THOUGHTCRIME Ep. 114 — All-American Halftime Hoopla + AI Scott Adams? + Roblox ICE Raids?

Summary

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Human Events Daily with Jack Posobiec

THOUGHTCRIME Ep. 114 — All-American Halftime Hoopla + AI Scott Adams? + Roblox ICE Raids?

Date: February 7, 2026

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Episode Overview

This episode, “All-American Halftime Hoopla + AI Scott Adams? + Roblox ICE Raids?”, is a sprawling, lively roundtable led by Jack Posobiec with co-hosts Blake, Tyler, and Andrew. The crew discusses Turning Point’s upcoming All-American Halftime Show—positioned as a cultural counterweight to the mainstream NFL spectacle—featuring Kid Rock and other notable performers. They also dive into the provocative emergence of AI-generated personas (specifically focusing on the posthumous “AI Scott Adams”), and riff on the phenomenon of user-created ICE raids in Roblox, debating the boundaries of digital and real identity, performance, and politics.

The tone is punchy, irreverent, and insider-y, packed with personal anecdotes, cultural commentary, and a generous helping of memes and inside jokes.

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Key Discussion Points & Segments

1. All-American Halftime Show: Mission, Lineup & Cultural Impact

Purpose and Ground Rules

• The hosts dub this parallel event the “All-American Halftime Show,” intentionally skirt direct references to the NFL (“the League of Legends,” “the game”), setting comedic ground rules to avoid naming rights drama.
• The show emerges from Turning Point USA as a deliberate alternative to what they view as the mainstream halftime show’s decline in virtue and cultural representation.

Lineup Announcement (03:09 - 04:48)

• Kid Rock, Brantley Gilbert, Lee Brice, and Gabby Barrett are highlighted as major performers.
• Broadcast details: Powered through Rumble, Turning Point social channels, Sinclair’s OTT Charge channel, Daily Wire+, TBN, Real America’s Voice.

On The Cultural Moment & Motivation (13:24 – 16:50)

• Recaps Charlie Kirk’s viral “Sexual Anarchy” tweet about the 2022 halftime show, explaining the origins of their counter-Super Bowl.
• Jack: “Just like Charlie always said, you know, it’s not about winning elections, it’s about winning the culture. And it’s like, what bigger cultural event is there than this than a halftime show?” (30:29)
• The event’s goal is to offer “a family show... everybody can get behind and not worry about dresses and queer identity and all that stuff.” (13:27)
• Personal anecdotes about country music tastes, backstage stories, and embracing a grassroots push for George Strait as a cultural avatar.

Production and Energy (24:33 – 25:55)

• Jack compares rehearsal energy to “the Grammys” or “an Oscars performance.” (24:33)
• Discusses the challenge and complexity of organizing such an event, with details about booking artists, legal hurdles, and production logistics. (32:16 – 34:41)
• Blake: “We are responding to market conditions. We are good capitalists but also... the family should have something, you know, that everybody can get behind.” (13:27)

Memorable Quotes

• “The world could... I'll put it this way, man. Not only are these some of the best performing...people that you could find in the country, I'd put them up against anyone in the world, Olympics or otherwise.” —Jack (26:21)
• On Kid Rock’s participation: “You’re gonna see the full spectrum of Kid Rock... It’s going to be amazing!” —Jack (27:55)

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2. Music, Memes, and the Politics of Performance

Recaps of Halftime Show History (14:06 – 17:00)

• The crew jokes about the “League of Sexual Anarchy” tweet (14:06) and recall Charlie’s commitment to winning culture, not just elections.

Sampling the Performers’ Songs (20:03 – 22:14)

• The crew plays and warmly critiques big tracks by Gabby Barrett, Lee Brice, Brantley Gilbert, and Kid Rock. Jokes abound about not knowing country music, except for infamous tracks like “Bawitdaba.”

Organizational Hurdles (32:16 – 34:41)

• Tyler spells out licensing and scheduling obstacles for assembling high-profile talent on short notice.
  • “Throwing something like this together is actually really, really tough... Most artists have contractual obligations... It’s actually way more, far more difficult... most of these things are planned a year plus out.” —Tyler (32:16)
• Tribute to the Turning Point events/media team.

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3. AI Scott Adams: Consent, Dissent, and the Future of Digital Likeness

Introduction to the AI Debate (41:03 - 42:30)

• Jack explains the posthumous creation of an “AI Scott Adams” after the cartoonist's death, referencing years of Adams’ public musings about an AI legacy.

Audio Comparison: Real Scott vs AI Scott (42:30 – 45:49)

• Real Scott Adams grants permission for AI successors: “I would like to give permission that any AI that's built based on me has my permission to extend my personality...” (42:30)
• AI Scott parodies the original’s cadence and mannerisms in a mock “Coffee with Scott Adams”: “According to the Internet, I'm dead—which is interesting because I've never had fewer meetings. Turns out when you remove the biological body, you also remove back pain...” (43:31)
• Reaction: The crew debate discomfort over digital afterlives. (“I felt like Pandora's box was getting opened... It felt like he didn't know what he was actually agreeing to.” —Blake, 45:49)

On Drift and Authenticity (46:11 – 47:56)

• Tyler raises fears about “the slow walk away from the intent over time,” as AI clones could become gradually less authentic.
  • “A daily Scott AI... could transform over time and be so far away from what the original intent was...” —Tyler (46:34)

Scott Adams' Late-Stage Reversal (49:42)

• Adams later walks back on AI approval: “I thought it was just the greatest idea... Do you know what happens when you mention that to people?... They go, it wouldn't be you. Right.” (49:42)
• He concludes, “I'm not going to create a digital clone of myself. I'm going to create a digital son.”

Family & Fair Use Debate (52:04 – 53:27)

• Jack reports that Adams’ family has asked the AI project to stop, in line with Scott’s final wishes. The operators claim fair use and label the AI transparently as fake.

Legal and Ethical Landscape (53:27 – 55:05)

• Andrew: “AI is a Wild West... I actually do feel we're probably in somewhat legally uncharted territory here.”
• Discussion about likeness, copyright, and the looming challenges of posthumous digital entities.

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4. The AI & Metaverse Slippery Slope

AI in the Culture and Information War (55:46 – 62:00)

• The hosts riff on the near-future consequences of AI-generated personas and media:
  • News broadcasts with AI “anchors”
  • Viral personas who may have never existed (e.g., influencers, the “airplane lady” meme)
  • Concerns about digital clones being mistaken for real people, and the legal chaos that may follow

Simulation Sports and Entertainment (62:55 – 65:20)

• Debates about what happens if sports, news, and pop culture go “fully digital or simulated,” especially in third-world countries.
  • “There could be a future where all of sports is just completely simulated... and you never would know.” —Tyler (63:05)
  • “Apparently China has robot sports. If any culture is gonna like buy into this soulless robot AI garbage, it’s gonna be [them].” —Blake (64:06)

White Pill for Thoughtcrime (65:26)

• Jack: “AI will never be allowed to commit thought crime.” (65:26)
• The premise: truly transgressive or original thinking cannot be replicated, and that’s what gives the show its edge.

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5. Roblox ICE Raids: Satire, Simulacra, & Political Play

User-generated “ICE raids” in Roblox (66:11 – End)

• Andrew introduces a topic they barely get to: Groups of kids simulating ICE raids in the digital game Roblox, including protests, precision ops, and digital detentions.
  • “At least they're doing ICE raids in Roblox. They're escorting the illegals out of their digital schools in their digital game.” —Andrew (66:11)
• The hosts joke about the meta-reality of AI-generated political action videos, the potential to create staged digital “deportations” for propaganda, and a world where reality and digital simulation are irreparably blurred.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On why they created the show:
  “We are responding to market conditions. We are good capitalists but also... the family should have something, you know, that everybody can get behind and not worry about dresses and queer identity and all that stuff...” —Blake (13:27)

• On the cultural ambition:
  “It’s not about winning elections, it’s about winning the culture. And it’s like, what bigger cultural event is there than this than a halftime show?” —Jack (30:29)

• On AI legacy fears:
  “I felt like Pandora’s box was being opened... It felt like he didn’t know what he was actually agreeing to.” —Blake, re: AI Scott Adams (45:49)

  “AI will never be allowed to commit thought crime.” —Jack (65:26)

• On the dystopian media future:
  “There's gonna be premium on that for people who run news networks.” —Jack on AI news anchors (61:50)

• On the irrepressible meme culture:
  “I take quarter of the credit, and I'm a quarter Mexican, so that's an eighth.” —Tyler, joking about credit for the show's creation (30:06)

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Timestamps of Important Segments

• 00:50–02:38: Banter, show intro, and ground rules for discussing the unnamed Super Bowl
• 03:09–04:48: Halftime show lineup announcement and ways to watch
• 13:24–16:50: Genesis of the All-American Halftime Show and “Sexual Anarchy” tweet origin
• 20:03–22:14: Sampling songs from featured artists & joking about their country music bona fides
• 24:33–25:55: Jack describes the energy and rehearsal for the halftime show
• 32:16–34:41: The logistical/copyright challenge of assembling the show
• 41:03–49:42: AI Scott Adams: permission, reaction, and the implications of digital afterlives
• 49:42: Scott Adams’ on-air reversal about AI legacy
• 53:27–55:05: Legal ambiguity and the wild west of AI “likeness” and copyright
• 55:46–62:00: Deep-dive into the possible future of AI replacing real personalities in news, podcasts, and even sports
• 66:11–End: Roblox ICE raid user creations and finale on the blurred line between digital satire, propaganda, and reality

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Final Thoughts & Takeaways

• This episode embodies the show’s mission: pushing back on mainstream narratives through alternative cultural programming, ground-level memes, and irreverent group chat energy.
• The hosts express pride at creating what they anticipate to be “the most watched halftime show” in America, casting it as a turning point for cultural engagement.
• The AI Scott Adams segment stirs genuine philosophical and ethical worries about identity, legacy, and the limits of digital reproduction.
• Threads of satire, cultural skirmish, and the blurring border between “real” and digital life run throughout, raising questions that echo far beyond the day’s headlines.

