THOUGHTCRIME Ep. 115 — Immortal AI Actors? Relooted Artifacts? Kill the Christians?

Summary

Human Events Daily with Jack Posobiec — THOUGHTCRIME Ep. 115 “Immortal AI Actors? Relooted Artifacts? Kill the Christians?”

Date: February 14, 2026
Main Participants: Jack Posobiec (Host), Charlie Kirk, Andrew Torba, Blake, Tyler

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Episode Overview

Main Theme:
This episode centers around the aftermath of the record-breaking “All American Halftime Show” hosted by Turning Point USA, which aired as an alternative to the official NFL Super Bowl halftime event. The hosts dissect the cultural momentum of their show, critique the mainstream halftime performance by Bad Bunny, discuss the cultural shift in America’s music preferences, and reflect on the power and potential of grassroots, faith-driven entertainment. The episode is heavy with humor, teases future plans, and discusses the broader political and cultural landscape reflected in entertainment choices.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Celebrating the Success of the All American Halftime Show

• The hosts are effusive in their gratitude and surprise at the massive success and reach of the Turning Point USA All American Halftime Show.
• The importance of family-friendly entertainment is highlighted repeatedly as a reason for the show's success.
  • Blake observes: “Families could confidently have their children sit in the living room and watch something knowing confidently that booty cheeks or debauchery wouldn’t be on the screen...” (01:43)
• Audience feedback emphasized the relief of not needing to censor or supervise children.
  • Charlie Kirk recounts his wife’s reaction: “For the first time, here we are watching halftime show, and I don’t have to have my thumb over hovering over the remote... It was like good, clean fun.” (03:33–03:54)
• The hosts joke about moments like Kid Rock’s dramatic stage entrance, which further energized their audience and underlined the show's appeal.

2. Mainstream Super Bowl Halftime Show Critique

• Strong criticism of the NFL’s halftime act, which featured Bad Bunny, for cultural and political messaging, lack of musical appeal, and disconnect with core American audiences.
  • Jack Posobiec: “They allowed Jay Z to dominate the halftime show. And he came out... this Spanish only guy who hates America to do the halftime show.” (06:30)
• The hosts lampoon the content of the Bad Bunny performance, especially the lyrics and how out-of-place the performance felt for an American audience.
  • The now-viral translation of Bad Bunny’s hit was played and mocked for its simplicity and lack of depth: “Hey, so my aunt asks me, why so many girlfriends? ... Today I got one and tomorrow I got another one...” [15:41–16:28]

3. Comparing Cultural Representation & Musical Quality

• The discussion moves into broader cultural territory—why the NFL avoids booking country or classic rock artists, despite the American audience's preferences:
  • Jack Posobiec: “Country music… is the most listened to, the most purchased, gets the most attendance, and yet for 30 years there has not been a headliner of country music at the Super Bowl.” (52:05)
• The conversation underscores the perceived agenda within corporate entertainment and a lack of respect for traditional American values.
  • Andrew Torba: “They exploited Hank Williams Jr. for years with his theme... and then when it comes to halftime... they will never go to country. That’s clearly an agenda.” (53:03–53:26)

4. Audience Dynamics: Authenticity and Impact

• The team confirms the authenticity of their streaming numbers and debunks critics who claim it was “botted traffic.” They explain how mainstream metrics (like Nielsen) inflate TV numbers compared to digital streams.
  • Charlie Kirk critiques the bias in ratings counting: “Our streaming numbers are based off of devices... But Nielsen... do the household number and then multiply it by three... But they don’t do that to our numbers.” (45:30)
• The hosts note the organic, viral nature of support and the huge learning curve and challenges they navigated to produce the event.

5. Plans for the Future: Expanding the Festival

• Inspired by success, the group brainstorms potential for an All American pregame show, day-long festivals, and t-shirts commemorating the events.
  • Charlie Kirk shares a suggestion from Tim Pool: “His idea was two stages… so throughout the day you could have it switching back and forth and then there's no… downtime…” (24:44)
• Members jokingly discuss t-shirt ideas: “I switched the channel” and classic band tour-style merch.

6. Faith, Patriotism, and Cultural Restoration

• The hosts frame the All American Halftime Show as a larger movement to offer a clean, patriotic, and faith-filled alternative to mainstream media.
  • Charlie Kirk closes the show: “Thank you to God, thank you to Jesus, thank you to the Holy Spirit. We continue to be humbled by God’s grace.” (60:16)
• They highlight how Kid Rock used his platform during the show to share his salvation story and the Gospel, indicating a pivot for both the artist and the event’s core message.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Blake (On Family-Friendly Content, 01:43):

  "Families could confidently have their children sit in the living room and watch something knowing confidently that booty cheeks or debauchery wouldn’t be on the screen..."

• Charlie Kirk (On Mainstream NFL Halftime, 06:30):

  "They allowed Jay Z to dominate the halftime show... this Spanish only guy who hates America..."

• Jack Posobiec (On Music Preferences, 05:06):

  "As far as I’m concerned, music ended in the year 1991, in that one week gap between when Guns n Roses Use Your Illusion came out and then Nevermind by Nirvana. And after that, there was kind of no more music."

• Bad Bunny Song Translation Mocked (15:41):

  "Hey, so my aunts me, why so many girlfriends? Hey, a lot of girlfriends. Today I got one and tomorrow I got another one. But I never married..."

• Torba (On Cultural Disconnect, 30:59):

  "Now I’m a parent and it’s not geared towards me. It’s geared towards international... Like globalism. Yeah. And non American. Truly."

• Jack Posobiec (Satirical All-American Rap, 33:15):

  "I roll into the club. I. I help out the homeless guys there... I drive a Toyota Avalon. It’s a responsible mid the soup kitchen."

• Charlie Kirk (Comparing Ratings, 45:30):

  "But they don’t do that to our numbers. For our numbers, it’s only what goes by device. So they’ll say, oh, well, you had 25 million. Like, well, if we used your metric, then wouldn’t it be 75 million?"

• Andrew Torba (On Turning Point USA’s Integrity, 40:42):

  "This was a... did not make any kind of revenue... The purpose of this was to live up to the expectations... just about giving Americans alternative in the first place."

• Charlie Kirk (On Future Plans, 52:05):

  "Country music... the most listened to genre in the country... yet for 30 years there has not been a headliner of country music at the Super Bowl."

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Opening & Recap of Success: 00:00–05:30
• The Kid Rock Moment & Clean Entertainment: 01:43–03:54
• Mocking the Bad Bunny Halftime & Cultural Critique: 06:30–21:00
  • Bad Bunny English Translation Played and Mocked: 15:41–16:28
• Discussion of Metrics & Viral Success: 21:00–27:00
• Comparison to Historical Halftimes & Music Cultural Shifts: 27:00–34:00
• Plans for Bigger Future Events: 24:44, 37:19, 52:05
• Faith, Patriotism & Cultural Pushback: 52:05–56:37, 60:16 (closing prayer)
• Listener Feedback, Merchandise Jokes, and Cultural Satire: 41:20–45:35
• Closing Thoughts and Banter: 59:10–60:46

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Overall Tone and Language

The tone is jovial, grassroots, sometimes irreverent, and openly patriotic. The group veers between humor (often at their own expense or in mocking their opponents), pride in their accomplishment, and a consistent thread of Christian faith. Critique of mainstream media and culture is pointed but often wrapped in jokes or anecdotes.

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This episode provides a thorough breakdown of why the All American Halftime Show resonated, its cultural and spiritual stakes, and lays the groundwork for future activism through entertainment. The hosts' camaraderie and conviction shine, making a compelling listen (or informative catch-up for those who missed it live).

Transcript

[Jack Posobiec]

From the age of Big Brother.

[Charlie Kirk]

If they want to get you, they'll get you.

[Andrew Torba]

DNSA specifically targets the communications of everyone.

[Charlie Kirk]

They're collecting your communications. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to this week's edition of Thought Crime Thursday. Here we are, we're back. Hugely successful All American halftime show. T.P. u.S.A. number one, U.S. live stream of all time. Number two, worldwide live stream on YouTube of all time. And it's. It's. You have to just be humbled by God's grace. You have to go with Jesus. You have to lead. You have to. You have to follow the lead, I should say, of our Lord. And it's. It's. It's amazing. It's been incredible to see. We talked about it last week and obviously we're going to get into it this week now, you know, kind of the aftermath, the. The incredible outpouring of support. This thing broke containment, Absolutely broke containment. And I believe we have Blake and Mikey here today. What's up, guys?

