THOUGHTCRIME Ep. 76 — Cannibal Democrats? Undead Democrats? VR Prisons?

Summary

ThoughtCrime Ep. 76 — Cannibal Democrats? Undead Democrats? VR Prisons?

Release Date: March 15, 2025
Host: Jack Posobiec
Guests: Charlie Kirk, Tyler, Blake

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Introduction

In Episode 76 of "ThoughtCrime," host Jack Posobiec, along with guests Charlie Kirk, Tyler, and Blake, tackle a range of provocative topics. The conversation navigates through alarming incidents targeting conservative figures, delves into sensational claims about political figures, explores innovative yet controversial uses of virtual reality in prisons, and transitions into discussions about video games, reality TV, and the debate surrounding daylight savings time.

Swatting Against Conservative Influencers

The episode opens with a critical examination of swatting incidents aimed at conservative influencers, highlighting the severity and motivations behind these attacks.

• Tyler: [00:44] "There’s been some reports about some bad actors targeting conservative influencers or a group of people associated with conservative politics... One is a host at Infowars, Chase Geithner... and Sean Farash, Gunther Edgington, and potentially others..."

The hosts discuss the dangerous intent behind swatting, explaining how these false reports can lead to tragic confrontations between law enforcement and targeted individuals.

• Jack Posobiec: [04:43] "This is why doxing is so evil. This is why swatting is so evil in general because it can lead to killing, it can lead to fatal outcomes."

They emphasize the need for federal-level intervention and proactive measures, such as establishing strong relationships with local law enforcement and utilizing protective services to prevent such attacks.

• Charlie Kirk: [09:14] "I think the FBI should get involved... It’s a growing and serious major issue."

A notable incident discussed is the Wichita swatting case, where the perpetrator received a 20-year sentence for killing a victim during a swatting attempt.

• Jack Posobiec: [09:28] "There was a swatting in Wichita in 2017 where a man was killed. So he got 20 years."

The segment underscores the gravity of swatting as a form of attempted murder and calls for stringent punitive measures to deter future offenders.

Cannibal Democrats? Undead Democrats?

The conversation takes a sensational turn as the hosts discuss a controversial case involving a city council appointee with disturbing behaviors.

• Jack Posobiec: [11:05] "Jessica Ann Roberts, 32 years old, was appointed to the Town of Linwood’s city council. However, background checks revealed her history as a sex worker with uncontrollable desires to impregnate women and consume them..."

The hosts criticize the appointment process, suggesting a failure in vetting and portraying the incident as indicative of moral and political decay within political circles.

• Charlie Kirk: [12:43] "It's disgusting... they wanted to eat the mom to put it over the line for them."

This segment aims to highlight alleged misdeeds within the Democratic party, using the case of Jessica Ann Roberts to discuss broader themes of political corruption and moral decline.

• Jack Posobiec: [15:21] "This is unreal. A man in 2020 died of a heart attack while police were hitting his house during a swatting attempt."

The discussion further explores the perceived inability of liberals to conceptualize or condemn such extreme behaviors, framing it within a narrative of leftist politics fostering moral degradation.

VR Prisons: The Future of Correctional Facilities

Shifting gears, the hosts explore the innovative yet controversial use of virtual reality (VR) technology within the prison system.

• Jack Posobiec: [27:19] "They have prisons where they're giving inmates access to virtual reality gear... offenses by these prisoners have gone down 96%. Is virtual reality prison our future?"

The conversation examines whether VR can serve as an effective tool for rehabilitation and reducing recidivism, weighing potential benefits against ethical concerns.

• Charlie Kirk: [29:32] "Is it immoral to basically put, to use VR for punishment? It seems to make them more compliant, less likely to commit crimes."

While some argue that VR can provide inmates with positive experiences and reduce violent behaviors, others worry about the moral implications of using technology as a means of control and punishment.

• Jack Posobiec: [37:22] "They could use VR to simulate various scenarios... but it might also lead to ethical dilemmas regarding the treatment of inmates."

The segment concludes with a consideration of how VR technology intersects with traditional incarceration methods, emphasizing the need for balanced and ethical applications.

Video Games and Reality TV

In a lighter yet critical interlude, the hosts discuss the current state of video games and reality television, expressing concerns over their societal impact.

• Blake: [55:00] "My wife has been watching this... Love is Blind... it's trash TV."

• Charlie Kirk: [57:56] "I don't watch much TV, just Seinfeld reruns and some sports."

The conversation critiques the quality and influence of modern entertainment, suggesting that lowbrow media contributes to societal decline and distracts from more meaningful pursuits.

• Jack Posobiec: [56:52] "Reality TV is actually fake, and people who watch reality TV should not be allowed to vote."

The hosts advocate for consuming higher-quality media and express disdain for the prevalence of what they deem trivial and manipulative content.

Daylight Savings Time

The episode concludes with a spirited debate on the practice of daylight savings time (DST) and its effects on daily life and societal rhythms.

• Charlie Kirk: [73:00] "I like evening sun... More sunlight because we change the clocks in the evening."

• Jack Posobiec: [74:10] "The sun is out the same amount whether you’re on daylight saving time or not... But we rebel against God, and that is the sin of pride."

The hosts discuss the pros and cons of DST, touching on its impact on productivity, circadian rhythms, and overall well-being. They express a preference for maintaining current time settings to maximize evening daylight, arguing that it enhances productivity and personal time.

• Charlie Kirk: [75:19] "Evening sun's very good for you... I like being three hours behind... It is more efficient."

The debate concludes with an endorsement of keeping Arizona on Pacific Time, highlighting personal benefits and societal efficiencies gained from such a configuration.

Conclusion

"ThoughtCrime Ep. 76" provides a blend of serious discussions on threats against conservatives and innovative penal technologies, interspersed with critical takes on modern entertainment and societal practices like daylight savings time. The hosts emphasize the need for vigilance against extremist actions, question political vetting processes, and explore the ethical implications of using technology in correctional settings, all while maintaining a critical stance on cultural phenomena they view as indicative of societal decline.

Notable Quotes

• Jack Posobiec: [04:43] "This is why doxing is so evil. This is why swatting is so evil in general because it can lead to killing..."

• Charlie Kirk: [09:14] "I think the FBI should get involved... It’s a growing and serious major issue."

• Jack Posobiec: [15:21] "This is unreal. A man in 2020 died of a heart attack while police were hitting his house during a swatting attempt."

• Charlie Kirk: [25:14] "But as we become less Christian, I'm telling you, cannibalism very well might pop up again."

• Jack Posobiec: [37:17] "We should do Thought Crime in VR."

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Transcript

[Charlie Kirk]

From the age of Big Brother. If they want to get you, they'll get you. The NSA specifically targets the communications of everyone. They're collecting your communications. Okay, everybody, welcome to Thought Crime Thursday. We are live. Is that correct?

[Jack Posobiec]

We are live, Charlie.

[Charlie Kirk]

All right. So don't anyone say anything you're going to regret. We got Jack, we got Tyler, we got Blake. What is our first topic today?

[Jack Posobiec]

Our first topic tonight, Charlie? Jack really wanted us to hit this. Swatting. Jack, I think you have the details.

[Charlie Kirk]

Something I actually know.

[Jack Posobiec]

Can you hear us, Jack?

[Tyler]

Well, there's. There's been some reports about some. Some bad actors, you know, going on and targeting. It seems to be conservative influencers or a group of people, you know, sort of associated with conservative politics. One is a host at Infowars, Chase Geithner. This, of course, comes or Geyser. This comes on the heels, of course, of, I believe it's a separate incident, but of course, a horrific murder of an Infowars staffer a couple of days ago in Austin. But then also, and this is, you know, kind of new to me, I'm just coming to it, but Sean Farash, Gunther Edgington, and potentially others, people are asking, texting me, saying, hey, you guys okay? And my parents, people know, were swatted a year ago at Christmas time. And since then, the individual who did that, I was going to pull up the case a second ago. I was just looking it up, was actually found and extradited to the United States. It was actually a foreign case, but, you know, I guess some. This guy thought that, thought that he could get away with it, but he could not. And so it seems to be, there's no this, this another round of swattings that's going on right now. And honestly, it's something where I'll just put it like this. This needs to be looked at for what it is. The reason that these are done is because they want the police to go in there guns blazing. They want to generate, particularly when you're targeting conservatives. A lot of us are gun owners. A lot of us are strong enthusiasts in exercising our Second Amendment. I know I certainly am. And so they want to a situation that could lead to a potential fatal incident or fatal harm. So when I look at these swatting incidents, they could go sideways very quickly. Now, of course, what's great with, with my situation is that we've been, you know, very, very close with law enforcement. Our law enforcement has been great in terms of this, in terms of their response once you realize what was actually going on. But this needs to be looked at from a federal level. And we got Cash Patel over at the FBI, we've got Pam Bondi at the Attorney General's office. And, and by the way, I've always said this and I've been very clear about this. I don't care what side of the political eye you're on. This is something that, doc, this is why doxing is so evil. This is why swatting is so evil in general. Because it can lead to killing, it can lead to, it can lead to fatal outcomes. If someone's not getting knocked at the door, they don't know what's going on, that, you know, people do a no knock rage, these types of things. So sometimes they go, they go very smoothly and sometimes they don't and it's happened in the past or, you know, someone who doesn't know what's going on answers the door. All sorts of things can take place. So look, I, I say this to anybody though, who's, you know, who's in this situation or if you think you might be in a situation like this, make sure you be proactive. Call local law enforcement, get on the books with them. Find out whoever the local shift, who, you know, whoever's running the shift on there and you know, tell them, hey, you know, I might be a, potential, I might be a potential target of this or this might be something that's going on, you know, try to, you know, hopefully have some friends in your local community and local law enforcement. I know I certainly do. And that's something that helped us a lot. And there's also, by the way, I'll say this as well, there are services out there. So a lot of these, a lot of these pull from those publicly available databases, everybody knows about them, where you can look up people's addresses and things like this online. Well, there are actually services that you can get and pay for. You know, I'm not advertising any here, but just go and look into it yourself where you can go and get it. And it's, it's, it's a little bit of money, but it's not that much money actually at the end of the day where they can run real time monitoring and actually get your information pulled down from those websites on a rolling basis. And then sometimes like if, if it gets leaked somehow or even it includes, by the way, other pii like email addresses, phone numbers, you can get family members on there, etc. So I get that, I pay for that for my family. And that's something that's helped Us really, really well. Get it down from those. Those public sites. It works great. And so I would just highly recommend.

[Charlie Kirk]

We had an event. We had an event.

[Tyler]

Who's worried about this?

[Charlie Kirk]

We had an event recently, and someone came up threatening and literally reading off my home address, like, threatening us live on air there in front of a lot of people. So it's a real problem. Blake, how do we solve this? Because it's a legitimate issue.

[Jack Posobiec]

So I'm looking it up now just as an example, because we did that case where they extradited some individuals for swatting, and they got these two guys, a guy from Romania and a guy from Serbia, their list of. Of code names that they used for communicate. They charged them with conspiracy. They charged them with.

[Tyler]

Oh, wait, no, that's. I think that's the ones who targeted my parents.

[Jack Posobiec]

Yeah, it might be. They had targeted other people. So it would not have just been then, but they had 29 counts of threats and false information regarding explosives and four counts of transmitting threats in interstate and foreign commerce.

