. Blake, how are you?

[Blake Neff]

Hello. I'm great. Just remember, the worse your take, the more likely it is that we'll notice and read it. So definitely be sending in those really awful takes like, Philadelphia sports fans are great, or Philadelphia sports fans are human beings, or more likely to react to those precisely because of what we are.

[Andrew Surabian]

Not all are crushing machines.

[Blake Neff]

Guys, look at the top right corner. What in the world is that?

[Mikey]

It's a. It's a Blake lookalike.

[Blake Neff]

I don't have a mustache.

[President Nicolás Maduro]

You talking about me?

[Andrew Surabian]

What's going on up there?

[Blake Neff]

What is.

[Mikey]

Is that.

[Tyler]

Oh, my.

[President Nicolás Maduro]

Nicholas Maduro.

[Mikey]

Oh. President.

[Andrew Surabian]

On Thought Crime. Well, this is quite a surprise. How do we refer to you? Ex president, former president. Do you still identify as president?

[President Nicolás Maduro]

I a decent man and innocent. And President Trump allowed me to do one podcast, and he said I can do it. They talk crime and I get taken from my house in Venezuela, and he taken me here, and I do one podcast. A crime. Hola.

[Andrew Surabian]

Well, straightforward, that. Mr. President. Now, Mr. President, what do you say to these allegations that it was your own government that handed you up, that it was your own vice president and your own security forces that basically wanted to get rid of you and sold you out to the Americans?

[President Nicolás Maduro]

No, they lying about me. I don't do nothing wrong. I is doing. I number one president in South America, Trump, take me for no reason, and I give it a good oil to the wrong people and he get upset at me for what? Ain't nobody sell me out. I have number one Secret Service Cubano.

[Blake Neff]

Wait, do you have. Do you have the water bottle in your hands, the one they gave you on the plane? Yeah, he does. He has that same water bottle.

[President Nicolás Maduro]

They only give me one.

[Blake Neff]

Yeah, and you got to make that stuff last.

[Mikey]

Got to milk it.

[President Nicolás Maduro]

Yeah, they take me for no reason.

[Andrew Surabian]

Now, Mr. President, we're also told that Delta Force was able to pretty much cut right through all of your presidential guard, like, pretty much like a hot knife through butter. We're told something like 55 Cubans were killed, possibly 80 soldiers. Total. In total. Why is it, Mr. President, that you didn't try to, I don't know, train your forces a little bit better or have better security?

[President Nicolás Maduro]

Is not my problem, is not my fault. Cubano. My protecting service is all Cubans. You cannot trust them. They prove they're very bad. They start, no bueno. And I need them to protect me. And they don't do a good job at all. It's no good. See, you understand? Yeah, See, See.

[Andrew Surabian]

Now, Now, Andrew, of course you speak Spanish. Maybe you can help me translate some of this. But you know, being of course, that you're Mexican.

[Blake Neff]

This is a good one.

[Mikey]

I like this.

[Andrew Surabian]

And President Maduro, I just wanted to ask that now we understand that your wife was also arrested the same time as you had. You know, we need to know and people are asking. I see the chat is lighting up. While you were on the plane, were you able to become members of. Of the Five Mile High Club?

[President Nicolás Maduro]

See, they allow us a two minutes and we do it. But I have to say two minutes.

[Andrew Surabian]

But that's really enough time to.

[President Nicolás Maduro]

When I arrived in New York, I was shocked to see how many illegals are in the city because. How do you say it? Remind me of Venezuela. I feel like I'm at home. So many of them, but they're all Mexican. I don't know why.

[Mikey]

They'Re Puerto Rican.

[Andrew Surabian]

My final question, My final question, Mr. President, El Presidente, is we're also told also your prison cell seems to be in some kind of prison library. How is it like, how are your conditions? How are the facilities there in New York? And what is it like being cellmates with Diddy?

[President Nicolás Maduro]

See, it's not bad. It's not bad. It's not bad at all. It remind me of me and the Celia. We do a much similar. And Didi do it much similar to the Celia do. And back home, our prison no good. Back home, our prison no water, no food. You work in New York, I get to play chess.

[Mikey]

You good?

[Blake Neff]

I mean, no food and no water in a Venezuelan prison. Sounds like it's also like a Venezuelan.

[Mikey]

Restaurant, a Venezuelan mall, a Venezuelan grocery store, supermarket.

[President Nicolás Maduro]

Yeah, see, see? But I eat. See, ain't no problem, guy.

[Andrew Surabian]

Do we have Tyler? Is Tyler here?

[Blake Neff]

Yeah, we do. We have Tyler here. He seems thoroughly.

[Mikey]

He came in.

[Tyler]

I feel like I walked in the middle of something. I. I don't.

[Mikey]

I don'. Any questions for president?

[Tyler]

Tyler's just thinking.

[Blake Neff]

Tyler's thinking. I already got in trouble for dumb stuff. Now I'm going to get in trouble for more stuff like this segment.

[Mikey]

This is not dumb stuff. This is serious. International serious geopolitics.

[President Nicolás Maduro]

No, this. This number one. Meet the president. Need number one President Trump. Allow me to do a one podcast.

[Mikey]

So, Mr. President, what would you, if you were advising President Trump what to do with the oil, the Venezuelan oil, What do you think America should do with it?

[President Nicolás Maduro]

Two things. One is really bad oil. It's no good. Dirty oil. That's why it is so hard, See? And number two, the Chinese pay good money, good client.

[Mikey]

So sell it to China.

[President Nicolás Maduro]

See? Esta number one client. No problem.

[Mikey]

It's good. Thank you for that advice.

[Andrew Surabian]

Or would you mean perhaps no problemo.

[President Nicolás Maduro]

Yeah, no problemo. I give a speech six months ago. I say Venapurbi la Esperaqui, Miraflores. No legal in the president. Think I call him cowardice. I know call him coward. All I want is peace. I want peace, no war. And he arrests me for no reason. And me and Cecilia Esther Como said this wrongfully put in the prison. Why? For what?

[Tyler]

Oh, boy.

[Mikey]

I think that covers the Venezuela.

[Blake Neff]

I think that does. I think that covers Venezuela very capably. But we're planning to talk about that later in the show. But, Jack, we were also very excited to hit our first topic for the day before Mustache man introduced on our podcast. I guess he must have chloroformed. No, he's not deposed. He's still a president. Yeah, he's el presidente distracted that, you.

[Andrew Surabian]

Know, Trump allowed him on the podcast President. I mean, you don't have anywhere else to go. Do you want to just. Do you want to just sit and join us on Thought Crime tonight and just kind of. Just kind of go through the topics. We had a whole show planned before you. Before you, you know, crashed our, you know, crashed our event. So would you. Would. Do you want to just go through the show?

[Tyler]

I don't recognize.

[President Nicolás Maduro]

Thank you. I will love it. Thank you for invite.

[Andrew Surabian]

All right.

[Tyler]

He needs his. He needs his Venezuela sash. Do they let him wear a sash in prison?

[Blake Neff]

Probably not a sash.

[Andrew Surabian]

Not since. Not since Jeffrey Epstein.

[Tyler]

He's had to take his sash off.

[Andrew Surabian]

Is it true, Mr. President, is it true that. Did they put you in Jeffrey Epstein's cell? And is it true that he may have left some things behind in that cell?

[President Nicolás Maduro]

He did. But my next door is Didi. And I tell Didi, I said, you like oil? And he say, yeah, I like baby oil. I say, I also like oil. Venezuela, we have a lot of it. And he do not good things to me. With that oil.

[Blake Neff]

TMI. Mr. Presidente, I.

[President Nicolás Maduro]

Sorry, but it's no problem.

[Mikey]

I'm sure your wife was very upset about this.

[Andrew Surabian]

It's a bit of.

[President Nicolás Maduro]

Oh, no, she likes.

[Andrew Surabian]

She was okay with this, right?

[President Nicolás Maduro]

See, Celia do the same thing to me back in Caracas.

[Andrew Surabian]

Oh, so you're familiar with Diddy then, as it is?

[President Nicolás Maduro]

See, did he invite me to parties I cannot make because I get a restate if I go to America. So I stay in Caracas and now I go to didi party every day.

[Andrew Surabian]

Well, you know, it's interesting because, Blake, I think you were just about to say our first topic might actually lend itself to something that might be potentially helpful for people who are in President Maduro's situation. They're stuck inside, but they do have computer access. So this is something that might actually be useful for them.

[Blake Neff]

Do I want to hit that or do we want to hit Minneapolis first? Jack, we have. We have a couple options.

[Andrew Surabian]

Well, you know, we do have. So here's the situation. You know, obviously we've got people on the ground in Minneapolis. We've got assets on the ground. Human Events has people there right now keeping an eye on it. We just saw, obviously, Commander Bovino got into a scuffle with a couple of these agitators. His security had to get involved. It looks like he was totally okay from that perspective, but there's no question they are starting to target him more. And we know the sun is going down there in Minneapolis. They're also outside of this, you know, this area where the shooting took place. They've created, you know, some kind of autonomous zone or maybe perhaps the early stages of an autonomous zone similar to what we saw in Seattle five years ago with the Chaz. I don't know if this is the. Going to be called the maz, the Minneapolis Autonomous Zone. So we'll see. But we know that Mayor Fry actually did order police out of the area. And barricades are now be set up. Being set up like it's the French Revolution. And it's. It's. What can I say? The Bolsheviks, the Marxists, the Jacobins, the. Right, here's a. Here's a video of it now. So these barricades are being set up like it's the French Revolution. The Jacobins are back, the Bolsheviks are back, and they're doing the exact same things they did before. So obviously we're going to be keeping an eye on that. If something pops off, we're going to. We're going to go straight to it. But did you guys. Blake what do you think? Should we, should we get into this story now?