[Blake]

How we doing?

[Jack Posobiec]

We're doing lovely. Tyler's supposed to be here, but he's doing that thing or he, like, flies in late. He'll probably have some just kind of T shirt.

[Charlie Kirk]

Mike, you were. You weren't here last week, so I want to. I want to get your take on this. You know, why was it that the All American halftime show went as big as it did?

[Blake]

I think part of it was that families could confidently have their children sit in the living room and watch something knowing confidently that booty cheeks or debauchery wouldn't be on the screen and that they wouldn't have to say, kids, go in the other room. This is not good. Close your eyes, plug your ears. And it was a breath of fresh air. 1. It was just exciting. It celebrated America, but also it uplifted values and it uplifted Christ and it uplifted the fact that a lot of people have that Bible that's on the shelf that needs a little bit of dusting off. But, Jack, I thought you did a great job introing it. The artist did amazing. It was just overall such a massive success. I just remember watching it and I was like, oh, man, I just wish that we add this one thing and then, you know, one minute later it happens and you're like, this is so great. But how about when Kid Rock jumps out from the stage? That intro was one of the greatest.

[Charlie Kirk]

So as cool as that was, by the way, and I saw you tweeting up a storm about that when we were. When we were there on the set and I heard that. That he had, like, the jump spring for that, like, the trapdoor. I was like, so, so. So can I test that? Like, you know, gotta. Gotta make sure that it's perfectly safe for Mr. Rock. So if you guys. If you guys need someone to test, maybe. And they looked me like. They're like, no, Jack, you cannot. Was like, well, I was like, we already said I couldn't play with the fireball. So, you know, come on, guys.

[Blake]

They really should have.

[Jack Posobiec]

Do they always call him Mr. Rock like that?

[Andrew Torba]

Like Mr.

[Blake]

Kid as he has he, like, legally.

[Charlie Kirk]

Change his name usually. Usually you hear Bob or like, Mr. R. Okay.

[Jack Posobiec]

All right. It'd be funny if he got, you know, like an honorary doctorate and they're like, Dr. Rock.

[Blake]

Dr. Rock. Dr. Rock.

[Charlie Kirk]

That'll be his next iteration.

[Blake]

But, Blake, I know such a great.

[Charlie Kirk]

You mentioned that real quick that Tanya said that my wife Tanya said the same thing Tanya, that she said for the first time. Here we are watching halftime show, and I don't have to have, like, my. My thumb over hovering over the remote, you know, having to click off because something is there that we don't want to see.

[Jack Posobiec]

And.

[Charlie Kirk]

And she was like. It was like good, clean fun. And I actually. Funny enough, she didn't actually, like, ask me for many, you know, spoilers in terms of any of that stuff. I think she just kind of trusted, if it's TP usa, like, it's going.

[Andrew Torba]

To be good to go.

[Blake]

That's so great. That's so great. So I've heard so much feedback from different people with that exact same thing. They just knew that it was tpa, so they knew it would be fine for their kids, which I just think is so cool. But, Blake, do you have, like, a Kid Rock impersonation with when he. You're in your rock voice?

[Jack Posobiec]

No, I don't. I can't.

[Blake]

What about your Saxon.

[Jack Posobiec]

My. My Saxon voice? I mean, if I want to be like rock. If I want to be like a British chav. Rock star.

[Charlie Kirk]

Blake, what would it sound like if. If. If Sebastian Bach was. Was singing ball with the ball.

[Blake]

Yeah.

[Jack Posobiec]

Can you please. You're really. You're imposing a lot of. A lot of.

[Charlie Kirk]

When he does my name.

[Jack Posobiec]

The problem is I don't. The problem, among other things, is I don't know the word the words to Ba With.

[Blake]

Oh, dude, that literally.

[Jack Posobiec]

I never heard of Ba with the.

[Charlie Kirk]

Name is Until Rock.

[Blake]

Yeah.

[Jack Posobiec]

I had never heard of Ba with duba until this halftime show came upon us.

[Blake]

Ah, yeah.

[Jack Posobiec]

That is my level of detachment.

[Charlie Kirk]

Lived on planet Earth?

[Andrew Torba]

Come on.

[Charlie Kirk]

Like in the last couple decades.

[Jack Posobiec]

No, it's literally, look, I am music wise. As far as I'm concerned, music ended in the year 1991, in that one week gap between when Guns n Roses use your illusion came out and then Nevermind by Nirvana. And after that, there was kind of no more music. I grew up thinking I just didn't like music. Like, true story. I just didn't like music because I didn't like anything that was on the radio. I didn't like any of these rap people. I didn't like this new metal. I didn't like this hip hop and it's like all that was. Or this alt rock.

[Blake]

Yep.

[Jack Posobiec]

Never mind ghastly things like Radiohead. I was a very bad white person. And then I. As I aged into, you know, middle school, I discovered, wait, there are these musical albums and songs that were released prior to my birth, and they are the true music of my people, the Midwestern white guy. And so I listen to my Midwestern white guy music and occasionally my imported British heavy metal music. And, you know, we have our alternative halftimes. And I'm very happy we put it on. And a lot of people liked it, but as I've repeatedly said, it's a bunch of acts that have never crossed my playlist in my life.

[Andrew Torba]

Same here.

[Blake]

That didn't stop me from loving it.

[Charlie Kirk]

But then. But then. Okay, so that being said, what is your sense then of why was it that this took off and just put up the incredible numbers that it did?

[Jack Posobiec]

Well, let's be true, let's be real. There was a significant push factor going on from the NFL where they allowed Jay Z to dominate the halftime show. And he came out and he says, we're gonna pick this Spanish only guy who hates America to do the halftime show. And then he comes out and he says, I hate America. I'm going to crap on the American flag. You have four months to learn to speak Spanish.

[Blake]

Titi mi pregunta.

[Jack Posobiec]

And then I'm gonna. And then the actual show starts. And I don't know if you guys have seen it. It's something that would be inflicted on Gitmo detainees, I'm sure, where it's this baffling thing. He just kind of babbles in Spanish. You don't know what he's doing. And apparently it was really terrible. If you were a fan at the stadium, they got so addicted to the. The cinema of it being on air. So if you were in the lower bowl of Levi's, Stadium. Everyone just didn't know what was going on. And.

[Blake]

Yep.

[Jack Posobiec]

It's amazing, too, to see this aspect of it where the people who are trying to give positive reviews and it's stuff like in that skit they're doing, someone is like, asleep on two chairs. And someone's like, oh, someone asleep on two chairs. Bad bunny. Totally gets the Hispanic experience, which is this very real thing. Everyone's going viral.

[Charlie Kirk]

This was going viral.

[Jack Posobiec]

Yeah, exactly. Exactly like one.

[Andrew Torba]

Of course.

[Charlie Kirk]

So this is so Latino. This is Latino culture. And it's like, okay, in Latino culture, we have this.

[Jack Posobiec]

We have this tradition. We call it dinner. And you eat with other people in your family because in our culture, every.

[Andrew Torba]

Day, food is important.

[Blake]

My favorite is Jack. Weird texting about this is like. Like the actual. The. The translation of his song is. There's this guy. His video went viral.

[Charlie Kirk]

Do we have the English one? Do we have the guy?

[Blake]

Oh, my gosh. Do we have it?

[Charlie Kirk]

Literally, Tanya Tay was. Has been playing that, like, 10 times a day since that came out. We've done.

[Andrew Torba]

We.

[Charlie Kirk]

We have to pull it now. We've done a horrible job of show prep, as usual. But it's like, when you actually hear it in. Yeah. English, it's like, that's what he's like. It wasn't even that because, like, there's good Spanish music out there, right? Like, JLo performed before and like, Shakira.

[Jack Posobiec]

Hold on, hold on. There's good Spanish music and it's.

[Blake]

Yeah.

[Charlie Kirk]

You know. Yeah, it's great. It's great.

[Blake]

Imagine if they played this in the Super Bowl.

[Jack Posobiec]

That's kind of what they used to. Have you ever seen what they used to. Have you ever seen what they used to. What they used to do at the Super Bowl? Like, I think literally the first super bowl halftime show was straight up marching band just doing, like. That was what they had at the Packers Chiefs.

