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Jack
from the age of big brother if
Blake
they want to get you they'll get
Jack
you dnsa specifically targets the communications of
Blake
everyone they're collecting your communications ladies and gentlemen welcome to this week's edition of thought crime thursday we are here it is an audacious week an auspicious week i am in a button down but i am not in a jacket normal i ever be norma as is tradition now andrew carter is here andrew there were some comments that it looked like you were in a jacket last week
Tyler
now andrew shut up i was giving
Blake
you the benefit of the doubt it looked like a windbreaker no no jack
Tyler
jack andrew showed up for this show just a few minutes ago with no shirt on and only a jacket jacket
Andrew
that's not true that's and we were
Tyler
like oh dude you got this totally
Blake
wrong savage kind of thing you're supposed
Tyler
to wear no jacket and a shirt he got it backwards he was wearing no shirt and a jacket i'm confused
Andrew
i'm dyslexic oh you got it backwards i did come in with a jacket so here's the thing so i don't wear jackets very often and it's funny because i think people just assume i do because of the show but i come to work and i have an outfit on and i don't have a second outfit i don't have like a wardrobe i'm not like some diva that has like multiple wardrobes i'll never forget
Jack
actually so you just deliberately always bring it in here to well i get
Andrew
cold because they keep this place like a fricking icebox because all the studio equipment anyways so yeah i'm in my t shirt this is this is what i do it's you look like you got the swingers the nineteen fifties what
Tyler
golf shirt or something this is just a nice pacific somewhere shirt that was
Andrew
on sale there you go i try my best but you know it's funny when i talk about it go ahead
Blake
jack are you seeing what the white house just did no they just announced the existence of aliens oh i'm sure
Jack
all right yeah if they say so
Blake
can we can we pull this up whitehouse dot gov aliens yeah that's been
Andrew
that's been live for a while what
Blake
yeah they just send it to me now bro they walk among us yeah okay wow you guys seeing this the
Jack
us government has kept a closely guarded secret that you can tell is definitely real based on this obnoxious website they've made aliens oh this is gonna be about illegal aliens this is gonna be
Blake
about aliens have been walking among us
Jack
living in our neighborhoods they've shopped at
Blake
the same store daily lives i like
Jack
it they tended the same classes and they live seemingly normal human existences with one exception they do not belong here oh oh that was clever that was
Andrew
clever i like that millions arrived under the COVID of darkness and embedded themselves directly into our society truth is not countless presidents congress right here senior officials knew exactly what was happening three million
Blake
one hundred twenty nine thousand encounters i
Tyler
want to know how many i want to know how many real aliens are also on government subsidized wait scroll down
Blake
there's like a what is it alien arrest map live oh wow this is actually cool okay this is taking way
Jack
too long to load i don't have time to read all of this but
Blake
speaking of alien there's a live map so you scroll down and there's a live map of like arrests
Andrew
oh i
Blake
love this that have taken place and you can zoom in anywhere in the
Andrew
country on it look at texas it's like pure red in florida based man
Jack
you know speaking speaking of aliens we have to shout out most of thought crime's listeners for holding the line and not going to the new star wars movie the mandalorian and grogu which grossed a mere about one hundred million dollars in its first weekend which in modern
Andrew
inflationary star wars movie it did the same as solo yeah but it's been
Jack
about a decade but you have to
Andrew
change to inflation seven years seven years well yeah solo was at nineteen i think yeah so so solo but it
Blake
was the first solo was eighteen first
Andrew
release in seven years first theatrical release
Jack
yeah first theatrical release of anything it barely made one hundred million
Andrew
it's like
Jack
half the debut of star wars episode three when you adjust for inflation and everything else but even if most of our viewers weren't holding the line it seems like there were a lot of defectors in our own studio hold on
Blake
hold on let's let's let's let's at least let's at least take a second to say that congratulate and appreciate those who actually went along with the assignment boycotting this because mark hamill called for donald trump to be killed and of course by extension all conservatives this of course led to a you know we we saw something happen where a star wars super fan apparently beat to death a trump the guy who ran a trump house in san diego so i mean this was i did see that
Tyler
i'm i'm gonna play both sides you
Jack
didn't see that i no i did see that i did see that that some guy had a trump house and a guy a guy in a literal star wars shirt brutally like beat him to death beat him to death on
Blake
the street like an elderly man was
Andrew
he like inspired by mark hamill i
Jack
don't think he's inspired by mark hamill but he was probably inspired by being a star wars fan he's probably inspired
Blake
by i mean it's it's pretty pretty one to one like mark hamill says go kill trump and he goes and finds like a guy who runs a trump house and beats him to death
Tyler
look i'm going to play both sides of this debate i did live by the commitment to not go see it and that was a tough commitment to keep because i am actually i like star wars and i actually think so that jack's totally wrong about star wars in general and his hatred for star wars is terrible and it's anti american and so many different things but here's what i will say no i mean
Blake
i'm just against lg people who want
Tyler
to let him finish so i live by it i didn't go see mandalorian and grogu but i'm gonna defend andrew
Andrew
because you outed me already i'm gonna
Tyler
defend andrew for doing this and breaking the creed because there's only so much time you have with your kids and if that's your time that you have was just last week you know i don't think it's up to hollywood or jack posobic to dictate when you can use your free time with your children
Jack
so that's what we have to announce everyone andrew saw the mandalorian he didn't just see the mandalorian he went to like the special sit down like dine in theater he says he was telling us it might be his favorite movie
Andrew
ever made that is not true are
Blake
you sure i don't know what did
Andrew
you eat what did you eat i ate a burger okay yeah wait which
Tyler
dine in movie theater was it no
Andrew
free ads it was just be will be vague but it was central phoenix area so here's what central phoenix you
Tyler
went to the bluest part of the
Andrew
state too i mean it is what it is we went to the bluest
Jack
part of the state i don't even know that to view basically the given republicans how did you feel during the scene where the mandalorian how did you feel about the scene where the mandalorian turns to the camera and he says we need to work together to win back the white house in twenty twenty
Andrew
eight this is maga country yeah yeah
Jack
like the bad guy that i will
Tyler
say this the mandalorian and grogu made a huge mistake and i don't really understand why they made this mistake i
Andrew
don't like the graphic of the title
Tyler
no no in recent years the star wars the only thing that's really been successful in the star wars play has been them reintroducing hayden christensen into the into like different parts of the ip and people love that because he was
Andrew
hated and now he's like loved he was so bad but now he's loved he was the worst actor i've ever
Tyler
not like reintroducing darth vader and stuff into stuff has been has been like super super successful and and again i'm gonna i'm gonna use the spider man when they teased like intentionally made it try to make it secret that they were gonna do the multiverse thing and all the two previous spider men were gonna show up in the movie and then it got leaked and all of that it like hyped up the movie so much that like so many like you had to go see even if you were jack you would have and you were anti that you would have had to go see and be part of that there was no hype for this movie so there's nothing exciting there was no like special let me explain got leaked there was nothing it was just like this is just like an extended episode of the mandalorian yeah so
Andrew
