THOUGHTCRIME Ep. 122 — Would You Rather? Musical IQ? 40-Year Single Parties?

Summary

Human Events Daily with Jack Posobiec

Thoughtcrime Ep. 122 — Would You Rather? Musical IQ? 40-Year Single Parties?

Date: April 11, 2026
Host: Jack Posobiec
Panelists: Blake, Charlie, Tyler, Andrew

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Episode Overview

This lively episode of Thoughtcrime showcases the signature irreverent, banter-filled style of Jack Posobiec and his recurring guests. The conversation ricochets from cultural memes and musical tastes to social shifts, including a satirical dissection of self-marriage parties and the state of Western traditions. Underpinning the humor are pointed critiques of contemporary trends, backed by a mix of pop culture references and pointed opinion about the direction of both American and Western societies.

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Key Discussion Points & Highlights

1. Intro & Thoughtcrime Banter (00:00 – 03:00)

• The team jokes about “thought crimes” and their prevalence in society, employing running gags about being “pagan” and their own idiosyncrasies.
• Tyler’s chronic tardiness is playfully attributed to “Mormon time,” setting an irreverent, tongue-in-cheek tone.

Quote:
"Yes, thought crimes are abundant...whether you go online, offline, wherever you go, you may run into a thought crime." — Blake (00:09)

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2. Japan, Culture, and American Alliances (03:00 – 08:20)

• The panel discusses fond experiences in Japan, noting the nation's cleanliness, social order, and high number of Twitter users, drawing comparisons with South Korea and China.
• Commentary on US-Japan relations, social media "bromance," and the potential for remilitarizing Japan.

Quote:
"It’s so safe that they let their kids just ride mass transit to like go to school by themselves… It’s just very neat and orderly." — Blake (04:06)

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3. Kanye West Banned from the UK; Music, Race and Identity (09:20 – 17:20)

• News: UK bans Kanye West (“Ye”) from entry, sparking debate on celebrity influence, music censorship, and double standards.
• The panel critiques why Kanye’s statements receive so much attention ("Is that the real thought crime? Like, why do people care what Kanye West has to say?" — Jack, 12:41).
• Discussion of iconic stages, music video parodies, and the racial makeup of Kanye’s recent concert crowds.
• Comparisons between Kanye’s controversies and the Beatles’ historic provocations, with reflections on how government has historically targeted artists.
• A foray into Beatles urban legends, notably the “Paul is dead” conspiracy.

Memorable Moment:
"I don't know why we're supposed to care that much about what Kanye west says. Rap is not really music...it’s just barely a step above a crazy guy on the subway saying insane things." — Jack (12:28)

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4. The Beatles, Culture Wars, and Music’s Societal Role (17:21 – 27:36)

• Spirited debate on the cultural impact of the Beatles, with Charlie criticizing their influence (“The Beatles did so much damage to American youth…” — 22:32).
• “Paul is Dead” and other legends are dissected in detail, with tongue-in-cheek scholarship.
• Interconnection of music, counterculture movements (especially hippies and Lord of the Rings), and critiques of modern fandoms.

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5. Musical IQ: Does Your Band Choice Reflect Intelligence? (28:40 – 36:45)

• The panel examines a viral chart showing SAT scores correlated with listeners’ favorite bands/artists.
• Satirical ranking of panelists’ own top five bands; discussion of generational taste and the “smartest” and “dumbest” musical genres/artists.
• Notably high SAT: Beethoven; notably low: Lil Wayne.
• Mock surprise: “Megadeth” overtakes Beethoven for “No. 1 IQ Band” in a new “study.”

Quote:
"The answer is…the science is settled: 150% Yes. Your favorite band reveals how smart you are." — Jack (28:56)

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6. Music Structure, Complexity, and Modernity (43:19 – 47:06)

• The group laments contemporary music’s loss of complexity, blaming AI, technological simplification, and cultural dumbing-down.
• Examples of more complex “classic” tracks: “The Chain” by Fleetwood Mac, Bohemian Rhapsody by Queen, Bob Dylan’s catalog.

Quote:
"They compress all their music. Music is very refined and simplified. It’s almost like it’s what they do with drugs or fast food…" — Jack (43:41)

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7. Wedding Songs and 40-Year-Old Single Parties (47:19 – 57:03)

• Panelists share their wedding first-dance songs. This segues to a new social trend: elaborate “wedding-style” birthday parties for single women turning 40.
• The panel views this with a combination of bewilderment and criticism, seeing it as symptomatic of narcissism, spiritual emptiness, and a breakdown of societal tradition.

Notable Moment:
"...it’s like there’s no unity. There’s no union at the part of this other than like you and yourself." — Blake (52:37)

• They connect this trend to other cultural “infantilizations,” like Disney adults:
  "It feels very similar to also the Disney adult thing…now they're fulfilling out this like fantasy of being a kid…" — Charlie (54:13)

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8. Cultural Trends: Surrogacy, IVF, and the Disintegration of Family Structures (62:19 – 65:29)

• Analysis of Catholic (and broader religious) opposition to surrogacy and IVF, as examples of shifting, and in their view, morally fraught modern approaches to family.

Quote:
"Catholics strictly oppose all forms of surrogacy, using it as a grave violation of human dignity, the integrity of marriage and the procreation process." — Blake (63:32)

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9. Bathhouses, Gay Subculture, and Minneapolis Policy Changes (67:57 – 74:18)

• Surprisingly detailed, if irreverent, discussion of Minneapolis considering reinstating gay bathhouses after a 40-year ban.
• Deeper digression on public health, cultural stigma, and government spending on HIV prevention among high-risk groups.

Quote:
"Yes, because, you know, they're, they're prone to getting a lot of diseases and, you know, we wouldn't want them to get diseases. So we'll just chip away at our antibiotic resistance so they can keep going to clubs." — Jack (71:29)

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10. Would You Rather? Thought Experiments (75:01 – End)

• The pod closes with a series of provocative “Would You Rather” scenarios, sourced both from the panel and the audience, tying back to earlier topics:
  • Attend a Minneapolis bathhouse or a 40-year-old’s single-woman wedding party? (76:01)
  • Which is preferable: a “loose” daughter or “loser” son? (76:17)
  • Marry a Muslim or become a single mom with multiple baby daddies? (78:12)
  • Would you rather eliminate a hated music genre or get a perfect new album from your favorite band? (80:36)
• Audience is invited to submit future hypotheticals.

Quote:
"Would you rather get every single quarter anywhere in the world that's put into a Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles arcade game…or would you rather have the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles be real?" — Jack (84:08)

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Memorable Quotes and Moments by Segment

Japan & Culture

• "Japan is incredibly so… the trash can thing… they don’t exist." — Blake (06:07)

Music IQ

• "Super Beyonce is for dumb. It’s confirmed." — Jack (32:11)

Single Parties

• "All I know is that there's something about this that I find a little bit like disrespectful. It's almost sacrilegious…” — Tyler (53:34)

Would You Rather

• "The loser son, the fail son can be fixed. I mean, look at Tyler—he's come so far." — Blake (78:08)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• 00:00 – 03:00: Cold open, team banter
• 04:00 – 08:20: Japan, culture, and safety
• 09:20 – 17:20: Kanye West and the UK ban; pop culture relevance
• 17:21 – 27:36: Beatles history, “Paul is Dead,” counterculture discussions
• 28:40 – 36:45: Musical IQ, chart discussion, panel lists
• 43:19 – 47:06: Complexity in modern vs. classic music
• 47:19 – 57:03: Wedding songs, single-party trend, social critique
• 62:19 – 65:29: Surrogacy, IVF, and Catholic doctrine
• 67:57 – 74:18: Bathhouses, HIV, and public health commentary
• 75:01 – End: Would You Rather? segment, audience interaction

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Tone & Style

The tone remains jocular, iconoclastic, and provocative throughout. The hosts riff off one another with a mix of satire, cultural criticism, and genuine debate. Their humor is at times irreverent and intentionally flirtatious with “politically incorrect” territory, but reflects a distinct skeptical-conservative perspective on modern culture.

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Takeaway

This episode offers a whirlwind tour through the culture wars, using music, viral trends, and "thoughtcrime" scenarios as a lens to satirize and skewer what the hosts see as the absurdity and decadence of contemporary Western culture. Underneath the jokes and memes, however, are serious questions about identity, tradition, community, and the future direction of civilization.

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End of summary.

Transcript

[Jack]

From the age of Big Brother.

[Blake]

If they want to get you, they'll get you.

[Charlie]

The NSA specifically targets the communications of everyone.

[Blake]

They're collecting your communications. Well, ladies and gentlemen, we are back. It's time for another Thursday edition of Thursday. Thought crime. And there are so many thought crimes. Yes, thought crimes are abundant around in our society, in our world, Online, offline, wherever you go, you may run into a thought crime. And in fact, when you're getting money out of an ATM late at night in inner city Philadelphia, look over your shoulder because there might be a thought crime creeping up behind you. Yes. So who we got on deck today? I am of course in studio, but it looks like we got AK47 himself, Andrew Colvat. What's up, Andrew?

[Tyler]

What's up, Jack? How's the weather back?

[Jack]

Yeah, we're waiting on Tyler.

[Blake]

Allegedly. Tyler. Tyler is joining Tyler's coming party as usual.

[Tyler]

He. He claims he's coming.

[Blake]

He's on, he's on what we call Mormon time. Okay. And it's a little, a little bit different than, you know, regular time. The same reason that, you know, they don't go for daylight savings. They have different numerology. It's, it's. It's one of those things, right, Blake?

[Jack]

Pretty much, yeah. He always, he always leaves us on our toes. You never know when he'll. He'll surface.

[Tyler]

Yeah, well, like, Jesus, he could be

[Jack]

right behind me right now.

[Tyler]

Team.

[Blake]

He's like a thought crime.

[Tyler]

The team is ready for him when he enters. Let me just assure.

[Blake]

You know, they say, you know, they say that 13% of thought crimes cause 50% of all the thought crimes.

[Jack]

What?

[Tyler]

You know, it's funny. 13% of the time, they work every time. So, Jack, you know, it's funny that you actually are on to something. Probably about 13% of the thought crimes that we do on this show end up going viral in one way shape or another.

[Jack]

But more. 50% of that involved Lord of the Rings,

[Tyler]

Jack.

[Charlie]

Right, about that.

[Blake]

Still pagan.

[Tyler]

Still overtly pagan. Don't. Wait, don't we have the line

[Blake]

overtly pagan.

[Tyler]

See there, Overly pagan.

[Blake]

That's becoming like a meme now. Every time I post something, they're like, oh, Jack, is that overtly pagan too? Because I was like, I went to see like the, the. Actually I have it here. This isn't branded, but I went to see the Super Mario Galaxy with my kids. Is that pagan the thing? And they're like, they're like Super Mario Galaxy. Overtly pagan.

[Jack]

I mean, is Super Mario Galaxy. Is it pagan I feel like it's got to be right. Yeah, it is.

[Blake]

No, absolutely. Obviously. I mean, it's got turtle wizards.

[Tyler]

I'm on. I'm on a set with two Catholics right now. You guys have me beat on the identifying of Pagan.

[Jack]

On the other hand, Mario is Italian and I feel like him being Italian implicitly means well, so actually.

[Tyler]

Here we go.

[Blake]

Wait, so this is. Wait, no, there's actually a great line about this because the Legend of Zelda. So, you know, link. The main character in Legend of Zelda, everyone thinks his name is Zelda, but it's not. It's actually linked to that. If you go back, I think in the Japanese versions of like the original Legend of Zelda, he. He is like explicitly Catholic and they've got like crosses and on his shield and there's like bibles. But it's like the Japanese version of the Middle Ages. So it's like, it's. It's like he has actual magical powers and abilities as well. And then in the American version, they changed it up.

[Jack]

Yeah, they do. Oh, they. They definitely have. There's a. Did you ever play Castlevania back in the day?