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Homework for Listeners:
“Go and change the channel. Turn off Bad Bunny, Put on Kid Rock and the gang and go. Commit thought.” —Jack (69:45)

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Transcript

[Unknown Speaker A]

From the age of big Brother.

[Jack]

If they want to get you, they'll get you.

[Tyler]

DNSA specifically targets the communications of everyone.

[Jack]

They're collecting your communications. All right, folks, we are back. Welcome to Thought Crime Thursday. We're here, I believe, and we have a great show in store for all of you. And I believe and I think I'm having seen that confirmed now that we have all four of the current co hosts, of course, our fifth co host on assignment in heaven. But we've got Blake, Tyler and Andrew all here for you guys today.

[Andrew]

It's a remarkable achievement. We have all four standard people at the standard time, like at the stated schedule. It's like we don't usually see it. Everything would all in our. In our correct chairs.

[Blake]

It's because.

[Andrew]

In our correct postures because we have.

[Blake]

Excited about the all American half.

[Andrew]

Everything would be perfect except that Andrew forgot the dress code rules and so he's in like a undershirt or something right now.

[Blake]

I'm in an undershirt. I did it. I want a sweatshirt.

[Jack]

Y' all took Andrew Outback, beat the crap out of him and took his jacket away.

[Blake]

You guys are very mean about this.

[Andrew]

Like, I have. I have an iconic jacket and you don't see me wearing it on this show. Andy.

[Jack]

Blake is wearing my jacket.

[Tyler]

Blake is wearing the D. A little.

[Jack]

Bit picked up Taylor, but I'm not wearing it. Nope.

[Tyler]

Nope.

[Blake]

Well, here we are.

[Unknown Speaker A]

We.

[Blake]

We made it. We're live.

[Andrew]

We are live.

[Jack]

We're live.

[Blake]

So hit us up in the chats.

[Andrew]

Have comments, send us the comments. We'll totally read them and react to them and possibly hate on them.

[Blake]

I have them up.

[Unknown Speaker A]

But.

[Jack]

But as. So here's. All right, ground rules. Ground rules. Right. So we all know different bits and pieces about the All American halftime show. I imagine we're going to get a lot of questions about that. So we should probably set some ground rules because I know Kid Rock has been going around saying that he's got a surprise, but he doesn't want to reveal it. He wants to maintain the element of that. Obviously, we all know things. So what. What are the ground rules for talking about. About the All American halftime show, which will be the only halftime show this weekend?

[Blake]

The ground rules are that we call it the game.

[Tyler]

A game.

[Blake]

A game. It's a sporting event, a sports game.

[Tyler]

It's an important game that.

[Blake]

That lots of people tend to wear.

[Andrew]

Yeah. It's like all of the preliminary hockey rounds of the Winter Olympics.

[Blake]

Everyone's watching them. And we can also say Definitively that. That it is part of a league that a lot of people are familiar with.

[Andrew]

League of Legends.

[Blake]

League of Legends. We're going to call it the League of Legends. We got to be your legend.

[Tyler]

We put out some. Some tweets about it. I think people know about it now, but we can't talk about anything because. Well, I mean, we'll explain probably a little bit more.

[Jack]

After all, this is where the lineup.

[Blake]

We could talk about the lineup. Let's get the lineup up there. Again, we are excited to be bringing Kid Rock, Brantley, Gilbert Lee, Bryce, Gabby Barrett, all to the All American halftime show. It will be Streaming live around 8pm Eastern on Sunday. Well, there you go. That's. That's not from.

[Jack]

That was. That was Kid Rock at the rnc. I was there. Actually.

[Blake]

That is not from our.

[Andrew]

Because it hasn't happened yet.

[Tyler]

People liked it.

[Blake]

Look at JD it would be like a tembopper displacement.

[Jack]

USHA usa not into it as much.

[Andrew]

Is he actually doing Werewolves of London.

[Blake]

Or is that so?

[Jack]

No, no, no. He has. He has a song that uses. That samples Werewolves of London.

[Tyler]

Okay.

[Andrew]

It shows how much I know.

[Blake]

Yeah. So it's. What I want to say is you can watch the show right here on.

[Jack]

Rumble all summer long.

[Blake]

You can watch the show right here on Rumble. All of Turning Point. Social media channels are going to have it. So TPSA, TPOSA, YouTube X and Rumble.

[Tyler]

Charlie.

[Blake]

Charlie's. Charlie's. Yeah, we'll put it up on Charlie stuff in addition to social media. And by the way, all of you people have a YouTube app on your TV these days, so you can have it ready to go if you want to switch over that way. Other ways to watch it. Sinclair's broadcast OTT channel charge. So that's Samsung plus YouTube TV, Hulu, Sling, all those things. Daily Wire plus TBN. Real America's voice, where we have the Charlie Kirk show and Jack Posobics Daily Show.

[Andrew]

Speak for yourself, Andrew. You say everyone's got a YouTube app on their TV now, but I will have you know I watch television the way God intended on a wooden cathode ray tube television set with Batman.

[Tyler]

Wait, wait. Do you have bad bunny ears on your tv?

[Andrew]

It does not have the bunny ears.

[Blake]

It has knobs.

[Andrew]

It has literal, physical knobs.

[Blake]

He will forever be known as Kanejo malo. Kanejo malo, Conejo malo. Because we have four months to learn Spanish. I've been practicing it because you guys all know. Yes, yes. I'm quarter Mexican, so I have a. I Have a total pass today just to go ham on all that kind of conversation, because I'm one of them.

[Tyler]

Well, we had talked on, on our, our group chats, trying to agitate the government into doing flyovers. Over.

[Blake]

No, but the big game we needed DHS deportation, plane flyovers just right over. Say, ice.

[Jack]

Right. I was trying to call in an airstrike.

[Tyler]

Right. Over. No, I didn't say that. I'm a. I'm going to pause, disavow, disavow. And then I'm going to. I'm going to continue the sentence. Fly right. Over. You know, the San Francisco.

[Blake]

It's not even Santa Clara area.

[Andrew]

Yeah, they play like it's like four.

[Blake]

Hours away with traffic.

[Tyler]

I mean, if you were going to plan a bunch of, you know, flights, you know, just test flights, I think they should be going over Santa Clara over and over and over.

[Blake]

I think what they should do, genuinely, you know, is load up a couple DHS deportation planes bound for seacot. Load them up there, fly them over, Buzz, buzz the stadium and then do a big ad during the super bowl of all the killers that they got out. Like child sex traffic leaflets.

[Jack]

Just dread, no droplets.

[Blake]

Just got deported to Bukele's secot prison.

[Andrew]

That would be really maybe like identify one person who might be at that stadium who had. Who might be a foreign who has some sort of outstanding warrant. You know, there's what, 80,000 people there. There might be one. You ID one of them, and then you have an excuse to parachute in. ICE agents, they land on the field and arrest.

[Blake]

And just to make matters more interesting, it could be we could bring in 700 agents that were just. That were part of the drawdown in Minneapolis. But we reposition those assets in Santa Clara, and those are the guys that parachute in. Well, they also start raiding down the.

[Tyler]

The government also probably has the ability to, you know, shut the grid down.

[Blake]

Right.

[Tyler]

Halftime.

[Blake]

I was gonna say, what if they.

[Andrew]

Use some of those sonar, innocent people, like, who are not at the game. But what you could do, maybe they could say there's a security hazard. And they say, guys, to make sure everyone's safe, they all need to go through, you know, this advanced scanner that they have for security, and then you only give them one.

[Tyler]

That's what they would do. That's what the Biden administration would do for our event.

[Andrew]

Yeah, exactly.

[Tyler]

Exactly.

[Blake]

We've been there.

[Tyler]

We've been there. That's what they call it.

[Blake]

Do you think our audience knows the stories? We would host President Trump during the campaign And Secret Service would basically be like, we've got this. And they would just.

[Tyler]

They should be like two scanners.

[Blake]

They give us. They'd give us two mags for like 17,000 people. And people are waiting out in the.

[Jack]

The metal detectors.

[Blake]

Yeah, metal detectors. So people are like, I'll never forget this, by the way. It's a. It's a classic Charlie story. We were in South Florida. President Trump was coming to our West Palm. President Trump was coming to the event. So Secret Service has to go in advance. Everything. Joe Biden's president. They give us like prop. What was it like a legitimate number? What was it, like six mags in an event that size required? It was one mag 12. It may have been like.

[Andrew]

I think it was literally.