let me explain what happened so my and i don't even feel like defending myself that much because i had a great time with my son and it was awesome and so like you know come at me my son had a birthday he turned six and he got we had a little party for him he got presents some of those presents people got him expecting him to like the mandalorian because that's just what people presumed so he gets a little he gets a little mandalorian figurine that he freaking loves he won't leave this thing alone he takes it all over the house when he's out in the yard he's got it in his hand so he starts like inventing all this stuff about mandalorian he finds out there's a movie coming out and he's like can we go please please please please and so anyways i show him like the trailer and he's freaking out so they beg me all memorial day weekend to take them to the movie i find a little pocket at time and i was like you know what i'm gonna take my son and my daughter to go see the mandalorian he was sitting so the dine in theaters they have these big seats you can like recline or whatever he's at the front edge of his seat the whole time and he's like he's like swinging his arms like get him get him having a blast i loved with my son and i so it's great i mean that's
Blake
why i said it jackson you the
Andrew
children are in trash you know i think you asked me if the movie was any good i was like i honestly couldn't tell you if it was that good my son loved it and i had so much fun watching my
Tyler
let me defend you jack's a hypocrite and you know why because he totally yeah he totally took his kids to disney to i think it was disney
Blake
world this is fake news for a long time tyler no that was you
Andrew
took your kids to disney world the
Blake
disney boycott that was prior to the disney boycott and tanya posted the picture late hey jack remember the same thing no jack tanya posted the picture late after the disney boycott began there's only
Tyler
like five there's only like five people in america who lead boycotts and you're one of them so you're saying you you didn't have the gumption to lead the boycott and then took your kids
Blake
to disney world no this is a pre boycott i know it's a pre
Tyler
boycott you took your family to disney
Jack
world this is like it was a
Blake
pre boycott photo no this is like
Tyler
insider this is basically insider true the guy who runs boycotts took his family to disney world and then led the boycott after knowing that he was gonna and then just to rub it in all our faces it make me feel
Andrew
bad it's like it's like pulling off
Blake
which is really which is hilarious because this is from like what four or five years ago yeah where there was this whole media like freak out on me because of this because i was like leading a disney boycott over
Andrew
crazy
Blake
stuff what yeah one of like the lgbt they were doing but it was like the first one and i called for a disney boycott but then tanya of course like not paying attention to what i'm doing on twitter decides to post our disney photos from like a month before like at the same time so they're like what sovik is at disney while he's like calling for a boycott of disney actually funny enough i
Tyler
can remember insider trading i think i
Blake
remember the actual day we were there because it was like randomly enough it was the day that the ukraine war started in twenty twenty two so i think i think that's like the very day that we went there it was like that day or the day after was was when we were there and i remember noticing that like everybody's still at disney and like nobody's yeah nobody seems to be really jack so we
Andrew
can control your woman so so so i'm kidding i'm kidding children run his
Blake
house the situation child power i'm sure
Andrew
you had a stern conversation children run his household it's very clear listen i had a great time with my son
Blake
so by the way my kids my kids know how to make fun of the kids who like star wars like we mock them in our household we deride them we talk about how inferior they are we talk about how their parents don't you talk about how you're
Jack
better because you went to the star wars st before the boycott my kids
Tyler
do that with lord of the rings
Andrew
i see i never ascribed to the boycott first of all i don't think i was on that episode of thought crime and i was not i wasn't so i i listen here's the other thing i would say this has been a ten february john favreau directed this and i thought he did a pretty good job on the mandalorian and it's not like wussy stuff he's like a masculine director who actually understands really like
Blake
can we show the picture of pedro pascal when he was on stephen colbert
Jack
i mean masculine director we should show a picture of john i always farvo because it's spelled exactly like swingers baby come on i don't i've never heard of this movie actually but i've always
Andrew
said you've never heard of swingers no what well first you've heard of swingers
Jack
right okay well you're mad i haven't heard of this movie that gross four million dollars in ninety six a year when i was well aware of it
Blake
but watching power rangers maybe i saw
Andrew
it but like forever ago anyways well
Jack
anyway i've never heard this anyway i actually also saw star wars but not the mandalorian i saw the return of the jed at the phoenix symphony orchestra with a live symphony which i will say excellent i will say i went on friday night this time i'd gone to the prior two original movies on saturday and sunday and you could definitely tell there was a different crowd at the opening performance of this it was
Blake
a slightly wait what did you see
Jack
definitely saw more people in costumes the funniest thing i saw there was a
Andrew
woman jack wants to know what you're talking about right now oh i saw
Jack
i saw return of the jedi and
Blake
no you said but you saw other original movies what what original so no
Jack
original so i saw empire strikes back and a new hope they've done each
Blake
of the trilogy though is like almost
Andrew
impossible to find the original original oh yeah and that was part of the
Jack
cgi yes this one had that it had the terrible yeah it had the terrible pop star that's singing you know yeah i hate that yeah they kept that it was unfortunately the full george lucas they had to do that but
Andrew
make money off true story true story
Jack
because i don't know why the true
Tyler
story why don't they fix that now because so much better now it's like why can't they just make that better
Jack
now let's just not let's just undo all this undo all of this but since it was opening night there were more people in costumes more people in strange t shirts more people who are of various spherical death star shapes i saw a mom with her daughter and i'm not making this up she was basically in blackface because she was dressed she was cosplaying as an ewok and so she had the ewok hat which is kind of orange that the wicket is the name of the ewalk character but then she she painted her whole face dark brown and it was basically
Andrew
jimmy kimmel yeah it was yeah it
Jack
was basically it was basically blackface and i got a big kick out of it i don't think i was offended
Andrew
so i apologize jack but worth it so that's how it is i didn't get him a bud light or something
Tyler
so i'm gonna i'm gonna say right now i'm gonna go watch the movie with my my kids but i it's
Blake
literally it's literally the bud light of
Tyler
movies i i know but this is this is the thing is like i've heard it's terrible actually it's not bad
Blake
no i've heard it why not go
Tyler
see michael but here's the the favreau
Andrew
the argument the kitty diddler i'm just
Tyler
kidding so i saw michael i saw
Blake
michael my take the one who was falsely accused my take on my on
Andrew
the mic still don't know what i think about that but yeah my my
Tyler
what's obviously fake my take on on the michael movie was that it wasn't as good as everyone said it was but it was well made better it was well made but i thought so but anyways go back i still think with the favreau thing excuse me like he was like executive producer i think on like like a ton of marvel like good movies that like every single one of those movies had like a major hook into it that had like like it was just chock full of what do they call them when it's like a set pieces no like just like a special thing that happens in it like that that's unexpected what they call twist not a plot twist no
Andrew
a jump scare it had something that
Tyler
they had a bunch of stuff a bunch of things in it and this movie has none of that yeah it's just very like a lot of straightforward yeah no no but it's just like an action straightforward there's nothing that's like the star wars cinematic the universe that star wars is in has so many different things in it now that it's actually criminal to me to not have any like secret things that are pop up in it that aren't easter eggs easter eggs that's the word there was like no easter eggs in this movie
Andrew
yeah well i would tell you that you know me and faz were having this conversation because it's like a lot of people like to crap on the movie it's not good or whatever it's like well okay but imagine kids it's a movie that kids would really get into and i had so much fun with my kids so i appreciate it for that i'm not like gonna do the full movie critic thing on it i don't you know it's a it's an action film in the star wars universe and tisk i know how about we do this is it going to break even that's a question jack that you might appreciate it probably still was successful so here's a quick clip of matt damon discussing it is actually how much a movie needs to make clip thirteen or clip three sorry clip three oh that's probably thirteen now let's do
Jack
clip three clip three clip three abort
Matt Damon
abort you're trying to get everybody spending
Blake
