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THOUGHTCRIME Ep. 79 — Real-Life Dire Wolves? Austin Metcalf and Karmelo Anthony?
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Jack
From the age of Big Brother.
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Tyler
If they want to get you, they'll get you. The NSA specifically targets the communications of everyone.
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Jack
They're collecting your communications. All right, ladies and gentlemen, welcome aboard for this week's edition of Thought Crime Thursday. Charlie, of course, is out on assignment. We know that he's on the campuses right now. It's hard to lock in Charlie's schedule because he's spending so much time on the campuses talking to literally thousands and thousands of students all across the country as they come to him on these campuses, on these camps. Camp High. Camp High. Maybe we'll ask Blake about that one and try to, you know, try to deal with. With a lot of the leftist social conditioning that they're getting on these campuses. But as, as it stands, we have assembled still a panel of thought criminals for you this evening. So let's check it out. I think we've got Blake. What's up, Blake?
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Blake
Howdy, Jack. I'm doing great. Yeah, I. I think it's. I think it'll just be campuses, but we can. We can really lay it on campuses. Campi. Campi.
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Jack
I like campai.
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Blake
Say whatever you want.
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Jack
The. And then we've got Tyler there at home. The only one of us in home base right now.
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Tyler
That's right. We're in four different places, but I'm here. I'm. I'm in the desert.
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Jack
And of course, we've got producer Andrew Colvette. AK47.
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Andrew
Yep. Not wearing a Dodger hat, although I do see that Tyler's wearing his. His. What are. What's that team called that, that irrelevant team in the.
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Tyler
Yeah, the. The fifth, the 50 or the 500 team right now?
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Andrew
The 500 team, the Diamondbacks. You guys used to have some good teams. Anyways, we got lots to cover today.
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Tyler
We had higher. Yeah, we do for pitching this year, so. But it's not working out.
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Jack
And the. The first story that, you know, this was one of those ones where it. It feels like it's almost kind of tailor made for a thought crime type show because it's something where it doesn't necessarily fit into the normal news of the day, but it's this massive culture war issue that's going on throughout the country. And it's been roiling social media. Not so much. I think the case itself, this criminal case that happened down in Frisco, Texas, but the aftermath to it has become this, this massive social media just explosion of interest and explosion of debate and controversy, but actually in some instances, not so much debate and controversy and disinformation. And misinformation and fake news. And this is the case of the murder of of course, teenage high school football star Austin Metcalf by his alleged assailant, we'll say alleged for legal purposes, Carmelo Anthony. Now what's the, you know, the case, if you haven't heard at this point, I think everyone really has murdered. At a track meet there was an issue over a seat and Carmelo Anthony, who by the way admits this to police and police reports, stabbed him in the heart, killing him almost, almost instantly or very quickly at the track meet on the bleachers. But what's, what's gotten really, I think everyone riled up so much is the fact that there are now two crowdfunds. And this is sort of emblematic of the social media age in which we live. There are two crowd funds now, one for legal defenses for Carmelo Anthony and then one for the family of Austin Metcalfe. And it's, it's almost like they're kind of competing to see who can raise or which sides can raise more money in the case. The one on GoFundMe for Austin Metcalfe, as we record this, has over $310,000, whereas the legal defense fund for Carmelo Anthony has $284,000. So they both sit right around the $300,000 mark. And you know, I guess we'll go to, we'll go to Blake first really quickly is, is Blake, you know, when you, when, when you're looking at this case, let's, let's talk about it from the facts perspective. So Carmelo Anthony, his supporters say that he was acting in self defense. Is there anything that you've seen and I'm sorry to put you on the spot, I don't know if you've really like, you know, dug into this case or not. I know you're on the tour with Charlie there, but is there anything that you've seen that would provide for this self defense argument?
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Blake
Well, a lot more details are going to come out on this. I have to imagine it is all very vague what took place. It does seem to be a lot of rumors. I think the most recent accounts for what happened, as they say it was a, they say it was a seating dispute. I believe it was reported on Fox recently. Whether it was a seat or not. It was, it seems that Carmelo was allegedly like it was for a sporting event and he was where the other team was supposed to be. So it might have been, it might have been that he was fraternizing Before a match, it might have been that he was causing mischief before. Match unclear. I haven't heard more details on that. And that, you know, self defense.
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Jack
I should have. I should have called for this because we actually do have the side on it. Let's play real quick. Two to one. This is what Blake is talking about.
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News Clip
School track meet in Frisco, Texas. They're trying to figure out how this guy even got a knife in there in the first place. It happened in Frisco, just outside of Dallas. Witnesses say Anthony was under the opposing team's tent and wouldn't leave when he was asked to. That's when witnesses say Metcalf stepped in. Anthony reportedly challenged him, saying, touch me and see what happens. When Metcalf grabbed him, John, Police say Anthony pulled out a black knife and stabbed him right in the chest. According to reports, Metcalf died in his twin brother's arms.
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Jack
Okay, so, yeah, that's.
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Blake
That's okay.
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Jack
Pretty much what. What you had said before, I had heard some other information about, you know, it was raining and, you know, it's a track meet. If anyone who's run track, you know, the kind of. They kind of set up those tents on the bleachers, but, you know, each team, and there could be multiple teams there, multiple schools there at a track meet. That's kind of how it works. So, you know, each team will set up their. Their tent for the bleachers. And, you know, we don't have the information exactly on. On whose team was supposed to be where or anything like this. And. But what's really been crazy is I've also seen there's. There's been a ton of misinformation that spread. People were even making like. I don't know if you guys have seen this. There have been fake Facebook posts that were made by the sheriffs talking some. They literally made a fake post from the Frisco police or, you know, the sheriff's department saying that, oh, there was a fight and there was a huge altercation and somewhat, you know, and that Austin Metcalf, the white kid, had been. Had been attacking the. The black kid and he was trying to throw him off the bleachers and that's why he responded, etc. Etc. And that was completely fake. And actually the sheriff's department had to even put out a statement to say, hey, this. This isn't a real post. We have no information on this at all. And the actual police report has nothing about that in there. So I guess, yeah, like, Blake, I'll let You finish your point. But it's just crazy to me to see that there are so many fake facts floating around about this. Just like in the Kyle Rittenhouse case, by the way, there were fake facts floating everywhere and people aren't even sticking to actually try to figure out what happened.
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Blake
Yeah, exactly. And like we said, more will come out about this. And so, you know, to get at why this is becoming a politically resonant topic. So you have for, you know, a ton of money being raised in what seems to be superficially at least, a pretty like a nasty case that would not justify stabbing someone to death. And it's like Carmelo Anthony has become a hero, a cause celeb. I'm looking at his GiveSend Go page right now. It's up to $284,000 raised and it's pouring in. There was a $1,000 donation within the last 30 minutes. As I look at this and raising more and more money, some people have complained that it should be taken down. I would not agree with that. I like the fact that givesend Ghost position is it's a free platform. You can raise money for things. And of course, people have the right to a criminal defense. People have the right to donate to support someone's criminal defense. I'm glad we had a place where we could do that for Kyle Rittenhouse. I think that option should exist for people. But the bigger picture, of course, is whether people have a right to donate to this or not. Should they be donating to it and where this has become a cause for debate, as I'm sure you could elaborate on Jack, or we can loop in Andrew and Tyler here is it has creepily become a racially tinged thing that the idea is Carmelo Anthony is being railroaded or targeted in a racial manner that Austin Metcalfe arguably deserve to be stabbed to death when there seems to be very little argument that that's the case. And then competing with this is the fact that people are. You see this in a lot of cases where people are coming out and aggressively saying, don't ever bring up the racial angle to this, when we know, because we've lived through it many times, that if you did turn this case around in terms of who, who was the stabber and who was the stabby, that it would be number one story in the country and relentlessly politicized and relentlessly racialized.