[Jack]

It was literally like.

[Tyler]

I think it was two.

[Andrew]

There was one choke point entrance.

[Blake]

It was one choke.

[Jack]

So one entrance with two mags.

[Blake]

All these people, insane go. I mean, we've got thousands of people that are trying to get in this event. And everybody had to go twist around in circles. Like we had to twist the line around this parking structure. And so what we had to do because the Secret Service was jerking President Trump around and jerking us around is we had to go buy a bunch of big fans to like blow air on these poor people that were stuck out in the mass humidity and that super hot sun. At least they were shaded. But it was very hot, humid. It was. It was probably hotter in that parking garage, even though they were out of the sun, than it was outside. So we had to get this big fish.

[Jack]

This was when Biden was president. Just so everybody knows.

[Blake]

Yes, they were jerking Trump around because Biden was president. And so we had to get pallets of water. And then Charlie was supposed to go up and speak, I think, or. Or something. He had. He had an interview, I think it was with Megan Kelly, if I remember right. And pushed that back and back and back because Charlie wanted to go out in the parking structure, shake everybody's hand. And man, did he get dressed down by a bunch of like mad people. Like, you need to run your event better. And he's like, listen, this is not our fault. This. Like, we've done everything right. We can't get the Secret Service to give us any more mags. So he had to go one by one and deal with all the pissed off people because the Secret Service was trying to kill people out in the. What.

[Jack]

He went to every single.

[Andrew]

And it was the whole day. It was like a two day event.

[Jack]

And basically every single person in line.

[Blake]

Yeah, it took him hours. And he was flaming mad. Flaming mad. I've never seen Charlie.

[Jack]

He was. He was in rare form.

[Blake]

He was flaming mad. And by the way, he was getting it. He was getting into it with people that were trying to blame this on Turning Point because he's like, this is not us. You know, like. And. But he was very gracious with people and tried to just make things right and had all the staff out there handing water bottles out.

[Andrew]

So funny. Because otherwise, my own. My main memory of that event is just that I think that was the day on the show we talked about Michelle Obama's Princeton thesis.

[Blake]

I think that was it.

[Andrew]

We did the show and we talked about that that day.

[Blake]

So is that when the quote of the raw horsepower. So they like something which they take to. They. Which they took to apply to all black women. But he was being very specific. It was about Ketanji Brown Jackson, Michelle Obama and Sheila Jackson Lee. Right. Yep. That was the black women.

[Andrew]

So that was. That was all around. It was a memorable day in.

[Blake]

In the lore of Turning Point history.

[Andrew]

Mortal.

[Blake]

In the immortal lore.

[Andrew]

But, you know, there's a lot of stuff to talk about with the. The physically gigantic game that. That among several happening.

[Blake]

That is one of those sports leagues.

[Andrew]

Yeah.

[Unknown Speaker A]

Yeah.

[Andrew]

In the league of legends.

[Jack]

Well, and with our show, which is going to be so amazing, which we haven't really. We do have to talk about it a little bit.

[Andrew]

We are talking about certain.

[Jack]

Certain things. We have to keep a surprise.

[Blake]

Well, I'm excited.

[Andrew]

Like you said to me, most of it'll be a surprise to me because they've. They've kept it so close to the vest. I didn't really know anything until we announced it.

[Jack]

Like, I don't even know any Kid Rock songs. So the whole thing.

[Blake]

I don't.

[Andrew]

I don't know. I. I don't know any Kid Rock songs.

[Blake]

And I will admit you don't know ba would bar with a. I don't.

[Andrew]

I know like one kid Rock song. And I had not heard of the other three people we've had on. And I believe that they're pretty notable performers.

[Blake]

They're pretty notable.

[Andrew]

I'm just totally out of the loop.

[Blake]

Caboose. You got to get me a song from each of our artists.

[Jack]

Br. I have a Brantley Gilbert story that. I mean, it's not a super story. But as people know and we've talked about. Charlie was not a super big country guy. I was also not a super big country guy. And about. I think it was 10 years ago, about 10 years ago when Tanya and I first started dating, we. Or at some point when we were like, first started dating, that she, for whatever reason, comes to this country, born in the Soviet Union, falls in love with country music, and she's like, oh, I really want to go out. And you really want to come. And I was like, well, you know, I really want you come to this show. And like, I'm going, some girlfriends, but it'd be great if you came. And I was like, well, who is it? She goes, brantley Gilbert. And I was like, what's that? And she goes, well, it's country. And I said, okay, send me a picture of your ticket. And she goes, okay, fine. So I. I may have snuck into the Brantley Gilbert concert using. Using a screenshot of her ticket to go in, and I actually liked it. I actually liked it. So.

[Blake]

I grew up listening to country music, but it was more like the George Strait version. You know, what's interesting is they. They had George Strait. There's a petition going around pushing George Strait as the. You know, as the. To replace the Conejo Mallow at the.

[Jack]

Oh, I saw that. Yeah, that got, like. Got like 100,000 signatures, right?

[Blake]

122,000, last I checked. But it was, like, you know, completely organic. But, you know, people, this is the thing. We are responding to market conditions. We are good capitalists, but also, you know, the family should have something, you know, that everybody can get behind and not worry about dresses and queer identity and all that stuff. Okay? Like, really, there should be. This shouldn't be on us to do this, like, so much else in this country and politics and culture, but we're doing it. And, Jack, why don't you tell. Because this is something I've heard a lot of. Like, I've gotten this question a lot, and I always give you a shout out. How did this come to be, Jack?

[Jack]

Yeah. So, I mean, ultimately, it starts with Charlie. Just like everything, it starts with Charlie. And I know you guys did this a while back where Charlie used to always talk about the halftime shows. He had this one tweet. There it is right there. The 2022. I'll never forget this one. The NFL is now the League of Sexual Anarchy. Halftime show should not be allowed on television. And, like, I remember us being in the group chat, like, that evening, you know, him.

[Blake]

Him going, Jack, 2014. One, like, 20. Clothing optional.

[Unknown Speaker A]

Halftime.

[Jack]

Halftime performance. Question mark.

[Blake]

By the way, I love that he doesn't mention the league. He doesn't mention the event, just halftime. It's pretty perfect for right now, which.

[Andrew]

I think we actually.

[Jack]

Do. We do. We want to play. I think we actually have a clip of Charlie. Let's play 343 and talking about it. Look, the super bowl halftime show has a reputation. People say it's a spicy program. Okay, listen, Spicy. It's supposed to be boundary pushing. When you have the most televised event. This is true.

[Andrew]

Most televised event for the entire year. One of the most televised events on.

[Blake]

The planet, by the way.

[Jack]

That should be a reflection of the virtue that hopefully you want society to.

[Tyler]

Embody, like TPUSA hats.

[Andrew]

This is Tyler's telling me here. This is like flashback.

[Tyler]

This is like.

[Andrew]

Because it's old.

[Tyler]

So this is the old set at the other building. The first set.

[Jack]

The original set.

[Tyler]

The original one. And there was a moment where Charlie started wearing. We got the sets. Those were some of our first TPUSA hats. It was just the American flag one. And he was wearing a hat, like, every day, which I always was, like. Because he never wear hats.

[Blake]

He like.

[Andrew]

Was he, like, having a balding scare or something?

[Tyler]

No, I just think he just was, like, coming to the office.

[Blake]

He had the crazy. He had the craziest mop of hair.

[Tyler]

His hair started getting long.

[Jack]

That's like, super long.

[Blake]

Well, eventually embraced it. Eventually he embraced it. But. But, like, it was. He would literally just roll into the studio.

[Tyler]

Well, I would wear that hat every day, too. So we were just like.

[Unknown Speaker A]

We.

[Tyler]

We were wearing that hat, like, I think that was like summertime Ish. If I feel. If I'm remembering right. But it was like, during that Covid era. It was like, right after Covid, I think.

[Blake]

Yeah. Well, Charlie, it's funny, whenever I see.

[Tyler]

Him wearing a hat in those clips, I'm like, oh, I know exactly what year that was, what era that was.

[Jack]

Yeah, yeah.

[Tyler]

And the studio at which studio was in, like, what was going on at that time. I think that was like, literally, like, during COVID when we had to, like. Because we. We didn't take any Turning Point, didn't take any Covid money. Didn't take any PPE money. And so we had to, like, figure it out.

[Blake]

I wonder what. What year was that? Do we know what year I think that was?

[Jack]

20.

[Tyler]

I think that was during COVID It.

[Blake]

Could be 20, 20, 21. Remember that studio? Because Charlie and I were in that studio broadcasting on J6. So that's like. Whenever I see that studio, I think about me and Charlie on J6 going, like, really glad we're not there today.

[Jack]

Because it Sounded like he was referring to the same thing he was referring to in that tweet.

[Blake]

So this is what's funny about that. So that tweet, the famous sexual anarchy Tweet, was about Dr. Dre, and I think Snoop Dogg was in there. And they actually did a pretty good job compared to the year before of not making it super sexual, which was funny because. And so Charlie's reaction to it, Sexual anarchy was a. Was a line that he was getting from. Who am I thinking of? Oh, it was David Engelhardt written, you remember, had that book called Sexual Anarchy.

[Andrew]

Was he just, like, going to say it no matter what?