[Blake Neff]

Yeah, I think.

[Andrew Surabian]

I think so.

[Blake Neff]

I think, I think it's just the biggest. It's the biggest story of today had.

[Mikey]

Yeah.

[Blake Neff]

Going through the extremely arbitrary measure of how many tweets on X. It had trending shoved in my face. It was like several million. And I think, you know, the topic we're questioning, the sort of, the big picture question is you could say who killed Renee. Good. Because there's really, you know, there's a lot of good candidates because everyone's decided to blame. Some people are blaming, you know, the officer, but a lot of people are blaming President Trump. We have people saying he needs to be impeached, he needs to be arrested, he needs to be probably. Who knows what they would want to say.

[President Nicolás Maduro]

And.

[Blake Neff]

But we were saying on the show today, I think the person who bears the most responsibility is probably Mayor Jacob FFRY and then Governor Tim Walls. And the reason they bear responsibility is they decided to pit their own people against ICE as political pawns, as human shields, and they wanted something like this to happen. They were all, they're over. Deep down, they are overjoyed that this took place. They wanted to create a situation like this and they got their wish and they're celebrating right now.

[Andrew Surabian]

Yeah, I mean, yeah, there's no question. I mean, some of the stuff that I've been seeing, by the way, is pretty insane in terms of them going, going and talking about how then. And Blake, you've definitely seen this before with a lot of other, you know, Kyle Rittenhouse type shootings or other police based shootings where they'll say, they'll sit there and say, oh, well, why didn't the officer just, you know, shoot the tires? Or oh, why didn't the officer just do this? Or why didn't just do that? Did he have to do this? It's like, oh, yeah, yeah, he should have just shot the steering wheel. Just shoot the steering wheel out of her hand so she can't turn into him. Why didn't he just shoot her foot so she wouldn't be able to hit the gas? This is ridiculous. These kind of statements are ridiculous.

[Mikey]

And.

[Andrew Surabian]

And then, of course, it came out today that the same officer had actually been hit. I forget exactly the amount of time is a couple of months ago, I think June and he. It was June, so a couple, about six months ago. So he required 35 stitches in that incident where he had been drugged and numerous incidents where this is going on. And I think, you know, I think we're all generally in agreement that the officer was in the right here and the protester was not, the agitator was not. But what I. What I would like to get into with the gang, since we are on thought crime, we're supposed to be committing thought crimes. What is going on with these NPR listener women who seem to think that they can just commit acts like this with reckless abandon and face no consequences whatsoever? Why do they seem to think? Because there are other people. And Cassandra Fairbanks had this TikTok video that she posted earlier today where there was another woman out of Charlotte and she was saying, oh, yeah, me and my friends were going around looking for ICE agents and trying to block them as well. And we never thought that something like this could happen to us. But now I'm starting to get scared. What if that happens to me next? And it's like, yeah, if you see police officers out conducting an arrest or out, you know, dealing with a, you know, I don't know, a car crash, anything like whatever they're doing, and you drive up to them and block your car in front of what law enforcement is doing, you're going to have a bad day. All right, I don't know if this is going to happen, but if you try to ram them with your car, then, yes, definitely this is going to happen and you're definitely going to have a bad day. And what's crazy to me, though, is that these liberal, you know, the AWFLs, the AWFULs, have never seemed to actually face any real consequences at all in their lives.

[Mikey]

Well, and there's this clip. I think it's 344. Did I find it? 344, I believe. Yeah. This is getting. This is when he got dragged. Jack. 3, 3. 34. Play cut. 334. These images show the officer's hand in the vehicle. In this video, you can see the driver take off with the agent hanging from the car, dragging him 300ft through front yards. These graphic images show the aftermath. A bloody agent who needed 33 stitches for his significant cut. Yeah. Oh, my gosh. And by the way, I hadn't seen that. Yeah. And, you know, here's the deal. It's this. Let's see here. Kristi Noem. You can do this. 299. Kristi Noem detailed yesterday that just in the last. Just in recent weeks, there's been over 100 ramming incidents involving ICE agents. There was four the day of the fatal shooting, three of which happened in Minneapolis. 299 today alone.

[Jack Posobiec]

In this country, there have been four different domestic terrorist attacks on federal officers by the ramming of vehicles. Three of them happened here in Minneapolis. We've seen over 100 of these vehicle rammings happen in just recent weeks. And this must stop. ICE alone is facing a 1300 increase in assaults against them and an 8000% increase in death threats against all of them. In fact, the very same officer who was attacked today had previously been dragged by an anti ice rioter who had rammed him with a car and drug him back in June. He sustained injuries at that time as well.

[Mikey]

Yeah, so my question is, because this has been going on for months, these ramming incidents, my question is, who's training them to do this? Like what message boards, what private discord chats, whatever, who's funding it? Because I watched a story in detail. It was probably in like, I want to say October, November, and it was in Southern California. The guy instantly calls his lawyer, which was connected to some, you know, nonprofit that was getting funded through a nonprofit. So where does that nonprofit get its money to pay the lawyers? How did they coordinate with the local citizen observers so that, so that these people know where to call and who to call when they get in trouble? And then within two hours, this guy was on with Aaron Burnett on cnn crying victim because he was harassing, stalking ICE agents in the field.

[Blake Neff]

Yeah, I mean, I don't know that they need to be trained to ram someone with a car. It just, it seems pretty straightforward in how they do it. But what you will find if you float around in left wing circles online, that the thing about it, I guess that the right should understand is the left is pretty good at being decentralized about things. So you can just be in, you know, a discord server, you can be on threads or Bluesky or whatever. You can be just in private chat rooms, you can be in signal groups, you can be on text chains. And they're just very good at sharing knowledge and they're very good at organically getting all aligned on an issue.

[Mikey]

We should do that here.

[Blake Neff]

And so, but we won't do that here because that's just, that's a fundamental difference between the.

[Guest Commentator]

Right.

[Mikey]

How they would be. Yeah, but.

[Blake Neff]

And how they. And how it's also, it's one of.

[Andrew Surabian]

The things I would just add is that it's also that they don't need to necessarily always to go into discord chats and private servers because their stuff doesn't ever get banned on. If you, you can go on Instagram and find antifa Pages posting, oh, do this to more ICE agents or they have like ICE Watch different sites that are up. Reddit's got a whole page that in Minneapolis dedicated to ICE Watch. Hey, this is where ICE is today. You need to keep an eye them and then you can go in the comments and you'll see people coordinating these types of activities and these types of attacks or people will post fliers about this is where we're going next week. Facebook has had this up for years. They've never done anything about it. Instagram as well, both same company meta. Reddit has it all over the place. So again they just do it right out in the open. And unfortunately you don't actually see either the social media companies taking action against it. And you definitely don't see action taken until unfortunately events like this take place. And you see agents in this case having to defend in fact and fend for their lives and be in this situation when they shouldn't have to be because the National Guard should be there already.

[Blake Neff]

In fact, it's just a thing because you mention it. I just decided to search ICE Watch Minneapolis and on Reddit's Minneapolis page there's ICE watch orientation tonight, 7pm Zoom. So that's probably 7 Central. That's an hour and a half from now. And someone says remember to join these events with a VPN and but you know, I suspect you don't need to join it with a VPN if you just.

[Andrew Surabian]

By the way, it just came out.

[Blake Neff]

People should police if you go look.

[Andrew Surabian]

At post Millennial just posted up a story that in fact Renee Goode was a quote, ICE Watch warrior who was trained by far left activists to disrupt and resist agents. So she is someone who received this training. She is someone who possibly was working with this Reddit page or something similar where through. Listen, listen to this. Through school and activist groups, she became involved with an ICE Watch group, quote, a loose collection of activists whose mission was to disrupt ICE during operations. Similar groups and agitators have been forming all over the country with the goals to dox, disrupt and block ICE from carrying out lawful operations to remove illegal aliens from the city. Let's see, where is this one? She received training. This is someone, someone who knows her from, knows her from school. She received training, very thorough training to listen to commands, to know your rights, to whistle when you see an ICE agent. This is what she, she had done. So people who knew her say that she was actively involved in training to disrupt ICE operations. And these types of groups are out there. They have been forming they're doing. So I just mentioned the one in Minneapolis. It's right there in public. Anyone can go see it yet. Reddit will not take action against this. We haven't seen indictments against any of the people doing this. We haven't seen the DOJ come and try to take down these Reddit pages at all. The way they take down pages again, they just do it right in the open. And here's the article right to your.

[Mikey]

Point that I mean to, to corroborate the fact that she was obviously trained. This was a eyewitness to this event. 281.