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Jack
Let's get. I want to get Andrew in on this.
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Andrew
Yeah, I mean, I actually, I haven't seen this clip yet. I want to play it and because I have so many thoughts, but I. I do want to see this. 221 we didn't just play that one, did we? It. 221 Touch me and see what happens. We see that maybe you did. Now. Now I'm. Now I'm remembering. So. But I'm reading. According to the arrest affidavit, witnesses told police that Anthony warned Metcalf. So Carmelo Anthony warned Austin Metcalf, the white kid, not to touch him, and then he reached into his bag. When Metcalf reportedly touched him, Anthony dared him to throw a punch. One witness claimed that Metcalf then grabbed Anthony to get him to move, at which point Anthony allegedly pulled out the knife and stabbed him once in the chest before fleeing. So their whole shtick here is that this was Carmelo Anthony acting in self defense. And you can see, and I think to Blake's point, why this is becoming politically charged and racially charged is because you've got Carmelo Anthony's defenders basically saying these were bullies. These were these white privileged jocks thought they could push around this black kid and he react to defend himself. Carmelo Anthony was sitting under the wrong tent. Not that that really matters, but you can understand that in high school, kids are gonna be like, hey, this isn't your school's tent. Get into your own tent. And then people posture. You know, you could see maybe a fight ensuing. But the fact that this Carmelo Anthony kid so quickly reached for a knife and stabbed Austin Metcalfe in the chest. To me, to Blake's earlier point, there's zero explanation of why that was a rational or justifiable move in that moment, other than a complete wild overreaction. Now, his family member, apparently Kevin Hayes, is a. Is a relative of Carmelo Anthony, says it was self defense and that he panicked after being allegedly jumped. I've seen no indication that Austin Metcalf jumped him other than to try and grab, probably grab him and push him out of the tent. Now, you could argue that that was the wrong thing to do, but these kind of things happen all the time in high school. And to say that it was somehow justifiable to stab him and that there's nearly $300,000 that has poured into his legal defense fund of people that seemingly agree is the part that troubles me so deeply that to me, this has nothing to do with race. I mean, it shouldn't. It has to do with the fact that one kid overreacted and killed another kid, robbed him of his life and his future over What? Over what? This is insane. Yeah. Over a seat.
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Tyler
Yeah.
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Jack
Do we know.
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Tyler
Do we know how big the knife was? Not that it matters that much.
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Jack
I think it was a folding knife. I think it was like a folding knife.
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Tyler
It's just, it's so bizarre to me like, that the kid was carrying around a knife. And they mentioned this in the, in the clip, which is. They don't know how I got in because most of these schools have, you know, detectors and stuff like that when you, when you walk in now, and they have a bad check policy and all that stuff. But unfortunately for, for where we're at. But yeah, just the, the immediate response to. I mean, we've seen that. That situation play out so many times. I've. You know, Andrew's point of if you're under the. On the wrong side of the football field, even, you know, there's always like, fight. We had fights break out after every football game in my, at my school. They would. They'd meet up at the Wendy's parking lot. They would get into fist fights, and it was, it was one team fighting the other. You have this stuff happen all the time, like, where kids are constantly just like, get off my turf type stuff. We've seen it. You've seen it happen at the mall. You've seen it happen all the time. So this sounds like a. To me, the story that's been told sounds like a pretty standard high school confrontation. And I don't think anyone would ever expect someone to pull out a weapon, especially like at a. At a track meet or a football game or something where there's like, probably maybe hundreds of people that are around. I don't know how many people are there. I don't think anyone would ever expect to have a knife pulled on them and get stabbed in the chest, you know, And I think worst case scenario, you've heard about situations where someone's pulled out a weapon and kind of flaunted it and be like, oh, yeah, back up. And that would have been bad enough. But this, the amount of psychopathic tendency that you have to have to have a weapon carried on you and at the moment of being challenged just to have the immediate reaction to stab somebody tells me that, number one, this kid has had been probably running in dangerous circles as it is. And you know, that they were, they were. That he was willing to do that. And that should point more to, you know, what we've seen coming out of some high schools of like, that gang mentality and that type of stuff that really isn't Being handled because, you know, policing isn't being handled because nobody wants to do any of that, especially when race comes into the question.
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Jack
Well, then they said this wasn't the first time that he'd had a knife incident at school. That actually that they knew he had brought knives in the past. So when you're talking about like metal detectors and bag checks, it's like you'd think that, you know, student resource officer or whatever school resource officer would, would kind of know, like, oh, hey, make, you know, that's the knife kid. Make sure you double check him.
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Andrew
Oh, yeah, well, and he said, he, he said this to police. He said, I'm not alleged I did it, and stated that Metcalf had placed his hands on him after being told not to. That, to me is just thuggish behavior. I'm sorry, I'm just going to call it what it is. That is somebody that has been idolizing, like gang culture, rap culture, thug culture. And it's like, big man, oh, nobody's going to mess with you. You touch me, I'm going to kill you. Like, as if that is somehow to be lauded and looked up to. No, if you want to, if you want to tell somebody that they're not allowed to put their hands on you, then use your, you know, use your fists or not at all. Like, sorry that you don't pull out a knife and stab a dude in the chest because he puts his hand on you when he asks you to leave. Like, this is insane. And the fact that there is anybody, anybody supporting those actions is beyond the pale and really an indictment of, of some really sick, twisted narratives that are floating around this country.
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Tyler
Yeah.
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Jack
And you know, I'll give a huge shout out to Andrew Branka who does a YouTube show called the Law of Self Defense and he's got a book out about it. And he, he goes through these things and he talks about the basic elements that you would need to prove self defense in many cases. And he's, in fact, you know, he's a lawyer and he's consulted on a lot of cases like this. And he points out that in any self defense case, the first thing that you need is an imminent threat of deadly force. So in this case, where is the imminent threat of deadly force or the use of deadly force? There's no, there's. The only imminent threat of deadly force comes from Carmelo Anthony, not from Austin Metcalfe. Because the police report doesn't say anything about people ganging up on him or jumping him. And in fact, it points out that there and I did read the police report, the entire thing that came out, there's over a dozen witnesses, I mean, including the coaches of both teams. So, you know, people who are conceivably, you know, not biased against him. And so this idea that, you know, people are making it up at all. No, it's, it's, it's very clear. It's very obvious what happened. This wasn't in some like dark alleyway is what I'm trying to say. It was done in full view of, you know, a number of people at this track meet. But also, so there's no, there's no imminent threat of self defense. But also he even points out that, that saying the phrase touch me and see what happens, it could be interpreted in some cases as a provocation. And given the fact that it was a provocation, it essentially from a legal perspective, an invitation to mutual combat. Like, like he's basically egging him on to fight. Well, if you provoke someone, then you don't get to turn around and say, oh, I was just defending myself against this person. Like, no, like you provoked the encounter. I'm not going to say that he provoked the fight just by sitting there, but by saying, you know, touch me and using language like that and you know, see what happens. Reaching into a bag. You, you know, from, from Metcalf's perspective, let's say, let's say he was around to make the case that, you know, he could even say, I saw him getting a knife out and I was trying to prevent him from getting the knife out. Right. So no, not only is there, there no element of self defense here, there's actually lots of arguments against it.