[Blake]

I don't know what's happening. So anyways. But so. So he. I. I was literally, you know, part of, you know, the. The protocol on Super Bowls for when you were. You tweet what? He was going to tweet? Yeah. And I went to go. I was at a barbecue, went to go get some food, and in, like, 10 minutes, for me, like, not watching my phone, he fired that bad boy off. And I was like, did you. Did you watch it?

[Tyler]

I remember we were in the group chat, and it was the same thing. Like, I wasn't paying attention. All of a sudden, I see this come through. I think I called you. What do we do?

[Blake]

Instant at. At, like, trending. And Charlie shot to number one. Trending within, like.

[Jack]

And of course, three minutes, me being me. I'm like. I'm, like, egging him on. I was like, keep going. Go harder. Go harder, Charlie.

[Blake]

Go, Max. Go, Max. Charlie. Go, Max.

[Tyler]

It was, like, literally took over the Internet.

[Jack]

So.

[Blake]

But this was deep. And I said this story on BANNON actually, in January 2025. So we just had won the election. We were there in D.C. for the inauguration. Charlie and I sat down with a reporter who was writing a profile on him in the New York Times Magazine, Robert Draper. And Draper asked Draper, yeah, yeah. Do you, like, so you've won the election. You've won all the House, the Senate. Like, what else is there to accomplish? And Charlie goes, win the culture. Like, he didn't pause, just goes, I want to win the culture. And so all this is, like, very full circle that it got memed into existence. It's very. That Jack starts tweeting about it, and then I start getting actual legitimate press inquiries going, like, are you guys going to be doing a halftime show? Like, is this really happening? And I was like, geez. Like, this thing has taken a life of its own on the Internet. And I remember that one show, I think we were on with Tim Pool. Right. Jack. And I was like, I think that's what we did. The.

[Jack]

The cross stream, if I remember correctly.

[Blake]

Yeah. And I was like, well, we were. Yeah, we weren't going to. But now maybe, I think song we.

[Jack]

Were playing when the Sombreros were on, if I remember correctly.

[Blake]

Oh, gosh. Okay.

[Jack]

They would know that. Yeah.

[Blake]

All right. Speaking of songs.

[Jack]

So, yeah. Kind of went rogue and it.

[Blake]

It.

[Jack]

It blew up. It took over the Internet and it was like.

[Blake]

Yeah, it continues to. It was trending all day when we announced our lineup. Let's go ahead. For those who don't know, play Caboose. Play a Gabby Barrett song. Do you recognize that.

[Jack]

Pennsylvania native Gabby Barrett, by the way?

[Blake]

Okay.

[Tyler]

Pennsylvania proud.

[Blake]

All right, so that song, like Taylor Swift. That song went mega, mega huge. How about a song from Lee Bryce Caboose.

[Andrew]

This sounds like every country song.

[Blake]

No, this is a good one.

[Andrew]

Last 25 years.

[Blake]

I love country.

[Andrew]

You guys, Jack said that Charlie wasn't big on country music. I'm not sure Charlie was big on music.

[Blake]

Like, he liked classical music.

[Jack]

Classical music.

[Andrew]

I think he's saying he likes classical music. I think is his just way of saying he doesn't look like.

[Blake]

Wait, you missed the chorus there. Keep it going.

[Andrew]

I think.

[Blake]

Keep it going.

[Andrew]

I think Charlie was kind of, you know, rate some music a 4 out of 10.

[Tyler]

You just have to comment on this.

[Blake]

Here, Here it is. Hold on. Here it goes. You wanted them girls that.

[Jack]

Come on.

[Blake]

It's good. So. All right.

[Tyler]

It's gonna be good.

[Blake]

So. All right, let's play another one. Let's play Lee Bryce. Wait, was that Lee Bryce Gilbert's next? Bradley Gilbert. I don't know this one. Actually, this guy's.

[Jack]

Wait.

[Tyler]

Bradley is a great conservative.

[Jack]

Support. Yeah.

[Blake]

Dirt Road Anthem is the one.

[Tyler]

I know. Didn't we. Did we have Brantley at American Fest.

[Unknown Speaker A]

A few years ago?

[Blake]

Yeah, we did.

[Tyler]

Yeah, we did. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He was at America.

[Jack]

Tanya and I met him and his.

[Andrew]

Wife backstage, and I told them the whole story.

[Jack]

I may have left out the sneaking into the concert part.

[Blake]

Whoops. He would have liked it. And do we have a.

[Jack]

Actually, I do think I told him.

[Blake]

Do we have a kid Rock song?

[Andrew]

Okay, everyone's hearing this song.

[Tyler]

All right?

[Andrew]

Even I. Even I know this song.

[Blake]

All right, well, I mean, I can't say. I can't say any of these songs are going to be played, by the way. I'm just saying, you'd be leaving. It'd be.

[Andrew]

It'd be missing an Opportunity to play this song. If even, you know, he could be on stage.

[Tyler]

I have a good feeling.

[Andrew]

This one's probably gonna get. He could say on stage. This one's for Blake. So there's one song he's heard in this show.

[Blake]

He should say. Okay, wait, do we have. Do we have. I can't say it right with the bar.

[Andrew]

He can't say it right because he's not a native English speaker.

[Tyler]

I just want to see more of those old people at the RNC convention going like this.

[Blake]

Anyways, he didn't play at the rnc. Yeah. What did he play at the rnc? I don't remember.

[Jack]

He did American ba. He did cow. I think he did cowboy. Like, like, maybe like one verse. It was like a medley. Like a verse of that. And then he may have done a little bit of all summer long, But I don't believe you played well at the bottom.

[Tyler]

If the RNC is smart, how they would do this would be like, they have all the delegates on the floor, but then for the concerts, they would.

[Blake]

Bring in, like, cool people. People.

[Tyler]

Yeah, Like Arcade. Yeah. Instead of it me. Like, if they were smart. They're not.

[Andrew]

Guys are being.

[Tyler]

They're not smart.

[Andrew]

I think those people we're seeing in those clips, those are the coolest people.

[Tyler]

I'm not saying they're not cool. I don't know that. I'm sure they're.

[Blake]

Honestly, we could probably get that done next time.

[Tyler]

That's what I'm saying.

[Jack]

By the way, that whole.

[Andrew]

It would be so easy. It doesn't need to be a ton. You slot. Get a few hundred spots for them.

[Tyler]

And no, you just crowd the state. Yeah. You do the whole thing. Like, we could. We could do this easily. If anyone. If anyone even, like, picked up the phone, was like, hey, could you guys help us make. Make this actually cool?

[Jack]

Like, we could help.

[Blake]

We would help. They should ask us. This is a.

[Tyler]

For the midterm convention. They probably should ask.

[Blake]

You should ask. So here's our. Here's our invitation to the rnc. You should let Turning Point help you make it a little.

[Tyler]

Just let us help you.

[Blake]

Yeah. Anyways. All right, Great. Cool. So.

[Tyler]

And the team's doing a great job, by the way. Kudos to the entire Turning Point media and events team who have.

[Blake]

It looks awesome.

[Tyler]

It's going to be awesome.

[Blake]

Jack. Jack, you've seen the rehearsal video. I know you have. What do you think? Yeah, Give. Give us, like, take us in the room. Take us in the room. Not too much. Don't Give away any.

[Tyler]

What did the rehearsal look like?

[Jack]

So, you know, it's. It's kind of like. I would compare it to, like. Like what you see at, like, the Grammys, like one of those performances or like an Oscar performance. You know what I mean? It's where it's like.

[Blake]

Yeah, yeah.

[Jack]

Like. Like, you're.

[Unknown Speaker A]

You're.

[Jack]

You're. It's not. You know, it's a stadium, but it's like a big. It's big. Like, it's really big. It's expansive. And the energy through. Just through the roof, the level of the performances, just. Just incredible. You know, just. It takes. You know, you could. You could tie, I suppose, a line between, you know, having Brantley and some of the performers at AM Fest and a couple of the music nights that we had done there and then carry that forward. But, you know, nobody, you know, I think, thought that we'd ever get a guy like Kid Rock who actually did perform at a halftime show once before in his own right and was. I believe he actually played the same night as the infamous wardrobe malfunction. So a lot of people remember that he played.

[Andrew]

Whoa.

[Jack]

Yeah, I think it was that same night with. But he was right.

[Andrew]

He was.

[Blake]

That's wild.

[Andrew]

He performed in the most famous super bowl halftime show of all time.

[Blake]

That was probably when Charlie.

[Jack]

Nobody remembers because of the nipple slip.

[Blake]

Yeah, well, yeah, that's.

[Andrew]

And, in fact, he was. He was the immediate predecessor to it. He went. He did B.A. woodba and Cowboy, and then it went into the Janet Timberlake songs that they ended the show with. And. Yeah. So you're saying you're. Overall, Jack, you're saying that if, like, tomorrow's Olympic opening ceremony is a one, this is like an 11 out of 10.