[Jack Posobiec]

They clearly wanted her out of there because she was the main car leading the. The protest, is my understanding. I talked to another guy who was driving behind her, but she was, she was very, she was very successful in blocking traffic. She was doing what she was. What she was set out to do. And so they wanted to get her the hell out of there.

[Guest Commentator 2]

Yeah.

[Tyler]

So it looked like she was impeding ICE vehicles, definitely.

[Blake Neff]

Yeah, that was her goal.

[Tyler]

Yeah. And there's actually, this actually goes way back though. This is, this is almost 10 years ago. So I'll just point to 10 years ago here in Arizona. There is a group that's called mijinte that's still operational. I wasn't sure if they're operational, my people, but they have been. Thank you so much for that. I should have asked the President actually, for a translation. Is that correct?

[Mikey]

President Presidente. Mi Gente. In English.

[Tyler]

So Mi Gente has actually been operating for well over a decade. And I actually just did a quick search of their website where they giddily talk about, you know, car blocking as a tactic. So this has been a tactic that's been used in Arizona. They, they were doing this, if you remember, 10 years ago, car blocking, using vehicles to get in the way, which was just referenced in that video, which is, again, this is what happens. I mean, what can go wrong when you take crazy people, you ignite them through an organization like Mi Hinte, you put them in a vehicle, you tell them to use the vehicle to impede lawful conduct. And then, you know, wouldn't you know it, you know, they could actually maybe hurt somebody. Because vehicles are one of the deadliest things that you could give a crazy person. And so this one I'm looking at is a protester was transferred to immigration authorities in Arizona.

[Blake Neff]

Was.

[Tyler]

But after they were again doing the same exact thing. They were blocking. This was 2016. This is March of 2016. So this is.

[Mikey]

Yeah, these guys are anti civilizational arsonists. This is what they are. They're civilizational arsonists.

[Andrew Surabian]

Go ahead.

[Blake Neff]

Oh, the President disappeared.

[Guest Commentator]

Calling ice. Yeah, the President's gone. Mikey's back. They spent the last year calling ice, you know, the Gestapo, the Nazis, the fascists. And then we're supposed to be surprised when people and Tyler brought it up. I mean, car blocking is a thing on the left. So we're supposed to be surprised when people interfering with an ICE operation get the consequences of interfering with an ICE operation. And so they think that nothing's going to happen to them by using their car. And you saw in that clip, that lady, she was leading the way. She was obviously trying to stop this ICE operation, and she found out what the consequences were. And so I don't think car blocking is going to be a big thing on the left anymore now that they've found out what the consequences are. But we can't be surprised when you interfere with an ICE operation that that's actually stemming from the left constantly labeling our brave ICE officers as fascists, as Gestapo, as Nazis. And they're not actually enforcing the law in our country, but they're actually just taking decent, nice, innocent families and deporting them for absolutely no reason at all, of course.

[Andrew Surabian]

Well, and that's. That's what I want to get into, though, is because you've got people that just live in this soup all the time, and particularly it's these affluent female white women, some cases more middle class, and they're just listening to NPR over and over. Fisher King had a tweet up earlier where he said NPR said that ICE shot a woman in her car just while she was sitting in it. Didn't even mention anything about the gas. Didn't even mention anything about assaulting the officer or trying to run into him. And so I. This is still what I want to get into, is how is it that we have these massive pockets and swaths of our population where there's millions of people caught up in this fried mental model where they just think it's totally fine to go and interfere with police. Like, it's. It's like. It's. It's a section. It's. I think it's kind of like LARPing in a sense, like live action role playing. But it's something where, like, they don't actually realize that this isn't a game, but they think it is.

[Guest Commentator]

Yeah, they think they're the Robin Hoods of our society and that they're upholding the, you know, the social and moral law of our country when they don't actually realize that you're breaking the law by coming into our country legally. But also, I don't know if you guys have seen the clip of the car. Its tires actually slid because it was icy out there. And there it was cold, and the tires didn't catch traction. But thank God that happened, because if it didn't, the ICE officer 100% would have been run over before he was able to take the shot. And so say what you want, but, yeah, you can see it in this clip. She speeds forward, and her tire does not catch the traction. So say what you want, but you cannot be the Robin Hood of society and uphold what you think is actually the law of our country. When these brave icers are putting their lives on the line day in and.

[Andrew Surabian]

Day out, it's like they actually. If you actually believe. Right, if you actually believe that ICE are fascist nazis, then you've been told your whole life that the best thing you can do is go out and fight the Nazis, go out and kill the Nazis. And look, every one of us on this program right now, and, you know, we know exactly what the consequences of something like that can be. When you're told over and over that someone's a nazi because they don't call you a nazi because they think you're one. They call you one because they want to be able to kill you and get away with it.

[Mikey]

Yeah, well, and I. So, Mikey, you were saying that perhaps we're not going to see any car rammings, but I think it's a little more insistent, like, you know, because now somebody's effed around and found out.

[Blake Neff]

I think we'll see more.

[Mikey]

I think it's. I think it's more insidious than that. I think that they wanted this to happen. They didn't wanted this to be totally staged.

[Andrew Surabian]

No, but it was 100% staged.

[Tyler]

Here's the problem, though, is that again, this whole thing, the only way to stop a bus, deporting a bunch of people is put a car in front of it. The only way to, you know, block a road is they're not going to do this with human change. They've done that before. You know how easy that is to get. They, they. They have trained people to put people in vehicles. They're going to. You're going to have crazier people than ever before in vehicles doing more.

[Mikey]

What I'm saying is. But what I'm saying is they wanted somebody to die.

[Tyler]

That's what I'm saying. They want Their own.

[Mikey]

They want, they want a few martyrs so that they can now protest and do do their own. Chaz in Minneapolis, although it's freezing, they're.

[President Nicolás Maduro]

Not going to be there.

[Tyler]

But this isn't it. There's going to be more.

[Mikey]

Yes.

[Tyler]

They want more people. They're going to have a lot more.

[Blake Neff]

They'll want to. Yeah, I think they'll do more car, certainly more car blockages. They'll. And they'll make a whole stunt at it. Are you going to shoot me too? And like, frankly, ICE needs to plan now for what their plan should be. And I feel like the best plan for what they should do is if you are blocking ice, we are going through your car 100% of the time. You basically, they need to get. You can't mess around with all the cars. You can't let yourself get bossed around by people who are willful disruptors of the social contract and willful underminers of law and order. When people try to get hooked on these memes, they're, they're trying to increase entropy. They're trying to obliterate the ability for ICE to do its job. The only way you can stop that is you just say nope, every single time. Bam. Your car is gone, you're off to jail, you're getting a prison sentence.

[Tyler]

I have a theory though. My theory, my theory though is that they actually want white women being the ones driving these cars.

[Blake Neff]

Well, they certainly are the easiest ones to recruit to drive the cars.

[Tyler]

Well, no, I think they potentially want white women to drive the cars and they want. Because I think, because if you look in the past, in the past they were kind of recruiting like Hispanic leaders to be involved with this. That doesn't exist anymore. And I think it's intentional. And part of the intent, the intentionality of that is I actually think they want to influence white women to feel bad for white women who become victims of their self created crime. Does that make sense? Yeah, like I actually think that the insidious thing about all this is they're actually intentionally recruiting white females to get involved with this because they know that the white female vote in America is probably going to be more, more impacted by a crazy white female getting killed by ICE agents.

[Blake Neff]

I'm telling you, I just don't think they need to be deliberate about it. There is infinite young white, they self select. But they do definitely want them as the martyr.

[Tyler]

They want them as the martyr.

[Mikey]

They're probably bad drivers and they're also like most likely to do something stupid. Think that they're like G.I.

[Blake Neff]

Joe. Like, if you need to stick someone's face on a poster and like, this is the martyr, you don't want to use those, like, antifa mutants that they get arrested in Portland all of the time. You want someone who has a face, ideally no tattoos, ideally no.

[Mikey]

Like weird middle girl next door. Yeah, yeah, exactly.

[Tyler]

But they don't want it to be a minority because that's unimpactful to the vote, the voter that they're trying to influence.

[Andrew Surabian]

But Tyler, why is it though, Charlie.

[Guest Commentator]

Always talk about how. Yeah, how we're team civilization and their team anarchy. And so if their ultimate goal is anarchy, which is to make, you know, a new Chaz to burn down Minneapolis and burn down Wendy's. Well, you see two extremes here. You see George Floyd, who was arrested and died doing something wrong, which was stealing, beating women, taking fentanyl, and Derek Chauvin, upholding the law, who should be out of jail, by the way. And then on this case, you see a woman who's interfering with an ICE operation and both of them get killed in the process. And so if the ultimate goal is anarchy in the world of fair and equitable, why isn't the white woman getting the exact same riots and burning in the streets and destruction of a city that the black man got? That's not very fair and equitable.

[Blake Neff]

If the victim is white.

[Andrew Surabian]

You're not going to get the Somali community riled up about a white woman. You're not going to get BLM riled up about a white woman. It's just not going to happen.

[Mikey]

Well, but here's the thing.

[Andrew Surabian]

It's totally not going to happen.