[Blake]

Wow.

[Jack Posobiec]

And, like, I imagine if these guys are convicted, they could get, you know, several years in prison. But I think the way. I think the way you crack this down, you crack down on this for good.

[Tyler]

Oh, Nick Sortor. Nick Sortor.

[Jack Posobiec]

You cat. You catch someone. You catch someone doing this, and you say your goal was to have someone get shot by police, we are charging you with attempted murder. Enjoy. 40 years in prison.

[Charlie Kirk]

And you do. A federal government should do it.

[Jack Posobiec]

You do it to one person. And after that, they are the example where everyone thinks, I'm not going to swat someone because my stupid feud on the Internet is not worth 40 years in prison.

[Charlie Kirk]

I completely agree. And that's what it is. It is attempted murder. Tyler.

[Blake]

What if we take everybody that wants to swat people and we put them in ICE and we have them target illegals?

[Jack Posobiec]

Or what if we made them live training dummies for SWAT training?

[Charlie Kirk]

It.

[Blake]

Well, it should know.

[Jack Posobiec]

That's getting dark. Holy cow.

[Blake]

No, no, no. You just. Anybody that wants to, you know, like, send police to someone's house, right? Like in tactical gear. Why don't just make them a part of ice? It's like, you know how they, like, rehabilitate former criminals and sometimes, like, they put them in intelligence communities, like, just put them in and then go after. Go after illegals.

[Charlie Kirk]

I will say this, too, that it seems to be a. I'm hearing myself back, like, four seconds delayed. I don't know why. Are you guys, too. Yeah, like, faintly, it seems to be a predominantly Right. Like on the right problem. I don't know a lot of left people that. But I think this was bipartisan for a time. And I, I just have to compliment the police forces, though. Yeah, the police forces, praise God, they've been going in a lot more restrained and they're getting prepped on this and they are getting, for example, you know where our headquarters is and everyone can figure that out. Like, we've sat down with police and like we're on a list that if there's ever a crisis call, like, they have to now do kind of like a. Well, like they have to call back and be like, is it actually. Which actually makes things more dangerous when you think like, God forbid there was ever a crisis here on the Turning Point campus. Now the police are wondering, are they going into an actual crisis or is this a prank? Does that make sense?

[Jack Posobiec]

It does. I feel like in real life, if that were to happen, the benefit we'd have is we have a good number of people here. They would get, they would get 15911 calls.

[Charlie Kirk]

No, no, we. We have 45 firearms here.

[Blake]

Exactly.

[Jack Posobiec]

Yeah, that also, that also.

[Charlie Kirk]

We got a lot of weapons. The whole tech team there. They could, they could defend Taiwan.

[Jack Posobiec]

We just call them up. We just call them up. We're like, no, we don't need police protection.

[Charlie Kirk]

The weaponry in our tech team, have you seen what they got there? They got stuff I've even heard of. They're packing.

[Jack Posobiec]

We just call the police. And we're like, yeah, we actually don't need your help, but we just, we do need a cleanup crew here.

[Charlie Kirk]

Ryan says just send an ambulance to.

[Jack Posobiec]

Be clear, only to take them to the more.

[Blake]

That's the instruction, actually, to the. I actually have a theory about that, Charlie, about the right versus the left. I think the left, there's more people that want to hit famous people. And the famous people, for the most part, they already have plans like that that you're describing for most of the people they know to call back to, to double check, do all that before they send somebody. A lot of the people on the right that are kind of up and comer, a lot of influencers and things like that aren't like known celebrities and things like that that haven't come up with those plans with the local law enforcement. So I think it's easier for the left to go after kind of right leaning influencers and our celebs and do that kind of thing.

[Charlie Kirk]

I mean, I think it's repulsive and I think the FBI should get involved I mean, I think it's an interstate. It's almost always interstate. It's almost never in the same state. Is that correct? Almost never. And it's. It's a growing. It's a growing and serious major issue.

[Jack Posobiec]

I'm looking now, and one guy did get 20 years in prison. There was a swatting in Wichita in 2017 where a man was angry over a beef in the video game Call of duty. World War II.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah.

[Jack Posobiec]

And so he swatted someone, and that got someone killed. So he got 20 years.

[Tyler]

Started with games. Like video games.

[Jack Posobiec]

Yeah, yeah, it started with it. Like, you can tell it's totally a thing that just comes from, like, losers on the Internet, basically. Yeah, but there's a lot of losers on the Internet who care a lot about politics, too. And so they do destructive stuff like this. But I think, yeah, the fix is.

[Charlie Kirk]

Well, praise God, you are an attempted murderer. I think someone has gotten killed via a swat at some. There was.

[Jack Posobiec]

Yeah, that's the Wichita one.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah.

[Jack Posobiec]

I don't know that a politics one has gotten anyone killed, but.

[Charlie Kirk]

But I think police. Police forces are getting better and better at receiving these. Don't you agree? Like, they're not. But again, I want to just repeat this. God forbid that there's an actual hostage situation or an actual crisis like this. And they go on not thinking it's real. And it is real. I mean, it's bad for everybody. I think it's even worse than attempted murder. I think it's an act of terrorism. I think that it's bad for the entire community, bad for the police force. I know that might sound like a exorbitant, you know, statement, but the goal is absolutely to get people killed.

[Jack Posobiec]

This is unreal. A man in 2020 died of a heart attack, like, while police were hitting his house. And the swatting was done against him in an attempt to force him to give up his Twitter handle at Tennessee.

[Charlie Kirk]

And this is sick stuff.

[Jack Posobiec]

Sicko's out there, man. They are. They are crazy, demented individuals. But are they as crazy and demented as the next thing we're going to talk about?

[Charlie Kirk]

Let's go to that. Let's go to that.

[Jack Posobiec]

All righty. All right, Charlie, we got this hot off the presses from Charlie today.

[Charlie Kirk]

This is made just for thought.

[Jack Posobiec]

We had. We had other topics in mind, but Charlie was like, no, we need.

[Charlie Kirk]

This is designed for thought. This is, like, not. This is not YouTube friendly.

[Jack Posobiec]

Exactly, exactly. So this is a story out of. And of course, it's Washington state, where. So what happens is Town of Linwood, Washington. So where Emma Kate is from, we should find out. No, it's just. It's just a Seattle suburb. Of course. Anyway, so the town of Linwood, Washington has a city council, and they were going to appoint someone to a vacancy. I guess it's a town where that can happen. And they settled on an individual named Jessica Ann Roberts, 32 years old. And then. And they chose Jessica Ann Roberts over a military veteran who was also contending for the Post. And then after they made the announcement, a few people pointed out. Wait, have you guys actually looked up this person or done any sort of background check? You know, I think, I think I'll just read the headline from the Post. Millennial here. Breaking Washington Trans Only Fans. City Council Appointee Rescinds Candidacy After Cannibal Fetish Controversy. That is a headline I don't think, like chat GPT could generate on its own. I think that that's one only real life could create. So Jessica Ann Roberts was born Neil Vincent Roberts and has a hidden history as a sex worker that includes an uncontrollable desire to impregnate women and then eat them. So in other words, this guy was just too normal.

[Charlie Kirk]

Basically, everything was fine up until the cannibalism. Is that the line? I just want to be clear. I think that was the Democrat Party. Everything was cool. The tranny part, the only fans thing, but the eating.

[Jack Posobiec]

And it had to be, by the.

[Charlie Kirk]

Way, you have to look at this is disgusting.

[Jack Posobiec]

It had to be close because, you know, the Democrats are kind of in favor of eating unborn children. So they, it was probably that they wanted to eat the mom to put it over the line for them. But yeah, we, we have some images of what they were saying and I believe edited so that they're not super duper horrifying here. How about we put up 176 and then let's see if I can find this here. So, yeah, we have. Let's see. So they found all the posts this guy was making on a subreddit, which we really need to, like, quarantine Reddit in some capacity. But this is a Reddit called slash vore vori, which I guess is short for carnivore or humidore.

[Charlie Kirk]

Is there actually Reddit's dedicated towards cannibalism?

[Blake]

Of course there are, I'm sure.

[Jack Posobiec]

But they did ban the one for supporting Donald Trump. So, you know, are.

[Charlie Kirk]

The Donald was awesome for the Donald.

[Blake]

It was great.

[Jack Posobiec]

It was.

[Charlie Kirk]

I got a good content from.

[Jack Posobiec]

Are the Donalds apparently worse than Cannibalism.

[Charlie Kirk]

I've never been able to.

[Tyler]

Peace. Rest in peace.

[Charlie Kirk]

I have not been able to find a similar. Similar synthesized community of like, until our group chat, you know, until I found.

[Jack Posobiec]

So. So this is a post. So it was the discussion Preds Predators. I think I got a question. Okay. Okay. So how do you like your prey to react when they go down in. And once they're in, I assume in your stomach. I want to get better just in case I find myself a snack. And then I'm not sure if the op is that guy or if this other art. Is it the other aardvark guy who's this one? I love scoping up random girls and taunting them about how they're going to fuel me, how their entire life built up to the moment where I snuff them out and use their fat and nutrients to become stronger, very healthy and normal and okay. And they were like, yeah, this guy seems legit. Let's put him on the city council. Now, admittedly, they appear to have not known about this, but I've got to admit, I feel like there were probably warning signs, possibly some sort of visible external sign that this individual was mentally unwell and perhaps in the grips of delusions and insanity of some kind.

[Blake]

I wonder what could have given away.

[Jack Posobiec]

What could have. Nah, there must not have been anything. There was probably no way to see this coming. We can't really blame the city council for this, can we?

[Charlie Kirk]

Jack, what is your take on this delicious topic? Get it?

[Jack Posobiec]

Yeah.

[Tyler]

You know, I mean, it's like. It's like the great line. They always used to go after Trump for this for saying, they, you know, he's talking about illegals, but he always used to bring up Hannibal Lecter on the campaign trail, saying, you know, Hannibal Lecter, he wants to have you for dinner and that, you know, talking about the. The emptying of prisons. And he would sort as sobriquet to explain sort of the insanity that was going on. But, Charlie, I think it really goes to show you that when we talk about the insanity that is perpetuated in the United States today. And it makes me think of something we talked about last year in our book that we identified called the Fried Mental Model. And there's a lot of people out there that just have an absolutely fried mental model of the world. Many of them are located in some of these places that are hotbeds of leftism. Like a lot of the Washington area is. This is the state of Washington. So you got Seattle up there. That's where Chaz took place. I witnessed just insane levels of depravity and degeneracy when I was there. But of course you see it all throughout the Pacific Northwest. And these sort of things used to be confined to those areas, but now because of the Internet and because of TikTok, these types of ideas, these types of social contagions and these types of ideals are spread everywhere. They're just all over the place. And so it's almost like they sort of have a race to the bottom that's going on. Because leftist politics actually incentivizes this kind of behavior in certain ways. So that in order to be more risque, in order to be more taboo against the social order, you must push yourself to further and further extreme behaviors. And that's exactly what you have. Because you can't take out the fact, right? You can't take out the fact only. Only fans trans cannibal fetish, but also that this thing was running for office also views all of that through the political lens. So in leftist politics these types of things are inseparable. They are inseparable from leftist politics.

[Charlie Kirk]

I have a question, a feature.

[Tyler]

This is not a bug.

