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Charlie Kirk
From the age of Big Brother.
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Blake
If they want to get you, they'll get you.
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Tyler
DNSA specifically targets the communications of everyone.
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Blake
They're collecting your communications. Okay, everybody, Today's an awful day. But anyway, it's okay. We're here anyway. We got Blake, we got Tyler, and we got Jack. So today's not great. Prove me wrong.
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Jack
Yeah, it's. I don't know if there's anything to prove.
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Charlie Kirk
What do you mean? I love it.
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Jack
It's entertaining.
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Blake
Jack's having fun. Okay, Jack, tell us how today. Great today is.
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Charlie Kirk
I think it's hilarious. I think, I think it's. I think it's great. A number of, on so many levels. Right? You know, is it like, is it a bump in the road? For sure, it's a bump in the road. But this is what happens when you have coalition politics. If you study history and, you know, Blake I'm sure could name, you know, rattle off a dozen examples off the top of his head of coalition politics that go through this after the coalition achieves victory, that go through some growing pains, that go through some leadership challenges, which this clearly is, which go through some issues and flare ups and it's, it's always going to happen. It was inevitable. I think this is something where, you know, no company can have two CEOs, and, you know, a country has to be run by a chain of command and it's really as simple as that. And so if, if, if this was always going to happen, fine, then might as well happen within the first couple months of the first year rather than, oh, I don't know, like right before an election or a time when it really matters.
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Tyler
Yeah, Charlie, today's, today's a great day. We should be celebrating. And here's the reason why this is the. Everyone expected this to blow up way sooner than it actually did and it actually lasted this long. There's no person that's had a stronger, more great relationship with the President than Turning Point and Charlie and everyone else. This is the one thing that I want to point out. Today is the anniversary of 13 years. 13 years of turning Point happened.
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Blake
Just like on cosmic, you know, the stars align on the 13th birthday and.
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Tyler
The only, you know, the only relationship that's persisted through all the Trump years, that's big and organizational and influential has been Turning Point. And so you look at this, it happens. These things break up. They change, they change shape. I think a lot of people expected the Elon thing to blow up at some point or another. That's just politics. It's normal. It's just big because he's the richest guy on the planet. And like you mentioned, Charlie Trump's the most powerful guy on the planet. And so it's just going to be a little bit uglier than normal. But these things happen and they change. And so it was expected it was going to happen at some point, but.
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Blake
Then it has to happen like this. I mean, accusing of the Epstein files, I mean.
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Jack
And yeah, and we should say, like, I think a lot is going to matter in the months to come because this could easily, this could be literally in, you know, a matter of days, they calm down a bit and you know, the bill moves on and they either bury the hatchet or stop sniping each other. But right now, the pinned post on X by Elon is is it time to create a new political party in America that actually represents the 80% in the middle with 82% vote voting yes on his pinned tweet? And you know, it has to be said, I don't think it would be that easy to just create a new political party from scratch, but if you attempt to do it, you can greatly shake up one election cycle at least. And maybe we'd see that.
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Tyler
Jack said not to say this, but it actually is really easy to create a new political party.
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Jack
It's easy to create one. It's difficult to get 10, 20, keep it going zero past one election.
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Tyler
I would even make an argument against that because you don't need to have it be super sustainable. It doesn't even have to be in very many states. But I don't want to give anyone ideas. I don't want to like, I want to be that guy. But the both of the parties are very fragile because creating a new part. Now there have been parties that make created. I think they've done it wrong. The question is about how to do it the right way. The problem, the scary part with Elon and some of the people that he has around him is the that they might figure out how to do it the right way. And if they do that, that would only damage, I think, I think it would damage most immediately the Republican Party.
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Blake
Wait, so I'm trying. So then Karine Jean Pierre says she's becoming an independent yesterday and then today.
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Jack
And then the Biden guy came out and said, just to be clear, Karine Jean Pierre is extremely stupid.
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Blake
Karine says she's becoming an independent yesterday. And then today Elon's like, I'm going to create a new independent third party. Like you think they were Colluding? No, I'm just saying it's just like. It's just amazing how it's all happening within a couple days.
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Jack
What's interesting to me is usually when you hear these, oh, let's create a party that represents the middle. You hear it from sort of these bland centrists, like politicians or businessmen, who aren't famously political. But with Musk, what's interesting is he's become this utterly reviled figure on the American left because he allied with Trump. You had people burning Teslas, vandalizing Tesla dealerships, all this nasty stuff, and he's suddenly pivoting to I should make a centrist political party. And the question is, would the left be remotely willing to.
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Blake
No, no, they've already sworn him off.
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Jack
Exactly.
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Blake
Like Elon, there is no redemption. You want to talk about, like, the arc of non forgiveness. The left created non forgiveness, Princess.
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Jack
Yes.
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Blake
And so at that point, he is done. There is no redemption for him on the left.
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Jack
And so I think you create this. Interesting. I hate using the word game theory, but it does mean that if Elon were to create a new party, it could probably mostly only damage the right, because the left is not going to defect for this. And then you circle back around to he can sabotage the right, which means he would empower the party that has made it its priority to Destroy Tesla, destroy SpaceX, possibly put Musk himself in prison. They wanted to do that if Trump lost. And are they going to have to be able to. I feel like naturally they're going to not want to be enemies because one of the things that Musk and Trump have in common is the left wants to put both of them in prison.