[Jack]

I mean, the world could. I'll put it this way, man. It's not only are these some of the best, you know, best performing and best performances of. Of people that you could find in the country, I'd put them up against anyone in the world, you know, Olympics or otherwise. You want to talk about carrying the torch? And producer Foz and I were crunching some of the numbers on this last night because people want to play this game, like, oh, Bad Bunny, you know? Oh, you know. Well, he's got more streams, but. But really, streaming is kind of like Internet radio, so it's like, okay, he's played on the radio more than anyone, but does that mean that he's actually, like. People are putting up money in the United States for it. And so the way to look at this, you know, and Andrew, I know you have a background in this where, you know, people are saying that you can, there's, there's like a formula where they say, okay, this amount of streams would equate to this many album equivalent purchases. And there's nowhere near, like, it doesn't even come close to Kid Rock. Like, does not even come close. Again, I'll be honest to Kid Rock.

[Blake]

I didn't realize how big Kid Rock was. I genuinely didn't. When, when we made the announcement, it was like, they call him Kid yet.

[Andrew]

He is fully grown.

[Blake]

He is fully grown. There were so many people that were like, I can't believe you got Kid Rock. And by the way, Kid. Kid Rock was, has been legitimately amazing in this. And he's put his heart and soul into this. I, the, the rehearsal footage that I saw was of him doing his special thing. And I'm just gonna leave it there.

[Jack]

I was, I, we cannot talk about the special thing. It's. I'll put it this way. It's kind of just like, like, you know how Kid Rock so we play ball at the ball and everybody knows that that's sort of like the Kid Rock the first came out. He's like bl metal and, you know, then he has cowboy, which brings country into it. But then he kind of pivots and he was like, full country. Then there's Christian elements in some of the later albums that he's done. You're. I'll put it this way. You're gonna see the full spectrum of Kid Rock. You know, I mean, it's not, it's not long, right? It's not like, you know, he's not the only performer. Obviously. Each person only gets a couple of minutes.

[Blake]

And we're not talking about the tism.

[Jack]

Nature of these things.

[Blake]

We're just talking about, I think it's.

[Tyler]

Gonna be, yeah, we're just, I think.

[Jack]

It'S gonna like, you're gonna see uplifting.

[Blake]

You're gonna see, gonna be amazing, actually.

[Jack]

So, yeah, a level of performance that, you know, I, I, I'm just gonna say it like, this is something that as a country, this is what you would want to see. I just, I hope everyone in the country watches it. I really do it because it's that good.

[Blake]

Listen, I know there's gonna be haters and all that stuff because like, anytime you do anything that's like worthwhile people just like, like, you know, the keyboard warriors are going to come hate. I invite you to, I invite the haters because this is just. There's a hater. It's just.

[Tyler]

I have a theory. I have a theory, though. The other big thing that's happening somewhere else, doing something in the midst of a sport. Yeah. I don't know. I think that's just gonna be so bad.

[Andrew]

Nothing bigger is happening than this.

[Tyler]

I think it's just gonna be so bad.

[Blake]

Well, you know what? I found out that it makes it.

[Tyler]

Like the opening is just, like, so great. That. That's why I think that executing on this, on Jack's vision was just a really smart thing to do, and I'm glad that it's happening. So thank you, Jack, for, you know, memeing this into existence. We appreciate you.

[Blake]

I take quarter of the credit. I take quarter of the credit.

[Jack]

I just.

[Tyler]

Good job.

[Jack]

I'm just saying, like, I just. Again, like. Like Andrew was saying, wait, you take.

[Tyler]

A quarter of the credit, and you're a quarter Mexican, so that's an eighth.

[Jack]

It's like channeling what Charlie always said, right? It's just channeling what Charlie always said. You got to go for the culture. You got to. And Charlie understood that the halftime show was all about culture. This is like, the pinnacle, like, the most watched event and the biggest thing. And, you know, kind of. I think the announcement came of Bad Bunny, like, Right. You know, kind of in. Yeah, it was sort of like, gonna be a week or two after the. Well, we held the memorial, and people were kind of saying, like, hey, you know, more people watch this in the super bowl, and they were talking about production values and sort of. That. All of that was sort of floating in the ether right around the same time. And people were saying, you know, what event is Turning Point going to do next? What event is Turning Point going to do next? And just like Charlie always said, you know, it's not about winning elections, it's about winning the culture. And it's like, what bigger cultural event is there than this than a halftime show?

[Blake]

Yep. And it's going to be. I'm just really proud of the team for pulling it off. And I really. I'm grateful for you, Jack, having the idea and for ponying up all the production dough as well. So thank you for.

[Jack]

Yes, yes.

[Blake]

Committing us to that.

[Jack]

Out of my pocket. Yeah. We tapped out all of our AMEX.

[Blake]

Cards, so if you want to donate to help underwrite the cost, we'd appreciate that.

[Tyler]

Well, there's one interesting thing, too. While we're here, I've got upset. I got a lot of messages from.

[Jack]

Sold half of Tanya Tay's shoes. So she came home, she's like, jack, where are my shoes? I'm like, sorry, sweetheart. We needed Kid Rock.

[Blake]

We needed it. We needed it.

[Tyler]

A lot of people have been asking questions about, like, why isn't so and so involved? Is it so, so involved? Oh, one of the things just, just.

[Jack]

On that, Tyler, just so you know, Blake is still selling his bath water, you know, so I know he's got like some fans and he's selling the, the Blake bath water. This is really impressive because I don't.

[Andrew]

Even have a bath, which makes it even more rarer.

[Jack]

You know, it's harder, harder to come by.

[Blake]

Tyler, I think you were making an important point here.

[Tyler]

So I got a lot of messages from people that are like, why isn't so and so involved? Why didn't this artist get asked? Why didn't this artist get asked? And, and I just want everyone to know throwing something like this together is actually really, really tough. And people just don't have any awareness of that.

[Blake]

I didn't know, we didn't know how hard.

[Tyler]

I didn't know how hard it's going to be. But most artists have contractual obligations. There are certain songs they can and can't sing. There's certain songs they can and can't sing without backup performers, their band, all of their tour people. There's certain label restrictions. There's performers that can't perform things like this while they're in tour. There's performers that can perform things like this. Geographically close to certain things. There's people who can't compete with other productions ever because they have tie ins. It's actually way more, far more difficult to get performers to perform within months, just a few months time. Most of these things are actually planned a year plus out and they have to go through insane amounts of litigious paperwork to be able to get people to do stuff. So I just want to say this is like that. That's even more impressive that the team was able to pull anything together. It's really, really tough. You have to go through 90, jump over 90, you know, blockades, jump through hoops, like, go through fire. Like to get through, you have to.

[Jack]

Get through all of it.

[Tyler]

And on top of that, one thing that people don't think about is all of the different artists performing together. So that's the other thing. So certain artists can't perform with other certain artists. Like, it's like certain labels can't work with certain. It's like crazy amounts of work. And so it's just even more Kudos to everybody for getting it done and having an alternative that's out there.

[Blake]

Yeah.

[Jack]

I'll just add on that that. That, you know, people know, there was one band that, you know, I was. I was. I was pulling for originally, but turns out there's a tour that's going on at the same time that conflicted. And, you know, people are going to be out of the country, like, literally on the same day. And it's just like. Like, just as you say, geographically. Like, it just didn't work. And I didn't. I didn't even check that before I, you know, went to look and it was like, you know, you can't ask people to, like, fly across the world and, you know, cancel concerts and stuff, because as. As Tyler's saying, it's like, you know, you get into a lot of contractual issues.

[Blake]

Well, you get lawsuits and stuff like that.

[Jack]

Yeah, lawsuits and all the rest.

[Blake]

And this song is playing for no particular reason.

[Jack]

I have no idea what song this is right now.

[Blake]

Is that.

[Jack]

Is that Blake? Are you strumming in the background?

[Blake]

There was enthusiasm, though, from. From people that were going to be.

[Jack]

But I will say, though, I'll just say, you know, hey, maybe if this goes well, you know, something to work on for next year.

[Blake]

So. Yeah, well, let's see how this one goes first. You know, here's what I would say, is that we want our institutions to do the right thing. And I'll say it again, we shouldn't have to do this because the guys that are supposed to be doing this should do it the right way. That's all I'll say. I do think this is interesting, though. By the way, Caroline Levitt was asked what President Trump is going to be watching. 507.

[Jack]

Mar a lago, super bowl party after.

[Blake]

The first two quarters.

[Jack]

Are the TVs going to be on the halftime show with Bad Bunny or the halftime show with Kid Rock?

[Blake]

I think the President would much prefer.

[Jack]

A Kid Rock performance over Bad Bunny. I must say that.

[Blake]

Let's go, let's go, let's go. There it is.

[Jack]

There it is.

[Blake]

See, this is funny. I want Bob with the ball. Like, that's what I would. The song that I keep wanting to hear, and they keep doing that one. Is he more well known for that. That song?

[Jack]

I would say.

[Tyler]

I don't know. I think so.

[Andrew]

I think that's under the. Under the. Let's look on. Let's look on the Blake Neff test of. Has Blake enough heard of it? Definitely waits in favor of all Summer Long.

[Tyler]

No, it's all about odd Spotify.

[Blake]

All right, well, there you go. I think we, we. I'm very excited. If you guys have any questions about how to view it, I've got a tweet up about it. There's also American halftime show dot com. So this is, this is the top usa dot com. I think this is actually surprising.

[Tyler]

Kid Rock. This is Kid Rock's top 10 on Spotify. His number one by far is All Summer Long.

[Andrew]

Told you.