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Andrew
That's a good point, Jack. Blake, why don't you call out the elephant in the room here? I think you're 100% right. We're messaging.
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Blake
Yeah, we're, we're talking. We can go back and forth on self defense argument, but the reason this is a national news story is not, you know, the finer points of self defense law because unfortunately teenagers do kill each other in the United States with depressing regularity. Two things are really driving what makes this a topic. And I think the first thing we should do is to set this up is we should play the dad's reaction. So this is Austin Metcalf's father talking on television. I think the clip that we want is 202. Let's play that clip.
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Austin Metcalf's Father
It's very unfortunate that this other child decided to make a bad choice that's going to affect him for the rest of his life. I have compassion for every human being. This is not. I want to make this very clear. This is not a race issue. This is not a black and white issue. I don't want someone standing, stepping up on a soapbox, trying to politicize this. I don't appreciate some of the remarks I've seen online that people say there was this fight and there was. They don't know. They weren't there.
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Blake
Now, what I will say is I would never question or criticize how a parent specifically chooses to respond to a tragic event, because I. I think it's understandable. I think if you've experienced a huge personal loss, it would probably be traumatic and upsetting to have it be at the center of a national political discussion. I am entirely sympathetic to that. Nonetheless, it is a pattern that people have noticed that this occurs a lot. It's happened a lot in, for example, cases where illegal immigrants have killed people. A lot of people remember Molly Tibbets. This would have been about, I want to say, eight or like seven or eight years ago, she was a young woman tragically killed by an illegal immigrant in, in Iowa. And her father had this thing where, you know, actually immigrants, illegal immigrants are better than native Iowans. And, like, we should not be angry that his daughter was. Was pointlessly murdered. This sort of thing occurs with disturbing regularity. And people are like, why, why is this a moral script that so many people feel driven towards adopting of? You know, we have to be clear, anything that's happening, there is no political angle to this. There is no racial angle to it. Because that is, as we were saying, it's the elephant in the room here. There.
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Jack
Well, wait, wait, wait. A lot of it's. It's not just anything. It's only in these cases, right? If it's another case, like, say, I don't know, George Floyd, that's all about race. That's about race before anyone even says anything. So it's like, it's like it. It's this huge double standard that you're getting at. And I'll let you finish, but I want to say it's. It's not just any case. It's only when the victim is a white kid like this or something like that. Then it's. Then it's, oh, don't talk about Ra or, you know, Molly Tibbets, etc. It's all not about race. Not about race. But, but if it's George Floyd or, or any, you know, Trayvon Martin, etc. It's it's race from the very start and nothing else is allowed to be talked about. Sorry, go ahead.
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Blake
Precisely that. That's the thought crime aspect to it, is there are unfortunately a lot of teenagers who are accused of murder. And a rational question to ask is, is Carmelo Anthony getting $300,000 in legal defense funds essentially because he killed a white kid? And some people. I'm not going to question the motives of every single person who donates, but is the idea that some people like the idea that he could stab a white kid to death and get away with it kind of like there were people who wanted O.J. to get away with it. And there have been takes. People were like, this was our. This was getting revenge for. For Rodney King or. Or for the LA riots generally. Like, is that impulse manifesting itself?
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Jack
You're saying people who donate.
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Blake
Yes. Yeah. Some people who donated to this may be motivated by. They like the idea, could he get away with this? They may genuinely believe he is innocent, but there may even be people out there who say it doesn't matter if he is innocent, that we just want him to get away with it.
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Tyler
It's Luigi. Yeah.
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Jack
And that's kind of the Luigi Maggione thing that we've been talking about for what, six months now or whatever.
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Tyler
Yeah. I just jinxed you and saying this is all Luigi mentality. This is where the crippling effect of societal decay, that's where we're at, is that it's just backwards where you have people on the left who would rather see people they disagree with because they've been so mind melted on DEI and everything that they sit through, through for seven hours a day in class, hearing from preschool to where they're at to now, the true enemy is just the person that doesn't look like them. And that's class warfare. I mean, this is class warfare stuff that is happening and that's who donates to these things.
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Andrew
Well, yeah, the part to me.
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Jack
Oh, no, go ahead, go ahead.
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Andrew
Well, no, I think it's very telling though, that. And it's a generational thing. And I think, Jack, you would agree with me on this. It's like boomers especially were raised in a. In a country with the civil rights era, and they wanted to see themselves as post racial. And what happened is you had a bunch of like, whites, you know, the country was essentially 90, 85% white as they were growing up, and they wanted to believe that it was post racial. And I think it was true for boomer whites. They had gotten to a Point and maybe their, their kit Gen Xers, I certainly know as a millennial, when I was growing up, I kind of thought we were in a post racial world. That was what I was told. And, but like, for, if you're, if you're of a certain age, you're a little older, that indoctrination runs so, so deep that I don't think there that you, you rush to that instantly. This suicidal empathy, this, this, this indoctrination, it's like, and you saw that from the father. For me, this was the, this was the, the most. Again, I, I, I'm sympathetic to what Blake said. It's like, I don't want to judge him for the way he reacted to his son being murdered. I, I cannot imagine the horror that that must be. And so like, I'm trying to extend some grace to, to the father and saying, like, listen, you're going to process this in your own way. And I don't ever want to know what that's like. And so, you know, God bless you, you have my sympathies. But, but it's, yet I have to observe the fact that he reacted instantly, said, I don't want to make this about race and I forgive him. One day after, it was the next day, he had one day and he was already forgiving this kid and saying, it's not about race. Well, you don't know that it's not about race. And I think it's very fascinating that he rushed to say that it's not about race when it very well could be about race. Austin Metcalf could be dead today because Carmelo Anthony wanted to, you know, basically confront a white kid and ended up killing him. I mean, I don't know that it's not. But the point is, it's like you have the white father saying it's not about race because this thing has gone so, so deep into the subconscious of a certain subsection of America. And then you've got younger Americans that have been like, well, listen, we were told it wasn't about race and it was post racial. And yet the world that we live in has become more racialized than ever. So it's like we tried to live up to our end of the bargain. Now, I know there's big part of the country that doesn't agree with that, but I certainly grew up in an America where it felt like all the white kids were trying to be post racial. And it's like we didn't, we didn't get reached out to on the other side, the other side didn't live up to their end of the bargain. And so now. Now we gotta have these conversations again, and we gotta be honest about it. And the younger you are, the more willing you are to be honest, in my opinion. And I think it's telling that Austin met Kaft's dad of a certain age, so quickly went to that. That. That line that very well might not be true at all.