[Tyler]

I feel that one. I.

[Jack]

That's where. And you fight Dracula. And in. In the manual, it is. It is canonical in the manual that the Pope called a crusade against Dracula. And that's why you have to go kill Dracula. Wow. Because the Pope ordered you to do it.

[Tyler]

You know, we really didn't talk enough on this show about because I think we covered in the Daily show, but the. The Japanese American connection, how strong it is.

[Jack]

Oh, it's great. We love it.

[Tyler]

Gave us the, like the. The Twitter purge. We all love.

[Jack]

We love our Japanese.

[Charlie]

Good.

[Tyler]

Yeah. I. So I have a. I need to go to Japan. You've been to Japan?

[Jack]

Yes, I have.

[Tyler]

You went with Charlie. But I. I have not gone to Japan.

[Blake]

Oh, you're very.

[Jack]

Go to a place.

[Blake]

Wow.

[Tyler]

I think I feel like I like really want to though now. Actually. I bet I was in.

[Blake]

When I was in 7th Fleet. You know, Japan obviously was like our headquarters. So anything that was, you know, like conference wise or that I had to go to for whatever reason would be in Yokosuka. So, you know, you're coming up, you're flying through Tokyo and I mean, it's just the. I'll never forget, you know, just riding around on the metro in Japan and seeing how kids. It's so safe that they let their kids just ride mass transit to like go to school by themselves. Like, there you go. And it's like. And it's kind of jarring at first. You're like, where are the parents for these children? And they're just, like, you know, dressed for school. And they're going like little kids. And they're just like, dressed for school and with their uniforms. Then off they go. And it's. It's very. It's just very neat and orderly.

[Tyler]

I remember that was some of Charlie's selfie videos and, like, social media videos, but that was actually. I remember him saying that about South Korea.

[Jack]

Actually, South Korea was the one where he was walking. I mean, that was where he walks through the park and the people are on, like, the bubble chairs. And those would obviously be, like, covered

[Tyler]

with graffiti, which is sad. We don't have to live this way. But we've decided to import a permanent underclass. And though what I will say enable.

[Jack]

That Korea is the place is the dirty version of Japan. So if Korea is clean, Japan is hyper clean.

[Tyler]

He just went to South Korea first.

[Blake]

And China is. China is like, 10 times, like, 10,000 times worse than Korea. Japan is incredibly so. Also, the. Blake, you remember the trash can thing in Japan?

[Jack]

Yes, the fact that they don't exist.

[Blake]

Exactly.

[Jack]

Oh, hold on. Do we have a musical cue? We have music playing.

[Blake]

Is this Japanese?

[Jack]

Someone is arriving.

[Tyler]

No, it's. Oh, it's Tyler.

[Jack]

It's late arrival theme song.

[Tyler]

This is Mormon music.

[Blake]

Mormon theme song.

[Jack]

This.

[Tyler]

Mormon music.

[Jack]

Yeah, it is.

[Charlie]

It must be.

[Jack]

He wouldn't listen to it if it wasn't.

[Tyler]

Oh, this is not allowed to. Is it, like, mandated?

[Charlie]

This is New shoes. New shoes. This is one of my favorite. If I was going to have a podcast, this would be my intro.

[Jack]

Well, if I was making your. If I was making your theme song for you arriving late, it would. It would probably be. I'd probably go with. I feel like.

[Charlie]

Char, you remember Charlie would be like, we would, like, find out, like, a few minutes before, like, the podcast. He's like, it's like, I'm not gonna be there, or I would be late. And then we would have to, like, stall.

[Tyler]

Like, that's you. You're the new. You're the next form.

[Charlie]

Last four weeks. I feel like.

[Tyler]

All right, well, since we have Tyler, so we were.

[Blake]

Well, no, I want to. I want to hit on this more. So. So, Tyler, we were just kind of like. I don't remember how we got there, but we were sort of loving on Japan and talking about how Japan and America really need to, like, be allies now, and that was like, a big trend on Twitter. Trump met with the Prime Minister, the new Prime Minister of Japan in the White House. And, you know, that kind of just. And then. But at the same time, Twitter, like, they sort of did this bot purge. I don't know if it was a full bot purge or something, but it just made it so that Americans could see Japanese accounts more. And for people. People don't know that for a long time, Japan has been the largest country on Twitter that has the largest daily active users daus for any country, even more than America. It's just sort of like their. Their main social media there in Japan. And, you know, people didn't realize that the Japanese had so much affection for the United States of America. And, you know, that led to this kind of, you know, rekindling of the bromance or perhaps like, perhaps you could even say like a. Like a, you know, blessing of the bromance between America and Japan. And, of course, that I came out and said on human events that we need to go a step further and we need to remilitarize Japan. We need to allow them to have their full navy back, let them get nuclear weapons. Like, let's go all in.

[Tyler]

The memes have been so good, though,

[Blake]

for the record, it wouldn't be the first time that we gave Japan nukes.

[Tyler]

Oh,

[Blake]

just, you know, a different way.

[Jack]

It's not too soon, too soon.

[Tyler]

It's not too soon, not too soon.

[Blake]

It's not too soon. It's not too soon. Trump. Trump made the joke about Pearl harbor, remember? Because that's kind of started all this. All right, now wait, do we have it?

[Jack]

No, we don't.

[Tyler]

We don't. Oh, we should have. Oh.

[Blake]

Because he goes, just for anyone who hasn't heard it, he goes, they said, well, you know, why didn't you tell us about the. I guess it was like a Japanese reporter or something. Like, why didn't you tell us about the surprise attack on Iran? He said, why didn't you tell us about Pearl Harbor?

[Jack]

Yeah, no, we saw it. We saw it. No, but we. We speaking of a country that used to be a U.S. ally. Excuse me, we have another country. So now people are saying Japan is our best ally or our best friend.

[Tyler]

Hold on now. They finally got perhaps our greatest ally.

[Blake]

Yeah.

[Jack]

No.

[Tyler]

Should we play a video since we're talking?

[Jack]

No, no, no, no. I want to. We have. We have. We saw that before. We've got to get to. We've got to get to the. The ex US Ally. The decaying US Ally. It was a special relationship. Now it's more of just very special in that special way, which is the uk. The UK is banning travel from America to Japan, at least if you are one specific person.

[Tyler]

I. Yes. And that person would be, well, Kanye West. Multiple names.

[Jack]

He does have many names.

[Tyler]

Kanye. Kanye West. What do you. What do we call. Is it. Is it ye now? I don't care what you're supposed to do.

[Jack]

I don't care. I call him Kanye west because when they change too much, it's not my obligation to know what it is.

[Charlie]

Jesus.

[Tyler]

Jesus. There it is. Did you, like.

[Blake]

Wait, do we have the video. Do we have the video of that. What do they call it? The world stage that he was using with the. With the fog? Because you know that that was him standing on it. But, dude, look at this. Is this not the coolest stage you've ever seen?

[Charlie]

It really is.

[Blake]

I'm sorry. It's the coolest stage I've ever seen.

[Jack]

Stages.

[Charlie]

I've also never.

[Tyler]

No, that is a cool stage.

[Charlie]

I also think that that was the widest crowd that Kanye has ever had.

[Jack]

Look at this.

[Tyler]

Where was this? Look at this.

[Charlie]

I think that was in. In California at the. At the Intuit, though.

[Tyler]

That's sick.

[Blake]

Was it? Oh, I see. I thought that was Sphere. I thought that was one of those fear things.

[Charlie]

Oh, was it? I thought he. I thought he did his concert at the Intuit Dome.

[Blake]

That was amazing.

[Charlie]

But I. I saw a video of it.

[Blake]

I just found out that. Oh, wait, I don't want to say this. Shoot. Okay. Never mind. Blame my last. I'm not going to say that because it might be a surprise for Tanya, and she watches this.

[Charlie]

I. I saw, like, people taking videos from the crowd, and I was just, like, interested, like, who showed up, and it was a very white crowd at this thing. At Kanye. Kanye's concert. Well, and again, I think. I think Kanye's appeal to a lot. A lot of people of different, diverse backgrounds. But it was definitely. There was definitely. He's definitely gained a lot of new, wider fans. Probably.

[Tyler]

Probably.

[Jack]

Is that just a way of saying that he's. Because he's embraced certain. Controversial.

[Tyler]

Yeah. Are you saying anti Semitic that he.

[Charlie]

No, I'm not saying it. I'm just.

[Blake]

I would expect him to have a. A less white audience if he does that.

[Tyler]

Yeah, exactly. That's. That's.

[Charlie]

Yeah, I think. I think that that's more popular.

[Tyler]

What's interesting about this, though, is he's been on this, like, apology tour trying to say, hey, I'm. You know, he's going with the, like, Jewish rabbi saying, sorry, and then he gets blocked. This is fair. I. I don't understand how this even happened. Like, why would the UK go out of their way to block Kanye? What's the explanation they're giving just because of.

[Jack]

They want us to be stuck with him?

[Blake]

No, they. They've blocked people before. They blocked Michael Savage.

[Tyler]

Yeah, Michael Savage.

[Charlie]

Michael Savage can go.

[Tyler]

Yeah. Oh, the.

[Blake]

He's banned as well.

[Tyler]

Conservative commentator.

[Jack]

I'm sort of of two minds on this one. I don't know why we're supposed to care that much about what Kanye west says. And I thought it was weird when we had that episode, especially a couple years ago.

[Tyler]

Is that the real thought crime?

[Jack]

Like, why.

[Tyler]

Why do. Like, why do people care what Kanye west has to say?

[Jack]

Like, as far as I'm concerned, rap is not really.

[Blake]

A celebrity has to say rap.

[Jack]

Rap is not really music. And on top of that, like, when they say insane things, it's really just barely a step above a crazy guy on the subway saying insane things. And I don't feel that Kanye is

[Tyler]

that far away from that caboose. Could we get some. Can we get some Kanye tracks that you actually like or do you. Are you against.

[Charlie]

Well, here's what's the most crazy part of this. One of the most popular. Again, I don't. I don't like this song, but one of those popular songs ever was his collaboration that he did for American Boy.

[Tyler]

I don't even know it.

[Charlie]

Does anybody know the song American?

[Blake]

I don't know that one.

[Jack]

No.

[Tyler]

No, I don't.

[Jack]

I proudly don't.

[Charlie]

British song.

[Tyler]

Yeah, it's about.

[Blake]

Wait, no. Tyler, what was that song?

[Charlie]

It's about a British.

[Blake]

Last year, though, it went pretty viral.

[Charlie]

It's about a British girl being into an American guy.

[Tyler]

Yeah.

[Charlie]

And Kanye is. Is.

[Blake]

Did the.

[Charlie]

Did the collab on that, and now he can't go to the uk.

[Tyler]

My. My favorite thing that is full circle. My favorite thing that Kanye sort of had a hand in doing was. You remember when he did that music video with Kim Kardashian on the motorcycle?

[Charlie]

No.

[Tyler]

You don't.

[Jack]

No, I. I don't really know Kanye.

[Tyler]

Okay.

[Jack]

And so until he started running for president, I couldn't have told Bound.

[Tyler]

That's the video. So bound to. So it's just super weird. The whole music video is like them on a motorcycle, and it's like, gyrating, like, I don't know. And Kim Kardashian is not wearing a whole lot or anything at all. And then anyways, but the point is, Seth Rogen and James Franco did a whole mock, like, parody of it where. Where Seth Rogen's writing on. We should get this. We should get this.

[Charlie]

I think Estelle that did that song with Kanye was at that concert. I think she showed up as one of his because he had a bunch of guest appearances. I think she was. I think she came out and sang with it.

[Tyler]

I don't know. Well, anyways, we don't seem that passionate about Kanye. Nobody seems to care.

[Jack]

Well, I care. I just.

[Tyler]

I kind of do not care.

[Jack]

I fold Kanye in with all other rappers, which is.

[Tyler]

You just wanted.