[Charlie Kirk]

If you were to argue from a left wing perspective, how. What argument could you make that eating human beings is wrong? By what standard? I actually, I don't think you can.

[Jack Posobiec]

I mean if, if two people love each other very, very much and one of them agrees to go into the other's tummy.

[Charlie Kirk]

Well, so, so let's just kind of play out with all the kind of one liners I hear on campus. Well, Charlie, it doesn't. Doesn't impact you. They say it causes suffering. What if the person's already dead? What if you go to a morgue and you strike a deal and you're like, I'm just gonna take a leg a week just could be deceased. Why under the leftist worldview is that wrong?

[Jack Posobiec]

You got me.

[Charlie Kirk]

No, I mean this non sarcasm. Of course we as conservatives think the body is sacred and it's disgusting and wrong and repulsive and evil to consume a fellow human being. Otherwise, besides all the other legal. I'm saying morally, what is the left wing objection to cannibalism?

[Jack Posobiec]

To go even further, like, I don't think they could even articulate that like the fact that a person wants to. Like that if someone would have this fetish, that they want to eat someone, that this indicates something is wrong with them when it clearly does. I mean there's all sorts of stuff like even his public, like he oh, oh, this I Guess is his only fans account. Jessica had an OnlyFans account. A bisexual trans woman with itty bitty and a big girl are.

[Charlie Kirk]

The Donald is back by the way.

[Jack Posobiec]

Oh, is it?

[Charlie Kirk]

It says ask the Donald. It's not the same.

[Tyler]

So they have Patriots Win is like a separate website they set up.

[Charlie Kirk]

Forget it.

[Jack Posobiec]

But yeah, and like it's just. Oh, and of course this guy. Oh, this wasn't even highlighted in the article. He's also basically like pedo adjacent. I love the type of prey that knows their purpose in life but is too scared to actually be eaten. So they fight back even though they know they're only going to turn into fat before they're disposed of. Personally, I enjoy being a professor, teacher or babysitter who reluctantly disciplines the children. This person should be locked up by.

[Blake]

Eating them, I guess.

[Jack Posobiec]

Yes, they've been. That's this Hansel and Gretel thing.

[Blake]

But to Charlie's point that, I mean this is the, this is what's happened. The creep. I mean it's literally on all their flags now. Like just add, just add the, the cannibalism to it now at this point, like these people are absolute freaks. They're mentally ill. There's no difference. And you can see even in that, like to what you just read, there's this weirdo crossover between all this stuff that they've tried to normalize into literally murder and cannibalism. I mean they're talking about murder. That's what they're talking about. Constant like in every single one of those posts.

[Charlie Kirk]

Do you think that there is a. Do you think there are many non tranny cannibals?

[Jack Posobiec]

I only know of one other case.

[Charlie Kirk]

Of the cannibal community. What percentage are trannies?

[Jack Posobiec]

It's gotta be higher.

[Charlie Kirk]

No, Hannibal had some weird sexual stuff though.

[Blake]

Was he, Was he tranny?

[Charlie Kirk]

Are we talking about Silence of the Lamp?

[Tyler]

No, no, no. The Buffalo Bill had the weird sexual stuff.

[Charlie Kirk]

No, that they did dress up.

[Blake]

Yeah.

[Charlie Kirk]

No, I think that there might be a. There's almost a one to one here.

[Blake]

Yeah.

[Charlie Kirk]

Now I'm not saying all trainees are cannibals. I'm asking the question, are all cannibals trannies?

[Jack Posobiec]

So now, now I'm looking up the only other major cannibalism case I know of. There was a guy in Germany who 25 years ago like put up an ad on Craigslist that was basically like, I want to eat somebody and I'm looking for a volunteer and a guy answered it and went to his house and was killed and eaten. And the man is currently in prison. So I'm trying to find out if he had any other, you know, tells, as it were.

[Blake]

Dahmer. Dahmer was for sure, in today's society. Wouldn't. Wouldn't have been gay. He would have been trans.

[Charlie Kirk]

I think I'm onto something here.

[Blake]

No, for sure. I'm trying to think of the movie. What's the movie where something happens? Oh, it was one of the Adam Sandler movies. And what's his face? The actor kills somebody. Or he's like. He's got a list from high school. Remember he puts on the lipstick.

[Jack Posobiec]

I haven't seen this.

[Tyler]

Medicine.

[Blake]

So it's not quite cannibalism, but it's. But it's murder, murderous weirdo traits where he's. He's. You know, you have that crossover. So I. I think Charlie's right. Deep down, every single cannibal is probably trans.

[Charlie Kirk]

We don't have a lot to go off of the cannibal community is. Not yet.

[Jack Posobiec]

We're gonna have cannibal rights.

[Charlie Kirk]

They're gonna have their own. I. I am curious that at the DNC 2028, when they. When they nominate just like AI, I think that's what they're gonna do, by the way. I think it's AI 2020. I think they're going to nominate an algorithm. I'm not kidding. I think.

[Jack Posobiec]

I don't. I don't want to be mean, Charlie, but I feel like we're probably closer to, like, do you think if they made a perfectly. If they came out and they're like, this AI perfectly replicates Donald Trump, like, quite a few people would probably want to vote for that.

[Charlie Kirk]

I wouldn't. What I am saying, though, is that if they even entertained Pete Buttigieg, they would totally vote for an algorithm.

[Jack Posobiec]

That's fair.

[Charlie Kirk]

That's okay.

[Jack Posobiec]

Pete Buttigieg is a man who, when he is, like, 16 years old, he made the list of, like, everything he had to do to become president. He's been sociopathically executing it ever since.

[Charlie Kirk]

The fact that he's even entertained as a serious contender is like, that's like. Like Sam Altman created him.

[Jack Posobiec]

Yes. Yeah.

[Charlie Kirk]

I think, like, Sam Altman's first project was Pete Buttigieg. Then he did open AI.

[Blake]

Yeah.

[Charlie Kirk]

Anyway.

[Jack Posobiec]

And then he did this guy.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yes, evidently. So the. I guess at the Democrat 2028, when they say, you know, OpenAI 2028, will we have a cannibal rights section on the floor?

[Jack Posobiec]

I mean, I feel like they should I feel like that would only be fair.

[Charlie Kirk]

But who are we to judge their dietary.

[Jack Posobiec]

Yeah, exactly. It's just, it's.

[Charlie Kirk]

By the way, it would help with the depopulation, the population problem.

[Jack Posobiec]

It would, it would save space in cemeteries. It would, it would really increase the amount of utility in the world. Utilitarian. Like, we should in fact mandate cannibalism.

[Blake]

So every cannibal, deep down is a train.

[Tyler]

Kind of like recycling Democrat, you know, it's like recycling is what we're saying, I think.

[Charlie Kirk]

Well, yeah, I mean, so. But if your whole goal is about saving the environment, to Blake's point, look at all that protein and nutrients that otherwise could be going to nourish.

[Jack Posobiec]

Yeah, this would have to be the most moral type of meat out there.

[Charlie Kirk]

But think about it. If we want to no longer have carbon emissions because of farting cows or because of all the industrial farming, you know, there's millions of people that die in America every single year that could feed starving children.

[Blake]

So are they green part.

[Tyler]

Have you heard of Blake? Have you ever heard of the, the, the sort of like the, the scientific idea of like a generation ship? Like a, like a generation spaceship?

[Jack Posobiec]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Tyler]

So I've read some theories about that where in a generation ship. So guys, that means like, like, you know, the possibility for interstellar travel, but you know, because it takes so long to travel there at sublight speeds that you would have multiple generations of families living on this ship before it gets from one planet to the other. And that one of the potential uses for the older generation that dies would then be for their bodies and protein to go into like either, you know, creating like a biosphere type thing on the ship or go into some sort of like hydroponic thing or be able to use in the ship's energy, etc. It's kind of like a matrix sort of thing. I don't know, it's just, it's just something so.

[Charlie Kirk]

But, but all kidding aside, we'll get to the next segment. In the Christian tradition, we believe the body is sacred. And that's why we believe Christ actually took human flesh. We believe we're actually going to be resurrected again one day. That the human body should not be trivialized, that there's something special about it, that you were made in the image of God, not in the image of a big whopper.

[Blake]

That's right.

[Charlie Kirk]

But as we become less Christian, I'm telling you, cannibalism very well might pop up again. We could all joke about it. The sarcasm actually is laced In. I want a liberal to come on and tell me, by the liberal standard, what is the argument against cannibalism?

[Jack Posobiec]

We might need to have our first, like, liberal on thought crime just to, like, probe this question.

[Charlie Kirk]

We should find out. A lot of questions.

[Jack Posobiec]

We should find that. We can't say more about it. We should find that guy who was at University of Tennessee today.

[Charlie Kirk]

Oh, no, you can't. You can't. You can't spoil.

[Jack Posobiec]

I won't spoil anything.

[Charlie Kirk]

No, no, that. That one that was off. That was that boy. Everyone should subscribe to all of our appropriate channels. Jack. Jack, you are gonna love this one. This one has the opportunity. I'm not. I don't want to be too. Has the opportunity. One of the most viral things I've ever done. That's all I'm gonna say.

[Blake]

I think. I think it will.

[Tyler]

Okay, holding you to that, Charlie.

[Charlie Kirk]

Hey, Blake, based on what you heard, it's pretty juicy, right?

[Jack Posobiec]

It sounded pretty amazing to me.

[Charlie Kirk]

All right, I've got to say that Next segment.

[Jack Posobiec]

All right, next thing. This. This is kind of a wild card one, but this is going viral this week, and it's kind of a funny thing. So, you know, you know, courtesy. You know, courtesy. Arvin. We've had him on the show before. One of his fun ideas is he said, like, you know, we're gonna punish criminals, and we're punish them by putting them in virtual reality prison. So we have much better virtual reality tech now. We get those goggles you can put on, and you can go to the Facebook magical world and hang out with people.

[Charlie Kirk]

Anyway, by the way, is that, like, a thing?

[Jack Posobiec]

It is a thing I've never done.

[Charlie Kirk]

How is that, like, different than, like, Age of. I mean, whatever the thing?

[Jack Posobiec]

Well, it wasn't super successful, but.

[Charlie Kirk]

What was that game I used to play?

[Jack Posobiec]

Age of Empires.

[Charlie Kirk]

No, no, I'll think of it. Keep. Keep talking.

[Jack Posobiec]

But anyway, so we. It's more and more.

[Charlie Kirk]

Runescape.

[Jack Posobiec]

Oh, Runescape. Yeah.

[Charlie Kirk]

Is that still around?

[Jack Posobiec]

Yes, it is. Yes, it is. It will never die. There's still people who play World of Warcraft, like, eight out. You know, four.

[Charlie Kirk]

I know that still exists.

[Blake]

Well, the original. You go way, way back. You go to the original Warcraft and Starcraft.

[Jack Posobiec]

Well, those are. Those are strategy. But anyway, so this is all teeing up that there are prisons in. In the. I believe in California that, like, they. They have a thing in the Central California women's facility. They're doing this. But there are. There's reports now they have prisons where they're giving inmates access to virtual reality gear and they can use this to like go outside the prison, basically. And according to the reporting that is coming out, offenses by these prisoners have gone down 96%. And so is the VR. Is virtual reality prison our future? And if it is, like, is that a good thing? Because it seems like they might be having a good time with it. And I don't know that we want to reward Anders Breivik or the cannibal guy with like, you know, lifelong fun times in VR for being, for being bad dudes. But if it helps with rehabilitation, it's a choice one way or the other. Would you go to VR prison?