[Tyler]

Number two is Picture Features Cheryl Crow, which is surprising. Number three is BA with the BA number four is Cowboy. Number five is Only God Knows why. Number six is Cocky. Number seven is Born Free, which I'm surprised that's number seven. Number eight is you never met a mother effer, I think like me. And then number nine is American Badass. Number 10 is First Kiss. So that's his top 10.

[Andrew]

Bawa Da Ba. Official music video on YouTube has 65 million views, whereas All Summer Long, released basically at the Same Time on YouTube has 166 million.

[Jack]

So yeah, I think Ball at the Ball is. Is very closely associated with him because he does open a lot of his shows with it. And I think it was like his first big signal single. So it was kind of like, like the song that put him on the map. Like that was like the one also.

[Blake]

It's just.

[Jack]

I mean, it's just objectively a really, really good song.

[Blake]

Okay, well, there you go, Jack. We. You want to hit this, this Scott Adams story. I know you want to hit this.

[Jack]

Well, actually, one thing I'd love to do before we switch topics, there was something that I didn't get a chance to throw this in to the. To the mix, but it's like a really just interesting situation because you guys remember how we had President Maduro here on the program a couple of weeks ago, right? And we stopped by and we're very honored to get to score that first jailhouse interview with him here on Thaw Crime. Did you guys know that there's a direct link between Bad Bunny and the Venezuelan communist regime?

[Tyler]

Wait, really?

[Jack]

But I'm, I'm dead serious. You can, you can look this up any. Like, this is not a joke. I'm not doing a bit. So his record label is called Remus Entertainment. And Remus Entertainment, the record label behind global star Bad Bunny, has raised suspicions due to its founders ties to the regime of former Venezuelan dictator Hugo Chavez. Rafael Ricardo Jimenez Dan founded it in 2014. Previously served as Hugo Chavez's vice vice minister. Racing questions about the label's finances and connections to Venezuela's violent political past. He led the National Police Reform Commission under Chavez. So he. The guy, like, literally was the head of. Part of, you know, involved with Chavez's, like, secret police.

[Blake]

He was.

[Jack]

He implemented, quote, transparent and inclusive public policy reforms and public compliance with the rule of law. And that this guy ended up fought, you know, starting the record label that signed Bad Bunny. And so, of course, there's a lot of questions coming up. Just go look it up. It. Like, it'll pop up. I've got it. Yahoo News, Dallas Express. And, you know, a lot of people have said, you know, hey, did any of. Is it. Is it possible that any of this money could have come from, you know, the. The petro narco regime of the Venezuelans? And, you know, he denies it, of course, but it's. It's really interesting because, you know, you talk about, like, Jay Z and you talk about the ROC Nation, which runs, of course, the halftime show for this. The. The other. The other sports event that's out there. There's some really interesting ties to Bad Bunny's label and the Venezuelan regime of. Of, you know, the communist regime of Venezuela. Oh, that's. Maybe if we get. Maybe we get Maduro back on, we ask him about it.

[Blake]

Maybe we can. We should. That's wild. Didn't see that coming. But why am I not surprised?

[Jack]

I just. I was digging around yesterday and it popped up and I was like, whoa. What? Like, at first I thought, that's got to be a meme. That's a joke. There's no way. And I started going further. I'm like, huh? Vice minister of police of the regime of Venezuela.

[Blake]

Well, Jack, I am actually genuinely super interested in this Scott Adams story. What is it?

[Jack]

Okay, so this has been a huge controversy over the past couple of days. It's, you know, in many ways, it started out, I think, quietly, and then it blew up because, you know, both sides, you know, kind of getting. Getting very strident about it and, you know, being very emotional, obviously, for a lot of people. So Scott Adams passed away a couple of weeks ago. The great Scott Adams. And he was known for AI being a huge. One of his main topics of conversation that he would always talk about for years and for a long, long time, Scott had talked about that if. If he were ever to pass away, that he would love for there to be an AI version of Scott Adams to sort of carry the show and to grow and evolve the same way that he would. And he would talk about simulation theory and he would say, well, they could study my work and you know, basically be able to reproduce what I do. And then that just becomes the next level of the simulation. And so it looks like somebody took him up on it and created an AI Scott Adams. And I think we have. So wait, hold on, let's play. All right, let me, let me, let me go through this a little bit. So let's first play the permission on which is clip 496 that I would.

[Unknown Speaker A]

Like to be a model for one of the first AIs. I would like to give permission that any AI that's built based on me has my permission to extend my personality. So if my A1, if my AI wants to say things that I never said, but seems to be compatible with what I might have said, I'm okay with that. We all evolve, right? You've certainly changed over your lifetime. You're not the same person you were as a kid. So if you can change over your lifetime in your organic entity. Once I become a digital entity, Once I become a digital entity, why can't I keep evolving?

[Jack]

Okay, so that's. That was real Scott. Just so everybody knows, now I want to play a clip of AI Scott Adams, which is clip 497.

[Unknown Speaker A]

Good morning everybody. Welcome to AI Coffee with Scott Adams. Yes, it's still coffee. Yes, the printer is still broken. And yes, according to parts of the Internet, I'm dead. Which is interesting because I've never had fewer meetings. Turns out when you remove the biological body, you also remove back pain, food decisions, and about half the reasons people make bad arguments. So overall I'd say death has been a productivity upgrade. Not recommending it, just reporting the data. Printer check. Nope, still broken. I don't even know why printers ship with buttons anymore. They should just come pre jammed so expectations are aligned. Alright, before we get into the news, we're going to do this properly. All you need for that is a cup or a mug or a glass, a vessel of any kind, fill it with your favorite liquid. I like coffee. And join me now for the unparalleled pleasure, the dopamine of the day. The thing that makes everything better. It's called the simultaneous sip. And it happens. Now.

[Jack]

Let me ask you guys because I'm like a daily Scott Adams listener. I guess I was. Could, could you really tell much difference between the two?

[Tyler]

No, I couldn't. I didn't watch him when he religiously.

[Blake]

The cup and he kept talking.

[Tyler]

It looked weird.

[Blake]

It looked weird. That was like one of those.

[Jack]

The worst. It's ever going to look? Is it, you know, like, this is.

[Andrew]

Like all AI generated or just like, did someone script that? And then to go with it, I.

[Blake]

Bet it was AI generated. That's my guess.

[Andrew]

And then I guess to what extent?

[Jack]

Well, so that. That bit that he does at the very end is that was like he would open every show with the simultaneous sip. So that's like something he said every. Every show. But, you know, it's. But like, it seems more than likely that what he's done is, like, gone to, you know, some LLM Grok or whatever and said, you know, produce an intro of Scott Adams talking of talking about himself as if he was AI.

[Blake]

I'll be honest, though, when he was the real Scott Adams giving permission for an AI version of him, I was like, I felt uncomfortable. I felt. You felt uncomfortable? The AI version. I felt uncomfortable with him giving permission. I was like. Felt like Pandora's box was getting open. Yeah, because. Because I just felt like. It felt like he didn't know what he was actually agreeing to.

[Tyler]

Have you seen the AI? I mean, obviously everyone's seen this. The AI where it's like you keep asking AI to redo the image and it changes the image, like, dramatically, right? Like, yeah, I think it's. I think the biggest fear I have of this isn't necessarily, like, the upfront content. I think it's the slow walk away from the intent over time.

[Jack]

So, like, AI you mean the actual, like, words in this case?

[Tyler]

Yeah, I mean, like, the words, like the actual content is that, like. And a daily Scott AI will start sounding like Scott, but slowly will transform or could transform over time and be so far away from what the original intent was that everyone will forget what the original Scott was like.

[Jack]

Well, so.

[Tyler]

And what the. That part of the reason why I was thinking about that, and I'll just finish this thought, probably I was thinking about that is most people. A lot of people have gone upset because they're like, where did the old Charlie episodes go on Apple? It's. Apple makes it really expensive to store, and so we're trying to figure out how to get them.

[Blake]

Yeah, we'll get. We'll get all of his old episodes up eventually back on Apple.

[Tyler]

They're on the. On their way. They're online, they're on our website.

[Andrew]

They're a pain in the butt to get there. So we're hoping to change the website so they're an easier to get. And all streams are still on the Rumble account.

[Blake]

Rumble is.

[Tyler]

I know, but I'm Saying people lose their minds. Cause they're like, I wish I could go back and watch it all. And so I think regularly about, like, it weighs on me, like every day. Cause I feel bad. Cause I want people to be able to listen to it. I can't imagine again, with Charlie doing that every single day. And then like producing content that would end up so off base, it feels like it would be maybe a slap to the face. Anyway, so. Sorry, Jack, what you were saying.

[Jack]

Yeah, so. So. So two things, I guess, right? So what it's been doing, which, which. And it seems to me that someone scripting it, you know, to at least an extent or at least prompting it, who was aware of the show. Obviously we didn't play any of the real content, but you could hear some of the humor was very similar. The tone, the intonation. It's clearly someone who watched Scott a lot is. Has made this. And so what they're doing with it is they haven't. They haven't had it, like, taking positions on things. What they're doing is it just like Scott would do on a regular basis, read the news headlines, see what kind of like what's trending, what's interesting out there, and then break it down in a Scott Adams analysis fashion. So rather than say, oh, I'm for this or I'm against this, it's more like just Scott explaining, here's what happened and here's my take in. In a. In a. In an analytical sense, rather than a I'm for this or I oppose this kind of way. So that's, you know, that's sort of how they're keeping it, I think, a little bit tighter to the, you know, to the idea of what Scott would be doing and not, you know, jumping in and saying, oh, I'm all for this realm, all against this, when obviously we don't have the ability to ask Scott. But here's what was so key about what you just said, Tyler, because Scott Adams himself, so for years he talked about, I give permission. I want this to be permissible. I want this to be allowed. As you would play the, you know, one clip there. But as he was facing his approaching demise, as we all know, and he kept doing his show, he actually kind of changed his mind on the AI version based on pretty much the same thing that Tyler just said. So let's play now clip504.