[Mikey]

Honestly, part of this, we're fortunate this didn't happen in the summer months because I'm telling you, it's cold in Minneapolis. Let's see how big this Maz Chaz community grows or how big it's cold. And I know that some will, like most passionate will do it. But I'm telling you, the only thing that's saving Minneapolis right now from a, from A Florida Palooza 2.0 is the freezing temperatures.

[Blake Neff]

I disagree. I think it. I think it does matter that it was a white victim. And so who know, I radicalize. This is more radicalizing to the extremes. It greatly. Here's what's more likely to happen. You're a lot more likely after this to have, like, I'll be frank, an antifa psycho with an AR15 goes and tries to ambush and murder ICE agents. That is a lot more likely than after, like A bombing? Yes.

[Andrew Surabian]

Firebombing or pipe bombing or something that, that type of thing. Sure we do, we do see that kind of like targeted leftist white violence. But targeted violence, it's just wanton riots.

[Blake Neff]

You only get, you only get like the looting style riots, let's be frank, after a BLM coded event. And you can look back, we had them after Floyd, but we had lesser local ones after Freddie Gray in Baltimore, you had Michael Brown and Ferguson. I guess that didn't boil our.

[Mikey]

Yeah, but you're right though, because it's kind of like the Cerno, Steve Salier like, observation that, you know, if you're gonna like Cerno's always saying, and Jack, back me up on this, that when you get a white guy, not dissimilar from, you know, a Tyler Robinson person, right, like silent but very deadly. They, they, they. When they get radicalized, they, they actually.

[Andrew Surabian]

It's not an impulsive violence. It's a, it's a meticulous, methodical, planned out type of.

[Mikey]

Versus the spray and pray like Floyd of Palooza rioting, you know. Yeah, yeah.

[Andrew Surabian]

Which is, which is horrific. I said on War Room earlier today that it would, that it would not surprise me if one of the things that we see next is an attempt to assassinate Commander Bovino. He's walking around there all the time. He is a very well known target. He's on TV all the time. And as horrific as it is and as, as you know, obviously ghoulish as it is to talk about, you do have to actually point that out to say, look, you know, this guy is going to be a massive high value target for the left. And I guarantee you. And we just, we just saw them assault him once, so I guarantee you. What were they doing? They were testing security and they're gonna, they just, the trainee just showed up at JD's house a couple of nights ago. Charlie, of course, is still no longer with us. And this is what I don't get when I see so much like, like infighting and like all the insanity going on in like the conservative media world right now. And it's like guys, they're, they're literally Bolsheviks at the door who are trying to kill us. They've killed one of us already. They are not stopping. They're trying to kill isis. They've got, they've got like middle America moms going behind the cars of suv, fully radicalized. Blake, you and I used to talk about this. Radicalized to the level of ISIS charging at ICE officers. And we're sitting there still wondering, like, oh, well, you know, let's just talk about something else. Like, this is going on. This is real, and it's happening.

[Blake Neff]

The right, the right is very aware. Like, we'll brag about this. You know, you'll see those polls that say liberal women are way more likely to report having, you know, a diagnosed mental illness than conservative women. And also liberal men are more likely to report a diagnosed mental thing. And the really insane people are more likely to be on the left. And as we've pointed out, like, you know, the trans epidemic that correlates with every single mental illness known to man, they're vastly more likely to have all of these. These are mentally unwell individuals. And yeah, sometimes that manifests as I post embarrassing things on the Internet, but sometimes that manifests as I try to do a mass shooting. We've had at this point while, like, over the holidays, we just, you know, we got additional confirmation that the Nashville shooter was actually motivated by, like, aggressive racial grievance just straight up in their notebooks. It's like, oh, I should target this school because it's white instead of black. And we saw transgender radicalism in the Minneapolis shooting. You just, you have all of these ingredients for lunatic people to express themselves in violence. And they're endlessly getting this media script from political leaders on the left, from Governor Walz, from members of Congress, saying, yeah, let's play it.

[Mikey]

May 2025, Governor Tim Waltz at some. At a college, by the way, at a college, at a graduation ceremony. I remember 42 graduation.

[Guest Commentator 2]

Donald Trump's modern day scapo is scooping folks up off the streets. They're in unmarked vans, wearing masks, being shipped off to foreign torture dungeons. No chance to mount a defense, not even a chance to kiss a loved one goodbye. Just grabbed up by masked agents, shoved into those vans and disappeared. To be clear, there's no way for us to know whether they were actually criminals or not. It's not hyperbole to say we're not far from a world where anyone could get that knock at a door. And there's no guarantee you'd get your day in court or that you'd ever make it home alive from whatever corner of the world they stick you in. Now, if Trump and his folks want to come for Minnesotans, we need to make sure that there's a firewall that they have to come through before they get to them.

[Blake Neff]

It's so deranged. It's so deranged.

[Tyler]

He doesn't even know history well enough to be able to Pronounce Gestapo.

[Blake Neff]

Yeah, Gestapo. So. And like the specific precedents matter here, the Gestapo was declared a criminal organization after World War II. You just being a member of it made you a criminal. Same thing they did with the ss. And he's saying, oh, masked agents are going to abduct you from your home. He's basically saying, America is ruled by a criminal terrorist gang. That is not disagreement with immigration policy. That is not, oh, I don't. I think we should have amnesty for immigrants. That is, there is a criminal gang going around terrorizing people. And what do you do against criminal terrorist gangs? You shoot them. That is what they are communicating. That is what they are saying every day. They absolutely. They want. The thing is, is they want both outcomes. As we said on the show today.

[Guest Commentator 2]

They.

[Blake Neff]

They want to stoke the lunatics who will get out a rifle and actually murder them because they think 1. It might force ice to dial things back. It might keep people from joining ice. It'll make their enforcement operations harder. But it also increases the risk for these Renee Goode type individuals who. Who are just trying to get in the way, block things up, get in their face. Because it's that balance. It's that every ICE agent, when someone gets in their face, has to wonder, is this the lunatic with the rifle who's going to kill us? They get more nervous. They get more jumpy. They're more likely to be forced. They're way more on edge. That's why. That's why cops are more likely to shoot someone in a bad neighborhood. They're terrified, oh, this guy in this traffic stop could kill me.

[Mikey]

They just want to get home to their families at night, and meanwhile, they put their bodies on the line during the day and, you know, somebody might kill him. And you're totally right. All right, go ahead. Yep. I don't know who's.

[Andrew Surabian]

No. Breaking out of Portland. They're saying that two people were shot in Portland by U.S. customs and Border Patrol agents breaking out of local ABC.

[Blake Neff]

We'll see how that one went down. Let's see.

[Mikey]

You know what's frustrating about this, too, is that, guess what? We're not talking about as soon as this happened in Minneapolis. We're not talking about Somali fraud. Yeah.

[Blake Neff]

Oh, we're still in Minneapolis. So at least we'll have that. It's just Minneapolis is the number one content producing city in America.

[Mikey]

It really is.

[Guest Commentator]

Yeah. Yeah, exactly. And that's the thing. This happened that we just played this. Go ahead.

[Andrew Surabian]

I was just gonna say this happened like, what, like four blocks Away from where George Floyd died? Yes, like this, this shooting neighborhood happened within walking distance of where George Floyd died. That is just mind blowing to me.

[Guest Commentator]

How far away from the Cheesecake Factory. That's Tim Walls thing.

[Tyler]

Like that's what I want to know.

[Guest Commentator]

Yeah, this is all smoke, smoke and mirrors with him because if he can get you to spend all of your time thinking about the Gestapo and the Nazis and the fascists that are wrongfully arresting beautiful, kind, you know, people participating, members of society for absolutely no reason and sending them back to their country even though they actually broke the law, then he can get you to ignore the fact that under his administration there was billions of dollars that just disappeared through Somali fraud and daycare fraud and just fraud in general. And so I think it's really rich when this guy is talking about ICE agents that are actually doing their job. And because they're doing their job, they're getting docked, they're getting their addresses leaked, they're getting bricks thrown through their windows, they're getting their families threatened for doing their in upholding the law. And so when this guy says, you'll have your day in court, it's just so sweet, so, so sweet. Such sweet justice. When we can say, no, actually, Tim Walls, you'll have your day in court for actually breaking the law and trying to get us to all look in the other direction, the wrong direction, to focus on things that are not the truth, to focus on people that are actually doing their jobs and upholding the law.

[Mikey]

Yeah. So FBI Portland is investigating an agent involved shooting that happened at approximately 2:15 near the 10,000 block of Main street in Portland involving Customs and Border patrol agents in which two individuals were wounded. This remains an active and ongoing investigation led by the FBI.

[Blake Neff]

Follow this, my guess, just totally guessing here. Most ICE shoots people. Most of these are going to be people they're trying to arrest. And so I would guess that's probably what the case is. I looked up the address that this occurred at. It's in a very bad part of Portland. The Glenfair neighborhood appears to be a frequent.