[Blake]

First one was acceptable. Yeah. I think it's literally like, my auntie asked me how many girlfriends I had, and it's like, I can't. Let me see if I. Yeah, Muchas novias. Many girlfriends. So he just keeps singing about how many girlfriends he has as guy.

[Jack Posobiec]

Yeah, it's like, I have a girlfriend one week, and then I have a different one the next week, and then we have these brainless guy and you have a girlfriend. You know, the never trump. The never trump. Like, cuckcon Congress. Like, those guys, they're doing these comments and they're trying to say, among other things, this is a very, like, pro. This is like A traditional values, pro family halftime show. And they just don't know the lyrics to the songs at all because no one does. And.

[Charlie Kirk]

No, but I'm. But I'm like, I'm making a criticism of it from. From a musical perspective, right? Like, not even beyond the lyrics. Beyond the obvious, like, open borders globalism display all of, like, the ridiculous. Like, we sleep on chairs sometimes at weddings when we're kids. Like, you mean, like, literally all kids would do. But it was. It's like, it's not catchy. There's no hooks. There's no chorus. Like, I'm not going to sit here and say that. Like, I listen to Shakira. But, like, people could probably name a couple Shakira songs. They could probably hum. Hum a chorus, you know, Mikey, of course, you know, is actually a big Mike. People don't know this about Mikey McCoy. He has a giant Shakira tattoo all the way across his back that he received in Tijuana. You know, we can't show it on air because, again, family show. But, you know, it's something that he's really proud of and he likes to make.

[Jack Posobiec]

Shakira did the Waka Waka song for the South Africa World Cup.

[Blake]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Jack Posobiec]

I. I know that song. It is a song I've listened to. I think it's kind of funny that they got Shakira to make their, like, Crypto Africa.

[Blake]

But everybody at least knows who Shakira is.

[Jack Posobiec]

You know, I didn't know that she was the Waka Waka singer until here's.

[Charlie Kirk]

Here's the thing. I brought this up on Piers Morgan this week because we got into it, and he was all. He was doing this whole, like. Well, you guys just did that because he's Hispanic. And I was like. And I was like, actually, no. People got mad at him because he was disrespecting the American people because he politicized things. And I can prove this. And he was like, okay, prove it. I said, all right.

[Jack Posobiec]

Is this.

[Charlie Kirk]

I was like, okay, is this the first time that Bad Bunny has performed at a Super Bowl? And everyone on the panel was like. I said, no, it's not the first time. It's the second time he's performed at the Super Bowl. Everybody forgets that when Shakira performed back in 2020, the guy who got up on stage to rap with her during the one Spanish song was actually Bad Bunny. And you know what? There was no, like, backlash. There was no controversy about it because he just stuck to music, and nobody really cared but obviously that was before this big push to politicize him and politicize everything and before he was being disrespectful to Americans and so he didn't get the headlines. He's an attention seeker. That's what all of this was about. So not about his music or his language. You know, I mean, a little bit about the language, but that's different. It was because of the disrespect. But again, like, Ricky Martin sang in Spanish and nobody cared because Ricky Martin's actually a good singer.

[Jack Posobiec]

So, yeah, I don't know any Ricky Martin songs. By the way, Zuzu Petals donated $2 and says they should have chosen Tito Puente for decent Latino music. I don't know who that is.

[Blake]

I have no idea what that is.

[Charlie Kirk]

Maybe is amazing. What are you talking about? He did the song when, when Mr. Burns died.

[Blake]

I don't know who titipuente is.

[Jack Posobiec]

Any of these, Jack.

[Blake]

I had a similar scenario happen where people were like, why are you guys doing this? And I was like, look, I could make an argument that it's, he's anti American, you know, he wants a bunch of foreigners in our country, yada, yada, yada, you know, dresses up like a transvestite in his music videos and anti President Trump, all these things. But ultimately, and I said this, there was like 20 people there. I said, ultimately. Let me ask you guys a question, open ended to everybody in this room. Can you name me one Bad Bunny song? Just one that's your favorite. And if you can, can you also name just one portion of the lyrics that you can sing? And not a single person in the room who is arguing against me could do that. I said, so maybe I can sing it.

[Charlie Kirk]

I can do. Okay, okay, okay, okay.

[Blake]

But look, that's the whole.

[Charlie Kirk]

Maybe we just did it because that's how people hear the song.

[Blake]

Yeah, maybe people don't know who he is and they, they're pretending they do.

[Charlie Kirk]

A bunch of people. I'm like, it's just funny because I feel like, you know, people are like, oh, like, obviously. I was like, you know, introing the halftime show for tpo, say, and then like had the tweets about it last year. But I was like, I was like, I feel like I actually know more about Bad Bunny than average person in this too. Because, yeah, I would be pointing out that the reason I knew about him before, it wasn't the Shakira thing. I had no idea I'd looked that up. But then I had. I, I, I knew that he Was they inserted him as this, the caddy, like, the sidekick character with this huge subplot in Happy Gilmore 2. And so when they did that, I was like, who's this random, like, Spanish character that they're adding? Like, why is he there instead of, you know, like, the actual cast of Happy Gilmore 1? And they're giving him all the screen time and, like, why is Netflix doing this? And then I found out it was Bad Bunny. It's like, oh, so that's, you know, another. Another corporate edition where they're trying to just, like, jam him, you know, into the whole thing. It was so ridiculous.

[Blake]

I think we have that clip.

[Jack Posobiec]

I think. Is it.

[Andrew Torba]

Is it loaded, guys?

[Blake]

Is it.

[Jack Posobiec]

It is not loaded. We're all dying to see this. I really want to see this, because I actually saw it, but I didn't listen to it kind of.

[Charlie Kirk]

I'm kidding you.

[Jack Posobiec]

I'm.

[Charlie Kirk]

I'm not even. That Tanya Tay has played this over and over. She thinks it's the funniest thing that she's ever heard. We'll be sitting. Because she was playing it, and I was like, oh, yeah, that's really funny. She was like, no, but you have to listen to it. I'm like, no, I actually heard it this morning. No, but you have to listen to it now. And then. And then I walked away, and I was, like, doing something in the other room, and I just hear. I just hear coming from her.

[Blake]

It's like she's just playing it over any place.

[Charlie Kirk]

It's loaded, racking up.

[Jack Posobiec]

All right, we've got it. We've got it. All right. Yeah, play 520 the English version.

[Translator/Voiceover]

Hey, so my aunts me, why so many girlfriends? Hey, a lot of girlfriends. Today I got one and tomorrow I got another one. But I never married. Yo, my auntie asked me why I got so many girlfriends. Hey, a lot of girlfriends. Today I got one and tomorrow got another one, man, I think I want to take them all to the vip to the vip hey, well, they can be my auntie I'm gonna take a selfie and say chees smile if they already been with me in the VIP in the VIP hey, we're going to take a selfie and say cheese. They can smile the ones that forgot about me, man, I like the Gabriellas and the Patricias and the Nicol and the Sopas My girl and Kender got Her name was Maria and my first love her name was this is just.

[Blake]

So low quality mute like any tiktoker who makes music could make Something just like that.

[Charlie Kirk]

Like, how is this any different from, like, a SoundCloud mumble rapper?

[Blake]

That's exactly what it is.

[Jack Posobiec]

It literally is. I like one of this. One of the tweets I saw during the super bowl was, if I was running for president of a Latin country, my platform would be to bring Latin music a second drum beat.

[Charlie Kirk]

Dang. Dang.

[Jack Posobiec]

And, you know, I thought that was just a funny joke. And then I looked it up. Latin drum beat. And there's literally a Wikipedia article for the drum beat that they use in, like, all Latin American music. It's called the Tresillo. And it's this sound thing, like kind of a kick, kick, snare kind of nice.

[Blake]

That's all Bad Bunny.

[Charlie Kirk]

I mean, it's. It's kind of true, I gotta say.

[Andrew Torba]

It's.

[Charlie Kirk]

It's just. It's just legit.

[Jack Posobiec]

I'm just. You want real thought, look at this.

[Charlie Kirk]

Incredible comment when Jack introduced the all American halftime show. He looks so good. Peak American and masculinity. Thank you, MK Brand 28. Wow. I completely agree.