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Jack
Yeah. And. And you see it again and again, and it's become this sort of script. And in fact, at humanevents.com, we've had pieces about how they're. The. The DOJ actually had a unit where I believe that Pam Bondi is working to shut down this unit. They call it the Community Relations Services, where. Where they would go around in these, you know, racially charged crimes and actually ask parents to say things like that. This came up under The Obama, oh, 100%. And this came up in the Obama administration. And it's. It's. It's being worked to put to tamp down now. But. But I wrote a piece, you know, kind of just for Twitter, and I said this is sort of the. The breaking point of the white guilt narrative. And so what's the white guilt narrative? And that it goes Back to this 1965 essay by James Baldwin that I think that we'll all, you know, we'd all recognize where it's. You know, he said that the white man's guilt is a, quote, curtain of guilt and lies behind which white Americans hide, unable to confront the realities of their history and talk about how this narrative of sort of white guilt then became the cornerstone of progressive ideology. Dei. And all these things that we talk about that say that, you know, white privilege is mainstream. And this idea, these ideas of systemic racism, but it also created a sort of cultural hierarchy of moral culpability where there's an idea that. So being labeled a racist is currently the worst possible thing that you could be labeled as in your entire. In the entire country. It's, in fact, it's so taboo. Our whole country is basically, you know, really in sort of the post World War II consensus. And definitely in the civil rights era has been the. It is the largest crime. And something that, when I was on Tucker, I talked about this, that I've always thought it was very fascinating. Jeffrey Dahmer, of all people. So people, you know, Jeffrey Dahmer, he was the serial killer, but he predominantly targeted black individuals and, in fact, black teenagers. You know, I think it was like 16. Was the 1617 up to like, early 20s. But. But in interviews that he gave later from prison, so he confesses to the police, and then in interviews that he later gave from prison or while locked up, he would implore people to understand that he was, in fact, not a racist, that he did not choose his victims. He said it over and over that he didn't choose them because of the color of their skin, because he didn't want people to think Izzy was a racist. So I just, I just want to, like everyone understand that Jeffrey Dahmer, a guy who killed and in some cases ate body parts of his victims, was willing to admit to murder, admit to cannibalism, but he really wanted to make sure people didn't know he was a racist. And obviously, you know, that's an extreme example, but I do think that it's something that, that discusses this social fabric of what's going on in our country, where it's like even a guy like Jeffrey Dahmer, as depraved as he is, is still worried about breaking this social taboo when he's obviously done so many other horrible things. And so it's like we have this narrative that can't be broken. And even in a situation like this, we've just got this just horrible human tragedy, you know, a twin brother dying in his own brother's arms that you still have people that want to hold to this narrative. Oh, of, you know. Well, you know, it's not really his fault because he's acting out based on the years of oppression that he's. Which, by the way, if you go and look at. And people have showed pictures of Carmelo Anthony's house that he grew up in. He's got a, he's got a bigger house than I do. You know, his family does. And they've got, you know, gorgeous, by the way, you know, gorgeous looking family, great cars, looks like he's very upper middle class, if not, if not higher than that. So, I mean, this is not someone who comes from like, poverty or anything like this. It's actually someone who comes from a very stable background, it seems like, and yet still was willing to be violent in this instance. And, and, and, and so obviously, you know, it's. It's like our realities are not comporting with the, the things that we have been taught at school or taught by Hollywood.
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Andrew
Yeah, exactly, though. But Jack, I mean, let's play cut 229. This is the. I think this is the day after this cut is from the day after his son is just unexpectedly, tragically murdered in cold blood 229.
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Austin Metcalf's Father
I want to clarify something right off the start because I've already heard some rumors, gossip. This was not a race thing. This is not a political thing. Please do not comment. If you do not know what happened, try. Do not turn this into a racial thing. It was not. Do not politicize this. It's not. This is a human being thing. This person made a bad choice and affected both his family and my family forever.
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Tyler
Yeah, that's his dad.
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Andrew
That's his dad.
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Jack
Yeah, that's his dad.
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Tyler
His dad is playing it very cool. I would be very, I would be very. I would say things a lot differently. I would say.
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Jack
I, I don't think that I could say, well, first of all, I wouldn't be doing media like, that's, that's number one. I, I, I wouldn't be doing media at, at all. I mean, yeah, I, I don't even think I'd, I'm, I'm comfortable even saying how I would react to, to some, if someone, if someone took one of my kids away.
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Andrew
You know, I wanted.
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Jack
Nope, nope, nope.
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Andrew
Go ahead, Go ahead, Blake.
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Blake
I wanted to highlight, because we, we mentioned the Jeffrey Dahmer one, and I wanted to give, because I think this would be an update to a lot of people. We gave a lot of focus to the. When there was that shooting in Nashville, Tennessee, where the shooter appeared to be, you know, had pronouns of uncertain gender identity. And then they were never releasing the manifesto for ages, and it trailed off. And recently they released a very lengthy police report on the shooting and what motivated it. And they basically did give the whole story on it. And one of the things that was revealed in that report was that the shooter had been planning a shooting for some time and had considered many different targets. And the shooter had been bullied and had been unhappy at her. I think it was her middle school, but she didn't want to do a shooting there and instead targeted the Christian school she had attended where her best memories were, because she believed she would be regarded as racist if she shot up her middle school and didn't want to distract from, like, the real reasons for the shooting with misleading reporting about her motivations. And so this is not to say she should have shot up a different place. That would be a deranged thing to say, but it is, I think, a revealing look at American psychology when you have absolutely psychopathic people still having this thought intrude on their thought process for how these things work. There was another case I was reading about the Other day, because Jack mentioned.
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Andrew
Oh, Blake, I'm sorry to interrupt, but, like, some of the lines that she used will underscore your point here. It's like she says. Or. Yeah, so she says again, this is Audrey Hale, who thought that she was a boy. But being white sucks. But being black is so cool. Black people should rule. White people should fall. Every white person who lived and died. I hate you all. And it should be noted, Audrey Hale is white and she wrote about killing. Kill all the white kids, Kill all the white kids. And she loathed America. She wants to kill my own race, destroy all the white people who are teachers. So just. Just to put a button on that, it was a really extraordinary language.
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Jack
Tyler, you were, you were saying something.
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Andrew
Blake.
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Tyler
I was just saying. I just was looking at this thing. I don't know if I. I can tell you exactly how I respond. If my kid got killed in this situation, it would be saying some of the things much more vibrantly than we said here, which is this is told, like way Andrew said, this is thug behavior. You know, I didn't. I don't send my kids to public school for thug behavior. And by the way, this is a good reason why everyone is pulling their kids out of public school. They're pulling their kids out of cities, they're getting their family out of cities, and they're getting their kids out of public school. And I know this isn't like an inner city place. This is a very suburban location, but this has grown a lot. This location where this happened is a once suburban rural community that's turned into a more suburban urban area. And that's what's happening to a lot of places. And a lot of people are saying, I don't recognize my community anymore. And this is what happens when you don't have a good handle on things, when you let things slide, when you let gangs, like, start to infiltrate, like we saw in Denver, we're seeing in Dallas, we're seeing in Phoenix, we're seeing in Las Vegas, we're seeing all over California. You let gang like, mob like behavior happen. And when you have lackadaisical leadership that's in schools and everything else, yeah, I would call this out and say this is thug stuff. This is why our communities need to get cleaned up. This is why I'm yanking my kids out of public school. This is why I'm yanking my kids out of cities. And that's a normal conversation I think America needs to have in suburban America.