[Mikey]

Yeah, but if you're seeing, if you're an illegal immigrant and you're getting, trying to, you know, ICE is trying to nab you and you've got this big story going on in Minneapolis and all the left wingers are all riled up, then you might think, oh, this is the time to really like press it and try and get away and flee. So it's not to say that those two stories aren't disconnected, you know, yeah. One involves a US citizen who's a white lady, 37 year old white lady, and the other one's probably, you know, let's be honest, probably Hispanics or some other minority group. But it still increases the temperature in the country that listen, it's brazen anti law enforcement activity where everybody thinks that they have a role to play in standing up to law enforcement. No. Whatever happened to what my dad told me was just like if a cop pulls you over, you go 10 and two, you take the keys out of the car, you turn it off, you roll down the window and you say, yes, Mr. Officer. Hi officer.

[Tyler]

Wait, you turn on worship music first?

[Mikey]

Yeah, you turn on worship music.

[Blake Neff]

It's just.

[Mikey]

No, but like this is, this is the world I was raised in and all of a sudden these people completely flip everything and think that they have some right to go play vigilante justice on the street.

[Andrew Surabian]

I think there's a different song though that Andrew always makes sure is playing when he gets pulled over.

[Mikey]

Okay, here we go.

[Andrew Surabian]

Wow, they missed a little slow.

[Blake Neff]

Every time. It's true. Every time he walks into the office that starts playing and the weird thing.

[Andrew Surabian]

Is just starts playing.

[Blake Neff]

It's not coming from his phone or from any audio thing. Everyone just kind of hears it.

[Mikey]

It's like it's my DNA. It's just like my DNA is just resonating.

[Andrew Surabian]

Yeah, that's right.

[Mikey]

Me and Maduro. Yeah. Even though Venezuela probably. But yeah.

[Blake Neff]

I think that my most important takeaway on this is I do think we care about actually achieving the administration's goal, what it was run on, which is get deportations, mass deportations. And so they need to be thinking, they need to be strategizing now at DHS inside the White House. What is the left likely to do in response to this? And then what are we going to do in response to that? They can't be caught flat footed. So if they're as we predict, there's going to be more car blockages, they try to exploit this. What's your strategy with that?

[Mikey]

What I've seen some of them mentioning some of the political leaders, city council, local DA saying like, come at us, we're going to arrest you. Like they're going to start trying to bend state law to be able to arrest some of these federal law.

[Blake Neff]

You have to be ready for that. Eventually someone is going to try to become, make them frankly, someone's going to try to make themselves a presidential front runner by being the one who pulls the stunt of trying to arrest an ICE agent. While they're doing their operations. It might be Mamdani in New York. I guess he can't run, but he would still want that publicity. Might be Walls in Minneapolis. It could be someone in. Or in Seattle.

[Andrew Surabian]

Let's go through that for a second because. So Keith Ellison, we know, was the one who personally came in and oversaw the charges on literally Derek Chauvin himself. So not exactly known for, as being a bastion of support for police in Minnesota. Could the attorney general here, could the state of Minnesota bring murder charges on this officer?

[Blake Neff]

They absolutely could try. There's nothing preventing that.

[Mikey]

We talked about that today actually with Eric Schmidt, who's a former AG of Missouri. He said that that would, that basically the charges would get rolled into a federal, the federal supremacy would kick in and it would become a federal charge, basically because it's a federal law enforcement. That was his, that was what he said. I forget. Yeah, I think he used.

[Andrew Surabian]

We were chatting about this earlier too, and I think, I do agree that, I think with, with AG Schmidt that the supremacy clause would reign here. This was a federal officer who was undergoing, undertaking federal duties. There's no question. And so, yeah, a federal officer could be indicted for, you know, all sorts of state crimes. Like you could, you could commit a hit and run or something like that. You break the laws and get arrested. But if you're conducting your duties as a federal officer, then that would basically get thrown out in federal court. Like, it's just, it's just not something that a state can do.

[Tyler]

Well, this is, this is, the whole thing that I'm dealing with right now is like the whole supremacy thing. Right? This is where the left wants to use lawfare to try to invoke state law, to try to go after, I mean, think about like, what was going on with the elector stuff in Georgia. They try to go down to the county level to indict Trump at the state level. They're indicting political opponents at the state level because it's under, away from the federal government. So if Trump's in office, obviously they're going to try to do everything they possibly can to indict whoever using state powers. Right. And again, just to your point, Jack, the law is very clear that the federal government's in charge. And where it's in charge, they, they have no, no say. But that doesn't take, that doesn't solve the cheesecake incident from blm. The BLM rights. Do we have that clip I got there, the cheesecaking? Do we, do we have that, Angela? Okay. They're still grabbing it. Oh, dang.

[Mikey]

All right.

[Tyler]

I teed that up.

[Mikey]

Cheesecake.

[Andrew Surabian]

He actually went to Cheesecake Factory.

[Mikey]

What is the cheesecake thing? I don't get the cheesecake thing.

[Tyler]

It's. It's gonna. We're gonna pull it up. This is like one of the things that was like hilarious while we were going through all this back in the BLM riots. So we were covering all this stuff when Minneapolis was getting like ransacked. And they were. Remember, they were like ransacking every single city or every single store. They shut down everything. They boarded up all of downtown Minneapolis except. And they were covering this. And this clip came out on the news. Do we have it soon?

[Mikey]

Almost. Yeah. So soon.

[Tyler]

They're looking now.

[Blake Neff]

It's actually. There's a long. There's a lot of legal. It's back and forth. Specifically on the. Can they prosecute a federal agent who is doing federal action Is. There's some funny ones. Like during Prohibition or in 1898, Virginia charged a tax collector posse who shot and killed horses and cattle during a shootout. Who they claimed they were ambushed while trying to collect taxes. There's like prohibition related cases. It would be interesting. But I would say before you worry about the charges, I think that won't be dramatic enough. Someone is going to want to try to arrest the agents.

[Mikey]

Yeah.

[Blake Neff]

While they're doing their thing. And you have to be ready for how you handle that. They should not allow that to occur without having a plan.

[Mikey]

Wonder what the plan would be because. Because that could devolve into sort of like a shootout. I mean, it could.

[Blake Neff]

And I think. I think you have to say like. I think you have to hold firm on that sort of thing. Maybe make them have to. Actually, what I would say is you probably want to make them have to shoot first. But you cannot allow them to stop you.

[Mikey]

343 is the cheesecake clip.

[Tyler]

Yeah. Let's pull this.

[Mikey]

343.

[Jack Posobiec]

They see someone actually walking away with a cheesecake there after the Cheesecake Factory was looted. Unclear where they may have gotten that.

[Blake Neff]

I think it's abundantly clear where she got the cheesecake. The Cheesecake Factory.

[Tyler]

It's the greatest clip ever.

[Andrew Surabian]

This.

[Mikey]

I never saw this.

[Tyler]

No. We were laughing about out here.

[Mikey]

I don't. I see. I was only on for 50%.

[Tyler]

We had. We literally. They were robbing every store including the Cheesecake Factory. This chicks walking out with a plated cheesecake. And the first of the news in Minneapolis is how stupid these people are. They're unclear where they got the cheesecake from the Cheesecake Factory. They're the Factory. You just said the Cheesecake Factory was looted.

[Mikey]

It's Minnesota. Nice. They didn't want to assume.

[Tyler]

I don't, I don't think that Cheesecake Factory.

[Blake Neff]

Maybe they left. Maybe they. Maybe they. Never mind. Can't. So many good jokes.

[Tyler]

This is what I'm saying. Everybody needs to be on guard in the Cheesecake Factory in Minneapolis because that thing could get looted at any moment.

[Mikey]

So wait, I want to play this, this idea that. What's up, Jack? Before I get interrupted again.

[Andrew Surabian]

I know. No, I always do woes with the, you know, with the breaking and there are some people. It still remains to be seen. Caveat, Caveat, Caveat. But I'm seeing some people in the chat. And then I went back over to Twitter to check it out where they're saying that the ICE CBP shooting in Portland may also have involved a vehicle assault.

[Mikey]

Stop it. See?

[Andrew Surabian]

So not confirmed yet, but I'm seeing in a couple of places right now.

[Tyler]

You're hearing it first. If you're watching live here on Thought Crime, you're hearing down to the second. And for new information, this is such.

[Mikey]

A fascinating vein of thought, though, what Blake was just talking about. So if you have, let's just say Minneapolis PD or what about its National Guard. What. Where does, where does that fall into?

[Blake Neff]

Well, the National Guard, that's much state level that. I mean, certainly if this, we have a good precedent from that, from a place called Little Rock where if you muster the National Guard to try and say, I'm going to block the execution of federal law here, that is the clear. That is the clearest precedent in the world for where the president can step in over the head of a governor.

[Mikey]

And just commandeer the National Guard.

[Blake Neff]

Yeah, like you could debate whether he's able to do it just in a normal riot. But that is what happened in the infamous Little Rock case was Orval Faubus called out the National Guard and said, we're going to block the integration of our school. Eisenhower says, no, you're not. I'm federalizing the Guard and they will enforce integration. And so that is what you could certainly have here.

[Mikey]

Waltz has, has yesterday he gave a warning, which apparently is the first step, says mobilize, get ready. You might be mobilized. And he literally said in the clip, because I need to protect the safety of Minnesotans, including potentially from rogue ICE agents, which is a direct head to head between state and federal officials. Now, Trump hasn't federalized the Minnesota National Guard. I'm sure he's willing to Blake from a historical standpoint. Then what about the Insurrection Act? People keep saying we need the Insurrection Act. Where would that play a role?