[Charlie Kirk]

So let me be, let me. What is actually on their VR?

[Jack Posobiec]

So the description in this article that I'm looking at in the Guardian that came out a few days ago is this woman is in a women's prison in California, but it says two and a half years into a five year prison sentence. This woman was about, Samantha Tovar was about to see Thailand for the first time. And so she puts on, and she basically goes on like a virtual tour of stuff in Thailand.

[Charlie Kirk]

Pause. I've used these virtual reality things. I don't think they're that good. Yeah, I mean, have you seen the tech? Isn't there yet. I use AI might make it better.

[Jack Posobiec]

But I've used them once and it was at the Hillary Clinton's DNC in 2016.

[Charlie Kirk]

So it's been a while. Okay. Yeah.

[Jack Posobiec]

So gotten better since then.

[Charlie Kirk]

Nine years ago.

[Blake]

Have you seen the sporting ones? The sporting events? So now they've got this, this whole thing where you can put on the VR and you're like on the sideline sitting.

[Charlie Kirk]

I know, but is it any good?

[Blake]

Yeah, it looks really nice.

[Charlie Kirk]

Is it really?

[Blake]

Yeah, yeah. And they've got this whole, actually they've got this whole restaurant in California now where it's like a VR restaurant where it's like a big screen, you're inside it and you feel like you're in the stadium.

[Charlie Kirk]

No, that's different.

[Blake]

I, I, I know, but it's like, I like that.

[Charlie Kirk]

But, but the, the goggle thing bothers me.

[Blake]

Well, I think you've, I think after a while you feel the goggle, you know, and it's like you, I don't think your mind can get past the fact that you're wearing something that's on top of yourself.

[Charlie Kirk]

I, I, at least here's where somebody once told recently they said my, my relative, my uncle or whatever, works all day, gets home and just puts on his goggles and spends four hours. I think that's, like, deeply unhealthy.

[Blake]

Oh, I started this started coming up because I started watching this. There's some weirdo. I don't. I want to get off the trans thing, but there's, like, a. The furry community has all moved onto VR.

[Tyler]

Oh, dear.

[Charlie Kirk]

Really?

[Blake]

I saw this, and it has to be.

[Jack Posobiec]

There has to be, like, a pipeline from people who are furries to.

[Blake]

There's some. There's something.

[Jack Posobiec]

If you think you're a tiger. If you're like, I like to pretend I'm a tiger. That tigers ain't.

[Charlie Kirk]

That's what you're talking about.

[Blake]

That's what they're doing.

[Charlie Kirk]

I think that's exactly. Exactly right.

[Blake]

So we should put all mentally ill people. I. I think it's. Let's talk about. Forget jail. Mentally ill people should all be on VR doing mentally ill stuff.

[Jack Posobiec]

Well, that. I mean, that gets back to the bigger thing. You know, this guy. Well, this guy's a cannibal fetishist. Like, would it be okay to make an extremely detailed VR simulation of him, like, eating?

[Blake]

Probably not. Those kids, like, probably not.

[Charlie Kirk]

That's why. I guess the question is, what is the purpose of prison? Is it to punish or to distract?

[Jack Posobiec]

Well, the truth is, it's kind of all of this. It's partly to punish, it's partly to rehabilitate. It's partly just to protect the public from future crime.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah. I mean, so if it's all about protection, Prison is such a joke. Now. These prisoners get video games, like, all day long. Yeah, but Bannon said his experience wasn't that good, Jack. I don't think he had video games and sports. So I don't know. Every prison is different, right, Jack?

[Tyler]

I mean, if he did have video games, I don't. I don't think he'd be playing them. I mean, look, you know, it also depends on where you're at. There's different places. Peter Navarro. Dr. Navarro was in sort of a work camp situation. It depends on who you're in with. I mean, look, prison is prison. Like, I'm not gonna. I'm not gonna say that it's not, you know, not a. You know. You know something that it isn't.

[Charlie Kirk]

Right.

[Tyler]

You know, it's not this. This. This coddled, you know, college atmosphere, collegiate atmosphere or something like that, Like a community college dorm or something. But the. The idea, though, is that there's way too much. Look, I'll talk about what I know about. So when I was. I Served a year about. You're at Guantanamo Bay. And that's based off of the Federal Correctional Institutes. And we had, we had some areas there, we had some areas there where they had like apartments with, with kitchens. Now that was for like extremely good behavior. But yeah, you could have like an apartment and a kitchen. You could like cook your own food and like a single apartment and you could like walk around even. It was amazing.

[Charlie Kirk]

So, Blake, are you in favor of VR headsets for problem children?

[Jack Posobiec]

Man, it's going. I'm not entirely sure.

[Tyler]

I.

[Jack Posobiec]

So for example, like, I've never used a VR headset for, you know, like, I, I've played video games. Even though I know you, you don't care for them. But like, I won't play them with a headset because to me there's something fundamentally off about like being totally dead to the world that way. Like, you're jumping fully into it and you're disengaging from reality. To me, that is a step up from just like, oh, I'm holding a controller on the couch. Very different. And there's something. But it's going to be a bigger and bigger question because the tech for this is only going to get better overall. And as one of you said, like, AI is going to increase its potential a lot because you can use that to auto fill in all the details in it. So it's going to get more and more realistic and there's going to be people who spend more and more of their time in it. And I guess I have to say, like, it feels like this is probably one of the best use cases for it is someone in prison. And it has been pointed out that prison can be bad enough. It makes a lot of people worse. They kind of go nuts there. And if you can use VR to make them relatively more normal or more sedate, it's probably not the worst use case for it. And it might even be cheaper than other things.

[Charlie Kirk]

Is it immoral to basically in the, in the water supply to put estrogenic material in a men's prison?

[Jack Posobiec]

Feels like it probably would be yet.

[Charlie Kirk]

I mean, it would make them less violent, it would make them more compliant, it would make them like less likely to kill each other.

[Jack Posobiec]

I'm more old fashioned. I feel like if someone has done a crime where you think that's worth doing to them, you should just snip, snip.

[Charlie Kirk]

So let's put the estrogen example aside. Should we. If a prisoner wants muscle relaxers on a daily basis, should we give them.

[Jack Posobiec]

That for the Purposes of.

[Charlie Kirk]

I mean, how is it different than a VR headset?

[Jack Posobiec]

I'm not sure. As you say, it's like, what do we use prison for?

[Charlie Kirk]

That's what I'm saying. I mean like if the goal is just to protect the public and you know, they're not learning helpful skills, just give them a bunch of Valiums and muscle relaxers and there's some people that.

[Blake]

Would want to just do that. I mean there's. The problem is, is then you're enticing people to want to go to prison, which is the whole argument against those things in the first place.

[Charlie Kirk]

Well, yeah. And so then all of a sudden it's like, yeah, prison's not that bad.

[Jack Posobiec]

Prison is just really like a lifetime stint in a, in like a web cafe.

[Blake]

But basically every 55 year old man that gets divorced later in life would be like, I'm just gonna go and just sell this thing out for the next 20 years.

[Jack Posobiec]

Yeah, yeah. I mean that's definitely.

[Blake]

I mean there's a huge amount of population that exists of like homeless people and just down in the dumps people. And then you get to the other argument is, you know, is that better than someone doing something drastic? Yeah, I mean institutional, but that's why everyone, people got institutionalized for this stuff.

[Charlie Kirk]

We should bring asylums back with. I mean, this whole anti asylum movement has been a disaster. Disaster. I mean, Hotel California, reopen it.

[Blake]

That's the difference between institute institutionalization versus prison is there's people that, you know, probably should be in that realm because that's basically what they did, was just hop them up and, you know, kept them alive.

[Jack Posobiec]

It's very funny reading one of the quotes in this Guardian article is this person who says it's a, this Ortega guy was using the headset and was visiting, like was viewing the Eiffel Tower. Basically a transformative scene for Ortega was sitting around the Eiffel Tower. You see tourists, regular people going to and from work, he said. And that's when it hit me. I want to live life like that. I deserve it. I owe it to myself. On the one hand, it's good he reached this realization he shouldn't do crime. On the other hand, I feel like he was able to see people doing things like that in real life. And apparently that didn't make the impression on him. He had to do it in the VR video game to actually experience this. There's something very bizarre about that.

[Blake]

What if you, what if you use the headsets but you had to force them to do Just educational stuff, like go through museums.

[Jack Posobiec]

Or, like, do extremely tedious stuff. Like you have to mow a lawn that the grass grows back instantly. You have to pull weeds endlessly.

[Tyler]

Do it.

[Blake]

They do everything. Your mop, vacuum pole, weeds.

[Jack Posobiec]

Admittedly, if we think VR is wrong. Might be not great. Even if it's nice, it's probably really wrong to use VR to torture people.

[Blake]

Take out the trash can every week.

[Charlie Kirk]

I think what we should do is we should go test out the new VR stuff. I think that's what we should do. I think a thought crime episode.

[Jack Posobiec]

We should do that Thought crime in VR.

[Charlie Kirk]

That's exactly right.

[Jack Posobiec]

We could. We could.

[Charlie Kirk]

I wonder if I'm going to. I'm going to get us some good stuff. We should find out. I'm going to get all the meta stuff for us.

[Jack Posobiec]

Oh, yeah, that's a good ide. We have to. We have to ride the wave of us being able to do that as long as we can.

[Blake]

We could have an episode where people. What if I did VR into the show?

[Jack Posobiec]

I don't know if this is super popular. Yeah, we could, like, do a VR. Like, the audience is there if they're all in VR things. And I just.

[Charlie Kirk]

I mean, I don't. I. I'm not. I'm not a believer that VR. I mean, I'm looking at the meta website right now, and the technology looks pretty impressive. At the same time, I look at the. I mean, look at this. This looks like indecipherable than like a 2006 video game or like a bad.

[Blake]

A lot of them are bad. I bought. I brought. I bought Brooks for Christmas. It was a couple years ago, but I bought him a meta headset. Whatever it was called before that. That was the Palmer thing.

[Charlie Kirk]

Oculus.

[Jack Posobiec]

Oculus.

[Blake]

I bought him Oculus. And the games were so unplayable.

[Jack Posobiec]

Oh, dear. You see, if we were in VR, that wouldn't have happened.

[Blake]

So they. It was so unplayable. And it was just like. It was, like, boxy. It looked like it was like, Lily. Nintendo 64. I was like, this is why. Why did you play?

[Charlie Kirk]

It kind of feels like the Wii. Do you got. Is the Wii still around?

[Jack Posobiec]

I mean, it exists, but it went out of production.

[Charlie Kirk]

Why the Wii was really popular.

[Jack Posobiec]

Well, because technology advances, Charlie.

[Charlie Kirk]

Evidently it does.

[Jack Posobiec]

Now kids have their Nintendo switches.

[Charlie Kirk]

Can we put this up on screen? Can we put this screenshot I just had. First of all, this has got all the DEI stuff all over, but whatever. So let's put this up. It's called the Super Rumble dei.

[Jack Posobiec]

Those are just, like, people who aren't white.

[Charlie Kirk]

Come on. It's on the front page of the website.

[Tyler]

I mean, come on.

[Jack Posobiec]

Whatever.