about what the budget was to make it to advertising because you got fifty of the theatre yeah because you split
Matt Damon
it with the the movie house right through the exhibit twenty five million dollar
Blake
movie to break even you got to
Matt Damon
make one hundred million dollars to publicize
Jack
like you're trying to so that movie that movie mandalorian cost about one hundred eighty million dollars so that would mean
Tyler
wait that costs one hundred eighty million dollars to make that movie but but
Andrew
and it's one hundred eighty million you
Blake
have to double that because of three
Jack
hundred sixty that's why that's why it's
Andrew
four times three hundred sixty which means you need to you need to make three hundred and sixty times two seven
Jack
hundred twenty million dollars to break even
Blake
seven hundred and twenty i don't think
Jack
this thing's gonna make seven hundred twenty million dollars unless china just goes gaga for baby yoda yeah wait is it
Blake
three hundred sixty times two or is it to break even or is it
Jack
one we were taking three hundred sixty times two because one they split it
Andrew
with the movie houses so if you bring in seven hundred because one hundred eighty times two seven hundred twenty million you take half of that as profit the movie houses take the other half so if you're gonna break even you need that much so i mean and there's no like dvd sales anymore there's
Jack
no dvd there's no the television rights you can put them on streaming platforms
Andrew
but that's not you could get it off of merch like a lot of mandalorian maybe baby but do they do
Jack
they get new merch out of this really they already had baby yoda came
Blake
out that's what i'm saying the merch already existed for this yeah but it
Andrew
would it would it doesn't have to be new merch has to be new sales yeah but think about help new sales think about my son got a action figure for his birthday party because
Tyler
somebody bought it listen listen i could
Blake
see my my my my people in my our area know not to bring that crap into my household i could
Tyler
be better than favreau at this than he is right now like think about if they would have introduced another another baby yoda or a child yoda did
Andrew
you know grogu is not baby yoda
Tyler
no i know it's not i know
Jack
but we call him baby i really don't care i don't know the lord
Tyler
i just don't care no but but imagine a sibling to baby yoda like think about think about when guardians of the galaxy came out and they cut down groot and then he turned into baby groot baby groot and it was regular groot and there was baby groot
Andrew
you're thinking about the merch when i'm saying characters in the storyline how do
Tyler
you run a billion dollar multibillion dollar franchise and nobody thinks about the merch and was like they produce no like your point is a really good point it's like they produce nothing in this movie that could be its own merch when baby yoda was introduced in the mandalorian that produced like the biggest boom
Andrew
in merch the only part that was kind of cool was that jabba the hut's like what i don't know it's like his son yeah is in this and he's like he's like a he's
Tyler
like an oh one's buying stuff which
Andrew
is really stupid yeah but it was like that's not what's kind of stupid
Jack
but it was a character who's famously a scary slug that just sits there and is like lazy and has everyone else yeah but now they fight now we have jacked you know squats five
Andrew
hundred yeah no like it'd be like five thousand but yeah so wait okay jack just so i'm clear if you just take the nine movies in the series right from the original four then the sorry four five six one two three and then seven eight nine which is your favorite of that or do you just like you're so boycott that you don't care or i mean i
Blake
i mean i will send you i will tell you that i just texted you the link to watch all the de specialized star wars editions from the originals so you can you know if you really want to you can watch
Andrew
genuinely the most important thing to me i cannot stand the like boo boo cgi from like what was it like
Jack
nineteen ninety eight i think because
Andrew
but
Blake
this is a fan a fan project and you can find it on archive so what the fans did was they went in and they like upscaled you know to like i think it's this is seven hundred twenty k or seven hundred twenty p rather you know to make it look crisp you know on a on a modern screen but also preserving the original of the original series which yes so the like if i were still watching star wars i would watch the original originals i would not
Andrew
be watching which one of those is
Blake
your favorite i would not be watching the lucas edited editions with like the ewok eyelids or han shooting second okay
Jack
or anything you're evading the question here what's your favorite yeah i just said that no no your favorite film not
Blake
your favorite these these are the ones i'd be watching if i were watching
Andrew
which one of these three which episode
Blake
oh which one of these three i don't know i never thought of it i i guess probably jedi i'd have
Andrew
to say jedi that's my favorite i'm
Jack
i'm an absolutist the original star wars film is the best one and it's actually i would say new hope a new hope but i'm just i just call it star wars most of the time because i think that's the only one that's actually a transcendently great film i think that is a genuinely great film start to finish every scene is good amazingly edited amazing scored caboose what's
Blake
the best standalone i like the just just to give the answer i like the on jedi i like the story of redemption the story of like atonement redemption yeah you know a lot of a lot of christian themes i like
Jack
that back on that i think the story of redemption in star wars is actually kind of bad it's it's bad in the sense it's presented in this bizarre facile way that almost doesn't make sense so first of all all we've know of vader is that he goes and he commits genocide and does insanely evil things and chokes people and then you show up in return of the jedi and luke just says i know you're still good father i know they're still good in you what why where is there any evidence that there's good
Andrew
in him there's been none but there's
Jack
there's just been no actual external evidence
Andrew
of this well there is if you
Jack
watch the first three and it presents rationalizing presents becoming a good person he just is watching his son get tortured to death and then he goes like no and then he grabs the emperor and throws him down the elevator shaft spoilers for everybody and then like oh he's now good and he's on the light side again i think a lot of bad art has come out of that like the presentation of good and evil almost like a light switch you're on the light side one moment oh bam you switch to the dark side and then you could switch back again comic books do this he didn't just
Blake
vam switch back when no i that you're like you're just like leaving out a lot of the plot of the movie what happened what does darth vader
Jack
do in that movie that's that's good other than other than throw the emperor
Blake
down very key things like he delivers his son to be tortured by the emperor the emperor starts torturing him it's through that torture that he starts remembering what his son says and then he goes and kills the emperor okay so
Jack
it's like it's like a light switch
Blake
suddenly is a good guy automatically switch
Jack
he's just a good guy again i guess he just all the and then and then we're treated this as his great redemption i don't think i would totally disagree i think if like i think if i think if like hitler had a son coming in with i think if like if i think if some guy like worked for hitler and saw hitler torturing his son and then suddenly threw hitler down an elevator shaft but that guy had otherwise run auschwitz i don't think we would say that that undid running auschwitz i totally disagree
Tyler
you're totally skipping over an empire when the interactions that they had together that led him to the moment of him like recognizing and reconnecting with his son yeah isn't there and identifying i mean the most the most famous line in star wars history is not in a
Jack
new hope and that's also bad i think that is everyone remembers that and yet that's also a sign of not just decline in star wars but decline in our pop culture as well which is let's make an out of nowhere plot twist that's kind of irrelevant out
Tyler
of nowhere of course it's out of
Jack
nowhere they only made it up for the second movie it wasn't in the first movie george lucas goes back and says oh i totally had it planned from the beginning george lucas is full of crap george lucas is making that up george lucas is making it up as he goes throughout the entire trilogy
Tyler
i totally think that that plot twist and the way that they were able to keep it under wraps for so long is like one of the greatest parts it's one of the greatest moments in american cinematic history is that they were able to keep that completely secret and again you talk about twists that's like what made star wars like a long lasting franchise it wasn't a new hope that was good and that made everyone go bonkers it was the fact that they followed it up with such a crazy plot twist that it basically forced america to like star wars unlike jack like real americans like star wars you have to like star wars if you want to actually consider yourself a