[Blake Neff]

I. I think people just. I think that's a meme that's in people's head.

[Mikey]

Okay, but what came up. Okay, okay. You don't think it's practical here, but what. What would it entail? What. What happens when the President invokes it?

[Blake Neff]

I'm not sure. I'd have to reread it. I don't know, off the top of my head.

[Mikey]

Let's look it up. Unless, you know, Jack, do you know.

[Andrew Surabian]

But what's the history of the Act? I mean, goes all the way back. Yeah, I mean, it goes back as far as George Washington used it in the Whiskey Rebellion. I mean, what happens is the president. So the LA riots are like the classic example of this in 1992. So George H.W. bush, at the time, Federal, calls in the National Guard, declares an insurrection and calls in not just the National Guard, but also even the federal active duty.

[Mikey]

Active duty US Armed Forces. Yeah.

[Andrew Surabian]

I believe it was active duty Marines from Camp Pendleton who came down, as well as National Guardsmen, many of whom who had just served in units that had just been in like, Gulf War and Kuwait and other spots that had just rotated back to the Los Angeles, California area then came in and they are ordered under the President of the United States to conduct operations within the United States to put down an insurrection, put down these mass acts of lawlessness. So, yes, the President can do this. We've been doing this since our very first President. And I always like to add that not only did George Washington order and use the Insurrection act, or, you know, a similar. Similar legal device, he actually commanded troops while. While sitting as President to put down the rebellion in Western Pennsylvania.

[Mikey]

So this is so. Yeah, so you're right, Jack. The act has been invoked about 30 times since the late 18th century. And it looks like. So it can happen at the state's request or to enforce federal authority when laws are obstructed or to protect constitutional rights when unlawful combinations or conspiracies deprive people of them. So, yeah, the President can actually deploy active duty U.S. armed forces and or federalized state National Guard units. So that would be like the Little Rock incident. And then so we've got 1992 Los Angeles rights. Right. H.W. bush invoked it. California governor's request. You have the civil rights era. Eisenhower, Kennedy and Johnson used it multiple times during school desegregation and then labor disputes. 1800s, early 1900s. That was suppressing strikes. Right. When they were striking against employers. Reconstruction era Grant invoked it multiple times in the South.

[Blake Neff]

Like I said. I think I was gonna say don't focus on the.

[Andrew Surabian]

Was it used in Katrina?

[Blake Neff]

It might have been. I think. I think people are demanding the Insurrection act because it was brought up a lot during, frankly, Floyd of Palooza in the Florida Palooza and also after, like January 6th. That was in. That was in the water as a thing to discuss. So I think it's. It's in people's vocabulary. So people are mad at tomb walls. So they're saying, invoke the Insurrection Act. I think much more than, oh, do you need to invoke Insurrection act or not? And I suspect the answer is no. There hasn't really been a riot in Minneapolis yet. Again, have that thought process of if someone is trying to. If they're. They're going to up their lawfare efforts against ice, against ICE agents, against ICE operations, and they just need to have a game plan for how they're going to.

[Mikey]

I totally agree.

[Blake Neff]

Deportation ops continue.

[Mikey]

Well, that was the case. What happens if there's a standoff if they try and arrest an ICE officer? That is a super interesting, like, and scary question.

[Blake Neff]

Do not allow them to do it.

[Mikey]

Yeah, but I mean, just imagine if local cops are literally exchanging bullets with federal cops.

[Blake Neff]

That's the thing. I, again, you kind of think about crises like this. Actually, you know what? People want to make the Civil War comparison. I'll get you a Civil War comparison. Fort Sumter. It's actually worth reading how that crisis goes down. So the south has seceded. And what they are doing is they are claiming ownership of all the federal forts in the south where the US Military is. There's several of them, and we actually evacuate most of them because we can't hold them. But Fort Sumter is off the coast of Charleston, and Lincoln refuses to evacuate it. South Carolina says, you have to leave. We've seceded. You don't own this anymore. Get out. And Lincoln refuses to do this. But what he very importantly does is he's also adamant we are not going to shoot first. We are not going to shoot first. We're not going to shoot first. I'm not going to send any munitions to the fort. I'm only going to send food to the fort as an example. He's only going to supply the men so they can remain in place. But without any addition, he's not going to, like, fill it up with gunpowder and shot. And he's very clever about doing this, because what Lincoln realizes is, if I have this fort open fire on the city of Charleston, we are the aggressors. We look like the bad guys. If the Southerners go up, fly off the handle and start shelling this fort that did not shoot at them, now they are in rebellion, and that will be vastly better for us, frankly, winning the Civil War. And he's hugely correct in this. The south cannot help itself. They open fire on this fort, there's massive rally around the flag sentiment in the North. Everything is different. So if you're going to have a showdown between Minneapolis police and ice, the number one thing is do not let ICE shoot a cop. Make a cop shoot one of them if it's going to happen.

[Mikey]

Well, and there was.

[Andrew Surabian]

And hopefully that doesn't happen at all.

[Blake Neff]

Yes, 100% hope it doesn't happen.

[Mikey]

Check this out.

[Blake Neff]

But that's why they need to have that discussion now, because those lawfare attempts are going to increase.

[Mikey]

So this was actually a statement released yesterday by the. I'm just getting the graphic here by the Minnesota Police and Peace Officers association. And they listen to this quote. So hopefully this would bode well for this scenario. Not happening. The Minnesota Police and Peace Officers association stands firmly behind law enforcement officers accountability under the law and the safety of every Minnesota community. Irresponsible, reckless rhetoric from pol. Political leaders attacking law enforcement. So they're standing with their ICE brothers is what this says.

[Blake Neff]

Nice.

[Mikey]

Has real and dangerous consequences for officers on the street. When officers are villainized, demonized, or used as political props. It fuels hostility, emboldens bad actors and put lives directly at risk. And they asked us to stop using inflammatory language and respect the legal and investigative process. Boom. Hopefully that's a good. Hopefully that means that the cops, all the. All the law enforcement guys are on the same team and they know that. So hopefully that doesn't happen.

[Andrew Surabian]

But you get that brotherhood.

[Mikey]

Yeah, it still could, though. I mean, there's still gonna be. There could be bad actors, I bet. You know what I bet is somebody like Tim Walls or Jacob Fry, they have their, like, you know, Somalian, Somalian, like, police force unit that would go in there and do his bidding. It's got like, hey, you know, you gave me the political kickbacks, but I protected your fraud. Now it's time to call in the favor. I need you to go arrest. And I see.

[Blake Neff]

Yeah, I think we missed a lot on this topic.

[Andrew Surabian]

What if. What if. So because Tim Walls, I guess he was in the National Guard. I don't know if he still is or not, but somebody was saying that they should recall Tim Walls to the National Guard and then invoke the Insurrection act, but just for Tim Walls.

[Blake Neff]

That would be funny. That would be funny. I don't know if we have the.

[Mikey]

Power, by the way, and make him have.

[Andrew Surabian]

And by the way, and make him have to go and guard the spot where the ICE agent was shot. So he has to be the one who has to stand there the whole time. And if he doesn't, he goes to jail.

[Guest Commentator 2]

By the way.

[Andrew Surabian]

I did look up the Katrina response was not the Insurrection act, although active duty troops were used. There is another act called, I had to remind myself, called the Stafford act, that is used for when active duty troops come in for disaster response. So, yes, islands of the 82nd Airborne were there and they use these for hurricanes, you know, routinely.

[Mikey]

I looked up the Whiskey Rebellion and that was actually the militia act of 1792. And it was because in those days, right after the Civil War or the Revolutionary War, it was like all the states had militias, local militia groups, and so it was essentially the same thing, but it was, you know, for local militia groups. So.

[Andrew Surabian]

All right, we've got an hour. Guys.

[Blake Neff]

Guys, we have a topic that we have to hit because you won't let us hit it next week. Guys, we have to talk about a different immigration topic. We need to talk about.

[Mikey]

This is how.

[Blake Neff]

Jack, we need to talk about. The horse.

[Mikey]

The horse? No.

[Blake Neff]

The whores. Andrew. No. Only fans.

[Mikey]

Maduro's wife.

[Blake Neff]

So this is an. This is unbelievable.

[Tyler]

This is. You guys are.

[Mikey]

Quick.

[Blake Neff]

Mikey, can you stick the mustache back on?

[Mikey]

Yeah.

[Blake Neff]

Anyway, no, this is a headline that was in here before.

[Andrew Surabian]

That was someone else.

[Blake Neff]

Oh, you're right. You're right.

[Tyler]

So four doors.

[Blake Neff]

This is Financial Times earlier this week. Influencers and only fans. Models dominate us. Extraordinary artist visas. Now, this is like a hall of fame, somewhat misleading headline because they don't really back that up in the substance. But it's come up. We've talked about the O1 visa on this show and on the O1 visa. So that's kind of the. In short, it's like the genius visa. It's what the people think the H1 visa, H1B visa is. This is what it actually is. It's for supremely talented people who have world class abilities in science, athletics, the arts, you know, supremely talented people. And you just need to have them in your country because they are world class at something. And it's long existed. It's, it was created apparently in response to the Nixon administration tried to deport John Lennon, which they should have, but they were apparently unable to do so. But then later in 1990, Congress created this O1 visa and it includes. It's a visa you can just get if you're a top artist. But instead of giving this to, I guess, top classical musicians or, you know, Olympic caliber athletes, apparently we now give them to social media influencers and only fans, models. Basically, if they have millions of followers and a lot of engagement on social media, you can qualify for an O1 visa and come to the United States.