[Jack Posobiec]

Wow, that's crazy. I didn't know Jack had a second account on Rumble.

[Charlie Kirk]

No, I'm not even signed in. I was literally just signing into the chat, and then they were also saying Wakanda is iconic and also that Shakira got in trouble for tax evasion. No. Pardon Shapiro. Shapiro. Pardon Shakira.

[Blake]

Pardon her. Pardon Shakira.

[Andrew Torba]

This is.

[Jack Posobiec]

We.

[Charlie Kirk]

We need alone.

[Blake]

Yes, this is good. We need to. JD needs to run on this. This is his one campaign, what he's running on. And I'm a one, one issue voter. Pardon Shakira.

[Jack Posobiec]

Really?

[Charlie Kirk]

She's not American. She's Colombian.

[Jack Posobiec]

You can still get pardoned. She can still get pardoned. If she was evading US taxes, she can still get imprisoned for invading US Taxes.

[Charlie Kirk]

We are not pardoning Maduro, though.

[Jack Posobiec]

You know what? I'm gonna. You know, that's gonna be the big issue with it because they talk about, like, Marco Rubio or, you know, someone challenging JD like, what if it just turns into the Shakira battle? And, like, one says death penalty for Shakira and the other says, pardon Shakira. And as a supporter of Western civilization's music, I think I would have to go with the death penalty for Shakira.

[Charlie Kirk]

Oh, wait, Zuzu's Petals is saying the tax evasion was in Spain, so.

[Blake]

Oh, we're fine.

[Jack Posobiec]

Spain has no legal right to anybody in America. Yeah, no, yeah, no, never mind. Okay, we should pardon her then.

[Blake]

Pardon her.

[Jack Posobiec]

President Trump should Pardon her for Spanish crimes. Kira lives.

[Blake]

So is she not allowed to step foot in Spain or she's arrested?

[Jack Posobiec]

I'm not sure.

[Charlie Kirk]

Well, they just. They just legalized all the 5, what, 500, 000 illegal aliens in Spain. So, you know, I. I guess you can just commit whatever crime you want.

[Jack Posobiec]

Guys, they got us. They got us. Another excellent clip of the halftime show. This is every time Bad Bunny says in the halftime show, let's play it 5, 21.

[Translator/Voiceover]

Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey.

[Jack Posobiec]

For those watching on podcast later, that was 51. Over the course of that, what, 20 minutes, actually.

[Charlie Kirk]

Impressive, because I think he was only on stage for like 14 minutes or something.

[Jack Posobiec]

That's a lot of that. So 51 divided by 14, that's almost. That's almost 4o a minute.

[Charlie Kirk]

Because they had to. They had to bring the whole set into the stadium during the half. So, you know, for every super bowl halftime, you have to set up because you can't play, you know, during the game. Right? So you can't set up during the game because the game's being played. So that setup and breakdown time goes into how long your performance is, where obviously we didn't have that issue because we were not in the middle of a football game. And so I think ours was probably twice as long as theirs, give or take, or maybe a little bit. I think they were like 14 minutes, and we were like 22 minutes. So not quite twice as long, but. But getting there. And, you know, I, you know, next year, I mean, gosh, the sky is the limit for next year. I've had people pitching like, you know, you guys could do an hour. You guys could do an entire day. And like, the finale is the halftime show. I mean, it's. It's. It's. It's kind of crazy what, you know, the, The. Because people have to understand. We had, like, we had three months, but it wasn't even really three months because we had am fest in the middle, and then we had Christmas and New Year's, and so it was really more like two months, you know, of time other than just reaching out to venues, casting that wide net. And look, we. We talked about this a little bit when I was on with Andrew, you know, before on Thought Crime. But we had a lot of pressure against us from, you know, elements of the industry, elements of, you know, different. Different. I think probably money and sponsors that were, you know, probably thinking, hey, if we support someone or work with someone who's going to be going up against the NFL, then that's like putting a black mark on us. So that's why for me, I just. I'm so grateful to all the musicians that came out and took the chance and, you know, Kid Rock as well for, you know, bringing his incredible star power. Brantley, Gilbert Lee, Bryce, Gabby Barrett, who's, you know, I think really become the breakout star of all this fellow Pennsylvanian like myself, by the way. And. Oh, by the way, that one of the controversies that. And Blake, I'm sure you've seen this. And as well as the number of like, there's like the ratings controversy, but the, the lip sync controversy. Have you guys seen that? They're accusing him of lip syn. Lip syncing.

[Blake]

Yeah, I saw that.

[Charlie Kirk]

Not true.

[Blake]

Not true, guys.

[Charlie Kirk]

Telling you, I was right there. He's. And, and I have footage from the set and I guess we have like master footage too that we could probably, you know, see if. If they really wanted us to like, go to that level, which is crazy. He's not lip syncing. It was. It was a sync issue on the stream. It was literally. We had so many people watching that it just. It was like, you know, just a glitch on the stream where everything was out of sync. The video and audio, which is.

[Jack Posobiec]

And also it's like, at least he can still. And as a result, it means he can still perform. Unlike. Have you ever heard Bad Bunny when his auto tune adjuster went out and he just.

[Charlie Kirk]

Is that true? I saw that one going around, but I didn't know if that was.

[Jack Posobiec]

That was a real incident.

[Blake]

That was true.

[Jack Posobiec]

Grox said it was real. And I've gotten lazy to the point.

[Blake]

Have I fallen victim to another fake?

[Jack Posobiec]

I mean, maybe it's fake, but I choose to believe it anyway.

[Blake]

That should be a thought crime topic.

[Jack Posobiec]

You want my thought crime? All this has taught me I'm ready for. I'm ready for my thought crime. Like there are not even. Not even just like Sweden itself, but like there are probably, I would say specific provinces of Sweden that have produced more good music than all of Latin America. And specific. Probably specific parts. Probably specific cities. Let's say specific cities in the uk Like Liverpool has produced more great music for humanity than every single city from Tijuana to Tierra del Fuego.

[Blake]

Can you name all?

[Charlie Kirk]

People are saying we need the All American pregame show for 2027 as well as the all American halftime show. We might even have to have like an all American festival or something. I don't know. The All American Music Festival.

[Blake]

I like this.

[Charlie Kirk]

This is a Good.

[Blake]

You guys have some good ideas.

[Charlie Kirk]

That was. No, we were, I was actually on with Tim Pool last night on his show and he was saying, guys, you could do it like with numbers like that, you could put on an entire day long festival. And here is, here is his idea, which was really good because one of the issues that we would have then if we were doing the live festival that way is we would also have that same issue of setup and breakdown between bands. But his idea was two stages, right? You do two stages. One, you know, one, like stage A, Stage B. Yeah. And then, you know, stage A has a band, they play whatever, blah, blah, blah. Then they go to break down and a band kicks off on stage B. So throughout the day you could have it switching back and forth and then there's no. It's, you know, it's just seamless.

[Blake]

I like this, I like this idea.

[Charlie Kirk]

So let's get. If you guys are in the chat, especially super chat, you know, who, who would you like to see one thing though, you know, ask us who'd you like to see it for next year, but at the same time and email 1776@human events.com or freedom of Charlie Kirk.com about who you'd like to see. But I will say though that this was definitely a crash course I think for, and a learning curve for a lot of us that it's not even up to the artists sometimes regarding songs regarding the rights, regarding like things they can do, people they can play with. There's so many contracts, there's so many labels, there's so many just different like layers of complexity to whether or not you can perform one of these things. Like we, we lost the X live stream just a couple of hours before we went live. And you know, I think though, in a, in a sense that that was actually kind of maybe a godsend. Like that was actually maybe part of God's plan. Because when we tweeted out that we lost X that drove more people to YouTube and rumble and perhaps we wouldn't have hit the record if that hadn't happened. You never know, right? Do we have Tyler? Do we.

[Jack Posobiec]

Yeah, we have Tyler. Tyler has, has shown up. We were discussing.

[Andrew Torba]

I gave my guys.

[Jack Posobiec]

We're still talking the halftime show. And we were talking. Here's the highlight so far. Bad Bunny about. He averages about four a minute during his super bowl show.

[Andrew Torba]

I'm not trying to be like Charlie Kirk here because Charlie would totally do this. He'd be like, what is this?

[Jack Posobiec]

Yeah, what is it?