[Jack]

I just aggressively want to dump on them. Why do people like this stuff? I think it is a setback for the right, that people on the right are fans of rap music.

[Tyler]

That's not Kanye, though.

[Charlie]

This is Kanye. This is Estelle with Kanye.

[Tyler]

Is his version of it.

[Charlie]

No, Estelle sings a song.

[Tyler]

The original version.

[Jack]

Is he just the guy mumbling?

[Charlie]

She sings the song and then he raps.

[Tyler]

Oh, I didn't realize. Here we go.

[Charlie]

Wait, no, speed up. It's further. It's further.

[Jack]

Do we have to listen to this?

[Tyler]

Oh, that's Kanye. I remember this. I was told floor more plug.

[Jack]

Was that song really enhanced by having a guy, like, jabbering in it?

[Charlie]

Yeah, he's. He's the American boy in the song. I mean, that's not who she wrote the song for. But in this. In that version.

[Tyler]

Here's more Kanye.

[Charlie]

But that was a very, very popular song.

[Jack]

But that's the.

[Charlie]

Isn't that.

[Tyler]

This is a. This is a big hit.

[Jack]

Okay, it was a big hit.

[Charlie]

So what?

[Jack]

So was the. So is the Barbie girl song.

[Charlie]

Here's my question. What if America banned popular British people from coming to America?

[Tyler]

It would be like, are there any popular British.

[Jack]

What do we lose if we ban?

[Tyler]

So that's a question. How is. Imagine if we banned media doing with this.

[Charlie]

Imagine if we banned.

[Tyler]

I don't know.

[Charlie]

Can't even think of it.

[Blake]

The Beatles.

[Charlie]

Well, yeah, the Beatles. I mean, I don't know if you could compare Kanye now to, like, peak Beatles, but.

[Jack]

Well, I mean, there is that time that George Harrison wrote a song titled Heil Hitler.

[Tyler]

So the summer. It was summer's wireless.

[Jack]

It was John Lennon who had the Hitler stuff.

[Charlie]

Yeah, yeah. I mean, John Lennon. I guess that's a good point. Like, you could probably compare Kanye west and John Lennon.

[Blake]

Yeah, you could.

[Charlie]

And like, if. If we. If we would have banned controversial stuff. If we would have banned John Lennon because. Yeah, he Said tons of controversial political stuff.

[Blake]

I think Nixon did try to ban John Lennon.

[Charlie]

Yeah, but if he would have done that, it would have been World War iii.

[Blake]

No, but I mean, I think he did actually try to do it. Like, they were trying to pull his. His immigration or something.

[Tyler]

Oh, yeah, yeah.

[Jack]

Nixon wanted to. Also, John Lennon once proposed putting Hitler on the COVID of sergeant Peppers.

[Charlie]

Oh, see?

[Jack]

Yeah.

[Tyler]

So, okay, again, like.

[Blake]

Like, he's pro. There's a lot of, like, provocative people on the sergeant Peppers album. If you. If you look closely.

[Charlie]

So here's the thought.

[Blake]

It's like a whole array of, you know, dead celebrity, famous people, etc.

[Charlie]

Here's the Paul McCartney who died in

[Blake]

between the filming or the recording of Revolver and sergeant Pepper and was secretly replaced by a guy by the name of Billy Shears. And. Because, as we know, Paul McCartney actually died and in a car crash. And there's, like, secrets hidden in the lyrics.

[Charlie]

Okay, so. But here's the thing.

[Tyler]

I hadn't even heard this.

[Charlie]

Here's the thought.

[Blake]

He died in 1966 and was replaced.

[Jack]

Never heard of the Paul is dead conspiracy behind Mike Huckabee on that one. I remember Huckabee, Paul is dead thing while running for president.

[Tyler]

You think it's real. You actually believe it. Jay. The Paul is dead.

[Blake]

I mean, it's. You just. You have to believe the. The songs. It's all there. It's all there. It's.

[Tyler]

Which song do they say. Which song do they say reveals this. That has the hidden.

[Jack]

Oh, there's a song in, like, all of them. There's a song in the White Album that is titled Paul McCartney is Dead. But don't talk about the song and don't tell anyone about. Just pretend this doesn't exist. But it's on this album. He's dead. And he was replaced by this guy song.

[Blake]

So ti. It's the song. I'm so Tired Ellen on Revolver has that at the end of it. It's where it's like. If you play it backwards, you hear. You hear missing Missy, missing. Paul is dead. And. And there's a bunch of, like, hidden clues within the Sergeant Pepper album. For example, on the COVID of Sergeant Pepper, someone has, like, an open hand over Paul McCartney's head. And that. That in, like, Eastern religions, like. Like Hinduism that we know that the Beatles were, like, heavily into around this time. They'd gone and hung out in India and they were, like, tight with Ravi Shankar. George Harrison was. And whose daughter is Nora Jones? Funny enough, you know so much about

[Jack]

this So I guess it's really convenient in this version.

[Blake]

So that's like a sign of death, basically.

[Jack]

Okay, so is it really convenient in the story then that they found a guy who not only looked like Paul McCartney, but was also a transcendentally good songwriter because Paul McCartney continued to write, or his imposter has continued to write songs and they've. Maybe they been well received.

[Tyler]

Maybe they just went through some of the, like recorded tracks that were never released and he just started release.

[Jack]

Yeah. Or. But if you have to explain why

[Blake]

there's still big songwriters with the Beatles.

[Jack]

What if John Lennon was actually still alive secretly, and he was writing the music attributed to Paul McCartney even after his death?

[Blake]

Yeah, he was. So. So John was alive for a decade after the Beatles. So, yeah, you can see McCartney looks

[Tyler]

a lot like young McCartney.

[Blake]

So you see the hand over the head. There's stuff, you know, over Paul you could see. There's. What is it like with the, with the doll on the far right? You know, they're supposed. It's like a Freddy Krueger kind of like, like shears, like, like scissors. I think there's something. What is the one thing. Where's the. There's like a car on the kid's knee and that's supposed to be a reference to the, you know, the death of Paul McCartney in a car crash. And, and there's that song on the, on the White Album that Ringo sings where they, it talks about you. You know, I'm, you know, you.

[Tyler]

Wait, hold on.

[Blake]

It's. You were in a car crash and you lost your hair and you're forgetting,

[Jack]

you're forgetting the big one, Jack. You're forgetting the big one, which is the COVID of Abbey Road, which is Paul McCartney is, is one. He has his right foot in front of him instead of his left. Yeah, I'm secretly dead. So he's barefoot and.

[Blake]

Yeah, and he's barefoot. So. So the COVID of Abbey Road is actually a funeral procession. And so you have John Lennon is there as the, you know, like the angel then. And that's why he's all white. Then Ringo Starr is, is in all black. So he's like the, the priest. Then Paul is the, the one being buried and then George, of course, is the gr. So him being barefoot while he's on, on asphalt on a sunny day when it's hot, that signifies death. The fact that he has his cigarette in his right hand, even though everybody knows that Paul McCartney was left handed, you know, shows that it's an imposter. Man, there was something with the license plate as well that I forget of the beetle that you can.

[Tyler]

Have you heard any of this, Tyler?

[Charlie]

No.

[Jack]

You've never heard of this?

[Charlie]

But honestly I have no. But I'm like, are you faking that you don't know?

[Jack]

Because the Mormon Church was involved.

[Charlie]

The Beatles are so disinteresting to me. Like I'm so disinterested.

[Blake]

Did the Mormon Church, one of the most innovative bands, clearly the most popular band. There will never be a band at more popular than the Beatles.

[Tyler]

I actually agree with that.

[Charlie]

And I hate that.

[Tyler]

Hold on.

[Charlie]

I hate that about the band.

[Tyler]

So this, These are Paul McCartney's post Beatles career spanning solo work. And Wings produced numerous hits, critically acclaimed tracks. Check this out. Band on the Run.

[Charlie]

The Beatles.

[Tyler]

Maybe I'm amazed. That's a huge song.

[Charlie]

But here's the deal.

[Tyler]

The Beatles were live and let die. Jet. Coming up.

[Charlie]

The Beatles did so much damage to American, the American youth.

[Tyler]

How so?

[Charlie]

I just think their influence was so negative at a time that, that was an outlet for people that like were turning away from like basic American principles and they were a. Oh, so you'll

[Blake]

say that about the Beatles but you won't say that about Lord of the Rings, who those people were also into.

[Tyler]

Oh gosh.

[Charlie]

I, I don't want to cause you more problems than you already have with Lord of the Rings fans.

[Tyler]

Jack Overtly and I will cause you more problems.

[Blake]

Same group of people in the 1960s loved Lord of the Rings. Lord of the Rings was like the hippie bible.

[Jack]

Hold on, I don't know. Led Zeppelin.

[Blake]

If we're going to talk about the effects, like we have to, we have to be fair about this.

[Charlie]

Okay, listen, I'm back to the Beatles. The Beatles were like subverting American culture at the time. They turned hearts, young hearts and minds away from pro American values. And you can't change my mind.

[Jack]

So you're saying that, you know, that there was a plot against Paul and.

[Tyler]

Could be, yeah, he's kind of playing into your stereotype here.

[Jack]

Yeah,

[Charlie]

that very well could be.

[Tyler]

So, so what's interesting is I, I heard this one time, it was a cultural critic about the Beatles and he was saying, you know, everybody wanted to hear what the Beatles had to say. The only problem with the Beatles is they said nothing. And I think that's kind of interesting. It was sort of, they said stuff obviously, but they didn't really have like something they were.

[Jack]

We're complaining that the Beatles don't have a hard hitting political message. I feel, I feel like we've got plenty of hard hitting political messages.

[Tyler]

Well, nowadays we do, but yeah, now we have Tyler's point maybe like if you have this whole sort of malaise with the youth and turning away from traditional values and they're kind of emblematic of that into this like ethereal nothingness that they were leading everybody.

[Charlie]

Yeah, I would agree with that. I actually think the Beatles entire vibe was like. It was almost like don't care about things except for your own emotions. Like, like very self centered.

[Tyler]

Think about it. They don't, they don't really have like. You think back some of their lyrics. They didn't really have anything to say. They didn't. And I remember thinking that, that like some of their biggest tracks, I mean like I want to hold your hand. Okay, that was like the one of the originals. Like, okay, it's a love song, but like you keep going down. As they got more like eclectic and more experimental. I don't really know what the message was. What was the message?

[Charlie]

I think.

[Blake]

Well, I think does there need to be a message for someone?

[Tyler]

But I think it's like in the cultural context of the time, yeah, it kind of makes sense that they were leading everybody nowhere.

[Jack]

So you're saying we should have banned the Beatles from America?

[Tyler]

Thousand percent.

[Charlie]

Yeah.

[Tyler]

No, I don't know.

[Blake]

I don't think that art needs to have a message like that. I think it's. It just could just stand on its own, I think.

[Tyler]

Yeah, maybe, maybe. I mean I, I don't think that strong of thoughts about any of this stuff, to be honest. But I mean, listen, I think they're very talented. I think to who said it? Whose point. There will never be another Beatles that has that sort of like cultural dominance and you know, Beatlemania and all of this stuff and just the, the song, the songs that they have. There's so many huge hits. Like, I just don't think we'll ever see anything like it again. I just, just. I don't know, it just does. I kind of resonate with what Tyler's saying on some level because it was, it was a time when kids were turning their backs on traditional values and going to nowhere. It was a road to nowhere.

[Blake]

Lord of the Rings. I think Lord of the Rings was their favorite novel.

[Charlie]

I think most importantly was that.

[Blake]

And he go look it up. The hippies loved Lord of the Rings. Lord of the Rings was they. They viewed the hobbits as like the pot smokers. They viewed the hobbits as like the shire was like a commune that was like communistic. They viewed the Mordor was like the military industrial complex and corporate society and they had to fight against that. And it was always seen up until the movies came out as a vehicle of the left. It was totally embraced by the hippie counterculture movement.