Jack
citizen it also it took us down the dark path which we remain on today of you have this giant universe where anything can happen and there's quadrillions of people in infinity planets and actually everything is just the family drama of one group of people that's actually like real life though no it's not in real life not everything is a family drama with one family or at least it wasn't like that until donald trump
Tyler
there's only so many families that people
Blake
care about tyler's tyler's dumping on me so i want to dump on him and he's like his like weakness in in not being able to actually like hold on to a boycott because like it's not hard you just don't give money to people you hate who hate
Jack
you especially if you already gave money to them right before announcing them i
Tyler
showed up today so that you could convince me to not follow the the path of the dark side with andrew and and go watch this movie i
Blake
held out a week in fact you're not watching it right now like you're you're you're actively not watching it there's
Tyler
nothing that's been said so far that actually makes me not want to watch
Andrew
this movie so here's here's homosexuality it promotes people who hate us so subtle hints what's the gay fighter still had good in him in a new hope they show hit that one scene there is a one the human vulnerability where they reveal vader's scarred face in the meditation chamber yes that is i believe
Jack
in this isn't that in the second
Andrew
no that's a new hope they show
Blake
like a movie that's definitely the second
Andrew
movie bro definitely second movie okay this write up says it's in the first
Jack
one is your write up generated by
Andrew
a robot on the internet so i
Jack
gotta watch out for the robots on
Andrew
the internet city duel vader dominates but doesn't kill luke that's also i'm saying that first second movie i'm saying the
Jack
first movie this is why i made
Tyler
my argument was empire the empires up
Andrew
for the second movie so so that luke you can destroy the emperor this is from empire strikes back you can destroy the emperor he has foreseen this it is your destiny join me and to together we can rule the galaxy as father and son yes all right so so protective but hesitant actions he wants luke to turn but stop short of lethal force at key points okay but episode so that so he's he's trying to bring him in okay this
Jack
is weak why ai generated bad arguments
Andrew
this is all good like and then luke this is the stuff you're talking about luke says i can tell there's good in you search your feelings father you can do this i feel the conflicts within you let go of your hate vader denies it but hesitation proves
Tyler
luke right yeah yeah so episode five is the best because because again it solidifies episode four as a if there's only two movies that ever get created it would be four or five five was a great follow up to a great movie which i agree is standalone is the best movies four but if it's not we're not talking standalone we're talking about a lot of different movies five starts to show the cracks in invaders sithness or whatever right and then six is just kind of like you expected that to happen even six they're
Jack
making it up like the whole like leia's luke yeah it's totally made up made it up on the fly you
Tyler
know this is like going into watch six again putting myself in the eighties i'm going in to watch episode six in theaters you're in the eighties it's
Blake
not called episode six it's called return of the jedi yeah return the jedi
Tyler
in the eighties right the third the third in the trilogy third installment you are expecting that vader turns in that movie yeah are you not i don't
Jack
know i didn't okay so what's the
Tyler
most exciting movie the most exciting movie is empire where it's like you were blown away your socks were knocked off you loved one two blew your your mind with that he's your he's his dad you're dying to go to episode or to the third installment of the trilogy and the trilogy delivers exactly what you expected it to do yeah i'm
Andrew
gonna have to agree with that so
Tyler
and then by the way the most the next most exciting moment in cinematic history in the star wars realm was in episode one and the poor guy that played jar jar binks got hated his entire life for something that he had to do like without jar jar binks you do not have the positives in that movie and it and at the time i remember going into that
Jack
jar jar was really making a hard
Tyler
sell here i'm just saying if there's if there's three movies in a row to like i agree four and five but four and five are a package duo you have to like them one or two or two or one like like that has to be you're either the the fit the fifth episode empire has to be your number one and and new hope has to be number two or vice versa but my argument would be the next best the next best moment actually comes in episode three not because the movie because the movie sucks except for the end part the last five minutes of that movie like it doesn't leave you you know what's
Blake
really funny actually just to talk about like how media is consumed differently today than when we were kids i i don't think i when i was a kid i'd only ever seen you know star wars and jedi i never saw empire until i was in like high school really and yeah because i i used to just like not you know rent it or was it because jedi
Tyler
was on tv all the time dude i remember jedi being like it would
Blake
be on tv or something and i would see it and like just the way the way that you would interact with media was so different because like you would turn it on and be like oh yeah i would watch the star wars for a while and then you'd watch this other one and then for whatever reason i just never watched empire probably until like ninety eight or so oh you know what it was when they when they released the the special editions which is right before the prequels came out so i guess it was like the twenties i watched them
Andrew
in the theaters i remember i watched the re releases in the theaters because they about it like lucas re releases the originals in the theaters with all this new cgi and i thought okay here we go and i don't think at the time i had the lens to see how bad it was but if you watch them back now it's like it's awful what can you imagine only watching star wars but only watching the dialogue jack only what are you
Blake
talking about that doesn't make any sense
Jack
that doesn't make any sense movie is
Blake
like basically not only star wars but
Andrew
media like that is an interesting segue then jack because that's our next topic yes the trend of reading dialogue instead of an entire novel all right blake
Jack
loves this idea i really like it so this this came out in a recent discovery this was a tweet i believe so throw up number four on screen but this was someone remarking on x the other day finding out someone says can we please normalize achievable reading goals thirty or more books a year is not common and then this other person ali b replied finding out that people on booktok that is tiktok book readers they skip everything but dialogue which makes reading thirty plus a year books make a lot more sense and let's see i think they said another thing and then someone goes but this is smart i hate all of the descriptions like i can't even envision it and it is boring although when i write i feel like like i need to add stuff like that in to make a good book crying face and then ollie v says that is not reading or writing the descriptions are the book and the person replies i prioritize character development and plot others prioritize prose declaring one real over the other is such a weird form of literary gatekeeping literary gatekeeping if you want people to read the whole book and not just this
Blake
makes so much sense and it's really
Jack
deeply revealing like no this explained like
Blake
dude this explains so much about what i've experienced deal you know doing like this kind of stuff and media commentary whatever on on content over the last funny enough so today i guess is my twitter anniversary my xiversary i've been on on twitter for fourteen years as of today and and you know people who know the backstory know that i originally got on to crap on the hbo game of thrones from the perspective of a book reader who was very upset about it and long story short we're here now and what's what's hilarious is that i used to encounter people like this all the time who were just filthy casuals who clearly like they would these we used to call them sjws back in the day but they were like these supporters of the characters like oh i'm a daenerys supporter or like oh i could never be friends with the stannis supporter i'm like what are you talking about like just just watch the show or like read the book like why do you have to like be on a side of a character or something like do you like it or not and i came to find that these people like saw themselves or saw characters as themselves rather than as their own you know a character that was objectively a separate individual and so this makes so much sense to me because we're dealing with people now and booktok is huge by the way it's all over the place you see it you see it everywhere when i talked about that that one show or that that one book series that got turned into a movie with sydney sweeney about killing your husband called the handmaiden or excuse me the housemaiden you know it house house made housemaid that like it it was a you know really rode the you know the book talk carousel if you will and that's what's going on they're not actually reading these things they're not meant to be fully read it's just like a oh here's what it'd be like if you killed your husband la la la la la and then women go out and like start thinking that way and start like hating i think there's a lot to