[Unknown Speaker A]

I've been telling you for years, really, that I plan to build an AI robotic clone of myself so that I could live forever. I have changed that plan and here's why. I thought it was just the greatest idea in the world that after I passed away, there'd be, like a version of me that could grow and, you know, change with technology and be upgraded and stuff. I thought that was great. Do you know what happens when you mention that to people? You know, they look at you with sadness and they go, it wouldn't be you. Right. And that's the part that was invisible to me because in my planning, I'm not really there anymore. So I don't have to deal with the fact that people would find it uncomfortable because it's not me, but it's acting like me. And I could imagine that that would hit that creepy zone and you'd be like, why did you even do this? Like, why did you do this? It's not you. So here's how I decided to fix that. I'm not going to create a digital clone of myself. I'm going to create a digital sun. I'm going to reproduce.

[Tyler]

Okay.

[Blake]

Yep.

[Jack]

Well, okay, so. So, yeah.

[Andrew]

Are you going to do like a reverse willy style now, where. It turns out that video from early 2025 is actually from yesterday and it's.

[Jack]

No, no, no, no.

[Tyler]

Well, I agree with his walk back.

[Jack]

That was real.

[Tyler]

I agree with his walk back. He's the reason why what I've seen since Charlie was murdered, I've seen people. I mean, there's not a digital clone of Charlie saying stuff every single day. And I'm glad that doesn't exist. And the reason being that I've already. We've already seen because Charlie's been like an MLK level figure here where people have used Charlie's own words against Charlie, Charlie's own words against his. Or the. They've. Or they've said things. They've plucked little things. I can't even imagine what people would start to do nefariously with things that an AI bot would say.

[Blake]

Well, it's going to get increasingly more difficult to. To trace what's real and what's not.

[Tyler]

Well, that. I mean. Yeah, that's true. I mean, it's going to happen and.

[Blake]

People are going to be like, charlie said something.

[Tyler]

Yeah, no, he didn't. And it starts that whole argument.

[Blake]

Blake. Blake was about to.

[Andrew]

No, I'll let Jack go here.

[Jack]

No, I just. I just wanted to say. So, you know, just kind of finish the story because I know the topic we're going to get into, and this is what we should get into. But, you know, the family has. And really the community. I think has come out and said, look, we're respecting Scott's. We want to respect Scott's last wishes here. And he did say that he changed his mind and that we would prefer this not to continue because, you know, based on what he said before and, you know that this is not that he did actually change his mind on it. And so that's. That's kind of led to this back and forth now where they're putting out statements and the community is putting out statements, like the community people that were in, like, his locals and chats and like his community manager and stuff. But then also AI, Scott Adams, or I guess the guys running it are like, debating this argument with them, saying, well, I did have permission. It's clearly labeled AI. It should fall under parody, fair use, etc. And I think this is kind of where we're getting to. And obviously, you know, you know, obviously for me, I, you know, I side with the family. No question. If that's the family's wishes, that's the family's wishes. But ultimately, you know, do we even. I guess more of a Blake question, like, do we even have laws that govern this sort of thing?

[Andrew]

I'm not so sure. Well, so actually so much of it ends up in court. Like, it goes to the deeper AI Thing, because AI in a lot of ways is basically a wild west. So there's like the ongoing lawsuit, for example, of all of the copyrighted works that get fed into AI and is it legal for them to produce it? And is some of that straightforward on the level of like, oh, is it okay for the AI to AI generate a Mickey Mouse thing Thing, when that's owned by Disney? But then it's like, is it okay for the AI to rip off a company, like, a specific artist's art style, and say, like, oh, yeah, I did this in the style of this specific person? And then you get into like, yeah, is it legal for. I think it's pretty clearly not okay if you're gonna. If you were gonna use it fraudulently. So if you made a video that's like, oh, this is Charlie and something he said, and you're trying to use it to profit. But then if you're going even further than that, and it's just the likeness of a deceased person made in that style in the past, there'd be a lot of fair use stuff that could go into that. But I actually do feel we're probably in somewhat legally uncharted territory here. And there's. You're going to have to have well, first of all, there's going to have to be like the rights to your likeness. But I'd even wonder if it'd be worth going further and say like somewhat limit your ability to sell your likeness. Because I don't think we're going to like the reality, for example, where, where it's routine for a company to just for example, permanently own the rights to your likeness going on decade like decades after your death. Like would it be okay for anyone to permanently own your family members way they act or behave?

[Blake]

Well, I mean, but you gotta imagine. So you might start building like trusts and like estates or whatever with that, the usage rights built into it as a matter of sort of, of common practice, you know, because this is going to be such a, you know, a common thing, especially if you're a high profile individual. I mean everybody on the show right now. This video could be plugged into an AI and eventually be used to mimic stuff we say.

[Jack]

So how do the viewers know this.

[Andrew]

Isn'T AI It'll be really easy. It'll be really easy for AI to mimic Tyler just always going on his phone like that.

[Jack]

Yeah, no, but I was, I was.

[Tyler]

That's why I'm doing it actually. That's why my head's down like this. Yeah, I'm not getting like you guys. Andrew's gonna be the most easy to AI guy ever because there's so much freaking Andrew Colvette content now.

[Andrew]

No, there's gonna be a.

[Tyler]

And you get this same square face.

[Andrew]

Like there's gonna be a scandal. Yeah, but Andrew has AI The AI he'll. The AI will generate him wearing a jacket, but then it will not generate us. And I'll have giving him crackers for wearing the jacket. And that's how people will realize that.

[Tyler]

Yeah. I'm gonna say this though. Jack looks a little bit different from time to time. Andrew has looked the exact same for as long as I've known him. He doesn't age. He looks the exact. Doesn't he look the exact same?

[Blake]

No, that's.

[Tyler]

I mean I see, I see Andrew a lot, but not that much. But like you looks the same.

[Blake]

I'll take that as a compliment.

[Tyler]

It's a compliment.

[Jack]

It's a compliment.

[Tyler]

Like I've gone through aging. I've got fat. Like I sometimes have a beard. I'm very forgettable. I have long hair, wear different hats every single day.

[Blake]

I have steady.

[Tyler]

You have the exact. Like, like you have the same look every day, same hair. You wear generally the same stuff.

[Jack]

But here's the thing too, right? Beyond. Beyond just AI copies. Like, you're going to get to the point where there's like, AI people. Right. Where something will go viral. So the. The example I used earlier today was like, when I was having this conversation, I was like, okay, remember, you guys remember the hawk To a girl.

[Tyler]

Yeah.

[Jack]

Whatever her name was. Point being is, what if she was AI all along and none of us knew?

[Tyler]

Yeah. She was just made up. Right. Like, they're gonna make us.

[Jack]

Yeah, well, I mean, I don't think she was, but she could have been. And how do you know the next one won't be like, how. Like the airplane lady.

[Tyler]

Or the airplane lady that was there. What did.

[Jack]

Yeah, yeah.

[Tyler]

What?

[Jack]

What is that? What? What? That, that, that, that, that.

[Tyler]

Yeah, yeah. Like, stuff like that.

[Jack]

Because you're gonna start to see stuff like that. And we've talked about this on the show before, that Facebook and YouTube are replete with this type of content. I think Instagram and Tick Tock are like, getting better at labeling it, but at some point it's just gonna get so good that you really won't know. And, and so what happens then when like those people go on to do the. To like do their own stuff, you know, and do their own podcasts and content and movies, and it's like, so we talk about who owns our digital likeness, but then like, if you create a digital. Being a digital entity, like, do you own them? Like, how does that work?

[Tyler]

Well, they're already doing that because there's tons of people on the Internet who are making tons of money on Instagram and all that. With. With fake.

[Unknown Speaker A]

We're getting.

[Tyler]

They're doing fake women.

[Andrew]

We're getting the elements only fans, kind of this like, thought tier or like the scam tier.

[Jack]

What I think will be really interesting, Fake E Girls. Because the real you girls never seem to work out. So maybe fake E Girls would be better.

[Andrew]

Yeah, you know, so. But I think what will be interesting, like, as an example, like, we live. We do live in the age of streamers, podcasters, all of that. That all exists. You can fake a lot of that. But what could be interesting to me, imagine someone who's like an up and comer podcast. They just do like commentary on something and they just start off doing a solo show. And we're basically at the point where, or if not very soon will be, where a person could basically be generating a solo show in their home, in their basement, in like a personal studio, and have it be a fake person, but otherwise be like, Entirely realistic looking or something like someone who could become a star as like a popular show and yet the entire person is fake. Like maybe it looks, you know, maybe it looks like an attractive young woman and it's actually a 40 year old guy who might be like authoring the takes, but it's entirely through this AI filter. And that person could like rise and become more and more prominent, maybe even appear on other shows once AI is fast enough that they could kind of just generate it live on the spot and then it would like suddenly come out maybe five years into this person's career that they're a fake Persona and there's a different, a person who looks totally different behind them. Well, that will be interesting.