[Jack]

Yeah. But then they made the movie and it was awesome. So now it's straight and right wing and awesome. Zuzu's petals donated $1 and says sadly the Beatles became dirty hippies. That's true. Also Zuzu pedal earlier she said she would. She should. We would ban Adele from the US is what she said.

[Charlie]

I think. I think that the. Oh, no.

[Blake]

I'm pointing out everyone's hacking our view that if we're going to talk about the Beatles impact on culture, we should talk about Lord of the Rings impact on the 60s.

[Tyler]

Hold on, hold on. Can you name me? Jack? The. The drummer before the best. Ringo.

[Charlie]

Ringo who?

[Blake]

Pete Best.

[Tyler]

Yeah, you got it. Did you know that no.

[Charlie]

Ringo. Ringo ended up being.

[Blake]

There was also Stu Sutcliffe.

[Charlie]

Huh.

[Tyler]

Wow.

[Charlie]

I didn't know you were such a fan.

[Tyler]

Yeah. Did you know that the Beatles like performed all over Europe for like years, just being a kind of a journey.

[Blake]

Yes.

[Jack]

They played in Hamburg for lunch and that's how they got good.

[Tyler]

That's how they got good.

[Jack]

Played every night in Hamburg.

[Tyler]

Every night. Like for hours.

[Jack]

At least that's the.

[Blake]

That's the theory. There's actually a couple versions of like I want to hold your hand in German. Come give me that guy hand that you can actually get with the Beatles

[Tyler]

singing it much about the Beatles. Did you engineer this Kanye topic just so we could talk about the Beatles?

[Blake]

What is it? What was the one she loves you is like ship dick or something. Like sheep dick. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Tyler]

Okay. We're gonna too. I should leap. All right, well, hold on. Just to put a final like, you know, I guess.

[Jack]

Point.

[Blake]

Fine.

[Tyler]

Point on this topic.

[Blake]

See? See? Yeah. See? Leaped.

[Tyler]

Yeah, that was.

[Jack]

I was related topic off of this. We should do that next.

[Tyler]

All right, fine.

[Jack]

Which is the bigger picture thing? We got it. We got it, Jack. The big picture idea is does the music you like show your IQ? And the answer is the science is settled. 150%. Yes. Your favorite band reveals how smart you are.

[Tyler]

Really?

[Jack]

Yes.

[Tyler]

So what if your favorite band is not.

[Jack]

Let's throw up. Throw up. Number 12. This is the chart that was made. It's. No one's going to be able to read it, I suppose. But it's someone like Did a big. I think they compared what your SAT score, your SAT score average would be versus the band you list as your favorite.

[Charlie]

So where the Beatles? Where the Beatles at?

[Jack]

Let's go check this one.

[Tyler]

It's.

[Jack]

I don't think by here you can see some of the dumb ones.

[Charlie]

Wait, so you. The most. The most famous, most impactful band in. In the history was kind of low on this?

[Tyler]

No, the Beatles are on that, right?

[Charlie]

They have.

[Jack]

Yeah, the Beatles. The Beatles are definitely on here. I just. If there's a lot of bands on this list, the highest iq, the highest SAT score by a mile actually is Beethoven. Some other bands that. Some other bands that finish high is Counting Crows. I don't even know who that is.

[Tyler]

You don't know who the counter.

[Jack]

I mean, I've heard of them, but here. Yeah, the dumbest one.

[Charlie]

The dumbest straight.

[Jack]

Oh, gosh. The dumbest artist is Lil Wayne.

[Tyler]

That wasn't their, like big hit.

[Charlie]

Their biggest hit was.

[Tyler]

What is that?

[Jack]

Is that the Kiss, the girl from.

[Tyler]

Yeah, I heard the Little Mermaid there.

[Blake]

That was a Little Mermaid.

[Tyler]

Yeah, the Beatles. The Beatles are probably about 60, Jones and me. Yeah, the Beatles are pretty high.

[Jack]

The Beatles look like they're about like 75th, 80th percentile. They're an SAT of about 1150, 1140.

[Charlie]

No, but round here by the County Crows is one of the best songs ever written.

[Blake]

Wait, why is you too so high?

[Jack]

Because British, if you're listening to them, you.

[Tyler]

You apparently have more refined tastes.

[Jack]

I don't know.

[Tyler]

I don't know. Yeah, yeah. When I looked at this list, I was like my, my. Most of my bands that I probably listen to are not on this.

[Charlie]

Keep the.

[Jack]

Keep the B roll scrolling so the listeners can see it and identify where their bands are on there. Argument, which is an amazing username, I must say. Argument. That's awesome. Says that. That Counting Crows equals Complaining Rock.

[Tyler]

It is complaining.

[Jack]

That's great.

[Tyler]

That's kind of like Mr. Jones and me was great. The December is definitely more of a Counting crows.

[Charlie]

And that 90s vibe that, like that early 90s, that. That was the. The mother of all emo music.

[Tyler]

Yeah, the bands. Just so you're looking at the screen, the bands on the left are dumb and the bands on the right.

[Jack]

So if you're. If you're a Taking Back Sunday fan, you're kind of done here.

[Tyler]

I look Switch Foot. I do not agree that if you like Switch Foot, but you're as dumb as a Maroon 5 fan.

[Jack]

Well, deal with it. This is science.

[Blake]

So Anyway, I don't like either.

[Jack]

We actually had all of us. We had all of us look at this list and submit their top five so we can finally determine.

[Tyler]

This is much clearer than the thing I was looking at. I couldn't even read half the.

[Blake]

Why is Aerosmith so low? That's weird.

[Tyler]

Well, it's not low. I think it's just, like, it matters on the left to right axis. The Y axis here does not mean.

[Blake]

That's what I'm saying. Like, why is it so left?

[Tyler]

Look at beyond.

[Jack]

Super Beyonce is for dumb. It's confirmed. But anyway, we did have everyone sign off their list, so let's. Let's go through it. How about we do. Let's do Tyler first because he was last getting in and, you know, they say the last Shelby first, so we've got Tyler's list. What. What are his top five? Let me see something.

[Tyler]

Corporate Jimmy Eat World, System of a Down. That's not my.

[Charlie]

That's not mine.

[Jack]

It's not?

[Charlie]

No, that. That wasn't. Those aren't the ones I. I didn't have. What are the ones you circled? It was something. Corporate Jimmy World, Yellow Card, Counting Crows,

[Jack]

and I can't remember. Oh, we have an inaccurate Tyler top five. That's not going to cut it.

[Charlie]

Yeah, it's. That was.

[Tyler]

That was.

[Charlie]

It might have been my circle.

[Tyler]

All right, on to the next one. All right, let's go to.

[Jack]

Let's go to Jax. What's Jack's top five? We have Radiohead, the Beatles. Okay, so he loves this hippie pagan band.

[Tyler]

Let it be noted it's overtly pagan.

[Jack]

Overtly pagan band. David Bowie. Definitely pagan. We've seen Labyrinth.

[Tyler]

That's a big movie. David Bowie, I. I'm into these. We have Nirvana. I like your Metallica. I like your list.

[Jack]

Nirvana is that.

[Blake]

This is my list out of, like, what's on here. Yeah, exactly. I'm a huge. I'm a huge Smashing Pumpkins fan. And I don't see the pumpkin. I didn't see the pumpkins anywhere on there. So that would be my.

[Tyler]

So far to the left, Jack, that you must have missed it.

[Blake]

No, actually, they were so far to the right.

[Tyler]

Right. They're off the beyond.

[Blake]

They just blew the bell curve.

[Tyler]

Yeah. I. Okay, so I like Radiohead. I. I like some of the Beatles song. I'm not like a Beatles, like, fanatic. David Bowie, I like his movies better than his music. Nirvana, like them. Metallica like them.

[Blake]

Bowie's. Phenomenal Bowie's. I. I got to see him a Time.

[Tyler]

You know, the thing is I just, I never really, I never really have absorbed David Bowie but maybe I'll have to go back.

[Charlie]

That's pretty high score.

[Tyler]

I've heard, I've, I've heard David Bowie song.

[Jack]

All right, do we have, do we have an Andrew? Did Andrew make one?

[Blake]

You're right.

[Jack]

All right Andrew, we've got Bob Dylan. Do you just love band like singers who are out of key.

[Tyler]

Oh wow. I I How does it feel? So here I like Bob Dylan for a lot of reasons actually the guy who married me is a guy named Don Williams. Me and my wife.

[Jack]

A guy married you?

[Tyler]

Sorry, that did come out wrong. The pastor who married my wife and I wrote a book about Bob Dylan and his Christian faith. And so that sent me down a whole rabbit trail where I started listening to Bob Dylan's song. So I became a really big Bob Dylan song just lyrically obviously his voice was you know, trouble in it was not was not perfect by the way. And then I ended up dating a girl in when I was I don't know like 25 I think and and her family house was right next to where Bob Dylan's house was in Point Doom in, in Malibu. And so I it's very. Anyway, I just got into Bob Dylan. It's a long story. Pearl Jam loved them.

[Jack]

So he love Seattle band. You love so you have Bob Dylan. So you like singers who are.

[Tyler]

I went to University of Washington and

[Jack]

then you like grunge.

[Blake]

Yeah, Pearl Jam's like the most left wing band on the planet.

[Tyler]

Jimmy Eat World and then George Strait because I was like give me some country in there because I listen to country and I know which I everything on on the list country was low I.Q. so.

[Jack]

All right, well I guess I can't escape from having my list. Although mine is definitely the toughest. I I was the one who like bit the bullet and just circled like the genre ones which yeah like classic rock.

[Blake]

I saw Queen. Wait a minute. I don't think I actually saw Queen on the list.

[Jack]

I might want to replace your musical choices are so are so dumb. You can't techno you no not tech. So I listened to an absolute crapload of synthwave music.

[Blake]

You literally have like that's all the

[Jack]

same bands as me fantasy like fake 80s music that they made.

[Tyler]

And I listen to tons of circle classic rock.

[Jack]

That's but I did just circle classic rock.

[Tyler]

That's faking.

[Jack]

And then I had Metallica there. I mean overall my choices are dumb but luckily like Green Day I didn't

[Tyler]

really like a lot of Green Day.

[Jack]

I really don't listen to a lot of these bands, which is why it's a good thing, because I came out with, you know, frankly, let's just say the lowest IQ average on.

[Tyler]

What's funny. Pretty dumb music, which is funny. Hold on.

[Jack]

The thing is, is they did just do an updated version of the study today that added one band. Throw it up. We have the number one actual list and. Come on. Throw it up. Throw it up. You don't have it? I sent it to you guys. You guys are killing me. Well, I'm gonna have to hold you guys in suspense and filibuster until they have it ready to go.

[Charlie]

Blake's top five are the lowest iq.

[Tyler]

They are.

[Jack]

But there's a new number one IQ spot.

[Charlie]

Isn't that weird, though, that you are. You are kind of viewed as the smartest person here, and you have the lowest IQ list.

[Jack]

I actually do genuinely kind of like slightly dumb music, I must say.

[Tyler]

You like. You like Beyonce, like, you probably do

[Charlie]

have the highest IQ of all of us. That's probably true.

[Jack]

Okay.

[Blake]

Finally.

[Jack]

All right, they got it. So breaking new science came in, and actually the highest IQ band by a long shot is Megadeth featuring Dave Mustaine.

[Tyler]

Did you get.

[Jack]

We have. We have songs like he sells, but who's buying?

[Tyler]

We have Caboose. Can we get some Megadeth?

[Jack]

Yeah, do. Do, like, Symphony of Destruction or Tornado of Souls or something. Those are. Those are both good ones, baby.

[Tyler]

This is shocking stuff.

[Jack]

Yeah. So that's, like, by far all the way to the right. It's to the right of Beethoven. Even the highest IQ band by a mile. Thrash metal pioneers who did this study because.