[Andrew Torba]

He would have leaned like, wait. I legitimately went back and was watching it, and I was like, this is a very bad performance. I don't know. It's no question why people in the stands weren't moving at all. And I know we have to be careful. Exactly. We talk about this, but like, any. It reminded me a few years ago. I was watching it because, like, old school halftime shows were like. It was like Janet Jackson, someone big, like, middle of the stage. Like, everybody's into it, everything gets dark. I just was watching this whole thing. It was like. It was like bright lights because it was. The sun hadn't gone down, and it was just weird and awkward and like, nobody was feeling it.

[Blake]

Nope.

[Andrew Torba]

And they just have to be honest about it. You know, it's like no one was feeling it.

[Blake]

Nobody is feeling it.

[Andrew Torba]

And that's what I was nervous about was our all American halftime show. When we flipped over, I was worried that it would look like less. Like, less production quality than like, a multi. Like, tens of millions of dollars that they spend on normal halftime stuff.

[Jack Posobiec]

Yeah.

[Andrew Torba]

And it's like, no, ours actually looked way better.

[Blake]

Yes.

[Andrew Torba]

Ours looked more like a real halftime show. Like, so I. That's what everybody was saying was like. Everybody, like, felt. It felt normal.

[Jack Posobiec]

Yes.

[Andrew Torba]

It wasn't just that it felt American. It felt normal.

[Blake]

Normal, like what it's supposed to be.

[Andrew Torba]

Yeah.

[Charlie Kirk]

We actually have some B roll of this. Can we play clip 280, guys? And I think this will back up what Tyler's saying. So this is Amanda. Amanda Vance. And she's watching our halftime show while. At the actual halftime show, at the actual super.

[Andrew Torba]

And she's moving more than everybody else around.

[Charlie Kirk]

And look at all the people around her. Look at. And there's so many videos like this where it's going viral that people were just standing around totally disconnected. And, like, you can't even really see the show either. Like, Tyler. So this speaks to what you're saying that the people in the stands couldn't even tell what was going on down there because it just looks like this weird thicket of grasses. It looked like. No, it's like when the Velociraptors come out during Jurassic park and you just could see, like, the grass moving. Like, I don't know, like, that's. That's it.

[Andrew Torba]

And I. I have a piece of me that's like, I. I kind of appreciate a little bit hood rap music every once in a while. Like, I've, Like, I've. You know, again, I've been around for. I have friends that, like, that's, like, their music preference of choice. It's not mine.

[Charlie Kirk]

I have some black friends, but, like.

[Andrew Torba]

I've had a school, I've had a few, you know, friends. And so, like. Like, I can appreciate when music's good, right? Like, and it's a little bit too. This legitimately was not good.

[Blake]

No.

[Andrew Torba]

Like, it's like, I can't. I, like, it made me feel so much better. I was like, oh, this was, like, really justified what we did here.

[Jack Posobiec]

Tyler.

[Blake]

Tyler saying, I enjoy a little hood rat music every once in a while. It reminds me of the post Jackie put up the other day with you and James o'. Keefe. You're like, God forbid a couple white boys get a little groove. God forbid.

[Charlie Kirk]

God forbid a couple of white boys get a little motion.

[Jack Posobiec]

We don't.

[Charlie Kirk]

We don't. We could. We could play that if we want, because we went to Hispanic Prosperity Gala.

[Blake]

Yeah.

[Charlie Kirk]

Great time. And there was a singer, Nacho from Venezuela. He was phenomenal, and he was playing live, and he's got, like, you know, millions and millions of fans around the world. And it's like, this is music that has a beat, it's catchy, it's got a hook to it, it's got a chorus. He's like an actually talented singer. He's not a mumble rapper. I mean, I just understand where. Where people get around. They're saying mumbling is something that you want when it comes to. To music, where. Whereas what this was. And. And, yeah, Tyler, like, I guess the issue now is that they. They make these halftime shows. They did this last year as well, where they make it for the TV audience only, and they don't care about the audience that's actually there. So here's what makes fans. Yeah, it's. It's dumb because it's not the spectacle that you would expect. It's more like a TV show or like a music video kind of shoot. It's just not the big super bowl halftime spectacle that I think people are used to. You know, like a stage, dancers, fireworks, etc.

[Blake]

I'm very.

[Andrew Torba]

I'm upset. And I could be totally wrong about this. I could be misremembering, but this is how I felt. I felt like the. Like, the halftime show that was during the big game was always geared towards my parents.

[Blake]

Yeah.

[Andrew Torba]

When I was growing up, like, you're right. It was always geared towards my parents. And now I'm a parent and it's not geared towards me. It's geared towards international. International, like globalism yeah. And non American. Like non American. Truly. And again, I. Again, Puerto Rico's okay. Puerto Rico. Puerto Rican.

[Jack Posobiec]

He doesn't seem to think so. Yeah. Here's a thought crime.

[Andrew Torba]

He wasn't.

[Jack Posobiec]

Puerto Rico was America. Why did they have their flag next to the American flag at that show?

[Andrew Torba]

Here's the point. Puerto Rico's not a state, so it's not America. So that's number one. Number two is that Puerto Rico. The words in his songs are talking about women from lots of different countries he's using. He's appropriating his sub American culture as Puerto Rican to try and hook up with all these other South American and Central American women. It's in the words. It's right there in the words.

[Blake]

He's a colonization hooker upper.

[Andrew Torba]

That's right. He's colonizing.

[Charlie Kirk]

Wait, guys. Puerto Rican here to hear the translation. I think. I think we might have to go and play the translation for Tyler again just so that he knows what. What he's actually commenting on. I think. I think we have to hit it again.

[Blake]

It's high quality music.

[Jack Posobiec]

All right, play it again. English version.

[Translator/Voiceover]

All right. So my auntie asked me why I got so many girlfriends. Hey, a lot of girlfriends. Today I got one, and tomorrow I.

[Andrew Torba]

Actually watched this video over and over.

[Charlie Kirk]

This video is so I can.

[Andrew Torba]

I can get on board. If this guy would have performed in English.

[Blake]

I know.

[Andrew Torba]

I actually think people would have been moving people in the stands. You know what would have been funny? It would have been funny to put this guy. Our alternate halftime show should have been.

[Charlie Kirk]

This guy we can open for next year.

[Translator/Voiceover]

Wait, wait, wait. Can you imagine?

[Andrew Torba]

We have an all American halftime show and then we have an Americanized version of their halftime show. And then their halftime show next year.

[Jack Posobiec]

If they get like some like really awful like, like, like, like one of those, like, rappers who just raps about all the felonies he does. We do a version that's like same beat, but he's rapping about like all the community. Yeah. Like community service. Yeah. I roll into the club. I. I help out the homeless guys there.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah.

[Blake]

I go on the freeway and clean up trash.

[Jack Posobiec]

Yeah. I drive a Toyota Avalon. It's a responsible mid the soup kitchen. I get my oil changed every 3,000 kitchen.

[Charlie Kirk]

Coffee and donuts at the library. No drag queens.

[Jack Posobiec]

Jeez.

[Charlie Kirk]

So good.

[Jack Posobiec]

Yeah, I got five kids, all with.

[Blake]

My wife, all with one woman.

[Andrew Torba]

But that's.

[Jack Posobiec]

That.

[Charlie Kirk]

That's the old Chris Rock bit where he's like. He's like, I ain't never been to prison. To prison, to prison. He's like, you're not supposed to go to prison because I take care of my kids. You're not. You're supposed to take care of your kids. Like, why do you want credit for stuff you're supposed to do? It's back when Chris Rock was actually.

[Jack Posobiec]

Oh, we got another. We got another dono from Zuzu's petals. Five this time. Thank you very much, Zuzu. Remember when Whitney Houston sang the national anthem at the super bowl back when it was patriotic? No, I don't, because I believe I was 0 years old when that happened. But it is a great video. It's a great national anthem. And yes, that is. That's actually, like, iconic. It's iconic. It's about when I feel a Super bowl probably.

[Blake]

But guys, Charlie Puth did okay.

[Andrew Torba]

He did.

[Blake]

He did good.

[Andrew Torba]

He did a great job. Again, nobody. This is the sad part. Nobody's talking about that.

[Blake]

Nobody's talking.

[Andrew Torba]

Nobody's talking about that. He crushed the national anthem.