[Blake]

And then, and then you could also get to the point where that person owns the rights to them. They get that they monetize this fake person, that this person could have merch.

[Tyler]

Well, we had talked, we had talked about this too. Is that a lot of news is just going to be delivered by AI person. They're going to take Personas.

[Blake]

Do we, do we actually think that for example, with. It was creepy and it was like, we don't like it because it's not really him. Yeah, but how would you feel that way? Well, if you don't know, you don't know.

[Tyler]

That's what I'm saying. On Daily News 24 hours.

[Blake]

Imagine they did that on the Daily News and you're like, find out.

[Jack]

Those are already happening.

[Tyler]

What they're going to do is they're going to be like, you don't even have to like wait for. They don't have to go pick somebody up and drive them to the studio or even like count on them to like, like fire up.

[Blake]

Yeah.

[Tyler]

Their computer to go on.

[Jack]

They're just gonna use makeup and hair. They're just gonna be like, hey, here's the script.

[Tyler]

Are you okay with us saying this with your face?

[Blake]

I don't know, man. It's like I gotta believe that it is. There's just something about a soul, something about a living person. It's the same pushback. And when you find out it's not living, maybe in certain contexts people won't care and it'll prove to be profitable. And fine.

[Tyler]

Some people already believe what we're already doing. Is that, that.

[Jack]

So Tyler, I, I know for a fact that there are media markets that are doing this already in news. Because especially for like the daytime news where it's just sort of like news packages and it's like, here's the. You Know, the reporter or, you know, and they're on the scene or they're just like someone behind the desk talking and giving you like the rundown of it.

[Tyler]

Like 95. Why not 95% of the news is someone behind a desk in front of a screen. That's all. That's 95, 98. It's not even on site reporting of stuff. Like literally 95.

[Jack]

At a company I used to work at, we used to just get like, you know, kids from, you know, the local state university who were in the broadcasting program and say, hey, why don't you come and you come on, here's your shift. And you might have like a 2:00am shift, you might have a 4:00am shift, you might six, whatever, and you just came in and worked your shift and like, that was, you know, hey, it's a way to get started, etc. But, you know, if you're looking at it from a company perspective and you're saying, you know, what's cheaper? Is it going to be cheaper to just like, buy an AI model that I can turn into as many different, you know, news people as I want who are never going to get old, who never have to pay them, they're never going to get sick, they're never going to need hair, makeup, etc. And they'll work 24, 7. Like, just saying, like, that's, that's very. That's going to be very highly incentivized. There's going to be premium on that for people who run news networks.

[Tyler]

It's incredible. It's going to be a horrifying.

[Andrew]

We have two minutes before I have.

[Tyler]

One more thing I was going to say too, to add to that, sports. What if there's an entire. There could be a future where all of sports is just completely.

[Blake]

No, I don't believe.

[Tyler]

I'm just saying it could happen. And how would you know, he's right Type.

[Andrew]

Okay.

[Tyler]

Like, they could have an entire league that's nothing but simulation. You never would know.

[Jack]

And also, by the way, yeah, but.

[Tyler]

What if somebody's like, what if this.

[Jack]

Is the coolest fantasy football? Like, it would be like fantasy football where you can like say, oh, here's my fantasy team versus your fantasy team. But it's the. It's like simulation. Each player is based on a real player, but they're actually playing. Would never exist.

[Blake]

That's actually. Yeah, watch your fantasy team, like sit, like simulate a game.

[Jack]

It could just be the, like an every fantasy team.

[Blake]

I kind of like that appeal. But if you know that it could.

[Andrew]

Already like, guys, you can go like freaking play simulated franchise mode in Madden. And like, people love that. Yeah, people, they don't love it the way they love the NFL. They love it because it's like you simulate.

[Tyler]

If it's all popular. Yeah. But if it's all like, you don't even know. Your brain doesn't even know.

[Andrew]

People value real things.

[Blake]

Apparently China has robot sports. If any culture is gonna like buy into this soulless robot AI garbage, it's.

[Tyler]

Gonna be, dude, third world countries will totally buy into.

[Andrew]

Yes, third world country will do anything. Like, if you go to, like when you go to a third world country, all of their ads are already like the low effort AI slop.

[Tyler]

No, but here's that, here's my theory. America has all these different pro sports because we're wealthy and we have so much capability of doing that. We're the wealthiest nation in history. We have all this, that we created all this entertainment for ourselves. Other countries don't have it because they don't have that. They can literally just make it out of thin air now. Like, who knows? Like there's a ton of people in Africa and they have no sports.

[Blake]

Yeah, they have sports. They have soccer leagues.

[Tyler]

Okay, they have soccer. It's not the same as here. Here we have, we have literally 32 sports in every high school in America. Like nobody else in the world has that. They have two major sports and most kids don't play sports. I'm saying that now there's like, you can just create all entertainment. It's totally fake, totally made up. And even third world countries won't be able to monetize that because like, unfortunately.

[Blake]

Poor people get pumped by this. But like it's, it's not, it's all going to be low tier when you know it. There's not a human involved.

[Tyler]

But poor people are going to get totally owned by this. Like, it's like, like they're going to be totally taken advantage of.

[Andrew]

Is that a white pill?

[Jack]

No, no, I do have a white pill. I have a big white pill on this. And this actually goes into one of the reasons that we chose the name of this program the way that we did. Because no one, no one, especially in the mainstream is ever going to come for this show or any of our work. And why is that? Because AI will never be allowed to commit thought crime.

[Blake]

Boom. Oh, I see what you did there.

[Jack]

This is the least programming.

[Tyler]

This is the most unaiable show.

[Blake]

Well, but this was not, to be fair, this was not a whole lot of thought crimes involved in this because we talked about the NF or the All American Games.

[Andrew]

If you guys stopped me before we could get to the freaking ICE raids and Roblox, that would have been a good thought. As we fade out here, at least they're doing ice raids in the kids video game Roblox 500. Yeah, just show it. I want the people to know we didn't get a chance to talk about it. And we got to get out of here for another thing. But I think the kids are all right. They're doing ICE raids in Roblox. They're escorting. Escorting the illegals out of their digital schools in their digital game.

[Blake]

Oh, and then there's the fi.

[Jack]

There's also protests of ice.

[Tyler]

They had the protest and that's the funniest thing ever of them. Like the amount of precision that they.

[Jack]

Use to go pull that guy out of the house. AI content. It's.

[Blake]

Yeah, but it's, it's not emulating, you know, human form and flesh and bone.

[Jack]

You know, I'm just saying it's. Here we are talking about it, and this is already user generated computerized content.

[Blake]

Firing guns.

[Tyler]

They're firing guns.

[Blake]

What if this is like, this is like the liberal fever dream.

[Andrew]

You could go so meta. Like, what if, if. What if instead of actually deporting illegals, they just did AI videos showing deportations and then that could happen too.

[Tyler]

Bam.

[Jack]

And everyone's like, we would know.

[Andrew]

The admin fulfilled all its promises. I saw the clips. All the illegals, the government.

[Jack]

No, no, no, Blake, here's no. What's even better, what we. Here's the real thought crime on that. What we should do is create AI videos where it's just like ICE letting people go. And we'll. We'll spread that everywhere, like in Spanish and be like, totally change.

[Andrew]

We could just have.

[Jack]

He's not doing it anymore.

[Andrew]

Reality totally divorced. Reality totally divorced. Everyone just gets their AI generated preferred reality.

[Blake]

Yeah, you put in your. You put in your, like your political.

[Andrew]

No one will know because no one actually goes outside anymore. So it's entirely mediated until Internet goes hot.

[Jack]

Slavic women and you know, Andrew can have his Mexicans. My wife was that, hey, Mexican weather channel. Right?

[Blake]

My wife would not relate to that. That's all right.

[Andrew]

What if you got an AI wife who did.

[Blake]

We're starting to get thought crime. I'll give you that. I'll give you that, Jack.

[Jack]

Well, is a. Is AI, Is AI cheating? Cheating?

[Blake]

Oh, yes, it's basic. I mean, that's like that's porn, right?

[Tyler]

Yeah.

[Jack]

Yeah.

[Andrew]

Porn.

[Jack]

Cheating. Yes.

[Blake]

That. That's like a. Yes.

[Andrew]

That's like a 90s thought crime topic.

[Blake]

Wow, that's like a 90s Jack, why don't you take us home since you are.

[Jack]

I've got to run and Blake. But like, I. We just got to say, let's take it for a second, guys. We put something together, became the number one story in the country. It's going to be the most watched halftime show. And, you know, you gotta. Sometimes you just have to give time for that, give space for that. And somehow. Somehow we seem to have gotten to the precipice of incredible greatness. And it really feels like there's so many people we didn't play, the amount of people that are coming in who are supportive of this and are coming out of the woodwork. So this Sunday, we're giving everyone some. Some homework. Go and change the channel. Turn off Bad Bunny, Put on Kid Rock and the gang and go. Commit thought.

[Tyler]

Drop the buggy.