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Jack
Yeah, I mean, it's. I honestly don't even like thinking about it. It's, it's just, it's just, it's so far beyond. Everything would be off. Just everything, everything would be off. But look, there, there's a problem, there's a huge problem in this country. Their violence is getting absolutely out of control. The interpersonal violence is getting completely out of control. And there, there needs to be something fixed. And I'm sorry, this demonization of young white males at every level of society needs to stop. It just absolutely needs to stop.
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Tyler
Yeah, and I, I, I am thinking about it, Jack, because I've got a 15 year old, which is crazy, and you know, I go to these, you know, his wrestling meets and I, you know, we see, I see some aggressiveness all the time. Obviously it's wrestling and you see kids get into fights and sports. It's just normal. I mean, it's part of it. But you know, I've thought about before, like, what would, you know, what would I do if, you know, my kid was in one of those situations? And I don't think making excuses for the situation helps. I think it's again, it's, you know, again and my kid, for full disclosure, is in public school. You know, that's the decision that we've made with his parents and with, you know, between parents and him. But it's like, you know, you have these, you have to be on guard and be thoughtful of this stuff because again, you're losing your community around you. And that's why I think it's so important right now with what's going on not just in the education spectrum, but we're talking about with illegals. A lot of people are boohooing about ice coming in and sending people home. And they're even sending home kids and teenagers coming into high schools in some cases and pulling them out. And it's like, this is the reason why, I mean, you're losing everything around you and we cannot sit by and just let this stuff keep going on. You just can't. I hope there's a major reaction that happens in their community there. And it's not just like, oh well, you know, it's not anyone's fault because of their skin color, whatever, you know, how they were raised, it's like, no, actually, how they were raised has everything to do with it. How they're being taught and managed, you know, in the classroom has everything to do with it. How they're being coached has everything to do with it. Like this is, this is terrible stuff, life altering stuff. And it shouldn't just be glossed over and ignored. And again, I'm not trying to be critical of the dad. You know, like you said, I probably wouldn't be going on tv and if someone caught me outside my house, I would be going probably, you know, a little bit crazy, like saying what I'm saying right now, which is just like, there's no excuse, it's despicable, it's disgusting. And the school, you know, has, yeah, you know, deserves a lot of responsibility for our community deserves a lot of responsibility for this and we got to fix it, but it's just crazy.
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Jack
Now, one thing that I do want to say before we move on move topics here is that de escalation, this is really a great example of why. And you know, we're not justifying anything here. But what I'm saying is if you do find yourselves in one of those situations, you. It's always the best opportunity to or the best option to take yourself and say, take a step back and say, all right, guys, you know, this way. Is it really worth it over a seat?
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Andrew
Right?
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Jack
Is it really worth going and paying that price oversee. I'm not saying that, you know, he thought that that would happen at all or was anywhere within his thinking. But again, de escalation is always an option in these cases. Like, hey, we're going to go get somebody if we have to, et cetera, et cetera, something like that. Or, hey, this guy's threatening whatever it is you do want to try de escalation. And I would say teaching that to people. Now, if you find yourself in a threat, if you find yourself in a fight, someone actually is threatening you, of course you got to do what you got to do. But again, de escalation I think is. Is absolutely key. And I've been in a number of situations where, and people have seen stuff where I've been, you know, outnumbered by, you know, hundreds of people and, you know, held my ground. But I did what I could to de escalate so I was able to get out of those situations. What is our next topic? We've got a bunch of topics on this.
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Andrew
Yeah, we're going to pivot to something a little lighter here, Jack, and that is dire wolves. 208 let's play. Let's start the segment with clip 208. The howl of a dire wolf hasn't been heard on planet Earth for more than 10,000 years. That's because the species is extinct or was colossal. Biosciences is a Dallas based company that's using genetic Engineering to de extinct long gone species. And this is the first time Colossal's dire wolf pups, who are now six months old, have been seen by the public. That's wild, boy.
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Jack
All right, that's the clip. And I think there's a. I think there's a photo of a certain, certain famous celebrity type guy who was, who was seen with the direwolves. There we go. George R.R. martin himself.
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Andrew
Yeah, Blake, take it away.
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Blake
This is the best thing, the dire wolf. So for those who don't know, a lot of people have watched Game of Thrones and they don't know direwolves are real or rather were real. They are a species of wolf that went extinct about 10,000 years ago. So they overlapped with people but not like written history. And kind of what makes a dire wolf different from a normal. They're not, they're not as portrayed in Game of Thrones or in A Song of Ice and Fire where they're basically just really big wolves. It's more like they're a more robust wolf. So they have, I think they're wider. They have like a heavier skeleton. So it would probably be a tougher wolf, but not necessarily a bigger one. Now what's fun about this, of course, is I think they've been extinct for 10,000 years. I read my first George R.R. martin novel in I think 2005, and I was in high school then. And you know, 20, 20 years have passed now and we literally have brought direwolves back from the dead, allegedly. We can get into the details of that. And he still hasn't written Winds of Winter and there's no evidence he ever will. And I know Jack has strong opinions on that.
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Jack
Well, yeah, yeah. For people who don't know my, my background, I first, before politics, I kind of first got big on the Internet for running this Game of Thrones blog called Angry Got Fan. And I was, you know, like someone who's like, from the perspective of a books reader, it was like very sarcastic and very tongue in cheek. But yeah, I was always hating on the HBO show because it wasn't true to the books. And then it just kind of took off and just had a life of its own. But yeah, so the very first scene in both the books and the show is the finding of the direwolf pups in, in, in the north, you know, outside of Winterfell. And like the main characters get there and so there's this, there's. Yeah, it's, it's literally been. So the, the book series has not ended. Is what Blake's talking about, and because the first five books are out, but there's planned to be seven, at least as we know of. Although the TV series, of course, ended and had this hugely controversial ending that the book series has not ended. And in fact, no new books have been released in the series since the TV show started. So the final book, book five of the series came out in 2011, so 14 years ago is when the last book actually came out. And the next book, which George R.R. martin claims he's writing, is the Winds of Winter and yet still hasn't been released. And, you know, a lot of the fans. And this has been something where, you know, HBO has been trying to kind of overcome this by releasing the prequel series, which isn't quite as popular as the original one. I mean, when Game of Thrones first started, it was just this massive cultural force. And, you know, that's definitely one of the things I would be, like, on deployment and tweeting about it. And, yeah, you just see, you know, thousands and thousands of people there live tweeting the show or, you know, arguing about it and arguing about things. And, you know, then of course, we had, like, the SJWS came in, and I sort of experienced like, a little bit of, I think, with the video game guys called Gamergate, you know, around about that same time frame in 2014, 14, 2015. And then. And then I took a brief. A brief sabbatical, brief break from that to go and make America great again. So here I am. But. But, you know, it's. It's. It's. It's been this. This crazy thing where, yeah, you know, it was such a good series. And, you know, I. I think that what they did on the TV show. I'm just gonna say it. I think what they did on the show totally poisoned the. The experience for a lot of people. And it just killed what could have been this massive fandom, but instead, you know, it just made a lot of people be like, oh, yeah, I don't like that anymore. And they kind of just. They kind of just walked away. But now the dire wolves are back, so maybe there's. Maybe there's some hope. Maybe there's some hope for the winds of winter.