[Mikey]

This is insane. So only fan models, social media and social media influencers are claiming half of coveted US Visas meant for movie stars.

[Blake Neff]

Yeah.

[Andrew Surabian]

So what you're saying is, what you're saying is that it's no longer the O1 visa, it's now the HO1 visa.

[Mikey]

Okay.

[Andrew Surabian]

Home agreement, ladies and gentlemen.

[Mikey]

Got me laughing more was Angelo. I could hear him in the studio cracking up like a beat ahead because it's just the audio gets bad.

[Blake Neff]

It's bad. The best part really like, very good.

[Mikey]

Jack, reading this article give you your flowers.

[Blake Neff]

What's amazing is in the article they have some lawyer complaining and it's not that oh, we shouldn't have only fans visas as a concept, it's they complain. New York based attorney Shervin Abachi, founder of Abachi Law, warns that there is a risk that artists whose work is not engineered for online hits will be disadvantaged as the immigration officials will just narrowly focus on their number of views and subscribers when granting them these. So, like, what if we have the auteur only fans who have a more niche, a more niche community? What if we're not having enough of these auteur only fans whores and we're just getting the, the most popular ones in the most crass, populist way.

[Mikey]

Well, we're getting rid of DEI in just about everything. So, you know, if we're going to take the. Take them, we got to take the best everything.

[Tyler]

Everything.

[Andrew Surabian]

I mean, guys, like, let me just, let me just say, like, what do we talk? I mean, look, obviously, you know, we don't want, we, we wanted, we want to get rid of the HO1 visa program. There's no question about that. The H1B, the HTV, the J1 and the HO1, they all have to go. But, but you know, when it comes down to it, like, I feel like there should be some kind of, I don't know, like a, like a Perhaps a some sort of review, you know, situation. Perhaps a board. And I think we should point Blake to that board to determine whether or not the hoes are allowed into the country.

[President Nicolás Maduro]

Why would that.

[Tyler]

Really simple.

[Mikey]

All right. There's a really simple 11 year olds.

[Tyler]

Listen, there's a really simple way to solve this problem with the HO1 visa. It's just they have to have a recommendation letter from their dad in order to get into the country.

[Blake Neff]

That's a good idea.

[Mikey]

There would probably be a lot of.

[Blake Neff]

Dad now if I was on the board, I would accept my position.

[Tyler]

Recommendation.

[Andrew Surabian]

Letter for their photo. How would you run the review board?

[Blake Neff]

How would I run the video? What I would do is I would go to the bureau of printing and engraving and I would say, you need to make a nice federal seal or stamp, probably a stamp. And they'll make a nice official US Government stamp that says on it begone thought. And I will stamp every single application with that stamp. And I'll have a great day every day.

[Andrew Surabian]

No exceptions. No exceptions at all.

[Mikey]

So wait, since we're talking about foreign visas, I think we should bring in our resident expert on foreign travel, President Maduro. What's your take on the HO1 visa?

[President Nicolás Maduro]

No problem. I come because they take me. My wife Celia, she come on ho one visa and she didi are number good. Number one friend. They like this Celia Hoan.

[Tyler]

She's actually not you like.

[President Nicolás Maduro]

Maybe not Celia is.

[Tyler]

She is not muy b. I could.

[Blake Neff]

I think she probably could have been muy like 30 years ago.

[Tyler]

Yeah, 30 years ago for sure.

[Guest Commentator]

Yeah.

[Guest Commentator 2]

She could have got.

[Mikey]

We have some images here.

[Tyler]

She could have got the HO1 visa 30 years ago. Did you know this brings up that topic that we talked about not that long ago there. Did you know there's only under the age of 30. There's only 43 million women under the age of 30 in America and there's 1.3 million on OnlyFans.

[Mikey]

Stop it. 1.4. Is that all domestic?

[Tyler]

Yeah, that's America. There's 1.4 million US women creators and there's only. So I mean, obviously there could be some older, but the large.

[Andrew Surabian]

That's like 3%.

[Tyler]

Literally like one in every 30 women that you. You walk if you come across in.

[Blake Neff]

America are like, yeah, okay, that just doesn't sound accurate.

[Mikey]

That's a million women under how many women?

[Tyler]

There's a point. There's a point to my point.

[Andrew Surabian]

I know the reason response.

[Blake Neff]

There's a point.

[Mikey]

There's a point.

[Tyler]

There's a point. To this, which is we don't need any international.

[Mikey]

They're taking jobs away from Americans.

[Andrew Surabian]

Listen, no, he did not go there. No, no, you have to reserve this.

[Tyler]

For all the American women. Okay? Like that we. We have enough.

[Andrew Surabian]

One of the. One of the things that I wanted to add to that though is that I did actually hear this before that apparently like only the top 1% of the only. I don't know what you call them only fans creators are actually making like a living off of that like everybody else. Like the other 99 are like very, very. They're just scraping by.

[Mikey]

They're just so.

[Tyler]

Okay, well, there's one point. There's 1.6,000 people.

[Blake Neff]

Six million rubbing pennies together.

[Tyler]

No, I'm just looking for our livestream on Rumble right now. And obviously we'll have a lot more, but I mean, there's a good chance that we have some only fans models that are listening right now.

[Andrew Surabian]

Just the people really want to hear the percentage.

[Tyler]

Statistically, listen, statistically we've got one in the top right corner, which, which our. Our argument would be is like, look, we've got plenty of jobs to go chase ballots this year. We, you know, we come work for. Do that, don't do only fans.

[Mikey]

We do not need any HR problems with our ballot chasers.

[Tyler]

No, they work amongst themselves on community. Okay, Right.

[Mikey]

So they ballot chase on.

[Tyler]

That's better than onlyfans. No, that's better than only.

[Blake Neff]

So what's bad?

[Tyler]

If you're a beautiful person, we want you going to chase ballots.

[Mikey]

I'm looking at some of the images of these women that got the visas. We could throw one of them up. Do we? I don't know if we need to blur it.

[Blake Neff]

I can throw up.

[Mikey]

I think we need.

[Andrew Surabian]

I think we need. They're not sending their review board right now.

[Mikey]

They're not sending their best. Okay, so.

[Andrew Surabian]

We need to say.

[Mikey]

Oh, my God.

[Andrew Surabian]

You say let them in or be gone. You say let them in.

[Mikey]

Okay.

[Andrew Surabian]

Gone.

[Mikey]

Yeah, throw that up. Go ahead, Noah. Throw that up.

[Andrew Surabian]

What do we got?

[Mikey]

What do we got? This is what we had to do to share it on. On this program. They're not setting their best. This is your new neighbor.

[Andrew Surabian]

Can't do it.

[Mikey]

Complicated business.

[Andrew Surabian]

Be gone. Be gone.

[Blake Neff]

Yeah.

[Andrew Surabian]

No.

[Blake Neff]

Reject. Reject. Reject.

[Mikey]

Reject.

[Andrew Surabian]

Be gone.

[President Nicolás Maduro]

No. Stabbien.

[Andrew Surabian]

President. President. President Maduro. Do you have only fans in. In Venezuela?

[President Nicolás Maduro]

No, I shut down. I shut down because they do it for me for free.

[Andrew Surabian]

Oh, for you for free. I see. Interesting.

[President Nicolás Maduro]

Oh, see, I heard.

[Mikey]

I heard that gay marriage. I heard that was your. Your big selling point.

[Andrew Surabian]

Well, you don't. Gay marriage.

[President Nicolás Maduro]

Yeah, no problem. But why you say Mycelia not beautiful. Can you. 348. Yeah. See?

[Andrew Surabian]

Oh, that was Celia, guys. I didn't realize that was a picture of his wife.

[Blake Neff]

Wow.

[Andrew Surabian]

El Presidente, you're out kicking your cousin.

[Mikey]

Yeah.

[Andrew Surabian]

You married up. You married up.

[President Nicolás Maduro]

See? I did. She isn't bad at all.

[Andrew Surabian]

I'm into it.

[Tyler]

Oh yeah, no.

[Mikey]

She'S apparently a real like real harsh woman. Like she's the muscle behind the. The regime.

[Tyler]

Look at her face.

[Mikey]

She was. She worked for Hugo Chavez too. Okay? She worked for Hugo. That's how. That's how. And she's. She apparently wields quite a bit of power wheel did. That's why they arrested her. She was a. She's a baddie. She looks.

[Tyler]

She looks mean.

[Andrew Surabian]

She is a baddie. Like a Gen Z baddies baddie, though that's a different kind of.

[President Nicolás Maduro]

She a baddie?

[Andrew Surabian]

Oh no.

[Mikey]

Yeah. Madero was happy to spend a night in the the cell because he didn't have to deal with Celia. I don't know, Jesse.