Andrew
that blake has read more books than
Blake
any of us this is so revealing
Andrew
to me blake blake but you read a lot of history i know and
Jack
it so it fluctuates a lot certainly in the number i can read so like this year i think i probably read like eleven or twelve books this year but they are pretty hefty i'm getting through i'm reading imperial china by
Andrew
fw mote yeah but what i'm saying is that is distinct from a fiction
Jack
true true i fluctuate a lot in how much fiction i read i've read because when you're reading it you kind of go on a streak and read a lot by one author or in one series i haven't read i read that i read cs lewis this year i read that hideous strength and perilandra so the later parts of his space trilogy those are all right i read i'm reading a big long novel about ancient rome which is like okay i'd say it's the masters of rome series have you ever heard of that one colleen mccullough just wrote went and wrote seven thousand page long books about ancient rome but they're all right they're all
Andrew
right yeah but could you imagine reading fiction and only reading the dialogue what would you miss i feel like you'd
Jack
miss a lot among other things you probably miss what's actually happening you miss like everything sometimes in a book they'll describe major events in the plot that
Andrew
are not dialogue i love that like the first tweet that you guys sent in the chat about this one was like what is happening what what what yeah like somebody's freaking out discovering that this is like a trend and by the way i feel like this is keeping up with the joneses energy like they want to be able to say oh i read all these books but you actually didn't read the books it's like you didn't actually do a thing and you want to claim credit for it and that to me is the most offensive part about this it's yeah you're missing the art you're missing everything but it's this weird drive to sort of say like i read fourteen books
Jack
or something and that gets into another part someone pointed out that in addition to people just skipping large chunks of the book the way a lot of these books are consumed is they'll just take an audiobook of it and they'll run it at one and a half two times three times speed as like constant background track of their life and
Andrew
you miss all the joy of a book like the only reason i like to read is because it's like i put the kids down and i sit there with a book and i i'm fully consumed yeah and i really don't
Jack
think anything can be read any other
Blake
way we don't count children's books quickly
Jack
is kind of a book not read at all if it's of any so
Andrew
she's like i got to count children's books in my book total in my
Blake
in my wait andrew's like i'm engrossed in this really big series it's called c spot run this is it's amazing he just he just this dog if
Andrew
i could count children's books in my book my book total in a year it would literally it would be in the hundreds i know right well the
Jack
funny thing is so many of these books they're reading even frankly even if they have graphic sex or like whatever stuff is a lot of them are still effectively children's books they are written at a child's reading level that's really
Blake
depressing very depressing it's actually a really good point too because if you i i did read housemaid and then it was very very juvenile writing very amateurish it's it's kind of like i guess this started with was that series fifty shades of gray where it was like a fan fiction of twilight that later became a you know like like book series in its own right and then a movie series in its own right where you just get this like really
Andrew
really just so no but this is
Blake
a big you know like grade school
Andrew
level writing it's a big concern because are we just becoming dumber as a culture and i think like the answer is undoubtedly yes which is troublesome it's problematic i want to we played one of these matt damon clips and so i'm going to play another one because i think it's really telling clip seven
Matt Damon
netflix you know standard way to make an action movie that we learned was you know you usually have like three set pieces one in the first act one in the second one in the third and you know you kind kind of ramp up and the big one with all the explosions and you spend most of your money on that one in the third act that's your kind of finale and now they're you know they're like can we get a big one in the first five minutes to get somebody you know we want people to stay yeah tuned in and can and you know it wouldn't be terrible if you reiterated the plot three or four times in the dialogue because people are on their phones while they're watching
Andrew
you know what i mean it's the
Jack
most it's really bad this is totally
Tyler
true though this is how i watch
Jack
movies though oh bad no you're this
Andrew
is how you do the show this
Jack
is this is the fall this is the fall of civilization in a nutshell and you're and you see it everywhere and i think we would be see
Tyler
this is this is how we this is how you plan the show for me is you get me drawn in the first part and then i and then i sleep through blake's part in the middle and then i show up
Andrew
at the end oh oh okay that's how it's gonna be well dude tyler's just throwing out zingers just banger after
Jack
banger well this is this is the fall this is the fall of civil civilization though it's as simple as that
Tyler
i totally just i i totally think that this is fine this is fine
Jack
yeah it's fine that we can't follow a plot or a book and people
Tyler
are so literate life is different yeah it's not about that it's about attention
Jack
yeah life is worse yeah life is worse and that is the fall of civilization in a nutshell it's not going
Tyler
back it's like like we're not gonna get rid of cell phones we're not
Jack
gonna like i know and eventually everyone will just implode we're not able to achieve great things anymore no i mean
Tyler
like it's gonna get worse yeah we
Blake
can achieve great things though because the movie michael is right there for all of us to see and it's amazing and everyone should go see it why
Jack
so what if okay i can understand not thinking michael jackson are you invested yeah you seem really invested are you
Andrew
invested are you financially are you financially
Tyler
tied to the success of michael look
Blake
at you conspiracy theorists like you're just trying to take away my joy you're just trying to take away my joy of of loving michael jackson no
Tyler
top
Jack
thirty favorite michael jackson songs no who
Blake
cares about that top thirty i don't
Jack
know about thirty no i bet you you have a list in your head
Blake
i can tell top five so i could here's here's here's the thing though is my kids will get home and then jack jack will be like like daddy can you put on thriller and i'll put on thriller and he starts like moonwalking throughout the living room or you know he'll put on we'll put on beat it we'll put on bad we'll put on whatever you know and he or billie jean obviously like man in the middle black and white black
Jack
or white you've already named more michael jackson songs than i could name we'll
Blake
put on no i mean he's legitimate
Andrew
you think i've always been a michael jackson fan you think you think michael was like a ten out of ten
Blake
movie no well it's it's it depends on what you're you're you're going for like the experience that we had was ten out of ten yes if you
Andrew
want to judge like mandalorian and grogu
Blake
super film critic hat on like i don't know if i'd go all that all the way in i just know that like in my family and cernovich was saying the same thing by the way that it's totally infected his household do and so like we're now both living like the michael jackson life where like it's like the music's on all the time the kids love it we love it you know it's just a
Andrew
good time yeah no that's cool but see i support that if that's your like
Tyler
can i say this about the michael movie i thought the michael movies i learned a couple of things like generally most americans know like way too much about michael jackson than they really
Blake
you do learn some stuff i think
Tyler
yeah i didn't realize how they had like i learned about and by the way i thought it was really cool how the family came together to really honor michael to make that movie and do all that and i thought i thought that was really tasteful it's his nephew yeah and it's his nephew that's