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Tyler
Well, I was reading. I was reading this whole thing about how this is not actually bringing the direwolf back. This is a genetically edited gray wolf. This is all I. Oh, yeah, yeah.
- [46:43]
Blake
This is massively fake news. Like, I should. We should classify on that.
- [46:47]
Tyler
This. Yeah. Like, first off, like, because I was, like, really into this I was like, oh, wow, this is cool. And like everybody was talking about like all the things that they were going to bring back. We literally can bring nothing back. They edited, they just genetically edited a gray wolf. When you upon further research and it's just like. And it's like the easiest thing to edit because let's like design your dogs. You know how there's all these different breeds of dogs and everything else. Like dogs are. Canines are actually like really easy to, to manipulate. Yeah. Their genetic code here. And so apparently this is just like a, like a really massive step in genetic editing on stuff. But it's, you know, they don't know how long they're gonna live. They're not gonna like breed them or anything like that. So I just wanted to throw that out.
- [47:33]
Jack
Yeah, there's always that question if they can, you know, if they can mate for themselves. It's producer Foz is saying it's like IVF for extinct animals.
- [47:43]
Blake
Yeah, it's. So I want to explain more because this is, this is real science that's coming that people should be aware of because what they did is really what they did is they took existing wolves, I think was. I'm not sure if it was a timberwolf or a gray wolf, but. And they just added. They manipulated a few traits of it to take it in a dire wolf direction. And then they're hyping it as they brought the direwolf back because they're a Texas startup that wants lots of attention on themselves because biological sciences. But it does raise the possibility we are headed in the direction of being able to do this more and more. The thing they used to do, this is called crispr and it's basically a science we have that allows for gene editing. And what is coming eventually is crisper edited human beings. We have the, the, we have the power, especially in utero, to to some extent manipulate the genes of, of people who already exist. So you can take a baby that is in utero and edit its genes to potentially change its eye color to. On the positive ends, you could manipulate its genes to take away some otherwise fatal or harmful genetic abnormality. But obviously you'll also have it on the other end. Could we be using CRISPR to make sure people come out with an IQ of 120 or 140 or 190. We could, we could make sure they're 6ft tall or 7ft tall or 10ft tall. Who knows? All of this is coming down the pipe. And it's interesting how the, you know, the Spin of we're bringing back a. An animal you thought was fictional is just sort of the, it's the leading edge of what will actually be an enormous social and scientific issue in the years to come. And I think there was a lot more attention on it before AI came and suddenly took over all of our, you know, ominous future technology vibes. But we're. The future is coming very aggressively.
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Jack
Yeah, this is, this is Gattaca. This is like there's a ton of Michael Crichton where he gets into this, not just Jurassic park, but other, you know, other books as well that do specifically get into gene editing. The fact that there's, you know, no laws on this whatsoever. It's also, interestingly enough, it's going to have, it's going to play a role in like insurance rates. Right? Because, you know, people will be able to, you know, the company will say, well, hey, we want your DNA sequence. And then they're going to say, oh, well, you have a, you know, you have a propensity for this parenthesis for this parenthesis for this. And so your insurance is going to be a lot higher for a number of different things. But on the flip side too, just with gene sequencing, not necessarily gene editing, you potentially can actually get like tailor made health care. Like your health care could actually get really better because of this. And even I've seen some writing about, you know, people talking about the idea that you could get specifically made synthesized medicine that's made specifically for you because, because they know it's exactly something that can work with your, you know, work with your, your genotype. And to say, like, okay, this is exactly what you need, but if you give it to somebody else, like, it might not even have any effect at all or it might kill them, you know, which is you're not supposed to be giving your medicine to other people anyway. But it's, there's all sorts of implications for this. But yeah, obviously the scariest one is, is do we get, you know, do we get into Gattaca? Are we, are we going down that road? And we clearly are. By the way, there's been. I was at the natal conference in Austin last weekend and this was like a huge controversy they were writing about because there were some speakers there who claimed that they have used a. So they use ivf and they were talking about a sort of process that they were using for screening the embryos that were created in their IVF process and screening for intelligence and other traits. Like you're talking about, Blake. It wasn't like Editing. But it was like they were looking at the embryos and they were trying to figure out which ones would be, would be like the strongest or the smartest, etc. And then they were selecting for those. And so that's, that's just. For me as a, as a Catholic, that's something I have, I have a huge issue with, you know, particularly when it comes to the destruction of the embryos. But I don't know, Andrew, what, what are, you know, you're, you're out in California. I'm sure you hear stories like that all the time.
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Andrew
I mean, my whole thing is. Why that's, that's my whole thing. I guess there's like, you know, it's in the human spirit to explore the unknown and to embark on things that haven't been done before. But I'm like, you know, where we have wolves in Yellowstone. It's like, it's already a problem with the ranchers and things throughout Montana. So it's like, I don't know, why do we need more wolves? I, I blame George R.R. martin for this fascination in the first place. I'm sort of like relieved to know that it's not a pure direwolf. I don't know that. That seems scary to me. They died out for a reason. I don't know. I don't, I don't have a whole lot of opinions about this. But.
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Jack
Wait, wait, can we, can we use them, can we use them for border security then?
- [52:48]
Andrew
I would, that would be a good why. That would be a good why. That fulfills my.
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Jack
Maybe some, maybe some saber tooth tigers. Get some of those back. Get them down on the border. Couple of those giant, giant sloths. Like, like what are those? Like, they're like the right. They're like, it's, it's kind of like it's a rhino, but it's like the size of an elephant. You know what I'm talking about?
- [53:07]
Blake
I can't remember that one. I'm thinking of.
- [53:09]
Jack
You know what I'm talking about?
- [53:10]
Blake
We have the kind of. I'm mixing it up with a creature that might only be in Star Wars. The, the ancient megafauna I always think of is they have those giant ultra sloths that used to live in the Americas that are like the size of a grizzly bear. Is it. I can't remember the name of it, but I think it might just been like giant sloth or super sloth.
- [53:32]
Tyler
Didn't they have like.
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Blake
Yeah.
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Andrew
Like.
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Jack
Oh, yeah. No, there's definitely a giant, calm, giant rhinos no, there definitely were giant rhinos that were, like, bigger.
- [53:43]
Blake
There was also short.
- [53:45]
Jack
Oh, I can't even say that.
- [53:46]
Blake
Which are like Paris.