[President Nicolás Maduro]

She spank me if I not do good good communism.

[Mikey]

Well, listen, in general, I think we should get rid of the H1B. I think we should go full. We could do 25, 50,000 genius visas. No social media influencers. Maybe like 100. But they have to be like really good.

[Blake Neff]

No, no, no. I think the best way to. The best research we can do on. If you want to understand social media influencers, our policy should be. There's a thing you guys can read. We were talking about history on this episode. Let's do it again. So in China they had a thing called the Cultural Revolution. And they took their, you know, they took people in their cities, they took their educated elites and all of that and they trucked them into the countryside and they made them work as agricultural laborers. And they would humiliate. They would like ritual. They would, you know, humiliate them and berate them and beat them and treat them like crap and occasionally they basically get murdered and all of that. And I only cite that as an example because that's what you want. We should do that to the influencers.

[Guest Commentator]

Yeah, keep the hookers and the hoes out of our country. I don't want any of them.

[Andrew Surabian]

There's Mikey mass struggle sessions.

[Tyler]

1.4 million women in America on OnlyFans is a lot. And I do think that this is a real problem. This is like a bigger problem. That I've just. I may be thinking about. The monetization of influencers has created a whole new channel of a different kind of lazy.

[Mikey]

Mental illness.

[Tyler]

Yeah, mental illness. And again, in part, this is part of the media just kind of slowly destroying itself. And so now people are going to individuals and they're getting paid to say things. But I think that's created a whole new situation where you have a lot of people saying just crazy stuff on the Internet. You have a lot of people just posting crazy stuff on the Internet. And genuinely that's not healthy for society. Society needs people who are productive and doing things that are contributive. And we don't have a lot of that on the Internet. And that's a problem.

[Blake Neff]

Apparently in China they make. The state media makes rom coms about like industrialists who are trying to develop new power plants and such.

[Mikey]

Really?

[Blake Neff]

I guess they just. They have the order from on high. You guys have to make it cool to be a scientist and a manufacturer.

[Tyler]

This is why we're losing.

[Mikey]

Yeah, we have King of Queens. What do you do? Like sell insurance or something like that.

[Blake Neff]

At least that's a real job insurance, like influencer. That is. I want to be famous for existing. That is a bad thing to aspire to.

[Tyler]

I mean, Jerry Seinfeld kind of is to blame for all this, right?

[Mikey]

How so?

[Tyler]

His whole. I mean, he was a comedian.

[Mikey]

Yeah, he was comedian. That's a real job. I mean, I just watched Ricky Gervais last night.

[Blake Neff]

That's just. That's entertainer. At least people have to pay to show up.

[Mikey]

He has to write jokes and like, and you know, gig out. He has to do gigs and work, refine his, his craft and his sets. I mean, it's not something better.

[Tyler]

It's not assembling a power.

[Blake Neff]

Also in the show version, in real life, Jerry Seinfeld was a rich comedian in the show. He's like a failing comedian.

[Mikey]

No, he's not failing. Remember he buys his dad the Cadillac and it was like a big deal. I mean, he shows how much you get made, how much, how much you fail.

[Blake Neff]

But he's not big time. He's like a normal, but he's.

[Mikey]

He has money. Remember, like, Elaine looks him like all. Like she gets all like hot and bothered because she finds out he's got money. He's got more money than the.

[Blake Neff]

I have a confession. I've only seen about five. Seinfeld.

[Mikey]

Oh, my goodness. What?

[Blake Neff]

I'm younger than you guys. Seinfeld got canceled when I was like seven.

[Tyler]

You didn't watch all of Seinfeld during COVID No, you're.

[Guest Commentator]

I don't.

[Tyler]

What are we even doing?

[Guest Commentator 2]

You're allowed.

[Mikey]

Yeah.

[Blake Neff]

Not subscribing to social media or not subscribing to streaming.

[Mikey]

Oh, yeah, because Netflix has. Has all signed.

[Tyler]

No, but I just buy them.

[Mikey]

No. So after. After Charlie died, I literally rewatched all of Seinfeld.

[Tyler]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Mikey]

Well, I'm seven season in seven season.

[Tyler]

I watched it, I think at the same time that Charlie was watching it.

[Andrew Surabian]

On during COVID Who will not wear. But the question is, are you going to watch Kirby Enthusiasm?

[Blake Neff]

I can't.

[Tyler]

I can't get on board.

[Mikey]

I like her. I do. But you know what? I would watch it because RFK's wife. That's what I'll do.

[Tyler]

Yeah.

[Andrew Surabian]

And be well. But also because, like, there's a season of Curb Enthusiasm, which is kind of like the Seinfeld reunion season as well.

[Mikey]

Yeah. Oh, it is. I didn't realize that I. I'm not a huge Kirk.

[President Nicolás Maduro]

Yeah.

[Andrew Surabian]

He brings all of the cast back and they like. It's like a show within a show. So it's like, it shows how the Seinfeld reunion takes place, but because it's Larry David, it's like you're watching a show about Larry David trying to do a Seinfeld reunion. And then so through the course of the whole season, you see basically like one Seinfeld episode. But like, you know, whatever it is, 15 years.

[Mikey]

I'm still pretty upset that Steve Bannon figured out how a way to get some money out of the Seinfeld show. That was, I mean, good for him. It's not upset.

[Andrew Surabian]

I'm sure Bannon still got a piece of it to this day.

[Mikey]

A piece of the Seinfeld rock.

[Blake Neff]

Yeah.

[Mikey]

Isn't that wild?

[Blake Neff]

Hey, we're almost about to end, but we have to read a rumble ramp because we got one. This is from Sandra Gebhart. Everyone needs to read. Can you guys guess the book that everyone wants to read? It's Jack Poso's Brave book, the island of Free Ice Cream. Oh, gosh. My seven year old overheard Mamdani promising free bus rides and he said, that man won't give those people free bus rides. So thank you, Sandra. Jack is super hype. Thank you very much for that. And yes, everyone go check it out.

[Tyler]

No way.

[Blake Neff]

I didn't even know that book existed. But it exists.

[Andrew Surabian]

Yeah. So in 2021, I put out with Brave books. Love Brave books. An anti communist children's book called the island of Free Ice Cream. And it's sort of a way to begin to teach little kids, you know, and it's a great series in. In general. It's also the introduction of one of the main characters in the series. But this book is all about teaching you how. Somebody walks up and starts promising you all sorts of free stuff, like, I don't know, an island of free ice cream. That maybe, just maybe they're lying because they want something from you and they want you to give it to them.

[Mikey]

Sweet. That's actually really cool. Good for you. I'm so glad that something you did a few years ago, Jack, is bearing fruit today with the younger generation.

[Andrew Surabian]

No, my kid love. My kid loves the series. Like, we don't do. We don't. Because there's like a. Like a larger story to the series, and this is just like, one part of it. You can read them individually. But my kids, like, we don't do Star Wars, Harry Potter, or any of that, like, demonic stuff. So we just do, you know, like, for them, Brave Books is like their. Their, like Avengers, Star wars kind of stuff.

[Mikey]

Maduro Presidente. Maduro. Gracias, Porvenir. Thank you. Thank you, Mikey.

[President Nicolás Maduro]

Thank you.

[Blake Neff]

All right.

[President Nicolás Maduro]

Thank you very much.

[Blake Neff]

We've been. We've been going. I think some people want to watch the College Football Playoff that's about to start.

[Mikey]

It starts about three minutes.

[Blake Neff]

Our team here in Arizona. I remember Charlie playing this all the time. They found one of. They found Charlie's favorite Seinfeld bit. So how about we just close with that and then let's do it and the show.

[Tyler]

So who is everyone. Who's everyone pulling for?

[Mikey]

Hang on.

[Blake Neff]

I don't.

[Tyler]

Miami or Ole Miss.

[Blake Neff]

I don't care.

[Mikey]

Ole Miss. We had that big event there. Yeah. Let's go ahead and play this. Elaine Kiffin, list Ole Miss and keep committing thought crime.

[Jack Posobiec]

You're checked in.

[Blake Neff]

Thank you.

[Andrew Surabian]

Here's your AIDS right now.

[Mikey]

No, thanks.

[Blake Neff]

You don't want to wear an AIDS ribbon?

[Mikey]

No.

[Jack Posobiec]

But you have to wear an AIDS ribbon.

[Andrew Surabian]

I have to?

[Guest Commentator]

Yes.

[Tyler]

Yeah.

[Blake Neff]

See, that's why I don't want to. But everyone wears the ribbon.

[Jack Posobiec]

You must wear the ribbon.

[Guest Commentator 2]

What?

[Tyler]

You are.

[Mikey]

You're a ribbon bully. Hey. Hey, you.

[Jack Posobiec]

Come back here.

[Blake Neff]

Come back here and put this on.

[Guest Commentator 2]

Hey, where's your ribbon?

[Tyler]

Oh, I don't wear the ribbon.

[President Nicolás Maduro]

You don't wear the ribbon?

[Blake Neff]

Who do you think you are? Put the ribbon on.

[President Nicolás Maduro]

Hey, Cedric, Bob. This guy won't wear a ribbon. Who doesn't want to wear the ribbon?