Andrew
that was really cool oh that plays
Tyler
him yeah is it so his actual
Blake
that's not cgi that's his actual nephew i mean yeah i think i'm sure he uses like a little bit of makeup or something whose son is it
Tyler
is it jermaine's son
Blake
shoot i think
Andrew
it's jermaine's straight out of compton where it was actually ice cube's son who played ice cube yeah that's cool i
Tyler
think it's cool like it tells a story about a family and there's a lot of heartache that's involved with her family like like and that that's cool and like everybody clearly disliked the dad and like they wanted to get that point across and like kind of sucks if you're a dad but the dad said such a jerk you know but like don't be a bad day like i mean don't be a bad dad is kind of a theme that comes out of that i thought it was really interesting that i didn't realize they had so many exotic animals just running
Andrew
around i didn't know that's either yeah
Blake
it wasn't just the monkey no they
Tyler
had like giraffes and all sorts of
Andrew
stuff like medieval that's kind of cool
Blake
that's kind of that was a kind of when we have it um my my aj will be like will be like daddy daddy get to the snake part i want to see the snake
Tyler
part well it for me like actually like one of the things i pulled away from it and maybe this is subconsciously for america hopefully was that like how cool is that like one of the themes that was in it too was that a family went from basically nothing you know to like living like quite literally the american dream and nobody nobody's like nobody like like psycho psycho leftists came out of that like you
Blake
want to work in a factory like
Tyler
me boy how dare they have safari safari animals like living on their property and that like but i thought that was pretty cool and i think that's
Andrew
a cool thing shay though that we like teach the american dream it's going to be through like you're going to be a rapper or an nba no
Tyler
but it played it but it played into this whole thing of like clearly michael jackson like in part one of the themes too in that movie was that like he never like he never progressed or grew up like he goes
Andrew
because kind of trapped he kind of
Blake
was trapped they show that yeah they
Jack
totally show that that he was like
Tyler
and i think that actually gave a lot more insight to a lot of the misnomers that people took that kind of claimed that he was like this this terrible person but he was like really like what they were saying is like this this guy was a kid since the time because the dad made like kept him in this kid zone that he never got to experiences i
Andrew
don't i'm not saying we're done with this topic but i do think this is a weird intro like we haven't this other topic talking about millennials and
Blake
gen z no it's an interesting segue
Andrew
yeah it' no we got we got to dive into michael jackson's dad definitely believed in corporal punishment well and then
Blake
and then so andrew you haven't seen
Andrew
the film right no i haven't and
Blake
they blame so this is a huge scene in the movie and you know spoiler whatever but there's a huge scene you know pretty early on where he he you know michael doesn't want to perform properly and this is back when he's like jackson five michael jackson like really young and before they've even taken off and his his dad he like talks back to his dad and he's like you're gonna show me respect and just pulls the belt off and just starts whipping him and they show it on screen and he's like freaking out he's crying and that's that's what tyler's referring to when he says it kind of you know it kind of shows you you know perhaps some of those forces and family dynamics that maybe well and you know made michael kind of like have this like childlike you know personality even as he grew up kind
Andrew
of well i think culturally like psychologically frozen there we heard these stories you know like and then i think as a culture we got away from spanking and apparently according to new study or new reporting i guess gen z is returning to this apparently can we see number nine put it on the screen shocking number of millennial and gen z parents spank their kids study says necessary to raise a child proper so go around the corner go around the horn i believe in spanking i don't do it very often but i've not opposed to doing it do you believe it
Jack
i see no reason to oppose it
Tyler
tyler no i i don't oppose it i think it's i i think it i think there's like anything limits yeah
Andrew
i don't believe in like just taking off your belt and whipping the crap out of your kid for like i
Tyler
think there's people that probably take like like it's a it it it's as close to like getting to child abuse like from a physical standpoint like you
Andrew
shouldn't you shouldn't well you can't do it in anger if you're gonna if you're gonna spank your child you need to be controlled you need to have your emotions like in check you can't be going like i'm gonna get like that's you could do some damage there actually psychologically but if you do it and be like listen i told you i'm gonna like so we do a thing in our house like i'm gonna move your body if you refuse to like come to me when we're asking i'm go you have one more option one more chance and then they either come or they don't and then if it escalates like well listen like you know so we'll do like soap in the mouth we actually do that oh wow okay i never ran into they they hate it or put like a little like a little like tabasco on their tongue they can't stand that it's like i think but but like so there's other ways to do it so we don't really spank that often but we do find ways to just like you know make make it so that they don't want to experience the accountability jack are you pro or against yeah
Blake
i think i'm more in your like the camp that you're saying there were like we don't like spank but there are lots of things that we do in terms of discipline i haven't i've ever done the tabasco thing and it's like i almost don't want to say this out loud but i just want to say that we i remember my parents doing that because i had a bit of a mouth when i was a kid and still do and definitely remember the tabasco in the song and i will just say i have not encountered a situation that necessitated it yet and you know praise god and and hopefully we won't have to but you know that's certainly on the on the list one thing that we do though is you know we definitely do push ups we definitely you know you do something wrong it's like dropping any ten
Andrew
and if you're not make them sit and playing for well and it's like
Blake
and if they don't it's more push up than plank but it's like if you don't go down far enough then daddy gets out the fist and you have to like go down and you have to get to daddy you like come all the way down you know we do you know timeouts obviously like that's a big one just a variety of things and depriving you know kids of things i think i think there's there's a lot you can do i'm not sold on the science i mean there's plenty of studies that are you know that show that that spanking is is like like really bad and and you know leads to like michael jackson style issues well that's what i'm saying
Andrew
you gotta do it i think there's other ways controlled but i don't think i i and to be fair i think some parents probably can't control themselves and do it in like kind of a dispassionate way i hate to say it spare the rod spoil the child so spare the rod spoil the child but we're assuming that's a physical rod it doesn't have to be it could be tabasco could be soap in the mouth but the point is you gotta discipline your kids like the bible says that god disciplines his children he loves
Jack
them right i think it's if it's gonna happen i don't think it has to i think if you're using it right it doesn't have to be done often but i think a child benefits from the awareness that their parents are capable of hurting them if they need
Tyler
to yeah i think it's important for kids to have a little bit of fear like i i think i got i think i got belted one time when i was a kid yeah and i don't think my parents i mean my parents were young are old gen xers and so i think gen x is kind of like known as like
Andrew
forty five of gen x admitted to
Tyler
spanking their children how much of millennials
Andrew
millennials so it's like the research revealed that when this demographic appearance was asked whether they had ever spanked their child or children with their hand about twenty
Tyler
said yes so millennials is twenty like boomers were probably like ninety yeah and
Andrew
excuse me yeah and did it have
Jack
boomers in there and no i just had gen x i bet boomers like
Tyler
legitimately it's like well over eighty percent
Jack
spank their kids it's just it i think so it's gone down better behaved than they were no they're worse yeah they're like worse and also just it's i'll just say it this way it's an overly it's like longhoused and overly feminized and i think that actually undermines the authority of parents a lot no
Tyler