[Charlie Kirk]

You and I both know what's going on, so it's called Super Rumble or.

[Jack Posobiec]

Super Crumble or Super Dumble. It's probably Super Rumble.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah.

[Blake]

Yeah. I'm trying to. There was one game, like, the. The funnest game that they had on VR were the dumb ones. And there was, like, a lightsaber game.

[Jack Posobiec]

Yeah, they did a Star wars VR.

[Charlie Kirk]

It was Nintendo Wii with that little.

[Blake]

It was like. It was like that. But you. You went through. It was like Fruit Ninja kind of with lightsabers.

[Jack Posobiec]

We brought church to the metaverse. Oh, dear. I don't want to know the theology of that church life.

[Charlie Kirk]

Guarantee you it's a little shaky.

[Tyler]

Yeah.

[Jack Posobiec]

You know, and when Jesus said, you know, I am the vine, he meant the vines that were on Twitter back in the day.

[Blake]

I do think that VR is cool for things that. Where you can't be somewhere. So, like. So, for example, if you're across the world or across the country and you're really old, you can't get to your kid's baptism or your. Or like, some, like, play recital or something. The future of that is, like, you could. Grandpa can put on a headset and feel like he's there. I think that's cool. I just don't think we're there yet. Right. Like, that doesn't exist. I think they were trying to sell that.

[Charlie Kirk]

I.

[Blake]

They were trying to sell that on tv. I think it was a commercial.

[Charlie Kirk]

I'm not a believer yet in the technology, so we'll see what happens. All right, next topic.

[Jack Posobiec]

All right. Wait, what is our next topic, sir? Crap, I just forgot Saving Angela. What was our next topic?

[Charlie Kirk]

No, no, there was daylight savings, but there was another one.

[Jack Posobiec]

Oh, Love is Blind. We wanted to read.

[Charlie Kirk]

No, I. I want. Yeah, no, this is an important one.

[Blake]

Yes.

[Charlie Kirk]

So I've. First of all, I have to really plead ignorance. Do people watch this?

[Jack Posobiec]

Millions of people with this is incredibly popular goggles on. Oh, I don't know about goggles.

[Charlie Kirk]

Why would they not watch it with VR?

[Jack Posobiec]

VR goggles are expensive, Charlie.

[Charlie Kirk]

So Love is not Blind. Not everyone.

[Jack Posobiec]

Not everyone took out, by the way.

[Charlie Kirk]

Imagine the mark. They should hire me. They should not. It should not be called Love is Blind. It should be called love is VR, and they would sell, like, 5 million of these things.

[Jack Posobiec]

Okay, so this was just to remind you.

[Charlie Kirk]

She says, I watched every season except this one, and I repent of my sins. I've never even heard of it.

[Blake]

My wife has been watching this.

[Jack Posobiec]

The first season is around Covid time. I remember it when I was on Netflix. I believe so, yeah.

[Charlie Kirk]

It's on Netflix.

[Blake]

It's on Netflix.

[Charlie Kirk]

What. How does this show work?

[Blake]

I can explain it.

[Tyler]

Please.

[Blake]

Real simple.

[Jack Posobiec]

You've watched it.

[Blake]

You have. And I've had to watch it because I'm like sitting there trying to sleep.

[Jack Posobiec]

I had no choice.

[Blake]

I'm trying to follow storylines. Try to follow the storylines. I have to admit it. Trash TVs like, you know, it just.

[Jack Posobiec]

Goes, we'll get there. We're gonna.

[Blake]

But you have two people that they are. You have two groups of men and a women, and they're in separate parts of the house. And they have to go into rooms and communicate each other with each other through walls so they can't see each other. And so they have to pick a match based off of their conversations. And so they normally talk to a handful of people before they pick the person.

[Charlie Kirk]

It's like a death match. Look at this. This looks so dystopian. It's basically like, look, it's in an octagon and everything.

[Blake]

It's like a sick twist. What was that old show called where it was like Match Game or whatever, or the one that Jeffrey Dahmer went on or whatever.

[Charlie Kirk]

Are we back to the Cannibal?

[Blake]

No, but. But he went on.

[Jack Posobiec]

This show is about cannibals.

[Blake]

No, this is like a thing. Some. Maybe it was a Jeffrey Dahmer.

[Jack Posobiec]

He's known about the Furries.

[Charlie Kirk]

He's not about Dahmer, Tyler.

[Jack Posobiec]

They're about.

[Blake]

But this happens to be a crossover. It's like one of those sick games where you don't see the person and you have to ask questions. But they do it for, like, days.

[Jack Posobiec]

Yeah.

[Blake]

And then they decide to get married right away.

[Jack Posobiec]

So you're in the pod for a long time and you just talk to people.

[Charlie Kirk]

So it's like a telephone call?

[Jack Posobiec]

More or less.

[Blake]

Yeah.

[Jack Posobiec]

I think that. Do they type or.

[Blake]

No, it's voice.

[Charlie Kirk]

Being love is blind is the idea.

[Jack Posobiec]

Yeah. So the idea is they interact only by voice and then they can send each other stuff, build affinity with people.

[Blake]

They can send each other, like, gifts and stuff. And gifts.

[Charlie Kirk]

But, like, they can't send each other Instagram handles or anything.

[Blake]

No, I don't think they. I don't think they have phones. I could be wrong. I'm going to get, like, blasted by girls.

[Charlie Kirk]

Okay, so there is a little bit of. I've got to give them credit. There's some creativity here. It's not just, okay, it's still a complete waste of time, but we're getting closer to some redemptive value.

[Blake]

It's interesting for the viewer because you can always tell when somebody's not going to be a good match, but they think they're a good match, so.

[Charlie Kirk]

And then you waste 45 minutes watching.

[Blake]

And then they're like, oh, yeah. And then you're like. You're like, oh, I can't wait for them to meet because they're going to hate each other when they meet, can I?

[Charlie Kirk]

Of course. Love's not blind. Who came up with this stupid idea?

[Jack Posobiec]

Yeah, it's extremely dumb.

[Charlie Kirk]

Okay. But it's. It's. Anyway. Okay.

[Jack Posobiec]

So I feel it's important to remind people, St. Paul said you should only get married if you have, like, the overwhelming hots for somebody this last season.

[Charlie Kirk]

Solomon.

[Jack Posobiec]

It's better to marry than to burn.

[Blake]

There was a guy who, like, looked, you know, you just knew he wasn't going to like the girl. And he saw the girl. He's like, He's. He's just trying to get out of it then because he, like, committed to marrying her. And so after he saw, he's like. You could just tell. He's, like, trying to find a way, but he spent, like, five episodes trying to get out of it.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah. Okay. So, so, so, so. So they. They say they talk, and then they. They commit to marriage.

[Blake]

Yeah.

[Charlie Kirk]

Marriage. Without seeing the other one.

[Blake]

Yes.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah.

[Blake]

Oh, yeah.

[Charlie Kirk]

So what happens if she's like a horse?

[Blake]

That's what I'm saying. The guy showed up and he's like, I don't know if I really, like, below my standards. And then he's trying to get out of it from that point.

[Charlie Kirk]

Okay.

[Blake]

Because then they have to go live together.

[Jack Posobiec]

This is incredible. Daisy just sent this to me. I just want to read it quick. They aren't supposed to talk about appearance, but one season, a guy asked a girl, if, hypothetically, we met at a music festival, would I be able to put you on my shoulders?

[Blake]

That was smart. That's smart.

[Charlie Kirk]

But you can't ask height or weight.

[Jack Posobiec]

You're not supposed to ask about or, like, race either. I think you have to.

[Blake]

You have to guess by their intonation.

[Charlie Kirk]

Got it.

[Blake]

So their nasal.

[Charlie Kirk]

So. So let me understand. So then the. The. The. The moment that we saw that went viral with liberal Becky. Yeah. Was they never saw each other before that moment.

[Jack Posobiec]

Do they. Do they only meet at the altar or do they meet in, like, the days.

[Charlie Kirk]

Is there a pre meeting?

[Jack Posobiec]

There's, like, a room.

[Charlie Kirk]

Daisy says, no, wrong.

[Blake]

There's a room.

[Charlie Kirk]

She says, I'm typing. Oh. So they meet one time before.

[Blake]

There's a room where they meet, and I think they can propose at that exact moment.

[Charlie Kirk]

They can meet if they get engaged. Yeah.

[Blake]

They don't have to get engaged. I think they just have to.

[Charlie Kirk]

So the engagement allows them to meet the person they're going to marry. Do some people call off the engagement after they meet them?

[Blake]

Oh, yeah, Probably a majority.

[Charlie Kirk]

And then they go on a trip together for a week or so.

[Blake]

Yeah. And they have to, like, live together, which is also, of course.

[Charlie Kirk]

So then they basically live together for a few weeks. Okay. So then what we saw. And then they date in person for six weeks until they get married. I just read that Andrew. Daisy's. Daisy is the pop culture person. So then at the altar, they decide what they just.

[Blake]

They're getting married if they're gonna go hang out.

[Charlie Kirk]

Let me understand there. So in this clip, before we get into the clip, these two people invited their entire families on camera to, like, have this public humiliation ritual based on something that might not happen.

[Blake]

I think they all.

[Charlie Kirk]

They're sick.

[Blake]

I think they all have to meet the families.

[Charlie Kirk]

No, but, like, they invite them to the wedding that may or may not happen.

[Jack Posobiec]

Yeah.

[Charlie Kirk]

And all these people, like, yeah, we might be on camera and in front of, like, 100 million people.

[Blake]

Well, a lot of these families meet them beforehand. So, like, during the time that they're hanging out before they get married, like, some of the families get, like, overly involved. So, like, really know a lot about this. A sibling will like, hey, I know this one specific couple because it was hilarious watching this guy see this girl, and you could tell, like, he's really into her. Really into her. And they met, and he's like, oh, that's not my.

[Charlie Kirk]

I'm saying people still watch tv.

[Jack Posobiec]

The big. The big picture here, which has to be brought up is are people who watch reality TV, humans trash TV.

[Blake]

This is 100%.

[Charlie Kirk]

We got to get to the. Because we're crescendoing to the cliche.

[Jack Posobiec]

Okay?

[Charlie Kirk]

We're building. It's. It's like. This is. It's an orchestra. Okay? Bum, bum, bum, bum, bum. Like, it's. We're building. Okay, okay, okay.

[Blake]

Like this.

[Jack Posobiec]

Because flying down the trench, I guarantee.

[Charlie Kirk]

You, most of our audience have never heard of this stupid, stupid thing before, Okay?

[Jack Posobiec]

I guarantee you they have.

[Charlie Kirk]

A lot of our audience has taken Hillsdale Online courses. Okay? We have an enlightened little remnant of American society.

[Jack Posobiec]

They're just going to read classic literature, pray the rosary.

[Charlie Kirk]

I'm telling you right now, a little remnants. They're studying Aristotle when half of the other audiences.

[Jack Posobiec]

All right, all right. Tell us, Chat. Have you watched Love is Blind or at least heard.

[Charlie Kirk]

If you've ever heard of the show, email me freedom@charlie kirk.com.

[Blake]

Can I just. Oh, my gosh.

[Charlie Kirk]

And if so, you should be taxed.

[Blake]

You're gonna have. Some of you guys are like, never. No, I have it. No, but I want to make a pitch, though, to defend the people who have. Including myself, that have gone on the show. No, there's just not very much good TV left. Like, Netflix is a barren waste.