- [53:49]
Jack
Paraceratherium, yet we're gonna go with giant rhinos. So it was the size of four African elephants. Oh, yeah. That's what I want. That right on the Rio Grande.
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Andrew
All this is reminding me of, you know, visiting the tar pits in Cal. Like in Los Angeles, and they have all the megafauna and all the. The.
- [54:12]
Jack
No, that's. That's where. That's where George R.R. martin got the idea.
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Andrew
Okay.
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Jack
No, he's. He's literally told the story that. That's where he got the idea to do direwolves because he was visiting the tar pits. And I guess, like, you're saying they have some display of the. Of these. These. The megafauna, the, you know, the mega mammals. And he saw dire wolves and was like, oh, this would make a cool. A cool thing. He's literally talked about that.
- [54:35]
Andrew
Yeah, the really cool. Go ahead.
- [54:37]
Tyler
That giant rhino was hairy. Wow. That was a woolly rhino.
- [54:40]
Jack
Yeah.
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Andrew
Yeah, Woolly, right?
- [54:42]
Jack
Was it as hairy as.
- [54:43]
Blake
So I want to.
- [54:45]
Jack
Just. Just so you guys know, Blake. Blake from the neck down is incredibly hairy.
- [54:49]
Blake
Carry it all just. It slunk through my head, and then it just grows out further down. Maybe. Maybe. Angela has a good question for us, which is like, would we be willing. Would we consider it moral to alter the genes of any children we're going to have? And, like, what. What could the tiers of it be? Like, you could alter it. So is it moral to alter it so they don't die of something? Like, if, you know, they will likely 99%, they'll die before age 5 of a degenerative genetic condition? And then the next one. Would you do it for stuff that is not mandatory, but clearly advantageous in life? Like, so, you know, you can guarantee they'll have 10 higher IQ points, or, you know, you can guarantee they'll be tolerated taller if they're a guy. And then purely aesthetic things like pick, make, give it so they have green. Green eyes or red hair, which they otherwise would not. I think a lot of us would agree it would probably be unethical to, for example, create 10 embryos and then throw nine of them away to pick one. But is it ethical to just literally edit one child where if they already exist, they won't die, but you just modify their traits? Is that ethical or not?
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Jack
So, I mean, this is Gattaca, right? This is the Gattaca question is what kind of a world does that create when everyone's doing that, you're, you're, you're essentially creating this idea that, you know, you're playing God. You're, you're playing God with society, you're playing God with your own children. And yeah, of course people are going to say like, well, I don't want my kid to have this genetic disease. I want to my kid to have this. But eventually down the line what you will do is you'll create a society where basically you have like. And this is what they depict in Gattaca. They call them the Valids and the invalids, where there's this two tier system of social classes where one are the genetically modified people and then the rest, they call them like love babies and you're the invalid. So you're not valid, you're not valid to, you know, have certain jobs. You're like, you do like menial labor. Gore Vidal is there. It's very interesting movie and you know, it's, it. So it becomes a problem, I think, for society because what you're doing is you're taking away that essential human condition to say that, you know, people can naturally be, be stronger, people can naturally be better, people can actually have that talent and that there is something that you're tapping into that's ultimately bigger than, you know, just the sum of your genes.
- [57:38]
Tyler
Well, and I just want to point out too, the, the effects of current CRISPR outcomes is that there are tons of mutations that are awful that, that they, I mean they have recorded. This is part of the reason why, yeah, most, most of Christendom opposes stem cell research is because of the outcomes that are there and how it does, you know, it does. Cause there is a bunch of throwaway outcomes that come from it. But to your point, let's say that there was none of those that existed. I still think that like exactly what Jack is saying is that you like part of the beauty of procreation is that you don't have control over the outcomes. And this goes to where some of the arguments are made from the pro life community is that you take the outcomes that exist and you work with that because that's what God has given you. So I think that that's, you start getting into that, obviously there's things that have it. Plus, I mean, we saw what happened in the Clone wars and Star wars, right? So, you know, we just, you know, we're not, I mean, if there's another Blake walking around, I mean truly, I mean, if we get started getting into, you know, slightly better looking versions of all of us, you know, out there. You know, we're definitely going to fall to the bottom of the barrel.
- [59:10]
Blake
So, you know, since we're specifically on the topic of dire wolves, I think we have to engage with a particularly horrifying kind of genetic engineering, which could be possible, which is what if the furries become capable of creating actual, like, humanoid, furry creatures? I think, because, one, they'll definitely want to do this. Two, it's not well known, but, like, furries often work in tech. They're often. They're an oddly well funded, gross creepy hobby. So, like, they'll have. They will have the money, and soon they will have the technology, and they may unleash horrors beyond our comprehension.
- [59:56]
Andrew
That's weird. I. I actually got an Uber ride when I was in Florida from a furry. And the furry. Whoa.
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Jack
What?
- [60:05]
Andrew
Who.
- [60:06]
Blake
What? This should have been our lead topic.
- [60:08]
Andrew
I. Well, this is months ago, but it was like. I mean, I was. I was in the car, it was.
- [60:13]
Jack
Sitting on it for months.
- [60:15]
Andrew
There was a whole bunch of weird stuff that happened in this interaction, but it was a. It was a.
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Jack
What. What. What city is it? What part of Florida? This is Miami right now.
- [60:24]
Andrew
This is in Palm Beach. West Palm Beach.
- [60:26]
Tyler
Yeah, that makes sense.
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Jack
Palm Beach.
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Andrew
Yeah.
- [60:28]
Jack
Miami.
- [60:29]
Andrew
Culture spreading.
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Jack
It's spreading.
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Andrew
Yeah. I mean, I was. I mean, candidly, I was there for, you know, official business. And so we're. We're close to the. To the, to the winter White House and the. But anyways, I was. They picked me up in a Tesla Model 3. So it was a Tesla. This person was not a Trump fan, but they voted for Trump because, I don't know, they just. Anyway, and this person was apparently sort of ambiguous gender stuff and had a boyfriend, but I think was actually technically a girl, but didn't identify as one. It was lots of strange things.
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Tyler
Wait, wait, wait.
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Blake
Andrew, no, you have to explain. What. What costume were they in? Were they a.
- [61:13]
Andrew
What they had like. Yeah, they had like a.
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Jack
It's not a costume.
- [61:18]
Andrew
No, they had. They had a. A kind of like a. A nose, like a fox or something. And then they had kind of like a raccoon tail. I don't think it was a fox tail. I'm not even kidding. This is like a whole. Like, it was a hole and then like a mismatch. Yeah, they had ears. You know, True story. My only actual interaction I ever had with a. With a.
- [61:42]
Blake
Did they have, like anime stickers all over the car?
- [61:45]
Andrew
You.
- [61:45]
Blake
You run into that sometimes.
- [61:50]
Andrew
Over the dashboard. There was. Something was hanging from the rear view mirror. And I just was like, I was sitting there going, so how long have you known this? And it was just, basically, this feels more real to me than. Than not wearing this costume. Like, okay, very nice person.