[Blake]

He really did.

[Jack Posobiec]

He did.

[Andrew Torba]

Yeah.

[Blake]

Yeah, he did.

[Andrew Torba]

Like, that's where America should be centering on, right? He's like, okay, maybe a guy, probably not a conservative, not, you know, whatever. Right. But crushes the national anthem. Wait, you weren't. You weren't alive in 1991. How old are you?

[Jack Posobiec]

Oh, I was alive. I was zero years old.

[Andrew Torba]

Oh, you were zero.

[Blake]

I was negative. Negative years.

[Andrew Torba]

Yeah, I was definitely alive. Jack and I.

[Jack Posobiec]

Were you even born when like 911 happened?

[Blake]

No.

[Andrew Torba]

Oh, my gosh.

[Jack Posobiec]

I will never see anyone weeks after. I will never see anyone born after 911 as an adult. Like, even when I'm 70 and there are like 60 year old post 9 11, they will still be children to me.

[Andrew Torba]

Yeah.

[Charlie Kirk]

My friend growing up just summarily reject it.

[Blake]

My friend growing up was born on 9 11.

[Jack Posobiec]

Oh, wow.

[Andrew Torba]

Oh, my God.

[Jack Posobiec]

So you're saying there's a connection?

[Blake]

Yeah.

[Jack Posobiec]

Yeah. Really suspicious. There's thousands of days he could have been born on and he was born on that day. Huh.

[Blake]

Really weird.

[Jack Posobiec]

Yeah, it's weird. I don't like it. Huh.

[Andrew Torba]

I've never heard a story of somebody that was supposed to go to work that day though there. That really birth. I've never heard that story. Yeah, I've heard a lot of stories. People that didn't go to work, but giving birth at it.

[Jack Posobiec]

Weird.

[Charlie Kirk]

All right.

[Jack Posobiec]

They didn't happen to give birth in like, ward seven of that hospital, did they?

[Charlie Kirk]

Oh, gosh, no. The weirdest 911 story I know. Not weirdest. But just like, I think most in a sense unique is I knew a guy who was in a motorcycle accident like the day before on 9 10, 2011, or excuse me, 2001. And I'm thinking 11. And so he was in like a medical coma on 9 11. And then he wakes up on 912 and is like, hey, so did I miss anything? And everyone's like. And they had to go to him and tell him and like, he didn't believe anyone, obviously. And then they show him the footage and he was like, there's no way, dude. But, but it was so weird because, like, he didn't have that emotional response to it because everyone else had gone through the trauma of that day and you know, not knowing whether or not, you know, something else. Like people. Everybody thought there was going to be more attacks, right? Everybody thought there was gonna be more going on, whereas he's just walking around seeing the flags everywhere, like, sort of confused about how that happened. It's kind of wild. Very, very like 28 days later, like the whole world changes and you wake up bizarre.

[Andrew Torba]

All right, what's our, what's our next topic?

[Jack Posobiec]

Alrighty. Well, we have a few options. We could talk. I really, like.

[Charlie Kirk]

I wanted to get Tyler's take on next year.

[Jack Posobiec]

No, no, no. I think Tyler's getting exhausted and we have to make sure we hit. Do you want to talk more about.

[Andrew Torba]

I already said what we want. Next year. Next year we go twice as three times, four times harder. Way, way more, way more awareness. I think you get a much bigger audience. I think it continues to grow. There's nothing here that says you should slow down. No, everything here says pedal to the metal, make it bigger, make it better. The logo's great, the branding was great. Everything worked.

[Blake]

Everything was great.

[Andrew Torba]

Everything was great. You have to do this bigger and better and you have to scare everybody because if you do it in enough advance now, now, I mean, again, like advertisers and things like that are really going to be, you know, twisting the screws here.

[Charlie Kirk]

So, yeah, I'll just say, Tyler, I don't know if you caught. I know we chatted a little bit, but if you go back and watch when I did Tim Cash last night, I mean, he was just, couldn't be more praiseworthy and he was like, just all in. Just all in. And I've heard from a lot of people, you know, who are, you know, other hosts of shows and different things where people are, people are just honestly shocked, just absolutely shocked that it was record breaking viewing.

[Andrew Torba]

Where can I can I.

[Charlie Kirk]

Can I speak quality?

[Andrew Torba]

Can I pump up Turning Point USA too? Again? I'm on the Turning Point action side. Please do. Turning Point usa. This was a Turning Point USA event. I got a lot of credit for doing nothing other than just helping organize years worth of Turning Point. But I did nothing with this. This was our entire team at Turning Point usa. The entire team at Turning Point usa. Lauren Tonsich's team, the events. Marina, who just had the baby days before in the entire media, I guess.

[Charlie Kirk]

We'Re talking about publicly now.

[Jack Posobiec]

Is it true that she named her baby All American Halftime show minus Kid Rock?

[Blake]

No, Kid Rock. It was Kid Rock.

[Jack Posobiec]

Yeah, yeah.

[Blake]

You're a little confused. She named it Mr. Kid Rock.

[Jack Posobiec]

They were like, there's one word or two.

[Andrew Torba]

I thought it was Benito.

[Jack Posobiec]

Kid Rock.

[Charlie Kirk]

Two first names. And she was like, yeah, you get a problem.

[Andrew Torba]

I thought it was Benito. Baby Bonita.

[Jack Posobiec]

Oh, wait, I got it right. No, I remember now. The full name was Kid Rock All American Halftime Show. Minas.

[Andrew Torba]

I thought it was Benita, Antonio.

[Jack Posobiec]

Whatever.

[Andrew Torba]

Bad Bunnies. Full names.

[Blake]

Maybe we're just not remembering.

[Andrew Torba]

No, but all of the good people. But here's the point. I was. I was getting around to making Turning Point USA could have probably raised and charged millions and millions of dollars to do a bunch of ads, sponsorships, all that stuff, and intentionally did not do that. This was a. Did not make any kind of revenue. They did not turn this into a revenue thing when it was very clear that this could be easily be a revenue thing. Because that wasn't what the purpose was. The purpose of this was to live up to the expectations. Things that Charlie. Jack, you had. You had verbalized this very well. Things that Charlie had said that really bothered him that he would want to see done and make it really cleanly. Just about that. Just about giving Americans alternative in the first place.

[Charlie Kirk]

That's what I was thinking of. Like, I just had.

[Andrew Torba]

So I apologize.

[Charlie Kirk]

Like, I could hear Charlie in my head just going off just the way he had all the years prior to. And you know, we had joked about maybe doing something like this, and I just. I just kind of typed it up and tweet went the way it went. And then we talked about it on the show and that. That went pretty on. On this show right here on Thaw Crime. And that went. That's super viral too. And yeah, but.

[Andrew Torba]

But here's the point is that people looked at this and went like, you guys would be crazy not to monetize this or do things or raise money for Turning Point that that would go back to the. The 501C3 to help operations do all that. But this was so much bigger than that.

[Jack Posobiec]

Yes.

[Blake]

Culturally.

[Andrew Torba]

And so for anybody that's like, looks at this and goes, oh, you know, turning point's trying to just raise money all the time. It's like, no, guys, like the biggest things that we.

[Charlie Kirk]

There was no lower third with the QR code and all that.

[Andrew Torba]

There was nothing. This was cleanly just give Americans an alternative and prove a point. And they did that. The entire team did that. I thought that was really classy. I thought that was. Was really important that nobody felt like they were being. Nobody looked at this as like, oh, well, this is just another play. And I saw a few people that.

[Charlie Kirk]

No hard sales.

[Andrew Torba]

A lot of haters that were like these people that are like, oh, well, yeah, I didn't follow that, buddy. But I don't watch that either.

[Charlie Kirk]

Because although Tyler, you did have an idea, and perhaps we should still do it of doing like maybe like a T shirt or something like, like make it like a concert shirt that people could get a TPUSA shirt where it's got like the, you know, the bands, the ax on the front and then on the back it's got like the, you know, like, like a classic T shirt. Like a list of. Of everyone who performed and you could have like I, you know, the all American halftime show and then put the year. And then every year we could do a new shirt.

[Andrew Torba]

Yeah, I still think we need a shirt that says I switched the channel on whatever last Sunday was.

[Charlie Kirk]

Put that on the back. I switched the channel or whatever. Yeah.