[Jack Posobiec]

So this is great. So we turn to this, because it's awesome.

[Blake]

There's cheap. They just. All they do is cheap stuff.

[Charlie Kirk]

I use Netflix. I used it for one thing, and then it got unuseful for Seinfeld. Seinfeld reruns.

[Blake]

Yeah.

[Charlie Kirk]

And they got. I think they still have it.

[Blake]

I bought them all during COVID and then I got to watch them.

[Charlie Kirk]

Hulu has Frazier now. So I got Hulu for Frasier and Seinfeld for Netflix, and everything else is Netflix. Can we just pause how awful Netflix has become last five years? It's not. You guys should cancel the subscription if you're watching this crap. It's such a waste.

[Jack Posobiec]

Have you canceled?

[Blake]

There's no.

[Charlie Kirk]

Because I do. Fine. And I like Seinfeld for me, by the way. I don't. I don't want people to complain about their financial situation, which I'm not. I'm very blessed. If you were paying for Netflix.

[Jack Posobiec]

I don't pay for a single subscription service.

[Charlie Kirk]

For the record, I also used it to watch the Thanksgiving football game, of which they did a terrible job promoting.

[Blake]

There is no way you don't have a single subscription.

[Jack Posobiec]

I mean. Well, I mean, I have, like, my Power Bill, but, like, I don't have a streaming service. I don't have. I don't have a Spot. I don't have Spotify.

[Blake]

You do not not have a single subscription.

[Jack Posobiec]

Like what? Like Power.

[Charlie Kirk]

No, it's not a subscription.

[Blake]

I'm gonna make you download whatever that app is. Like, we. No free ads here for that.

[Charlie Kirk]

No.

[Jack Posobiec]

Like what? I don't know.

[Charlie Kirk]

I don't have Netflix now.

[Jack Posobiec]

I don't have Amazon Prime.

[Blake]

There's an app that looks up all your subscriptions.

[Jack Posobiec]

You have I don't have Spotify. I don't have See, I have all of these.

[Charlie Kirk]

I'm like, I am.

[Jack Posobiec]

I don't have any tv.

[Blake]

I have a million.

[Jack Posobiec]

I don't have, like, I got. I don't have Microsoft.

[Charlie Kirk]

I got fubu.

[Jack Posobiec]

I don't have Microsoft gaming. I don't have any other video game ones.

[Charlie Kirk]

Hulu. I got Netflix. I got Amazon. I got YouTube TV. I've made a bunch of people, a lot of.

[Jack Posobiec]

I don't have, like, I'm not in, like, dollar Shave Club or whatever. That stuff is where they, like, send you a razor every month.

[Blake]

Oh, I've got, like, Amazon Kindle.

[Jack Posobiec]

I'm not on. I don't have Kindle. I don't have Audible.

[Blake]

Brooks is on Xbox. I've got Sirius xm.

[Charlie Kirk]

I'm with Andrew. I hate not wanting to watch a sporting event and not having it.

[Jack Posobiec]

I.

[Charlie Kirk]

And then that's why I Peacock. I get these emails from Peacock. I don't care about Peacock. But the Peacock takes the big ten, which is now Oregon. It's. The whole thing's all Primevy.

[Blake]

I will, I will say prime video is good.

[Charlie Kirk]

I agree. Prime is great. You know why I like Prime? I could purchase movies I want to watch.

[Blake]

Yeah, and you keep it forever.

[Charlie Kirk]

The best of all is YouTube TV. YouTube TV is the best.

[Blake]

Yeah.

[Charlie Kirk]

It's objectively for live TV. It has great coverage. Okay, so back to the love is blind.

[Blake]

I can't believe you don't have a subscription.

[Charlie Kirk]

I, I, I don't think that's crazy. You don't have a magazine subscription.

[Blake]

That's like, cannibalism.

[Charlie Kirk]

I read magazines.

[Blake]

Are you a cannibal?

[Jack Posobiec]

And, like, I'm not subscribed to, like, any, like, online websites, which is why I always have to figure out how to get around people's paywalls.

[Charlie Kirk]

Why do you even have any?

[Blake]

Not gaming. What?

[Charlie Kirk]

What do you have?

[Blake]

I always watch.

[Charlie Kirk]

You get any spam.

[Blake]

That's a subscription.

[Jack Posobiec]

That's not a. That. No, it's not.

[Charlie Kirk]

It's free.

[Jack Posobiec]

Yeah, that's free.

[Charlie Kirk]

Do you have TSA Pre?

[Jack Posobiec]

Nope. Why would I need TSA Pre?

[Charlie Kirk]

Check that one. I almost got him. That one is a subscription.

[Jack Posobiec]

I don't.

[Blake]

What about Uber Plus?

[Jack Posobiec]

No. Uber Eats. I take Uber, like, only for Turning Point Times where I have to fly and get to the airport and, like, that's it. Uber Eats. I don't, I don't think I've had. I don't think I've gotten a meal delivered by Uber Eats or doordash since I came to Arizona.

[Charlie Kirk]

Two years, like, has Turning Point eats. It's a lot better.

[Jack Posobiec]

Yeah, it's way better. It's way better.

[Blake]

Crazy. I can't believe.

[Jack Posobiec]

This is. This is how. This is how one amasses capital as a millennial. They avoid the 8 million different millennial like consumption tax.

[Charlie Kirk]

All right, that's my. That's me. So speaking of the show, I am trying to send. So then let's play this piece of tape. So let me understand. So it all culminates with liberal woman and beta male dude kind of on the altar in this incredibly viral clip. Let's play the longer clip and keep all of us alive, guys. Let's play it.

[Angela]

I love you so much.

[Charlie Kirk]

But I've.

[Angela]

Always wanted a partner to be on the same wavelength, and so today I can't.

[Charlie Kirk]

The music.

[Jack Posobiec]

Boom.

[Blake]

I love you so much, and I.

[Jack Posobiec]

Want to stay with you and keep growing our relationship.

[Charlie Kirk]

If you'll let me.

[Angela]

We'll see.

[Blake]

All of America. No, no, no.

[Charlie Kirk]

We got to keep playing it. No, no, that's not even the case.

[Jack Posobiec]

There's a couple more clips. Yeah.

[Charlie Kirk]

By the way, I would have told her to get out of here. And. Yeah, cash my check from Love is Blind and go away.

[Blake]

All of America lost total respect for this dude. He just looked like such a.

[Jack Posobiec]

Apparently they continue to date for weeks after this. Even she was like, I can't get married now. But, like, they kept dating, which Daisy informs us of because she's a watcher of Love is Blind.

[Charlie Kirk]

Okay, do we have the kicker where she's sitting around her liberal relatives in the car?

[Blake]

Yeah.

[Angela]

So they asked him to like what his church is views are, and he said he didn't know. And so then I watched a sermon online from his church about, yeah, sexual identity.

[Charlie Kirk]

Okay.

[Angela]

And it was traditional. I told that.

[Charlie Kirk]

Oh, my God.

[Angela]

Doesn't really have much to say about it. You know, I want them to think about that stuff. Sometimes I did wonder if it was surface fun, carefree love that we had. Equality, religion.

[Charlie Kirk]

The vaccine, the vaccine.

[Blake]

The vaccine. Of course, the vaccine.

[Charlie Kirk]

So I've commented on this extensively. The guy is at fault here for A, not standing up for himself, B, not leaving her. Jack, I know you're an avid Love is Blind fan.

[Tyler]

What is your take on this episode? Yeah, no, I mean, look, this. This kind of goes back to, you know, funny enough, like, it goes back to what I was saying in the other segment where we've just got too many people in this country that have this fried mental model that are, like, over socialized. People are way too invested in politics into their personal lives. They, they bring these things out and they bring these things up as if it's some kind of like deep seated commitment to them. And look, you know, I certainly want, you know, people to understand what's going on in their country, but the idea that you're going to run your entire life over what someone's views on like BLMR or, or some, you know, some kind of like, like. And if you're just like some normie, like, that's, that's not actually a good situation for the country. Right. Like, we don't want to be so over politicized. We want people to be getting married and having kids and sort of going on about their life and they're having their quality of life be, you know, somewhat stable and living in a system that's somewhat stable. So the fact that, the fact that politics in general is so mainstreamed is it just kind of shows how bad things have gotten up into this point, you know, up through the 2024 moment. The 2020 moment, obviously, because in a stable society, you know, people are just kind of going about their lives and you're not going to be mixing politics with like a dating show. Go back to what was the old. Oh my gosh, the dating show on MTV back in the day. Like the original dating show, the one.

[Charlie Kirk]

That Sean Duffy was on.

[Tyler]

Singled Out. Thank you. Singled Out Single Files got me in the chat and like you would never ever hear anyone talk about politics on a dating show in the 90s. It literally didn't exist. It's like, what music do you listen to? What movies do you like? That's awesome. You know, and just, just, just not a thing. Yeah. And yeah, everyone's chatting that Sean Duffy and his wife actually met on the Real World, which was the original reality TV show. Rachel Campo Stuffy and their incredible family and obviously incredible relationship that actually started on another reality show also on MTV called the Real World.

[Blake]

And the Real World did start to edge into the political and religious stuff, but not. So that was like a whole point.

[Jack Posobiec]

I think, because like the idea was.

[Blake]

They tried to put like a bunch of people who are different because like.

[Jack Posobiec]

Sean Duffy's season iron I just, because I looked him up once was like, he had. They had a person in their house, like who. Because John Duffy was like conservative and then like they had a person who was like, had aids. So he was like, you know, because this is the early 90s and so that was much more taboo then.

[Blake]

But Jack straight, like the old dating shows were so much more like, fluffy and just fun and stupid. Right? And, like, just, like, you never would get that deep. That wasn't the point. It was like, that was it. The real world was the first, like.

[Jack Posobiec]

Real reality show, which really goes at the truth of this, which is the cosmic thing that's important, which is, one, reality TV is actually fake, and two, people who watch reality TV should not be allowed to vote. Sorry, Tyler. Yeah, we're revoking it. Like, I. I am on now that I. I don't watch reality TV yet, I will continue my jihad against reality tv. Tv.

[Blake]

There's no reality TV that. That, like, is okay to you?

[Jack Posobiec]

A decade ago, I watched a few episodes of Bar Rescue because I kind of enjoyed the part where he would explain, like, how to run a bar correctly. Like, the business side of it was cool. But then I realized it was all fake because I saw a preview for an episode, and they were like, this bar is out of control. And the. The owner was, like, a clearly staged shot where, like, he just slept. Like, she's like, why are you carrying it that way? And he slaps, like, a tray out of someone's hand.

[Blake]

I think the survival shows are fun.

[Charlie Kirk]

But, I mean, I'm trying to think of. The last reality TV show I've watched is American Idol. Reality tv.

[Jack Posobiec]

I. I feel like that's a consideration.

[Tyler]

So I would say no. I would say no. I don't even think the Apprentice is a reality tv. I disagree because it's.

[Jack Posobiec]

It's like a. It's a contest.

[Charlie Kirk]

American Idol for four or five seasons was a game shows right now, teenagers. Yeah, American Idol was a good show the first five seasons. Well, I think it was a great show.

[Blake]

I think American Idol is cool because.

[Charlie Kirk]

We also had some from our high school win, so that was.