[Tyler]

Okay, Blake is now doing air guitar.

[Jack]

Well, it's like there was a classic article in the Onion which pointed out humanity, humanity still producing new art as though Megadeth's Rest in Peace doesn't already exist. Like, really, we could have stopped music. Like, you guys are liking all these 90s bands. Ooh, I love Radiohead. I love Pearl Jam. Here's what happened. In 1990, Megadeth released Rust in Peace. It had Rust in Peace, Polaris, Holy War is the punishment. Dew. Hangar 18, tornado of souls. It had all of those on one album.

[Tyler]

This feels.

[Jack]

We really didn't need any more music after that.

[Blake]

But Andrew.

[Tyler]

Fairly self indulgent.

[Blake]

Did you know that? Did you know that the. So Dave Mustaine was from Megadeth, was the original guitarist of Metallica?

[Tyler]

I didn't know that. Yes, that's Cool.

[Blake]

So specifically, if you listen to the. Their first album, Kill Them All, a lot of those, like, songs, the riffs, the solos, even though it's Kirk Hammond, I believe, who actually plays on the album, a lot of that was written by Dave Mustaine. So, like the early Metallica stuff and Megadeth, like, kind of have the same origin, basically. But he was fired by Metallica.

[Tyler]

Why?

[Jack]

Because he was kind of crazy drinking.

[Tyler]

Kind of crazy.

[Blake]

A lot of drinking.

[Tyler]

Yeah, I guess. I guess. Why do bands break apart?

[Jack]

It's also why when Yoko Ono.

[Tyler]

I bet you know all the Yoko Ono lore.

[Jack]

Let's see, we've got.

[Tyler]

I do.

[Blake]

But, you know, I think a lot of it's highly exaggerated, honestly. Really do.

[Tyler]

I think they were just burned out, man. They went hard for, like, what was it? What was their. What was the Beatles years?

[Blake]

It was 10 years, 1960 to 1970.

[Tyler]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Jack]

I like.

[Tyler]

That's a heck of a deck.

[Jack]

XY guy is responding. Beethoven, Bach, Handel put all of these lists to shame. That's true. And then he says lead singer for Rush ain't no dummy. But if he was a proper Rush fan, XY guy should be named YYZ Guy. So you change your moniker, bro.

[Charlie]

Did we have the updated in my list? I want to see what my numbers were compared to.

[Tyler]

Your average is probably somewhere around 10.

[Charlie]

Counting crows brings me. Brings me up high, cuz. Counting Crows is 12:14.

[Jack]

I love Rush something so I. I've

[Charlie]

never heard Blinking Yellow Card really pull me down.

[Jack]

I have never heard of something corporate in my life. Is this some.

[Charlie]

Oh, my gosh. Something Corporate's incredible.

[Blake]

I've heard the name, but I couldn't tell you anything they do.

[Charlie]

No, you know, you probably know that. That song. Oh, I'm thinking Jack's Mannequin because it turned into Jack's Mannequin.

[Jack]

I've never heard of Jack's Mannequin either.

[Charlie]

It was something corporate.

[Jack]

Chances are if I've heard any of these bands, I'll only have heard them because they were on a Tony Hawk's Pro Skater soundtrack. Were any of these guys on Tony Hawk's Pro Skater soundtrack?

[Charlie]

I don't know if any of these were.

[Blake]

I. I know someone who was Yellow Card. Milo Primus. Jerry was a race car driver.

[Tyler]

Yeah. Hold on. I don't know.

[Charlie]

This is all, like, punk. This is all punk. Emo.

[Tyler]

Corporate Postal service is there.

[Blake]

Where's Primus? How come Primus isn't on the list?

[Tyler]

Primus sucks.

[Charlie]

And it really. I.

[Tyler]

Rock Princess.

[Charlie]

I picked. Yeah. Punk rock.

[Tyler]

Oh, geez.

[Charlie]

Oh, be a punk rock princess Wait

[Tyler]

a minute, wait a minute.

[Charlie]

Garage band king.

[Tyler]

I'm getting hit by ads. I was just trying to.

[Jack]

Getting wrecked by ads.

[Blake]

Wait a minute, wait a minute.

[Charlie]

Oh, I woke up in a car. I woke up in a car. Oh, I woke up in a car.

[Tyler]

I don't recognize it. All right, you don't.

[Charlie]

You don't recognize that? That's like California. That's like California rock.

[Tyler]

I didn't grow up.

[Jack]

Yeah, I didn't grow up in California either. More to the point, I have avoided California my entire life.

[Charlie]

Yeah,

[Jack]

this is something corporate.

[Charlie]

Yeah, this is great.

[Tyler]

This is great music.

[Jack]

All of these bands, all of these bands sound the same. It's like, I'm gonna play on this.

[Charlie]

Actually, actually something corporate was. Is actually what my wife and I did too, as our song.

[Tyler]

It's called playing guitar right now. This is the first.

[Blake]

It's actually my fretless acoustic bass.

[Tyler]

Oh, fretless acoustic bass.

[Jack]

Fretless.

[Tyler]

Yeah.

[Blake]

It's been. It's kind of like out of tune though.

[Jack]

Is that like a Guitar Hero controller?

[Charlie]

So I have a theory about all these. All these IQs. I actually think it's more based off of. Of the timetable. So the more popular someone was in a certain era probably made you more smart.

[Blake]

Go on.

[Charlie]

So some of that 90s. So some of that 90s music like Pearl Jam was pretty up there, wasn't it? Pearl Jam?

[Blake]

I think I would say it's the opposite. I think that's a lagging indicator. I think that a smarter population, like smarter music. So the. The popularity getting of dumb music getting better means you have more dumb people.

[Charlie]

I think it could be a combination of both. So you have eras of smarter people. Like people were really stupid in the 60s.

[Tyler]

I will say, like people were stupid, but actually the population was still like closer to a. To the traditional values, the things that made America great. They had like remnants smarts. So if you listen to the lyrics of like classic rock or it, you know, rock in the 60s, I mean, it was elevated more so it was more musically complex.

[Jack]

Do you know about that? They had more key changes, more time signature changes. There's more musical variety. There's more dynamic range. Like you'll have music that is quiet and then loud. It'll have a wider range. For some reason, they compress all their music. Music is very refined and simplified. It's almost like it's actually kind of like what they do with drugs or fast food. They figure out how to make it More addictive and catchy. Yet as a result, it's extremely simplified and you don't get truly transcendent. Talking about now. Yes.

[Tyler]

Yeah, yeah. Well, it's. Because it's. It's the Walmart ification of. It's the big boxification of American music.

[Jack]

And it's gonna be even worse because now we can write catchy pop beats with AI and there's already hit AI music on Spotify and all of that. But I think eventually we're just gonna. It's just gonna be a matter of course that the pop star is just maybe going to be a brand and you'll have a lot of AI generated fluff for the songs on their albums because who cares? Like, I bet. I bet there's tons of AI going into K pop music right now.

[Tyler]

But if you like Caboose, play to Blake's Point. Play the Chain by Fleetwood Mac, 1977. There's the dynamic range that you're talking about all over the place. I think there's. I do think there is like sort of timing changes in it as well like that. If you compare the Chain by Fleetwood Mac, 1977. Yeah, but. But I mean, we're not gonna have

[Jack]

to listen to Dark eight minutes.

[Blake]

Great song.

[Tyler]

It's such a good song.

[Jack]

It is a good song.

[Tyler]

But like. Okay, so. But like. And then you go to. You had that quick, by the way, Caboose.

[Jack]

He's very good.

[Tyler]

Okay, so. But then. Then there's different parts of the song is what I'm saying. It's the complexity of that song will be anything modern music.

[Charlie]

Well, that's like. That's like Bob Dylan. Right?

[Tyler]

That's why I picked Bob Dylan.

[Charlie]

Yeah, that's like. I mean, but that. That actually. That actually supports the Bob Dylan theory on the.

[Tyler]

I think Bob Dylan's like really smart music.

[Jack]

You know, what I would say is interesting.

[Tyler]

Poetry.

[Jack]

What I would say is interesting. If you think of Bob Dylan, Trump Tower, you think of the standard song. So many songs are basically verse, chorus, verse, chorus, bridge, and then like the chorus again or something. When you think of the songs that are most likely to top a list of the absolute best songs in rock history or musical history. Have you ever noticed almost none of them seem to actually follow that format that. So I remember growing up well, so. Yeah, exactly. Bohemian Rhapsody doesn't follow that.

[Blake]

Yeah, I was just.

[Jack]

Don't Stop Believing doesn't follow that. Stairway to Heaven doesn't follow that. All three of those are irregular progressive songs. Progressive in terms of. They just Change throughout. I find that interesting.

[Blake]

But you can't just say that like just because something breaks the mold like means it's going to be good or it's going to be popular because like go look at like tool for example. Like nothing. Nothing the tool puts out. You know fits that and has tons of time changes. Danny Carey, you know on drums like is known for time changes. But it you know that's not like quote unquote super popular.

[Charlie]

But. But Blake's point is actually a really good one because I and I've never really thought about it this Some of my favorite songs of my favorite artists. It's a good are non traditional.

[Tyler]

I haven't thought about this but it's

[Charlie]

a really like Jimmy World. One of my favorite songs ever is Goodbye sky harbor and it follows it's that same same thing

[Jack]

like Top Guns N Roses songs. November Ram has an irregular structure.

[Charlie]

Hammers and strings.

[Jack]

Sweet Child of Mine has an irregular structure.

[Charlie]

Now the American my favorite so I'm

[Jack]

thinking about American Pie is still verse chorus. It's just really long.

[Charlie]

Some of my favorite Some of my favorite songs ever have been totally.

[Tyler]

I mean that. The fact that it's really long though breaks sort of like so Speaking of.

[Charlie]

Well I think it lends to longer songs do follow that like so the irregularities creates longer songs because they have different.

[Jack]

Yeah we've got a good flow to this. So to get into our third topic. So you mentioned was something corporate. Your dance song at your wedding or what was your first dance song? Okay. And was. So that was that what was your first dance song at your wedding?

[Charlie]

Something corporate. Hurricane acoustic.

[Tyler]

Birdie Get Me in Trouble. Oh no, no, no. Like I think it was something like really. So we had a great musical like. Like wedding. I mean we had great music. We had a live band and all this stuff. But I think our first dance song was like pretty sappy and that's fine. Jason Mraz.

[Jack]

How about. How about you Jack? What was your first dance?

[Charlie]

So you didn't pick it.

[Blake]

So we did like two. We did like a slow song and a fast song.

[Charlie]

Interesting.

[Blake]

So we did. And the slow song was oh My Love by John Lennon. And then the fast song was. Wait, what's it actually called? Like Wake Me up by Wham.

[Jack]

Oh, that's a great one. Judah Bug. I love that song.

[Blake]

That's what it's. It's called Wake Me up. Right?

[Jack]

Yeah. Wake me up before you go. I don't of course have one. I do know my parents. My parents was. May I have the stance for the rest of my life by whoever did that song.

[Tyler]

So now that you're talking about weddings,

[Jack]

we're going to the dirty underbelly of this, which is story in the New York Times, where the New York Times loves to write about trends that are. Oh, wait, actually, it was People mag. Never mind. I just left it to be up in the New York Times. Anyway, so what it is, is there is a new trend that they're profiling because they want it to happen, just like polyamory. And it's women throwing wedding parties for themselves when they turn 40, when they are not actually getting married. So it's a fake wedding level blowout for turning 40. And this trend is, if not sweeping America, it's at least sweeping the pages of People magazine and sweeping your timeline on X to propagandize.

[Tyler]

You prove you don't need a partner to celebrate yourself.

[Blake]

Man.

[Tyler]

What?

[Charlie]

You know, so they're throwing like. Like 40th birthday parties that are. That are made to look like weddings. Is that what you're saying?

[Jack]

Yes.