[Andrew Torba]

Now Boomers would love that.

[Charlie Kirk]

Boomers would definitely love that.

[Andrew Torba]

Boomers would love a shirt. They would wear a T shirt to Home Depot. That was like, I switched the channel and then like, like walking around, you.

[Charlie Kirk]

Know, like, Tyler, don't you mean like a true man?

[Andrew Torba]

A true man doesn't get a car. So you have like light bulbs in one arm, you're gonna drop them and like you're getting like packs of screws and other hands and you got like a two random two by four and you're like trying to keep your pants up and you're walking around Home Depot.

[Jack Posobiec]

I don't think our guys have trouble with their pants fitting.

[Andrew Torba]

No, no, no. You watch Home Depot. There's no man gets ready and goes to Home Depot and remembers to put on a belt. Watch. Just watch. I do this. I know. Cause I'm a dad. This is what happens. And you're like walking around you got your arms full. And then guys are just high fiving each other. Cause like, I love your shirt every time. Go wear a Turning Point shirt.

[Blake]

That's your channel too.

[Andrew Torba]

Go wear a Turning Point shirt to Home Depot on any. You will get high fives.

[Jack Posobiec]

Yeah.

[Andrew Torba]

All over that store.

[Jack Posobiec]

We got another message from Zuzu. She says that many songs sang in the All American halftime show went top 10 on iTunes. That could be part of it. You just like, you make it the symbolic thing. Every song that's performed, just make it 1 through 10 on. I like that itunes or on Spotify or whatever app they'll be listening to music on by that time anyway.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah, I love hearing them too, because by the way, and this is something that. Okay, I do have, like, like, so there were. There's this argument that keeps getting made about like the ratings and all the rest, and everyone's always like, oh, well, you guys didn't beat the Super Bowl. Like, we never said we're going to beat the Super Bowl. We said we were going to do something that would. That would rival, that would take a chunk away, etc. Which we did, obviously. But then when you look at all of those sort of ephemeral cases of, okay, well, what are other data points we can look at to see what the impact was? And again, it's Kid Rock on the top of the US Charts. Gabby Barrett was right there, like number four, number five, a couple of songs up because she was such a breakout star in terms of this, by the way. 25 years old, married at 19, three kids already. I mean, like, that's. That's the Charlie Kirk, you know that. That is the Charlie Kirk motto. Get married, have kids, be successful. She. She's doing it. What an incredible star. Great person to work with. Like, super down to earth. Like, like, literally one of the nicest people I've ever met. Not like the diva that. You know, people seem to think that, like all musician, you know, musical acts are going to be. And. But then the way the Nielsen ratings get cut, get compute computed, that's like, I feel like Tyler. I kind of feel like they're. They're, you know, it's. They're doing this apples to oranges thing because our streaming numbers are based off of devices. So the number of TVs, the number of screens, the number of. The number of accounts, whatever. But Nielsen, they don't do households. They do the household number and then they multiply it by three. Right. Did you guys know this?

[Andrew Torba]

Yeah, yeah, it's. It's I've seen everything from 2.4 to 3.4. Yeah, right.

[Charlie Kirk]

So, like, rightfully so. Like, I think that's true, though, because, you know, most people don't watch the super bowl alone. You're probably going to be in a room with like a number of people. So you average that out and you say like, okay, well take, take some multiple and call it okay, it's three. So if you had 50 million households, they'll say it was 150 million. Right. Just to use that. But they don't do that to our numbers. Right? For our numbers, it's. It's only what goes by device. So they'll say, oh, well, you had 25 million. Like, well, if we used your metric, then wouldn't it be 75 million? Right? Or if we had 30 million, would it be 90 million? Because they, we don't do that with our numbers. I'm like, that's. And I just don't think that's true.

[Andrew Torba]

I mean, here's the reality.

[Charlie Kirk]

When I watched it, I was in a room with like 30 people.

[Andrew Torba]

Here's the reality. The numbers are much bigger than what people were trying to report it as. Right? Because when you actually start calculating the number of views with that metric, because I have friends that are in the marketing world that have put on these types of events that have done ads on the big game days, and he told me specifically because he's funded these entire big ads, that the conservative estimates of 2.4 multiplier and views realistically, it's probably closer to like three to four person. So, I mean, we're talking, I mean, we're talking, if that's the case, we're talking that there's a real possibility that this production took like, literally half the viewership.

[Charlie Kirk]

We, I mean, it totally broke containment. It's crazy. It really did. And that's, that's how, you know, God was involved. That's how, you know it's. It's God. Because this was not us.

[Andrew Torba]

This was being brought up biggest events outside of the big game. Like, the biggest events like there on tv. Like, you know, Dancing with the Stars and American Idol and all those things. Those things get like 5, 6, 7 million views. Like, we're talking like, this was probably like five to eight times bigger than that as a brand, as an outside organization with no capitalization from the major media networks. Like, that's insane, guys. Like, it just doesn't happen. So anyways, we could talk about it for hours.

[Charlie Kirk]

House, by the way.

[Andrew Torba]

Quickly.

[Jack Posobiec]

Yeah.

[Charlie Kirk]

With the same team that we used to do the events. It wasn't like some. We had some, like, extra director coming in or like, anything like that. Like, literally the same team.

[Andrew Torba]

I saw people. Somebody call me. I won't say who it was, but they're an important person and they're like. After watching what the Turning Point team was able to do with Charlie's memorial, which was like, you have to believe that that was God's hand just making that, you know, successful because it was so huge and so many people and it was so hard to do so quickly and everybody was so emotional during that time. But, like, watching everybody pull together and do this thing, then too, people are like, wow, this is actually like a very scary unit here that we're up against.

[Blake]

Yeah.

[Andrew Torba]

And what scares people even more is when they start realizing. The funny part is I can understand now why there's conspiracy theories that think that we have all this support from, like, places that we don't. Because it almost is. It doesn't make sense how capable this team is. Does that make sense? Like, so I actually.

[Charlie Kirk]

They were. People were saying that it was botted. And I'm like, okay, if that's botted traffic, then you guys do it, right? You guys. You guys just go buy a bunch of bots and run a live stream and see if you get, you know, number one US live stream of all time. Go right ahead.

[Andrew Torba]

The most powerful company in this world is getting bought in. Yeah. I can promise you something. I can promise you the most powerful company in this world is not thrilled about Turning Point USA having the number one streamed event ever in American history. I just. I'm gonna promise you they did not see that coming. And that's the whole funny part about this whole thing. This is a sneak attack, this whole thing. If they would have had more time, they would have figured out how to stop us. I'm telling you, this is a company just five years ago that was kicking all of us off the Internet.

[Charlie Kirk]

They didn't see it coming at.

[Andrew Torba]

This company was kicking us off the Internet and demonetizing every single one of us.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yep.

[Andrew Torba]

And, like, by name. Sending lobbyists into Washington D.C. to, to work with their tech friends to debank us. I mean, I'm telling you, this is literally. These are not anyone's friends here at Turning Point usa. No one.

[Charlie Kirk]

And. And kudos. And by the way, shout out, of course, to the Rumble team as well for just. Just being there, being so supportive. Chris Pavlovski, he and I were chatting, like, right before it went live. And Talking about how he was going to see it. And then I did a little bit of the RAV pre show and I was just looking at the Rumble numbers and that was sort of the first indication that I had. I was like, wait a minute. Like this, this isn't just big, this is. This is way beyond anything that even we were projecting.

[Andrew Torba]

Well, it's like, yeah, to your point.

[Charlie Kirk]

Here, at least officially, I will say though, that. And Andrew's not here, but he and I had like a phone call that morning and we were like, could you imagine if we get to like we were like, could you imagine if we get to 10 million? Wow, that'd be crazy.

[Andrew Torba]

And to, to your point with Chris and, and again, kudos to Rumble. If it wasn't for Rumble, we may not be here today for those numbers to exist. Yeah, no, you see what I'm saying? Like, like Rumble was the. Rumble was a huge portion of what made a lot of this possible. And it's not just that that one provider, there's all these other providers that were out there, all of the major mainstream networks. Rumble helped reset everything because they had competition. Rumble is massive now. And if they don't compete, then Rumble gets all of that business right today.

[Charlie Kirk]

So that was even before Elon got X. That was even before Elon came in for X. Chris was there for.