[Blake]

Yeah, you actually had to, like, achieve something.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah, we had someone from our high school literally win. It's amazing.

[Blake]

Yeah. What's her face? That was here in Arizona.

[Charlie Kirk]

Haley Reinhart was her name.

[Blake]

Oh, yeah.

[Jack Posobiec]

Danny Wright says that I am a TV snob, and they are correct. Although snob is almost overselling. I just don't watch tv. I think the.

[Blake]

I like. I like, even though it's a little bit fake, too, is, like, naked and afraid. And those ones, like, the survival. There's survival. It's. It's cool to watch.

[Jack Posobiec]

What was the other thing? Are they gonna die?

[Charlie Kirk]

There's a cameraman next to him. They're not gonna let him die.

[Jack Posobiec]

Like, oh, wow.

[Blake]

But they do lose a lot of weight. That should Be like today's fat camp.

[Jack Posobiec]

That would be cool.

[Charlie Kirk]

Like, yeah, no, Angelo likes the gold mining reality shows. What are these shows?

[Jack Posobiec]

Those are really bad. I'm sorry, Angela, we're gonna shame you. Like, those are the ones in the History channel where they do Ice Road Truckers. What was so done with Ice Road Truckers is the entire conceit of Ice Road Truckers is like, this is a super dangerous job. And like, the only reason to watch is in theory the ice could break and they would like die. But that never happens. So what's the point of all?

[Charlie Kirk]

Andrew says this, Blake, you play more video games than I watch tv. Which is worse?

[Jack Posobiec]

One, I don't think that's actually true. And two, like, who cares? Actually, probably watching TV is worse.

[Charlie Kirk]

I actually think watching TV could be worse.

[Jack Posobiec]

Yeah, like you're just literally just there. Passive observer.

[Charlie Kirk]

I think they're both irredeemable.

[Jack Posobiec]

But what I will say is the, I think the CDC or whoever, when they were doing one of their obesity warnings, they were commenting on how much TV is America tv. Americans watched and they were like suggesting you should be more active. And one of their ways to suggest being more active for the. The truly hopeless watch 40 hours of TV a week was try playing video games instead. Because you at least like move your hands.

[Blake]

I have a different take. I think video games are worse because I think veg out tv, like when you're going to sleep or whatever. I think a lot of people do that doesn't take away as much other than your sleep, which is health concern.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah. Video games can have a ramp up video games.

[Blake]

You have to like go remove yourself from reality, sit in a box and be there. And then the other thing with video games is this is like, it's so lonely.

[Charlie Kirk]

Do you play computer games or do you play like console video games?

[Jack Posobiec]

I play some console games. Not super often.

[Charlie Kirk]

What, is Xbox still around?

[Jack Posobiec]

It's still around. I don't own one. Well, I own a PlayStation still. PlayStation still around.

[Blake]

What do you play?

[Charlie Kirk]

So when kids say they play video games, what do they play?

[Jack Posobiec]

Oh, that would vary a ton.

[Charlie Kirk]

I mean, what's the most popular today? Fortnight, probably, or what console is that in?

[Jack Posobiec]

Those are on everything nowadays. Like the big thing there is every game is on every system I play with. No, so because I grew up in.

[Charlie Kirk]

A world where Halo was only on.

[Jack Posobiec]

Yeah, yeah. That's not Only Nintendo games are like that.

[Charlie Kirk]

And then I turned 18, I was like, this is a waste of time and go build something.

[Blake]

Yeah, well, Halo's still only on Xbox, but. Really?

[Charlie Kirk]

So that's not on PlayStation?

[Jack Posobiec]

No, that's. Isn't that on PC now?

[Blake]

No.

[Jack Posobiec]

Maybe it's on PC.

[Charlie Kirk]

So not everything's on everything, but can we play the Halo music? It's really good. Keep going.

[Blake]

Well, the guys.

[Jack Posobiec]

Oh, I never play well.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah, I haven't played it. We played 11, 13 years.

[Blake]

We played Halo like it was our day job in high school. That's like. We played.

[Charlie Kirk]

So is Call of Duty still around Call of Duty?

[Blake]

So I'll play Call of Duty with Brooks. So I play Call of Duty and I'm bad. But there's some fun games on there.

[Jack Posobiec]

Yeah, there's some. There's so many now. And like, a lot of them, like, I will deliberately avoid because they can be such an addictive time sink. Like, they'll play. They play those, like, Paradox strategy games where you're just like conquering the world and people will play like 5,000 hours of that.

[Blake]

I'll play with Brooks, like Madden or a hockey. Because It's. It's like 15 minutes, you sit down, you play a game and you're out.

[Charlie Kirk]

That's not Halo.

[Jack Posobiec]

What is this?

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah, seriously.

[Jack Posobiec]

Even I know that.

[Charlie Kirk]

By the way, the guy that wrote the Halo songs, like a Winger. We talked about that.

[Jack Posobiec]

Yeah, this program, he didn't win, unfortunately.

[Blake]

Like fourth place.

[Charlie Kirk]

The original Halo song. Exactly right.

[Tyler]

Okay, so Gregorian chant.

[Jack Posobiec]

Martin O'Donnell.

[Blake]

Marty O'Donnell. He came in like 34.

[Tyler]

Trump supported him, by the way.

[Charlie Kirk]

He's in Vegas now. This is. This is good music. This, that. You know what? You know why this is good music? It feels like you're on a home screen.

[Blake]

Oh, my gosh.

[Charlie Kirk]

It feels as if you're going through settings and, you know, it has that kind of aura.

[Blake]

We used to play all night long in my parents basement.

[Charlie Kirk]

We would completely sympathize.

[Blake]

We would sync up Xboxes and we would play, you know, whatever that was, that map, Blood Gulch, and trying to think of the other one.

[Charlie Kirk]

There was like Misty Mountain or something.

[Blake]

Oh, man. Oh, yeah, yeah, I remember that one we played. There was one called Damnation that we played.

[Charlie Kirk]

I gotta look.

[Blake]

That wasn't great.

[Jack Posobiec]

We played Capture the Flag now, listing off random games and the people are listing age vampires.

[Blake]

I do still play, I'm gonna tell you right now.

[Jack Posobiec]

Which is still awesome.

[Blake]

I'm gonna tell you right now, because.

[Charlie Kirk]

They released Battle Creek.

[Blake]

Battle Creek, Yeah. Valkyrie there was the big one too.

[Charlie Kirk]

Oh, I was.

[Blake]

Hingham High was good. But there was this one game this map you can play on the new Halo because they have it and they just revamped and read it. All the originals. Damnation. One flag. Capture the flag.

[Charlie Kirk]

Okay, so what is Roblox?

[Jack Posobiec]

Roblox should be. I think it's like a platform so, like, people can make games in it.

[Charlie Kirk]

So is that an Xbox?

[Jack Posobiec]

I think that's. Again, it's on, like, everything that's. A lot of kids get really into robots.

[Charlie Kirk]

What is the purpose of Fortnite? What. What is. What is the Thesis Fortnight?

[Jack Posobiec]

The gimmick of it was it popularized? They call them Battle Royales. And so the idea was 100 people would be in a game at once.

[Charlie Kirk]

So that's like the Leeway Jacob thing.

[Jack Posobiec]

No, that's World of Warcraft. So this is like 100 people would be in a game at once, which is way more like, you know, Halo. You could be like 4v4 at best. But this was. You can have 100 people and it's called a Battle Royale. So they go to. Only one is left. It has other game modes they've added over time, too. I know what makes it popular is, like, you can be like, any character in it at this point. So, like, you can be Spider man, you can be Mario. You can be like. There's a million different characters that you can be.

[Blake]

Well, and now Call of Duty is doing that.

[Jack Posobiec]

Yeah, exactly.

[Blake]

So Call of Duty. Now you can be a Ninja Turtle.

[Jack Posobiec]

No, great.

[Charlie Kirk]

I just.

[Blake]

Okay, so Call of Duty, that's.

[Charlie Kirk]

So basically my. My takeaway is that nothing has really changed. The same games are still basically the same popular games.

[Blake]

Yeah, but they're really nice, dude.

[Tyler]

Charlie, I. I completely agree with you.

[Charlie Kirk]

Oh, okay. No, I. I'm not. Please, Jack, affirm me, because I am a. I'm a stranger.

[Tyler]

My kids, you know, my kids are kind of at the age where they're starting to, like, to get, you know, like, video game curious. We don't have games in the house, but they'll, like, you know, we have like a. Like a. One of those smart TVs. And so they could see. They could see kind of like, you know, videos of people playing games. Or they'll. They'll go through the store and look at games and you look at stuff and you're like, okay, Minecraft is just a ripoff of Legos in 3D. Roblox is just a ripoff of Minecraft. There's another one, actually. Cernovich was telling me about it the other day that his kids are into, and I looked into it. And I'm like, this is just a ripoff of all the same games again. And then when you go and look at like the actual popular, non sort of like building things games, it's literally all the same characters that were popular in like the late 80s, early 90s. It's like, here's another Mario, here's another Sonic, here's another Ninja Turtles, and on and on and on. And it's like the one. I'll throw it out. Like the one that. The only one that I've heard that's like kind of new is Five Nights at Freddy's, which I'm not even going to get into right now. But like the vast majority of games that you go out and see right now, like just, you know, walking through the aisle looking, I'm like, wait a minute. These are all the exact same games and characters that were around like 30 years ago.

[Jack Posobiec]

What about the.

[Blake]

But the only. Like they brought up the battle royale thing did change everything, but other than that there was like no changes.

[Tyler]

So.

[Charlie Kirk]

But let me list it off. Okay. So the most popular games of 2025, Call of Duty, I had that and then I grew up. Madden had that Final Fantasy 8 rebirth which existed. EA Sports, FC25, I'm guessing is soccer.

[Blake]

Yeah.

[Charlie Kirk]

And then Minecraft, literally nothing has. And then Grand Theft Auto is so great. GTA was huge when I was growing up. That's still.

[Jack Posobiec]

No, Grand Theft Auto 5 is the most successful entertainment property of any kind of all time.

[Charlie Kirk]

Well, it says Tetris is more popular.

[Jack Posobiec]

No, they're, they're wrong. GTA 5 has sold like I think over a hundred million copies.

[Blake]

There's a.

[Charlie Kirk]

There's a 200 million here, but yeah.

[Jack Posobiec]

Oh, 200 million. Yeah.

[Blake]

There's a new Grand Theft Auto coming out.

[Jack Posobiec]

Yeah. Everybody's looking forward to. That's wild with this is it Take one reason it's all the same old stuff is it takes them like, you know how we can't do anything in America anymore because it costs 15 times as much as it used to? Same thing with video games. So you used to make a Mario game with a team of 20 people and it took.

[Charlie Kirk]

Which one was Grand Theft Auto 5? Was that LA?

[Jack Posobiec]

Yeah. Yeah. Or they, they don't call it L.

[Charlie Kirk]

A but it was like San Andreas. Los Santos.

[Jack Posobiec]

Los Santos in the state of San Andreas.

[Charlie Kirk]

So they have not done a new grand theft auto in 12 years.

[Blake]

It's been a long time.

[Jack Posobiec]

And like.

[Charlie Kirk]

So let me ask you, have the graphics gotten better in 12 years? They look the Same.