let me say this without exposing like my family but i'm the oldest in my family and i have four brothers and sisters three brothers one sister and i definitely got i got belted at least one time maybe two like not like but it was memorable enough where it like i never wanted it to happen again but the kids in my family definitely didn't get like as time went on my parents yeah they always get softer softer and they didn't and
Andrew
i also think parents get better like i've become a better parent as i've my kids have gotten older and i think actually in truth i've used spanking way i think like my daughter probably was the only one if i'm actually thinking about it i think my daughter's the only one i've spanked is i got all i got better at being a parent and using other tools and understanding like how to avoid even having to get to that point so i think there's some of that i think there's an element you get softer you
Tyler
might just get better but i was just i was gonna say this is the point i was gonna make was that if the kids are close enough together and they observe the corporal punishment of like the one of them older then you don't need to yeah so like i think that i mean i was like for sure like definitely instilled in like my younger siblings like you don't want to get spanked so the threat actually became real because like they they knew that i was serious about it because it was like the look they could see in my eyes of like oh yeah you don't want that to happen to you and so you don't have to use it but if you if you don't do it at least once right like there's no threat i think i think i spanked my
Jack
son one i think my dad maybe did it once or twice and it
Andrew
was that that level so you don't like doing it yeah and he had
Jack
other ways here's the way to put
Blake
it together because you know i'm still kind of like you know you look i mean you could see all the studies out there that say that spanking in general like is is not is not good for cognitive development but those are done by lips it's true but at this university of texas no lives
Jack
ut austin okay that the the a
Blake
lot of it is like lack of creativity but but the problem though though i think though is that people saw that stuff and they thought like oh we have to go full in on like the therapy style like i'm gonna be my kid's best friend and i'm gonna do this and this whole like non confrontational parenting we're like i want my kid to trust me where i'm one of the i'm i'm one of the buds like i'm a cool parent and you know like i'm gonna give you a sip of beer i'm gonna give you a smoke a cigarette or whatever like it's it's it's really stupid and the and the issue that's now created with the unruly kids is that it's been too permissive and the kids don't actually have any boundaries when they're in that situation and so like you do need to you do need to drive back so i think if anything with what they're saying about the shocking rise is that i think that perhaps like some millennial and gen z parents are like okay you know the whole like talk therapy version of parenting is stupid so i'm going to move in the opposite direction but then they go too far in the opposite direction and
Andrew
then you create terrible kids so yeah i mean i agree i think actually like if you're reading the article and
Tyler
then your kids actually beat you yeah
Andrew
exactly once they get big enough but like you're you're right i think the article is like saying it's shocking still how many parents do this i think it's actually like to tyler's point is if there isn't an actual threat of it being real then it kind of loses its effectiveness it is like peace through strength parenting but yeah if you enforce authority and you firmly establish that they need to answer to you and that you're in charge at a very young age i do think that you can tend to keep those boundaries more established but there are going to be times where kids try and defy the parents you know like and i would say to your point on the oldest like my my daughter was she's great now she's like our easiest kid now but when she was kind of like spreading her wings and trying to establish kind of the boundary lines with us she was the hardest that we've had and so you know there needed to be a little bit of like set the pace here that's in theory like but maybe i just wasn't as good of a parent either because with the other ones i have so many more tools in the toolbox to kind of establish you know order in the house
Blake
can i can i can i introduce so here's my thought crime on this is and and it's something that i just don't see addressed in any parenting literature at all is that i think i think that iq plays a role in this i think if you have kids who are or you know people who are lower iq then perhaps you know perhaps this might be more effective and we certainly have talked about that in the legal process and and the judicial process and you know the lee kuan yew sort of version of corporal punishment for adults and i think with kids it's the same way like if you've got if you've got smarter kids if you've got kids that are more cognitively aware then the threat works better than the actual thing but if they don't seem to have that you know ability to put that all together then perhaps it is those ones that are lower iq where this is more effective because i like i have people texting me right now who are watching the show saying like oh you know i tried that and it didn't work like my kid just just kept you know was was like outsmarted me or not outsmarted but was smarter than the punishment and was like just kept going so you know you you you've got to find something that meets the kid but that's the thought crime is that you know it's not a one size fits
Andrew
all strategy well i thought that i experienced that with my daughter i basically became convinced that it was not the most effective discipline that we could mete out so here's this ut i guess ut austin study in the us seventy six percent of men and sixty five percent of women agree that it is sometimes necessary to discipline a child with a good hard spanking spanking seventy percent of mothers of two year olds report spanking their children by the time they reach which is interesting by the way so seventy percent of moms but only sixty five percent of women agree that it's sometimes necessary by the time they reach fifth grade eighty percent of american children report they have been spanked by their parents i don't know if i believe that i think a lot of children are like yeah me too anyways but according to unicef sixty percent of children around the world experience physical punishment from their parents this study basically i think think agrees with you jack that it's probably not the most effective you know spanking does not make children more compliant
Jack
let's remember i just don't buy
Blake
these things that phrase isn't actually in the bible of spare the rod spoil the child that's not what the bible says no it says he who spares the rod hates his child he who loves his son he who loves his son disciplines carefully yeah so it's it's
Andrew
about it also says don't just the bible says do not it doesn't say
Blake
you have to spank them yeah but
Andrew
the bible says do not exasperate your children which is another thing which like as a parent like that has come into focus a lot because you can feel when you're if you're trying to like drive home a point you can feel when they've kind of had enough and like sometimes you need to pivot to a softer approach but anyways i
Jack
just think i think the people who go out on the i bet people can generate studies that'll tell you that any form of punishment is actually bad because a lot of people they like the anarchy of there being no authority and something that's pointed out that i think is useful is any law we have if we want it to exist it does ultimately need to be backed up by force it comes up when the you know the police end up you know choking or accident or shooting someone you know they're trying to enforce the law the guy decides to resist arrest and they end up up shooting the guy and everyone says like why do you get shot over a loose cigarette why do you get shot over cartex well in the end you have
Blake
to obey the twenty dollars counter and
Jack
if you don't obey the police something bad will happen to you and i think spanking is the micro version of that for a parent that a parent ultimately they have to have authority over
Andrew
their child there has to be ultimate
Jack
apex of that is is if you do not listen to what i always say i will use physical force on you and i think we have to have it be acceptable for a parent to do that i think it's ideally it's actually quite rare all of us who have said it's okay have said we ourselves experienced it maybe once and so among other things i don't imagine any of these studies they're doing are very good at capturing the value that comes from a parent who spanks their child literally once ever while they're growing up i think that's difficult to capture but i think the value is real
Andrew
did you guys ever experience any physical punishment when you became like teenagers my
Jack
dad the longest thing he would do and this is gonna sound extremely funny today but i did once possess hair atop my head and if my dad thought i was giving him lip or being sassy he would grab me by the back by the short hairs in