[Andrew Torba]

Yeah, it was all Chris. It was Rumble. It was the entire team at Rumble. So we're very, very grateful because Rumble is the unsung hero in most of Americans being able to consume even middle of the road content now. Because Rumble exists.

[Blake]

Yep.

[Charlie Kirk]

It's just such a perfect storm. That's the phrase that I keep just rattling through my head. It was just, it was just the perfect storm between all the years of pent up demand. Just for which by the way, country music in and of itself, it is the most listened to genre of music in the country. It is the most purchased genre of music. It is the gets the most attendance. If you go state by state, it is the number one genre in America. And yet for 30 years there has not been a headliner of country music at the Super Bowl. For 23 years, there's not been a single country artist in Shania Twain. Rock music as well has been completely shunted off for 16 years. I looked up a bunch of this stuff and it's like you guys are just cutting off this massive market demographic market which is, you know, very, very obviously the same demographics of people who watch the NFL and in many cases are the people who vote for Donald Trump.

[Andrew Torba]

Well, what's. What's so offensive about all that? Like, they exploited Hank Williams Jr. For years with his theme, the Monday Night Football theme song. So every football theme song that's existed for, like, Sunday Night Football and Monday Night Football has always been country. This is what's so offensive about this entire thing. And again, I'm not even a country guy. I have a lot of family members.

[Blake]

Yeah.

[Andrew Torba]

I don't think. But I'm not even a country guy. But I will come to the defensive country they've exploited for marketing purposes. Right. Country music and country music listeners for football. And then when it comes to halftime, to promote some kind of value system, they will never go to country. And you have to ask. I mean, that's clearly an agenda. Right. It's like they're using when they have the eyeballs to try to push a narrative or a specific type of culture to American citizens. But then when they need to actually sell something, what do they go to? Hank Williams Jr. And Shania Twain and drag.

[Jack Posobiec]

Like some. Drag some boomer artifact out from the 60s.

[Andrew Torba]

Yeah.

[Jack Posobiec]

You know, like, let's get another who song that we use to market CSI episodes.

[Andrew Torba]

It was. And then Hank. After Hank Williams, then they. I mean, it's everybody. Everyone. When everyone thinks of Monday Night Football, you think of Hank William Williams Jr. As well.

[Charlie Kirk]

Did you hear. So don't forget, they canceled Hank Williams Jr. And I was. So I was on Glenn Beck this week, and he told me the backstory that Hank Williams Jr. Was listening to Glenn Beck. That's how he found out he got canceled. They didn't even call him. Like, the NFL didn't even reach out to him directly. And he was listening to Glenn, and he had these. And this is the story that Glenn told me, that he had these 10 Monday Night Football guitars, like, acoustic guitars in his house. And he got so mad and so upset at the way that they treated him that he smashed them. He was just grabbing them and smashing them and smashing them and smashing them. And he finally came to the very last one, and he stopped himself and he said, I'm not going to smash this. I'm going to give it to Glenn Beck. And that way, at least one of them. And he has it in, like, that museum that Glenn has. And.

[Andrew Torba]

And.

[Charlie Kirk]

And I said, wait a minute. So he. He doesn't have any of the good. He doesn't have a single one in his house anymore. Not a single one in his possession. He's like, I'm cutting them out like a cancer. This is Wild.

[Jack Posobiec]

Wow.

[Charlie Kirk]

But that's story. That's the anger that led to the pent up demand. That's the anger of middle America. That's the anger of the average American who just wants to be able to turn on something that isn't disrespecting them for being an American, for liking his country, for caring about Jesus Christ, for saluting the red, white and blue that this. So many people have been crapped on for years just because, oh, you know, you do some, you're some redneck American and it's like, no, actually that's like a huge, massive chunk of this country. And you know what? That anger, I think turned and, and God used all of that, that, to turn it into something positive, which led to. And we haven't really talked about that much yet, but the like Kid Rock sharing the gospel and his own salvation story, which is just, Just crazy when you think of like the Kid Rock when we first met him, to who he is today.

[Jack Posobiec]

All right, well, we have a lot of ideas for next year and I'm sure we'll. We'll keep getting a lot. I, I think no topic in the last four months or so has inspired more emails than just the idea of this.

[Andrew Torba]

Yeah.

[Jack Posobiec]

Of the halftime show. Like, and over time too. We got a huge wave when the idea first came out when it was announced. But then just every single day, people would come in with new ideas. They had a lot of acts they liked. And then, you know, when we had that silent period every day, it was like a drum beat, like, what's the information? Where do we watch it? And then another wave. And then a ton of people email during the show immediately after it. It is a topic that arouses a lot of passion. People love to go on apps and watch people play music. What can we say? Especially if it likes America. And if the alternative is a guy.

[Charlie Kirk]

Going, oi, oi, oi, oi, oi.

[Jack Posobiec]

I got girlfriends.

[Charlie Kirk]

Is that bad bunny?

[Jack Posobiec]

Was that kind of sounded like Jack doing a bad bunny impression?

[Charlie Kirk]

No, that was the English guy.

[Jack Posobiec]

Oh, really? Okay.

[Andrew Torba]

Yeah, that was. Oh, wait, that was Ruben Gallego.

[Blake]

Where's my auntie? She asked me why. For some of the girlfriends, dude, Ruben Gallego did an excellent job at the halftime show.

[Andrew Torba]

Reuben Gallego was over there. Like, he was. He was tweeting all about it the entire time. It's like, oh, man, I can't wait to use that.

[Jack Posobiec]

My culture. Nobody has ever like, it speaks to my culture the way my culture does.

[Andrew Torba]

Reuben, you're Mexican, you're Not Puerto Rican. Like, every day, somebody tell Reuben he's not Puerto Rican. Okay, what's next?

[Jack Posobiec]

No, we have to have a heart out now. We've got a bail.

[Andrew Torba]

Oh, we can't go reluded.

[Jack Posobiec]

No, no. Gotta bail.

[Andrew Torba]

Dang, man.

[Jack Posobiec]

Tragedy has set upon us. You guys have. You guys got really mired in that. We told you we had to get to the others, but what.

[Charlie Kirk]

I'll have to push this next week.

[Jack Posobiec]

Maybe we'll see it.

[Charlie Kirk]

It is. I mean, I think it legitimately was just. And look, that halftime show, the genesis of that was in many ways, thought crime, because this is where we would talk about halftime shows with Charlie. This is where we would hash things out. This is where, you know, we really kind of came up with the genesis that led to the show. And you look at it. Number one US stream on YouTube of all time. However, number two worldwide. Wait, just real quick, before we go, did you guys. Did anyone see what was the actual number one worldwide?

[Jack Posobiec]

It was some, like, Indian space landing, wasn't it?

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah. So it was when India landed a lunar probe on the moon. And so.

[Andrew Torba]

So.

[Charlie Kirk]

So hold on, guys. I. I've got this figured out. I've got this figured out. So if next year, if we want to beat it, I already know what the venue is. Call up Elon Musk, we're gonna do it on the moon, and then we're gonna invite Modi there. So, you know, whatever portion of the 1.8 billion in the subcontinent are gonna watch, tune in. This is how we do it. This is how we do it.

[Blake]

That would be amazing.

[Charlie Kirk]

I want.

[Andrew Torba]

I want to get. But Elon's dream is to be doing stuff on Mars, so we got to do Mars stuff.

[Blake]

Halftime show on Mars.

[Charlie Kirk]

Tyler, the moon is on the way. Okay. Is it.

[Blake]

Wait, can we play that Indian music again?

[Jack Posobiec]

We can do it. We can do it as we close out. We can do it as we close out.

[Charlie Kirk]

No, no. We got to close out on vip. We got to close out on vip.

[Blake]

Good to see you all. Modi on Mars.

[Charlie Kirk]

Oh, my gosh.

[Blake]

That could be a great.

[Charlie Kirk]

I could keep going, but. But unfortunately. Unfortunately, that is all the time we have for the criminality, the cognitive criminality on this Thursday. So to everyone out there, thank you. Thank you to God, thank you to Jesus, thank you to the Holy Spirit. We're. We continue to be humbled by God's grace. And I hope Charlie was up there looking down, saying, guys, did good.

[Andrew Torba]

Did so.

[Charlie Kirk]

Ladies and gentlemen, as always, go out there and commit more thought crime. Thought crime is death.