[Tyler]

Women devoted themselves to like, like corporate ladder climbing. And so they may not have a partner, but they probably have enough money to throw a very extravagant, expensive party like a wedding.

[Charlie]

I can't even picture this. Can I see a video of this?

[Blake]

Do we have every day? We have. Yes, I think we have. God, we have video.

[Tyler]

Can I please see this spiritual soul rot on display?

[Jack]

Have a lot. But I think people.

[Blake]

People get on me for saying that we need. You know, I've never actually said that we need a new Franco, but, man, you see stuff like this and it's like overtly pagan.

[Tyler]

Legitimately.

[Jack]

Yeah. All right, so we're told to start. We have several clips to let Tyler understand this. Let's play clip five.

[Charlie]

I can't even picture this.

[Woman throwing 40th birthday wedding party]

This weekend, I'm throwing myself a wedding birthday. It's my own wedding son's husband at a manor in the British countryside. For my 40th, you know, I never had a wedding, so I was like, how do I celebrate the biggest way possible?

[Tyler]

A princess.

[Blake]

Shut up.

[Tyler]

Yeah.

[Blake]

No, literally, shut up.

[Woman throwing 40th birthday wedding party]

Here's the itinerary. Black tie. First night, everyone's wearing black, and then I will be in a white gown. Peoplescape very self tells me that she

[Blake]

shouldn't be in white.

[Woman throwing 40th birthday wedding party]

Red lights. Think dripping candles. Figures.

[Blake]

Yeah. It's not the only thing.

[Woman throwing 40th birthday wedding party]

We'll party in the living room like an aristocrat. Next morning is Princess Diana themed. British countryside shooting day. Don't worry, we're just using clay Very Ralph Lauren.

[Jack]

Don't worry all the time.

[Woman throwing 40th birthday wedding party]

Finally, the birthday night. Studio 54 vibe. Glitter sequins just over the top, everything.

[Jack]

I really.

[Charlie]

Wait, why did it end with like a gay dance party at the end?

[Jack]

Like for all of her gay friends

[Blake]

to show up at it?

[Charlie]

I guess wouldn't happen in a normal way.

[Jack]

I really genuinely don't know what to make of that. Like, if you got invited to a party like that, do you go?

[Charlie]

No, no, I wouldn't go.

[Tyler]

I mean, listen, I mean it just

[Blake]

shows where we're at culturally. It just shows the, you know, the lack. I mean this. I think we all know what Charlie

[Charlie]

would say about this.

[Blake]

You know, I mean it just, it just shows where we're at as a society. And you, you would wish and that people have this fulfillment that is being unmet, this, this desire that's being unmet because of their own choices. Because they eschewed family and marriage and child rearing and yet they still want those feelings. And so they've created for themselves this false reality of. It's like the participation trophy, right? Like you didn't actually achieve or commit to a wedding which is supposed to be, you know, a union between two individuals in the sight of man and in the sight of God.

[Tyler]

And you are just two individuals to be specific.

[Blake]

Oh yeah, obviously, yes. But you know, two souls is what I'm trying to say. And the idea here is that it's like there's no unity. There's no union at the part of this other than like you and yourself.

[Charlie]

Right.

[Blake]

Like that's what this is. You notice there's no, like there isn't even a boyfriend. There isn't even a stand in for a husband here. There's no sign of God at all. It's all just a celebration of the self.

[Tyler]

Well, that headline from People magazine where it says you don't need a partner to celebrate yourself. Yeah.

[Jack]

And it turns out there was a New York Times when we had both. That is the New York Times. One is a wedding party. No husband required.

[Tyler]

Yeah, that is a. So is it just this gal or is this a trend?

[Blake]

It's like, it's like that, that, that movie, what's the. The. The Housemaid, right? Where it's just, it's anti marriage, it's anti husband. It's. It's all this like hyper feminist gobbledygook, you know, Gaga, that's just everywhere today. And you know, it's like you don't need a man. You could, like I said you, that you know, going back. Where do we hear that you don't need a man? Frozen. It was a Disney movie.

[Jack]

It was a lesbian about Frozen.

[Blake]

Again, lesbian propaganda. Here we go. Here we go again.

[Tyler]

All I know is that there's something about this that I find a little bit like disrespectful. It's almost sacrilegious because the wedding in white as you mentioned, Jack, it's like it's something you do have to achieve but just basically saying to the world, I don't have to achieve this to still wear white and be the center of attention and everybody's there for me. It's really narcissistic. But it's, and it's self serving but it's also just disrespectful to the institution of marriage.

[Charlie]

It's everyone gets a trophy type stuff.

[Tyler]

Well, it's sort of like it's just anti tradition.

[Charlie]

It's like we feel so bad for you or for ourselves that we're just going to give ourselves the things that we feel like. And again, it feels very similar to also like the Disney adult thing where it's like people like living out.

[Blake]

Yeah, yeah, it does. That's exactly right.

[Charlie]

People like. I don't know why that like, like this like triggered that for me, but it's like people.

[Blake]

No, yeah, that's 100. It's the same wavelength, like the exact same way.

[Charlie]

They, they didn't get to do it when they were kids or whatever. And so like now they're fulfilling out this like fantasy of like being a

[Blake]

kid because what is that? Right? That's, that's the, you know, millennials with disposable income who haven't achieved those life wickets, those life benchma marks and milestones that you're supposed to hit by certain ages. So by that age you, you typically do have like children and you are then starting to want to bring your kids to, to you know, do family stuff and yet you don't have that. So it's this infantilization which of course Charlie also talked about the extended adolescence where, where people don't leave it. And so it's like we're going to infantilize ourselves and act like we're children and go to Disney by ourselves.

[Jack]

We have a great story.

[Charlie]

So 40th birthday party is very similar where it's like you're doing something and it's this fantasy of something that you should have probably done at an earlier time period in your life.

[Jack]

But we've got, we've got, you're still

[Charlie]

Omitting, just like Disney, like you don't have the kids with you. You're doing it. It makes you feel good. Stroking something in your ego.

[Jack]

I haven't seen this clip, but I can tell it's going to be great. And it's a broken generation.

[Blake]

It's just a broken generation.

[Jack]

Let's do number eight.

[Tyler]

Okay.

[Woman throwing 40th birthday wedding party]

I'm about to walk down the aisle and this moment is for every little girl and every 20 something and every 30 something that waited their whole lives to get married and maybe it didn't work out and they still wanted to have this moment. So it's my 40th birthday tonight and I decided to throw a wedding birthday in the British countryside in a manner. It's this huge estate, it's straight out of Downton Abbey. And I had this moment where I thought, I am the first woman in 300 years that has rented this house for herself and celebrated herself.

[Jack]

I'm gonna object in general. One, probably not. Two, you just shouldn't do a party to celebrate yourself in England. I think it's self indulgent.

[Tyler]

Number one. I would say probably not.

[Jack]

Even if, even if she was married and everything, I think it would be incredibly self indulgent to just throw a party for yourself. Turning 40 or 50. I think ideally you'd have a spouse and they would organize it and throw it for you. Or it could be your friends would do it. There's ways to do it. But in general, you should not throw parties that are just I am awesome.

[Tyler]

I just like, I miss like an ethic, a value system in which people just get old and they don't make it about themselves. Like, like old people acting old. Yeah, like just, just do something more conventional. And it's so refreshing now when you just see like old people becoming adults and then they like think about the

[Jack]

image we have of grannies, you know, loving Grammys and they all still live on a farm they're making.

[Tyler]

I was thinking about this.

[Jack]

Think about how that's all going to Vanish when your 75 year old grandma has tattoos. Tattoos and fake boobs and like social media posts that are still out there of her being a bad girl at 22.

[Tyler]

Seriously, I, I was thinking about this the other day. So when I was a kid, when you, we were all kids, think about your grandma, they had like bobbed hair. Like some of them dyed them, some of it was just gray. And like those women that are now that age now, they've got like long hair, it's dyed. They're. They've Got work done. They're, like, trying to look as young as possible. Our granny, our grannies, like, literally just look like old, old ladies. And it was great.

[Charlie]

That's like, the Golden Girls thing is like, they were, like, in their 40s, and they look like, literally, like, to us, like, they look like.

[Jack]

I am really liking. I am noticing the Golden Girls are,

[Charlie]

like, literally in their late 40s, and some of those. Those. Those ladies, they're like. We thought they were like.

[Tyler]

Is that true? Okay, so, okay, the characters were in their 50s and 80s. Blanche was roughly 53, Dorothy and Rose were 55, and Sophia was 79. Oh, wow. Which one was Sophia? Oh, was Sophia the, like, really, really old one?

[Charlie]

Yeah, yeah, man, that was like the mom.

[Tyler]

She wasn't that old.

[Charlie]

But, you know, I was thinking about with this whole thing is like, how. How offensive it also is to the women who. Who don't do this, right? Like, they have enough self respect. That's like.

[Blake]

Wait, speaking of Golden Girls, we have to. We have to say the great connection that. So you know who. Do you know who the son of the creator of the Golden Girls is?

[Charlie]

Scott Adams.

[Blake]

Close. Actually, it's not Scott Adams. No, it's Sam Harris.

[Charlie]

Oh, really? Okay, interesting. Wait, wait, I want to finish my thought. I want to finish my thought on this. So the women who. Who look at this and it actually, I think this is part of the mental illness that makes women feel bad on social media. So you have one woman throwing herself a birthday party that is meant to replicate a wedding. There's plenty of women out there that are unmarried for. Maybe it's not their own choice. Maybe they just. I mean, I know lots of people. Good people.

[Tyler]

Yeah. Couldn't find the right guy.

[Charlie]

Couldn't find the right guy. Whatever. I feel really bad for them, but that person seeing another person do something like this, I feel like makes it worse for all those people. To me, it's like. And this is the same thing with the social media generation. This is like the Disney adult thing. This is about, like, people who do the, you know, perfect perfection vacation thing that they put on social media, even though, you know, that's probably not true, or the perfect house thing or whatever.

[Blake]

Like, do you remember. Do you remember hanksgiving? Remember we did that a while back was the hanksgiving that they all had together. It was like Thanksgiving, but it's Tom Hanks. Yeah, the same. Same thing.

[Charlie]

But it's just like. It just like, to me, it's just like, I don't think it helps society in general, like doing these things. And again, it's a free country, like do whatever you want. But like, like there's a bunch of women who follow this woman. She's probably got friends, she probably has a social media following. That's part of the reason why she's doing this.

[Tyler]

And it's like this whole, like, it's this whole trend, you see it with like shout your abortion right? Where there's actually shame over something and they're trying to reclaim something that makes them feel shameful to like be like, I'm just gonna buck the trend and screw the tradition. And I'm gonna, I'm gonna be loud and proud even in my shame.

[Charlie]

That's a perfect transition to our.

[Jack]

What if one of them does a like wedding level $80,000 party for their abortion?

[Tyler]

That's pretty sick. I bet it's happened actually. Because you gotta understand like the human condition. We sin and therefore we have shame. And if you're not a Christian, there's no mechanism to get rid of that shame. And so you try and invent human celebrations or institutions to remove that shame from yourself. So that's all this is. Actually, it was interesting. I was having this back and forth. Jack, you know Lisa Booth, right? She's Fox News. So she was kind of, she went on this whole thing about saying that the problem with the right is that we make marriage and family feel like obligatory. So if you are not that you, you feel ashamed or you feel like you're out of the club. And if on the left, they demonize married marriage and abortion so they don't. She, her point was that there's a bunch of women that don't feel like they belong to either camp when it comes to this issue. And then. But I think that there's a lot of people that have kids that feel like by the liberal progressive society, they have to feel ashamed or they have to hide their joy or hide their kids or hide all the good things about their family. Because there's so many women in culture that aren't experiencing this. And so it's just. I don't know what the answer is exactly, but to me it's like if we don't lift up the ideal, you're gonna have a bunch of people like this 40 year old crazy lady that goes flies over and spends a hundred thousand dollars on a fake wedding for herself. Because.