- [62:09]
Blake
That guy. That guy is so excited for crispr. That guy saw this news story. And actually, I don't want to say more about how that person reacted to this news story because I'll get in trouble, but that's what's coming. There are a lot of people. There are a lot of people who are. Who are going to be way into that. It's. It's very upsetting. We have to prepare ourselves. We may need to. We may need to prepare in advance. Maybe announce. Like, if we. If we pull off the Greenland thing, we could say there will be a safe part of Greenland and it can be the colony for all of the furry people. And you can make them. You can exist. But they have to go into exile. We have to have a parallel society.
- [62:49]
Andrew
They'll call me warm.
- [62:50]
Jack
They're felony. The felony.
- [62:53]
Tyler
No, you can't. That's a horrible idea.
- [62:57]
Andrew
Where are you looking?
- [62:59]
Tyler
Greenland. Greenland only has. Sorry. I keep looking at the big screen because I'm not used to this seat. It's. Greenland only has like 50, 000 people in it. We can't like, have like 10 of the culture be furries. We can't have it, like, be 20.
- [63:13]
Jack
You're saying the furries would take over Greenland immediately?
- [63:19]
Tyler
No, you have to. The furries belong in, you know, somewhere where we're never gonna win again. You know, deep. You know, deep in la. Deep in New York City, wherever.
- [63:32]
Jack
Andrew just said this one voted for Trump. So, you know, maybe there's.
- [63:36]
Tyler
There is that.
- [63:38]
Jack
Maybe Scott Pressler can go and register some.
- [63:41]
Tyler
We did not win the furry vote. We did not win the furry vote. We do not need to win the furry vote.
- [63:46]
Jack
You know, just saying maybe we could appoint like a turning point action.
- [63:52]
Andrew
Maybe this was a Florida furry. They're the exception.
- [63:57]
Jack
Low propensity voter.
- [63:59]
Blake
Turning point. We're not gonna call it turning point fur. Maybe furball point action.
- [64:08]
Tyler
You're not. You're not winning the furry vote. All right, Jack. Like, we. We are not. That is a. That's taking your.
- [64:14]
Jack
No, it's not winning the vote. It's about. Whoa, Whoa, whoa.
- [64:17]
Blake
Where's Mr. Charlie will have to vote. Voters.
- [64:20]
Jack
Look, you just. It's you target and you get them out.
- [64:24]
Blake
What if. What if Charlie has to go do an event? What If Charlie has to do an event at a, like a large furry convention because they're, we, like, we determined that they're a political swing voters and he has to speak at that. Could we get Charlie to put on the, the cat ears?
- [64:42]
Tyler
No, we cannot. But here's, here's funny story, though. We've had in the early turning point days, we used to hold our conferences at the cheapest time of year at some of the cheapest hotels. And there was more than one occasion where we had some really interesting conventions happening like the week before or like simultaneous, like right next door to us. And one of them, for one of our trainings was a furry convention was happening at the same hotel as we were going out. We're like, oh, this is weird.
- [65:12]
Jack
You go, Tyler, did you go to the very convention?
- [65:14]
Tyler
No, we, we observed, we observed from a distance and they were not.
- [65:17]
Andrew
Can I just say this? This has been one of the weirder thought crimes and I, I dig it.
- [65:22]
Jack
So all Charlie leaves for one week.
- [65:27]
Blake
Tyler says they observed. Tyler says they observed it at a distance. And all I'm gonna Note is like, 5ft is a distance.
- [65:35]
Tyler
It was, it was close. They were just like in the next, you know, conference rooms over.
- [65:39]
Jack
It was odd distance.
- [65:41]
Tyler
They're was other ones too. One, one time there was a, a pole dancing convention happening right next door. It was, I'm not even kidding you. This is like early, early on, early on. We're like, it's terrible. Not good.
- [65:54]
Jack
So there were, there were pole dancing furries at the.
- [65:58]
Tyler
No, not the same one. Separate times.
- [66:00]
Jack
Oh, oh, oh, thank. But there could have been furries there as well.
- [66:05]
Tyler
Oh, yeah, probably.
- [66:06]
Jack
I mean, that, that's okay. I mean, whoa. That's okay because we won the.
- [66:09]
Tyler
I actually do think a lot of pole dancers were Trump supporters. I don't think the furries are on our side. All right. I think there's actually a lot of. I, I, I, I view the furry culture the same way on Reddit when I read like, Disney adult stuff and things like that. We're not winning that, that vote. Those people hate it.
- [66:28]
Jack
What do you read on Reddit? What do you read on Reddit? Time.
- [66:30]
Tyler
I, I, I added, I added, I, I made the mistake of following Disneyland or something on, on Reddit when we went to Disneyland like a few years ago. And I've got sucked in because it's all just like the most beta, you know, male and all the Disney adult type.
- [66:48]
Jack
Oh, it's a religion. It's a full religion.
- [66:50]
Tyler
Oh, it is, it is. Like a slow train wreck to watch. It's like the most horrifying of which.
- [66:56]
Andrew
We have to, we have to know why Mormons, specifically Utah Mormons, love Disneyland so much.
- [67:03]
Tyler
We already talked about this. We talked about this. It's Instagram. It's all Instagram culture. Yeah, Instagram culture. Plus it's cheap enough to drive to.
- [67:14]
Jack
Of course we're like at like the last episode or last part of the episode. But I'm like, Instagram brain is so bad. It's. It's so bad. It's like destroying so much in society. It's like, Pete, we were not made for this. We were not set up for this, you know, and TikTok culture is like right on top of that. But Instagram brain, yeah, it's a real thing. It's so bad. And it's like the difference between Instagram people and like, I think we're all kind of more like Twitter text based kind of people. But Instagram brain is a real thing. People really have it. And yeah, I don't have like a full theory of Instagram brain yet, but I think we all kind of know what it is.
- [67:52]
Tyler
Well, and it's losing its footing too. I think that's part of the reason why the election was won was because a lot of like, a lot of people have kind of given up on all the fakeness of Instagram. So I think that was more at its peak during 20, ahead of 2020, which, that's a whole other theory, but it's interesting.
- [68:12]
Jack
All right, we have anything else you want to hit?
- [68:14]
Andrew
Yeah, no, I think that's good. Let's end on Instagram brain and the fact that we won.
- [68:20]
Jack
Well, that's. But that's a cliffhanger. It's a cliffhanger of Instagram brain because I, I intend to bring this up because by the way, so much more.
- [68:27]
Andrew
Yeah, yeah. Well, I would just say there's one weird breaking news tie in which is not usually what we do on tha crime, but TikTok, the sale of TikTok has been shelved indefinitely. Not even sure there will be a deal to be made with the Chinese because of the tariff announcement, pausing with all the other countries and going up to 125% with China. So the China trade war is putting the future of TikTok in some, in some question.
- [68:56]
Jack
So sees it just sees. It just sees it sees the farmland, sees it sees all of it.
- [69:02]
Andrew
Take it all sees the app, sees.
- [69:04]
Jack
The algo, sees the app sees the app sees the assets, sees the memes of production. All right, guys, I think. I think before we get into any more trouble, once again, Tyler's comments may have to be scrubbed from the record. But as always. But as always, go out there and commit more thought crimes.
- [69:30]
Andrew
Thought crime is death. Is death.