Andrew
the back right here which ones you still have to be clear well i
Jack
don't really have them there anymore he couldn't grab them anymore for sure one
Tyler
time my mom used to do that when i was a kid but one
Andrew
time when i was i must have been like fourteen or fifteen and i remember i sort of vaguely remember it i actually look back just to be in my dad's defense i look back and i'm like totally respect it but i'm i got really mouthy like really mouthy said some like really like nasty things and i think he slapped me you know not very hard but he slapped me and he said you will respect me you will respect me and and i like i remember in the moment i was so shocked i can't believe yeah seriously that was that was basically the general energy and then it like it like dawned on me when i was like twenty five i was like i like had this like grudging respect for my old man i was like yeah he put me in my place like good for him actually because i was i really deserved it and now as i get older as now as i get older i like i don't grudgingly respect it i'm like that was that was rad like good for
Jack
you now i'm just thinking on the other i remember freak out so they can have from punishments so we reflect on spanking but i wonder if the experts would now say like taking your child's phone away for a prolonged period
Andrew
that would be the most dramatic and
Jack
i am thinking i'm sorry i'm gonna drag one of my sisters here for a bit i remember one time my parents grounded my sister by taking her phone away for i believe one or two days and i remember her literally
Andrew
screaming you have ruined my life maybe
Jack
we did i don't know how her
Tyler
life could have gone as a teenager i got my dad to use the f word one time sorry dad i was exposing you that was like the only time my dad never cussed my dad's like really slow to anger he's like really chill and he never got
Andrew
gets angry he always you pushed enough
Tyler
buttons i pushed enough buttons where he like dropped f bomb on me and i i started laughing because i was like i was like shocked and nervous all at the same time but i was just like like laughing but it left like an impression with me i was like i actually felt bad that i made my dad so mad that it probably similar situation where it was like like like i made i felt bad that i made my dad so mad that he did that and i know he was like disappointed in himself afterwards that i like got jack anything
Andrew
for you when you got older and got off philly the one thing that
Blake
i just have to reflect on is this is going back like you know i guess seven seven six or seven years now is that you know just over the six or seven years that i've dealt with andrew colvett i mean i'm right there with his dad i
Andrew
totally get it totally get it i
Tyler
do have that one time when you slapped andrew in the office yeah that
Andrew
was weird jack i thought we weren't on air i turned the other cheek yeah i mean listen maybe i was just a bad teenager i don't know i was actually a pretty good kid in general but i definitely had that coming i went through this phase where i would say out of line things trying to get a shock i think out of my parents anyways faz says when i was five all the kids would talk about spankings and i was curious and jealous that i never got spanked since my parents were against it so i kept doing things that were naughty to try and get spanked and then it finally happened and i didn't love it never happened again let's see there you go fo a good kid f's still a good man so i don't know i'm i'm kind of with you blake my instincts say that this is woke garbage and it's probably okay sometimes you have to do it dispassionately you can't be like doing it in anger and freaking the kids out you can't be like beaten with a belt for forty minutes like you have to have it has to have boundaries and limitations but if you don't have that as an option on the table it's kind of like you know well and
Tyler
there's a lot of other things i was going to bring up that are non physical but it's the same thing if if it's just a threat and you never do it then it then there are no team hold your word
Andrew
you're not your kids friends you're not
Tyler
friends i mean there's two things you're
Andrew
the authority one thing my dad is
Tyler
i know we got to go can't do that my dad did one thing not to me but to my brother he had his car and he threatened like hey if you do i can't remember what he did something like goofed off or he broke curfew or did something he's like i'm gonna take away your car and my my dad did take away my brother's car without him knowing he had an extra key to it and then parked it in a storage locker like it fit perfectly in the storage locker closed the door and gave the storage locker key to my brother but didn't tell him which storage locker is in or where it was at right so he had to live with like hey if you lose this now you're responsible for the storage locker key and if you lose the storage locker key right you're never getting your car back because i'm not going to tell you where it is like it's gone and so you have to be responsible enough to keep the storage locker key for as long and then why decide to let it out it's really
Jack
funny to put it in like one of the extremely large storage locker complexes we have in phoenix nicks and just
Andrew
say like it's one of them just make them do every lock all right animal farm jack take us home on
Blake
it yeah i do have to report back that i did finally get to a chance to sit down and watch the new animal farm i think i was actually like live commenting on it in you know in our group chat while i was watching it and yeah i just totally agree with blake i mean within like the like the first twenty five minutes or so are kind of of it's pretty much like beat for beat the same story as like the book and then it just takes a wild turn becomes extremely anti capitalist it just it just is yeah like
Andrew
you were like it's not so bad
Blake
by the way and it's also just
Andrew
not a good story you i was i was surprised because i was watching your your live commentary you're like it's not that bad it's pretty whatever right now and then and then yeah like
Blake
the first third was like kind of the same and then it just goes
Andrew
off the rails completely all right well it's been a fun episode a very culture culture like media star wars star wars trashy books animal farm bad novel adaptations we should get back into the thought grimy stuff next week i think we got it we gotta like be tempted to say things we we don't
Jack
want clips but we gotta bail so thank you everyone take us home jack
Blake
ladies and gentlemen as always go out there and commit more thought crime
Date: May 30, 2026
This episode centers on cultural decay, focusing on three provocative themes: waning reading habits (especially among younger generations), the decline in quality and appeal in major film franchises (notably Star Wars), and shifting parenting practices, specifically the return (and controversy) of corporal punishment. Hosts Jack, Blake, Andrew, and Tyler weave these themes into a larger critique of modern American society, often with biting humor and culture-war rhetoric.
Hosts share their own childhood discipline memories—the rare but memorable slap or spanking, the effectiveness of taking away phones or favorite items, and the generational softening of parents over time.
Jack (63:31): “A parent ultimately…they have to have authority over their child. The apex of that is: if you do not listen…I will use physical force on you.”
The conversation touches on biblical references, the pitfalls of “therapeutic”/“best friend” parenting, and concerns about overcorrection in both directions.
On BookTok Reading Trends:
“Finding out people on BookTok skip everything but dialogue... that's not reading or writing. The descriptions are the book.”
— Blake (36:07–36:19)
On Disney/Star Wars Boycott Hypocrisy:
“The guy who runs boycotts took his family to Disney World and then led the boycott after.”
— Tyler (11:32)
On Cultural Decline:
“This is the fall of civilization in a nutshell.”
— Jack (43:14)
On Corporal Punishment:
“A parent ultimately…they have to have authority over their child. The apex of that is: if you do not listen…I will use physical force on you.”
— Jack (63:31)
On Modern Movie Plotting:
“They're like, can we get a big one in the first five minutes...and can it hurt to reiterate the plot three or four times in the dialogue, because people are on their phones?”
— Matt Damon (42:30)
This episode provides a “thoughtcrime”-flavored cultural diagnosis—arguing that America’s intellectual and moral fabric is eroding on multiple fronts: passive and superficial media consumption, the infantilization and politicization of entertainment, the decline in reading depth, and shifting boundaries in parenting. The tone is irreverent yet serious, mixing humor, nostalgia, and strong opinions. The hosts see themselves as guardians of traditional values—calling for a return to discipline not only in parenting, but in cultural life, media literacy, and personal habits.
For listeners who missed the episode, this summary encapsulates the core arguments, spirited debates, and comedic moments that define the show’s commentary style.