[Blake]

Yeah, no, that's exactly right. And, and it's like, again, I mean this, I'll like defer to, to, to the man himself, but CK Used to talk about this a lot. He said it's, it's not about like forcing anyone to make any one decision or, or another. It's just talking about what is the greater societal good. And we see through study after study that that marriage, two parent household, that with the mom and a dad are always the best outcomes for society. And so if our government or our political movements are going to push for certain things, we should always push for the things that we know are the most beneficial. Pro social things. That is a general goal. That doesn't mean it's like every person has to fit.

[Tyler]

I have a Catholic question for you on that kind of same thought. Does the Catholic Church have a strong position on surrogacy? Like they don't like it.

[Blake]

I mean, I can't imagine they're for it. I would have to check.

[Jack]

Catholics don't even like, don't. They don't like IVF either.

[Tyler]

Do they have a position?

[Blake]

Yeah, Catholics are against IVF to begin with.

[Tyler]

So they would, so they would have, they would have a strong position on like a gay couple adopting a kid too.

[Jack]

Oh, 100 against.

[Tyler]

Because they're against.

[Jack]

Well, they're against every level.

[Blake]

Yeah, just double check. I didn't want to like speak be out of turn, but yes, the Catholic Church strictly opposes all forms of surrogacy, using it as a grave violation of human dignity, the integrity of marriage and the procreation process.

[Tyler]

I feel the same. I get really weirded out with surrogacy and I can't like. And I, I. It's like one of those things where you're like buying a child. Yeah, it's weird. There's something weird about like renting a womb. I just find it, it's weird.

[Jack]

I mean, with IVF, the biggest objection is that you basically make 10 human lives and throw nine of them away.

[Tyler]

A bunch of them.

[Blake]

The truth in 20.

[Jack]

The church would still dislike it if you could just make one. And because they don't like the means.

[Tyler]

What if you were like, hey, we're gonna implant 10 embryos, fertilized embryos. And if you have 10, you have to keep all they still. What if you commit as a good Catholic to saying, I'm gonna take all of them.

[Jack]

It's less bad because you're not throwing lives away intentionally. They still don't like it. The church's position is quite trad where basically you should only have kids. Kids by like the proper natural, the old school way. Yes, they're still okay with adoption, but

[Charlie]

yeah, I think I think part of the theory with that is that there's so much. Isn't it just like the holiness of, of the, the system that God gave us? And playing God with these things, it's kind of viewed as playing well.

[Blake]

And it's, it's, it's also, it's. So that's part of it too, but it's also about how, how the church always. Has always positioned that the procreative act should take place within the confines of marriage. That the point of marriage is procreation and children and that act of the bringing together of the mother and the father through marriage and through procreation. And so whenever you're, you know, abrogating that process somehow or, or. Or, you know, sidestepping it or whatever it may be.

[Charlie]

So you're telling me, Jack, you could have a 40th birthday party, pretend to get married, and then have a kid without ever having sex?

[Tyler]

Wow, that is the liberal way.

[Charlie]

That is the. That is the sex in the city.

[Tyler]

You will own nothing.

[Jack]

Before we abandon this topic, I'm looking at the New York Times article and there's something very funny. I see. Which they talked to some woman who does consulting for these wedding style 40th birthday parties.

[Tyler]

Oh, so this is a trend. It's not just her.

[Jack]

Yes, yes. There's a consultant.

[Charlie]

It's a real thing.

[Tyler]

Yeah.

[Jack]

And she says because the planning process is more streamlined than a wedding, and such events generally cost just 10 to 30% of a typical wedding budget. So hear me out. Here's an idea. You're planning to get married, but you tell them it's either a 40th birthday fake wedding or a divorce party. Get all the stuff for wedding related things, but you get it cheaper because you didn't say the W word. That doubles the price of everything. And then bamo, switcheroo. You have a clergyman there and you bring it. Yeah.

[Charlie]

You bring a guy.

[Tyler]

Do you want to know? It's weird. You want to create. I don't know why this didn't make it to thought.

[Blake]

Wait, wait, wait.

[Charlie]

No, wait.

[Blake]

Can I. You know, funny.

[Tyler]

Oh, no.

[Blake]

I was gonna say it'll be funny. Is. Is what if you're having one of these, like, fake marriage parties, but you hire the guy, right. Who's. But it turns out the guy's like actually ordained in the state that you're having the party in, and you accidentally get actually married at like the f. Fake marriage party, and you're like, wait a minute.

[Jack]

That sounds like a terrible 90s.

[Tyler]

I was gonna Say it sounds like rom com. Sounds like. Yeah, no, it's like Jason Bateman in this.

[Jack]

Like, it would get increasingly convoluted and for like, some dumb reason, they are required to also live together for a while.

[Tyler]

Okay, hold on. I have to take this. It's gonna. Oh, I have a real.

[Charlie]

I have a really important point. I'm sure, and I'm sorry to offend all the women there, but no man would ever do this.

[Tyler]

No, of course not. Oh, wait, a gay man would.

[Charlie]

Okay, okay. Well, no, no streaming.

[Jack]

It'd be a different type of party.

[Tyler]

Yeah. I mean, speaking of which. But did you know this?

[Charlie]

But. But this is like. But that's also. It's like what's feeding the egos of women in America today where they like, feminism. It's the feminism. It's social media, boss.

[Tyler]

Babe, you can have it all, even if you don't have it all. Hey, so did you guys know that Minneapolis is. Is thinking about bringing back bath houses for the first time after a 40, nearly 40 year ban?

[Jack]

You really wanted to get into this?

[Tyler]

No, I mean, look. Well, it kind of made me think about it. We started talking about gay couples getting. Doing adoptions. They're. Okay. So just to put this, like, in perspective, they believe in like, unlimited Muslims, unlimited Somali fraud, pirate people. Bathhouses and bath houses like Minneapolis. And it's like George Floyd, and they

[Jack]

really are our most Canadian.

[Tyler]

They are the most Canadian city in the. In the country.

[Jack]

Adult bath houses were a component of nightlife prior to the advent of the AIDS crisis in the 1980s, which led to the passage of numerous ordinances banning them among virtually all U.S. urban areas. Imagine that.

[Tyler]

Yeah. In 1988, Minneapolis passed an ordinance to ban bath houses. There were three bath houses that existed in the city. Hennepin Baths, Locker room baths, and Big Daddy's Bath House.

[Charlie]

Big Daddy's Bathhouse, all of them closed

[Tyler]

prior to the banned locker room. Baths was known as the 315 Health Club at the time of closure. Why were they banned? After the first positive HIV test in Minneapolis in 1982, concern grew about the spread of the virus.

[Charlie]

So wait, so let me get this straight. So. So bath houses were pretty much the only place you could go because it

[Tyler]

was so gay men just had sexual encounters at the bathhouse.

[Charlie]

But being gay back in those days was like, it was very taboo, like, by cultural standards. Part of the reason why bathhouses existed was because it was so taboo within the community to like, just like, go, like, be gay in public.

[Tyler]

Well, this.

[Charlie]

Yeah, that's why they had those? Well, I think it's part of it. I mean, I think it's a. I

[Jack]

think they also have.

[Charlie]

Where you met men.

[Jack]

Yeah, well, men. And then also they would have those parties and they would have sex with them five minutes after meeting them. That's kind of distinctive behavior.

[Charlie]

Well, that's that true, but that's also like pretty, pretty common in the gay community. But like they just meet and hook up and it's a big hookup culture. But here's my question. Is because they have so many immigrants coming to Minneapolis, is that the reason why they're reintroducing bath houses? Because it's so, it's, it's so taboo within these immigrant cultures to be gay that they need the bath houses?

[Tyler]

I don't know. I think it's just they're going so far left and like HIV is not the fear that it once was. Right. Although, you know, then it's going to be monkeypox.

[Jack]

Just to make sure people get angry. Did you know that the. A lot of doctors. So do you guys know about antibiotic resistance? Yeah, like, we're not supposed to just, just take antibiotics all the time because it's resistant to them. And then we're going to get new superbugs and that's why we have TB that resists it. Did you know that a lot of doctors will just kind of put gay men on antibiotics, just a regular dose of them. Like it's, you know, taking a daily aspirin because. Yeah, because, you know, they're, they're prone to getting a lot of diseases and, you know, we wouldn't want them to get diseases. So we'll just, we'll just chip away at our antibiotic resistance so they can keep going to clubs. Another thing, did you know that the federal government will find like gay prostitute drug addicts and stuff who are at high risk of contracting HIV and will give them free prep, which is the AIDS kind of HIV blocker. Prophylactic, keeps it from developing it. Aids, which costs many thousands of dollars a year to take. I think a few years ago it was like $35,000 a year or so. But it might, it's probably less by now.

[Tyler]

Does it make it. So you don't contract.

[Jack]

Makes it harder to contract it. But it also, even if you have it, it kind of keeps it. It makes it a manageable chronic condition instead of a death sentence.

[Tyler]

It reminds.

[Jack]

But they will just find people vulnerable to this and the federal government will pay that many thousands of dollars to give it to them for free.

[Tyler]

The federal government's still doing this?

[Jack]

Yes.

[Tyler]

Wild. It's like that.

[Jack]

Tax dollars at work.

[Tyler]

It's like that California law where you. It's like no longer a crime or something that's downgraded if you knowingly spread hiv.

[Charlie]

There's so many, so many analogies to things that happen in Lord of the Rings with that.

[Jack]

Ready Set Prep is a federal program that provides pre exposure prophylaxis medication at no cost to individuals without prescription drug coverage.

[Tyler]

So these guys are just like man whores taking advantage and they get paid by the federal government?

[Jack]

Yes.

[Tyler]

Geez Louise. Does President Trump know about this? Actually, he's like, he's like weirdly pro gay.

[Charlie]

The government frogs.

[Tyler]

He's a New York City guy. I love this article I was reading, by the way. It says adult bath houses are community spaces historically frequented by gay men where people could also engage in sexual activity or relax after going out to the

[Jack]

bars or relax or.

[Blake]

Do you guys ever been to a bathhouse?

[Charlie]

No.

[Jack]

The bros.

[Tyler]

Thank God. I mean, I think I've been like, is there a difference?

[Charlie]

Jack was in Eastern Europe. Was it Eastern Europe?

[Blake]

It was in Hungary. Yeah.

[Charlie]

Yeah.

[Blake]

It's different, I guess like central Europe. So I've been, I've been a bathhouse in Budapest.

[Tyler]

Yeah. But it's. Isn't it different in the culture surrounding it? Is. Is different or is it the same?

[Jack]

It depends. Some. Some are gay stuff and some are.

[Blake]

I mean this is like when you go to Budapest, like bath houses and you know the. It's like. Yeah, it's like a hot spring thing. So like you go in and it's, you know, it's co ed. So like I went with Tanya and it's.

[Tyler]

It.

[Blake]

I don't know, it's kind of like going to like a community pool. But it was in like a. Yeah. You know, it's like a hot springs kind of deal. So like they have that. They have it Idaho as well. They have like hot springs. You can just go to the coolest one.

[Charlie]

You know the phrase in Russian, Jack, that they say, say for the bath houses?

[Blake]

No.

[Charlie]

Sloim param.

[Blake]

Slim param. What is it?

[Charlie]

It's like, it basically translates to like have an easy steam or have a nice steam. Okay.

[Blake]

Oh,

[Charlie]

there is say that to people when they're. They're going to say slow.

[Jack]

Considered the coolest thing in. Since he does mention it. In Budapest they do have a giant bath house. It's the session bath houses. And it's like looks, it's from the 1800s. So it's this big palace, you know, with bell architecture.

[Tyler]

Should bring it. Get a picture.

[Jack]

And what's cool about it especially I went to Budapest in February, so it was cold out. But it is a mineral bath. And so is that the one that's

[Blake]

like the out Blake is that big outdoor pool.