[Jack Posobiec]

A bit, but it slowed down a lot like it used to be. You really could tell. You know, it goes 2D.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah, look, the shadow dimensions and stuff looks largely the same.

[Jack Posobiec]

I mean, even most games that come out today, like on place, they're on PlayStation 5 now. Most games that come out on PlayStation 5 will also still have a PlayStation 4 version. Well, it's just slightly not. I don't know.

[Blake]

Call of Duty looks a lot better than it was a few years ago.

[Jack Posobiec]

I wouldn't know.

[Blake]

But. But I'll tell you this. Red Dead Redemption. Is that the.

[Jack Posobiec]

Is that red Dead Redemption 2? That came out like a decade ago.

[Blake]

That came out a while ago, but that is a fun game. That's like Grand Theft Auto, but it's in the wild.

[Jack Posobiec]

You're on a horse.

[Blake]

You're on a horse. That's actually fun. Like, Brooks was playing that for a little bit. You could just mess around and just like hijack horses and stuff like that.

[Charlie Kirk]

So the video game I went all in on was Star. Star Wars, Knights of the Old Republic. Anyone else know that?

[Blake]

Yeah, I remember that. Yeah, that was.

[Tyler]

That was a lotar.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yes.

[Blake]

At the time, wasn't that the most expensive?

[Jack Posobiec]

Were you side or dark side?

[Tyler]

Charlie, you were a coz. Our guy with one or two?

[Charlie Kirk]

I think one. Yeah. Okay. I tried two and I hated it. It was definitely one. It was definitely one.

[Tyler]

Two was like rushed. One did really well, and then two was like super rushed. It was like, kind of used a different.

[Charlie Kirk]

So, like, developer. So. So hold on. It was. It was. It was called a massively multiplayer online role playing series. What. What was it?

[Tyler]

I never played the online.

[Charlie Kirk]

What is an rpg?

[Jack Posobiec]

RPG is role playing games.

[Charlie Kirk]

Which means you could have different directions. Yeah.

[Jack Posobiec]

And like you level up your character that you adjust their stats.

[Charlie Kirk]

That. Yeah, exactly.

[Jack Posobiec]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then mmorpg, massively multiplayer online role playing, when there's hundreds of people, thousands of people.

[Charlie Kirk]

I'm not interested in that. But yes, I. I took the dark side.

[Blake]

I think Knights of the Old Republic, I think that was like the most expensive game ever made. When they made it.

[Tyler]

It.

[Blake]

It was like. It's supposed to be like.

[Jack Posobiec]

You might be thinking of the Old Republic. Just the Old Republic, which was. That was an MMORPG they made.

[Tyler]

The Old Republic was the. Was the online one.

[Jack Posobiec]

The Tor Tanic, they called it.

[Charlie Kirk]

Hold on, wait, maybe I'm confused. Which one is which.

[Jack Posobiec]

So Knights of the Old Republic was your 1 player. It has a story and everything. And then there was one called Just the Old Republic, which came out a decade later and was like massively hyped and we won't go.

[Charlie Kirk]

Night Republic came out in 2003 and I'm looking at images of it. It looks as good as video games today. Like that.

[Jack Posobiec]

That is not true.

[Blake]

I think.

[Charlie Kirk]

I'm sorry, I'm just looking at.

[Blake]

I think they said that on VR. Yeah, I think they've made this, the. That game on VR. Like a. Maybe a cheaper version.

[Charlie Kirk]

That was an objectively good video game.

[Jack Posobiec]

It was good, but it, it does not look like what they're putting out today. I will, I will contest that one. Like, the last big leap, I would say, like, was probably about 10 years ago. And then since then, yeah, they improve, but it's on the margins. And they're like, oh, you need to have a 4K TV to see this.

[Blake]

Yeah, I've always wanted so one of the. The game. So the games within the games. Like on Call of Duty, if you've never played this. This is the only time I've sat and played something by myself. And it was with, with my son, with Brooks is the zombies thing that is like, actually creepy. Like, it gets to different points where if like you're in a dark room and all that stuff, it like creeps you out while you're doing it.

[Charlie Kirk]

It.

[Blake]

It's interesting.

[Charlie Kirk]

All right, really quick on daylight savings, then we got to run.

[Jack Posobiec]

All right, well, we, we have to revisit this topic because Abolish, first of all, had daylight savings time inflicted on us indirectly because we got shifted back to Pacific Time. And then, you know, I'm.

[Charlie Kirk]

I think we should keep Arizona on Pacific time.

[Blake]

Yes, I agree.

[Charlie Kirk]

Tyler and I are in complete 100%.

[Blake]

You feel off. I feel like.

[Charlie Kirk]

I totally agree.

[Jack Posobiec]

I definitely feel off now that I'm three hours behind Eastern time.

[Charlie Kirk]

I love being three hours. You know why? Because it's 7:00 Eastern right now and everyone's going to bed. And I got a couple hours to get all my thoughts organized, do some texts, do some emails, and then if I wake up at 7:30, the East coast has already sent all their messages to me. So I'm waking up to all of their work. It is, it is more efficient.

[Jack Posobiec]

But what if you had to wake up at 4am Charlie, I'm not a.

[Charlie Kirk]

I'm not a trader. Like, I'm not a hedge fund manager.

[Jack Posobiec]

But. No, but Charlie, what if, what if, for example, you had to pre tape your show at an early hour?

[Charlie Kirk]

Blake, for the record, I've woken up at Ungodly hours. Many times for 13 years. Okay. I've taken more 6am flights than I think any person on the planet besides pilots and flight attendants. So. But yes. So let me just make sure I understand the, the, the pushes to eradicate any time switch in the winter is.

[Jack Posobiec]

That the push is the time switch. We are on the switch time right now. So this is normal time is. No, normal time is in the winter, the daylight savings time.

[Charlie Kirk]

Oh, no, no, we should keep it how it is right now. Oh, no.

[Jack Posobiec]

This is where we are at war, Charlie.

[Charlie Kirk]

This is where. This is a bunch.

[Jack Posobiec]

Jack and I are at war.

[Charlie Kirk]

Bunch of bald. See? See, what we want. Forget the Pacific time. What we want though is. You know how beautiful it was in dc. DC is a terrible place. It's Sodom. It's awful.

[Jack Posobiec]

No, it's not beautiful in D.C. you.

[Charlie Kirk]

Know how beautiful it was All. The Sun's setting at 7:30 now. Yeah, it's amazing. Everyone was happier, chippier, chipper. Everyone was like more pleasant. Why would we not want the sun to be out longer?

[Jack Posobiec]

Charlie, the sun is out the same amount of time.

[Charlie Kirk]

No, not if.

[Tyler]

Yeah, actually the same amount of time. Charlie.

[Charlie Kirk]

If you wake up at 5:30, it is if you're a farmer.

[Jack Posobiec]

Yeah.

[Charlie Kirk]

Which most people aren't.

[Jack Posobiec]

Charlie. The farmers don't like standard time that we use was set by.

[Charlie Kirk]

I know. The farmers don't like daylight saving because they get up early. Okay, here's the thing. Listen, the, the, the. And by the way, the sun is not out the same amount of time all year. That's not true.

[Jack Posobiec]

But it's out the same amount of time regardless of what. Whether we use D.

[Charlie Kirk]

First system. It's not technically true if you design your. Hold on. It's not technically true if you design your day around Eastern time, of which I do because I have a radio show. So the sun. That's not exactly.

[Jack Posobiec]

Charlie, the sun will be above the horizon the same amount of time whether you are on daylight savings time or not.

[Tyler]

No matter what, Charlie. Are up the same amount of time.

[Charlie Kirk]

You guys are technically correct. Okay? But it gets longer throughout the year. However. However, if you configure. If you configure your clock back or forward a day, then you adjust your own circadian rhythm. I like the sun in the evening. Yeah, sun in evening. I am team sun in evening.

[Jack Posobiec]

Charlie, when the sun is going down in the evening is when God was telling us that we should be preparing ourselves for rest by bringing darkness to the world. And when we engage in daylight Savings time. We rebel against God, and that is the sin of pride.

[Charlie Kirk]

Wait, so you're trying to just. So I understand that. So for eight months out of the year, we are on.

[Jack Posobiec]

We are on daylight savings time for eight months out of the year.

[Charlie Kirk]

Oh, okay. I get them confused.

[Jack Posobiec]

And it was invented. It didn't use, by the way, Communist Democrats.

[Charlie Kirk]

See, Andrew's all confused.

[Jack Posobiec]

To daily savings time was invented by Democrats.

[Charlie Kirk]

I don't care who invented what. I like it. I like it. I like. I like the beautiful. I like the beautiful evening.

[Jack Posobiec]

Charlie Kerrick's gonna go back in time to make sure that, like, FDR gets elected to six terms as president to reward him.

[Charlie Kirk]

All I know is that there's more sunlight because we change the clocks in the evening.

[Jack Posobiec]

We need to have Huberman on about this. He's on our side with this right now.

[Tyler]

Huberman's 100% correct.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah, Huberman's all screwed up on this. Okay. I mean, he's like, oh, you want morning sun. You know what? I like evening sun. Evening sun's very good for you.

[Jack Posobiec]

Morning, Morning sun.

[Charlie Kirk]

And for the record, he says both are good. Both morning and evening sun can be.

[Jack Posobiec]

Good for you, but you can get evening sun no matter what.

[Blake]

Why wouldn't you want. This is really basic stuff. Why wouldn't you? I think society functions better when you can go home from work and spend time with your family.

[Charlie Kirk]

Everyone is happier when we spring ahead.

[Blake]

Why would you want to go home in the dark every all year long?

[Jack Posobiec]

You can spend time with your family.

[Charlie Kirk]

Even if in the morning.

[Blake]

That's not true. Some people have.

[Charlie Kirk]

Like to go spend time with your kids.

[Blake]

Most people, they have to work 9 to 5, and at 9 to 5, you're gonna have more.

[Charlie Kirk]

So you leave at dark, get home at dark. I think that's crazy.

[Blake]

That's crazy. It's crazy. Or leave in the morning, who cares? You're stressed, you have to go to work, go home, spend time in your front yard or your backyard swinging in the swings with your kids from 6 to 8pm completely.

[Jack Posobiec]

And I will just note, by the way, Charlie, like, you are aware that the sun is going down at the same time here in Arizona, regardless.

[Charlie Kirk]

Because I am aware. But it changes based on your configuration.

[Tyler]

Yeah, that's what's funny is that, like, the Arizona guys are all up in arms over it, but actually doesn't affect them at all.

[Charlie Kirk]

It does if you are on Eastern position time.

[Blake]

It doesn't.

[Charlie Kirk]

I have to wake up now an hour earlier because of time changing. Yeah.

[Blake]

And Charlie's right too. You feel different. So it's either you're going to feel one way or the other. I'm just telling you. I've lived here my whole life. I feel off when it's more mountain time. I hate it.

[Charlie Kirk]

I agree.

[Blake]

I hate it.

[Charlie Kirk]

I. I like being three hours behind. I see all the news of the day. I'm processing it has good Inc. And by the way, we end the show at 11am you know how awesome that is? I have the full day ahead of me.

[Blake]

Yep.

[Charlie Kirk]

All right. With that, everybody keep on committing thought crimes and I will personally lobby the President to keep it lighter later.

[Tyler]

Reject.

[Charlie Kirk]

Talk to you soon.