[Jack]

And so if it's cold, it's still open.

[Blake]

But I know what you're talking about.

[Jack]

It's still 105 degrees or whatever the temperature is of a hot spring. And it's just steaming like crazy the whole time because it's cold out and just spraying it out.

[Tyler]

It's like a resort in the Bahamas or something.

[Charlie]

It's more of like again, that. That culture Eastern Europe is. It's. It's more of like a public pool.

[Tyler]

Yeah. This is not. This doesn't seem.

[Charlie]

It's more like public pools and like. And. And it's almost like. Okay, it's almost like a hot spring.

[Tyler]

Hold on. We have to transition. Even though this is. This has been the Gert. Gert been weird, but we have to try something. This could be awful. So we apologize in advance, but we're going to try something new here because we want to bring you guys into the culture of the office, actually. And Blake often comes up with random, bizarre, obscene. Would you Rathers. Oh, dear. He does.

[Blake]

It's true.

[Charlie]

I don't even know what this is.

[Jack]

This is an AI generated

[Charlie]

show.

[Tyler]

So would you rather. Would you rather Blake give us some. Would you rather.

[Jack]

You know, I have one. I'm just making up off the fly. Would you rather go to one of those newly opened Minneapolis bath houses and you don't have to do anything. You can just kind of sit there, but you have to sit there for the whole evening or go to one of these 40 year old single woman weddings.

[Tyler]

I'm gonna go to the 40 year old single.

[Jack]

What if it's really sad? What if she's like insanely unwell and

[Blake]

desperate going to the wedding?

[Tyler]

I'm going to the way I like anything to avoid.

[Jack]

There's probably free food at the wedding. So.

[Tyler]

That is a good point. Yeah, that's a good. Blake's weak spot. All right.

[Jack]

All right. So yeah, that was. That was.

[Tyler]

That was not that good.

[Jack]

That was a weak one. That was a weak one. So we actually had. There's kind of that. There's that classic one people have asked that's like, would you rather have. Have a gay son or like a kind of thought daughter. But I thought of a kind of we developed that into a more interesting one, I think. Would you rather have a sort of loose daughter or a loser son? Like, they're a big time loser, don't have a job, can't.

[Tyler]

Does my daughter grow out of it? Eventually?

[Jack]

And, like, we can't speak to that.

[Blake]

I would say that's a loser behavior for both, by the way.

[Jack]

100% is.

[Tyler]

So I would say, gosh, that is hard. Actually, I would say probably the daughter because I'm gonna, like, take her to church and try and help her.

[Charlie]

She never gets better, though.

[Jack]

She starts. She starts. She gets.

[Charlie]

She starts influencing others.

[Jack]

Yeah. She leads people at church astray. She has an affair with the pastor,

[Tyler]

so he's gonna pick the daughter because it's like.

[Blake]

No, I would actually say lose her son. I would actually say lose her son because I feel like. Like, I feel like that'd be easier to fix than. Than having a thought daughter.

[Charlie]

It never gets better, though, Jack. You just have to live with a loser son or.

[Blake]

No, you didn't say that. You didn't stipulate. It never gets better.

[Jack]

Would you rather I said I couldn't speak to that.

[Tyler]

Would you rather have a Canadian daughter or a. I don't know where I'm going with this after. Just wanted to make fun of Canada. I'm just thinking about the. What was it? The WWI gb.

[Jack]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Know. Gosh. M m. I. We can worry about that one later. No. So we got to split the chat. 1. Someone in the chat says they would take the loser son. Someone says I was the loser son. Okay, so that's. That's a good point towards getting better.

[Tyler]

See, you can't get better. But Tyler looked at me and goes,

[Charlie]

it never gets there.

[Jack]

All right, all right, look, the loser

[Blake]

son, the fail son can be fixed. I mean, look at Tyler like, he's. He's.

[Jack]

He's come so far, totally a related one. And this, this one, I think is really interesting. Would you rather have your daughter marry a Muslim? But it's like a totally normal marriage. They have their kids in wedlock, all of that, but she is married to a Muslim man. Or pump and dump, trashy single mom. You know, three kids, three different dads.

[Tyler]

What? Your daughter is the.

[Jack]

Yeah, this is your daughter. And both of them. And one of them. We don't even need to say three. It could just be what's like, she's just. She gets knocked up and abandoned by the dad. Baby daddies, or even just one. She gets knocked up and abandoned by the dad and she's a single mom. Or. Or marries a guy and has kids only. But is a Muslim.

[Charlie]

Practicing Muslim.

[Jack]

Yes.

[Tyler]

Yeah.

[Jack]

Avid Muslim.

[Tyler]

You go first on this one.

[Blake]

Come on, man.

[Tyler]

Is she a good advantage?

[Blake]

I'll say. I'll say in this, in my, in my case, because I feel like the gender doesn't matter on this one. You could say like sun and then, you know, multiple women or, you know, Muslim girl.

[Tyler]

Makes it worse. If it's like a woman.

[Blake]

I mean, it makes. It makes it worse, obviously. So wait, in. In this sense, are the single. Are they all. Are they all Christian? The. The single relationships or whatever?

[Jack]

Well, I would say. I. I would say if, if she's the single mom, you can assume she is either. Yeah, she's either Christian but not following the rules. Well. Or maybe non religious.

[Charlie]

But the other.

[Jack]

She.

[Charlie]

She's.

[Jack]

She's converting to Islam.

[Tyler]

Oh, she's converting to Islam. Oh, then I'll. I'll do the.

[Blake]

The singles every time. Singles.

[Jack]

All right. Or at least. Or would it make a difference if she wasn't Muslim? But he did raise the kids Muslim.

[Tyler]

That still. Still single.

[Jack]

Yeah, I think I, I've definitely got to go for that one.

[Tyler]

And didn't you have a buyer?

[Jack]

I had a couple.

[Tyler]

One.

[Jack]

Oh, man. What was that? Oh, I guess.

[Tyler]

Is that, Is that not.

[Jack]

I can't remember what the Brian Gnome one was.

[Tyler]

It was a good point. Anyways, this is, this is. I don't know if. Do you guys want us to keep doing. Would you rather.

[Jack]

I can do a one. I can do a weirder one.

[Blake]

No. Would you rather. Is a good. In fact, what we should do is we should open the Would you Rathers up to like the. The Rumble rants and so have we. What we should do going forward is have people like when we start the.

[Tyler]

Send your best. Yes.

[Blake]

You know, send us your would you Rathers and then in the last segment we'll, you know, we'll do them.

[Jack]

We've done a lot of musical themed ones, so I do want to do one on that. On that front because we talked about this.

[Tyler]

Would you rather see how he does this?

[Jack]

Would you rather get a new album from your all time favorite band? And just for the hypothetical, it comes out, it's at the peak of their quality from your point of view and it's a 10 out of 10 album.

[Tyler]

So it's new content.

[Jack]

Yeah. So yeah, it's new. So like let's say your favorite band was Guns N Roses. It comes out 1989 and it's 10 out of 10, and it's 12 new songs that are as good as any Guns n Rose songs ever. Or just get rid of your least favorite genre of music completely. So, like, rap disappears forever.

[Tyler]

Oh, would definitely get rid of the worst genre.

[Jack]

You would get rid of the worst. You don't need to listen to the worst genre.

[Tyler]

Yeah, but it's terrible for culture.

[Charlie]

There's so many bad genres, though. That's like, just getting rid of one doesn't really.

[Jack]

Yeah, like, you might get rid of rap, and then we just get the. You know, it's all R and B everywhere or something.

[Tyler]

R and B is actually great.

[Blake]

I'll take R B over rap.

[Tyler]

R B is phenomenal.

[Charlie]

I would take rap over R B any day of the week.

[Tyler]

No way. Yeah. Rap. Well, I'm thinking, like, gangster rap. I'm thinking, like, thug culture, Drill rap.

[Jack]

What if it was only, like, sub genre? So you could not get rid of all rap, but maybe only gangsta rap or drill.

[Tyler]

Got one here thing. Canadian. Mm I2. LGBTQIA plus or whatever it is. Daughter or AOC. Daughter.

[Jack]

That's the same thing. That is the same daughter.

[Blake]

Not even hard.

[Tyler]

I mean, she's a congresswoman. She's a congresswoman.

[Jack]

Yeah.

[Tyler]

So, I mean, it's not like, oh,

[Jack]

you'd get over it if your lib daughter became the president.

[Tyler]

I mean, that's. That is.

[Jack]

You'd be like, oh, this is so great. I'm so proud of my daughter who

[Tyler]

joined congress to pursue evil dang ludicrousness. 1. That is a deeper question than you probably intended. Yeah, I don't. I don't know. Like, I'm gonna vote against having a letter.

[Blake]

In general, it would be funny to say, what about, like, what if you switch it up and you say, okay, this doesn't really make sense, but, like, what a conservative child who is not successful but a liberal child who is successful at, like, liberal politics.

[Tyler]

I'm gonna go conservative child, not successful.

[Charlie]

That kind of took me to, like. I was actually right before you said that, I thought you were gonna say, this is. Would you rather have gay child who's conservative or straight child who is, like, ultra, ultra, ultra lib?

[Tyler]

How many grandchildren do they give me?

[Charlie]

They both give you the same amount.

[Tyler]

Wait, you said gay kid conservative? No, I was asking how many of

[Charlie]

the gay child who's ultra conservative or a straight child who is ultra lib. And they never change.

[Tyler]

But I could never change their grandkids. I could convince the grandkids they both have grandkids no, no. I mean, I'm saying I could. Even if you have a lib child, you could get the grandkids if they're married and have kids and stuff like that. You could get them to be conservative.

[Charlie]

All their kids are exactly what they are.

[Tyler]

Wait, so the gay guy has kids and just they're gay? Conservative.

[Charlie]

They're all gay. There's a bunch of Scott Presslers.

[Tyler]

I'll take the lib.

[Charlie]

And then the lib kids are all the super lib.

[Tyler]

Scott Pressler's done a lot of good things. You know?

[Charlie]

That's what I'm saying. There's a lot of people who love, like, the gay conservatives.

[Tyler]

I don't know. I don't know. That's tricky. This has been fun. Do you guys like it? Do you want us to keep doing it? That's the question.

[Jack]

I can come up with infinity hypos.

[Tyler]

So, like, there's something weird about Blake's autistic, like, hey, like, dartmouth brain. That he just, like, this is what he does.

[Jack]

Would you rather get every single quarter anywhere in the world that's put into a Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles arcade game machine, of which there are several, or would you rather have the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles be real? Real autism alert. Yeah, I feel like. I feel like you don't have a soul if you don't want the Turtles to be real fighting evildoers in. In New York City.

[Tyler]

Listen, what does it profit a man to gain the whole world but to lose the Ninja Turtles? Exactly.

[Jack]

A lot of people I know, they just pick the. They just pick the money.

[Charlie]

I love Ninja Turtles because they're the only real legitimate superheroes that aren't from a major company, like comic wing that have survived in America.

[Tyler]

That's interesting. I hadn't even thought about that. True.

[Charlie]

They're, like, the only ones that actually, like, are, like, celebrated. And you, like, you.

[Tyler]

You understand the Ninja Turtles. Like Jack understands the Beatles.

[Charlie]

Oh, Ninja Turtles. Ninja Turtles.

[Blake]

However, though, isn't. That wasn't. Weren't the Turtles technically supposedly based off of Daredevil?

[Charlie]

Yeah, who cares?

[Blake]

It was the same. The same mutagen that gave Matt Murdock his powers was also the. The. The accident that led to them, you know, converting.

[Jack]

It started as a parody. It's a parody sense.

[Tyler]

All right, but listen, we got a wrap. Jack. This has been fun, you guys. Has been fun. Jack, take us home.

[Blake]

Ladies and gentlemen. Go out there and commit more thought crimes.