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Tyler
And Blake, to your point, though, too, this isn't just theory on the left. The left did this. So they created the no labels party, and the left held together and did not fracture nearly as much as people thought it would on the left because they created the no Labels Party, really, Because there was a lot of resentment at the time for how the left was managing things with Biden, and obviously they equipped and carried out the Liz Cheney theory and did all that and tried it, and it just was an utter failure on the left. They've already done this and they succeeded in hanging together. This hasn't happened on the right yet in any kind of functional way. And I agree with you, it would mostly hurt the right if it did happen.
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Blake
Yeah, I just. I mean, here's the thing I have to keep on just reminding myself is that this. Want to count your blessings? I'D much rather have this blow up. I mean, it went to, like, from nothing to thermonuclear war. You don't accuse somebody being in the Epstein files.
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Jack
I want to log this, by the way, that Charlie predicted this specific thing when he saw that Elon Musk made the tweet. Let's get the exact tweet up, the ingratitude one. I'm going to bring it up here where I'll scroll for a bit.
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Blake
This is one of my. This is one of my greatest calls ever.
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Jack
Yeah, this is an amazing call that he made. Let's go down to where it is. This was about three hours ago.
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Blake
It was around, like, 10:15.
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Jack
Exactly. Do we have it? We have a lot. There's a lot of tweets that have been made today. Screw it. I'm just gonna search from Elon Musk.
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Blake
455. I think we have it up on screen.
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Jack
Okay. All righty.
- [07:43]
Blake
Great.
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Jack
And so he says, without me, Trump would have lost the election, Dems would control the House, and Republicans would be 51, 49 in the Senate. Such ingratitude. Charlie sees that and he messages. He goes, blake, within one hour, this is going after where Trump is gonna go nuclear. You do not say, I'm the reason Trump won. Yes, Trump can forgive, actually quite a few things, but he will not abide by that. He said by 11:30 Pacific Time, it's going to happen.
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Blake
11:37.
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Jack
11:37. Trump makes his first truth social post.
- [08:18]
Blake
That's right. And I said I had no inside information whatsoever, like, at all. And just boom. And was. And I will make an. You want. Want me to make a provocative take. But, Jack, I think you're going to like this. I think Bobby Kennedy was more instrumental in keeping the coalition and bringing a new coalition together the last 90 days than Elon was. Not saying Elon wasn't important. What do you think, Jack, Bobby or Elon?
- [08:46]
Charlie Kirk
I've said this a ton of times, and I just mean this objectively, that the Maha movement is the most popular political movement in America today. And I've been saying this for months. I don't think that anyone in media has quite figured this out yet, that somehow Republicans. Republicans, for once outflanked Democrats on health, on health care. Right. It was like they did Obamacare and that took them out through 2010, and then they just sort of stopped talking about the issue. But then RFK comes along and finds a new way to talk about health as an issue. Republicans cut. Latch onto it. President Trump brings in Bobby Kennedy, of course, they have the great and iconic meeting at, yes, a Turning Point Rally, Turning Point Action rally down in Georgia, which has gone down in history and will continue to go down in history as one of the great meetings of the minds and the coalition coming together. And so that doesn't diminish what Elon did, but it's just, it represents a completely different political alignment than we've ever seen in American politics when Bobby Kennedy crossed the line and came over with Donald Trump. And that just is what it is. It stands on its own. And you still see the Maha movement absolutely chugging along on all four cylinders right now, whether it be. Whether it be dyes in foods, whether it be the latest thing that they're banning from cereals and glyophosphates and just all of it. And I gotta say, for suburban women, I've always told the story, right, that for suburban women, my wife, and everybody knows my wife, Taita, she follows our stuff, but she's not super political. But I catch her at some point, like last fall or whatever it was, and, and she's listening to a Rogan podcast, and I'm like, what do you listen to Joe Rogan? Like, you don't usually listen to Joe Rogan. I mean, that's cool. Whatever cool, you know, have at it. And it was Bobby Kennedy. And she. And I said, what made you want to listen to this one? She goes, all the moms in my mom's chat are talking about this. All of the suburban women who have, especially those who have children, on the vaccine, on the food, on everything else. The Maha mom movement was born through the work of rfk. And so aligning with Bobby Kennedy, that's why Trump wants a bourbon Women. It's so simple. And that became a key demographic among other key demographics, but it absolutely became a key demographic margin in the swing states and absolutely in the Rust Belt. And so just, just basic politics, you know, analysis. I've been, I've been saying this point forever that you cannot, you cannot remove Maha from the coalition. This is absolutely one of the most important pieces politically for Trump and the movement going forward.
- [11:29]
Blake
So, Blake, is this reconcilable? I actually think it is. I actually, I'm going to make a call that there will be. I think that there is a. There will be like a really, like, quiet 30 days, 60 days, 90 days. And I think that by Christmas, there might be like this subtle thing where, like, reports are. Elon, you know, back at White House for lunch or dinner. I actually, I think this is going to be reconcilable. The reason being, and I know this is. It went so hot so fast that it like the, the impulse control was obviously like not there, that this wasn't as calculated. This just seemed to be just like a very quick escalatory thing. And look, evidence is this. I could, I could name some private examples. Honestly, I think this is pretty public. Let me think about this. No. Okay. A good example is this, like, at least someone like Elon was very, very mad at Laura Loomer back in December. Like, very mad. That's public. Like, he would like that she was going after him and all that. And then like a couple months later, like, he was retweeting her and like, was responding to her. Like, there has been a pattern of both of these guys. I mean, look, J.D. vance called Trump, you know, compared him to Hitler back in like 2017, 2018, and now he's the Vice President, United States. I think that there is going. I actually think in the short term this is not necessarily reconcilable. I actually am more bullish on like them actually coming together because it sounds like Trump's only president for three and a half years. That's a long time, Elon. And you have a lot of government contracts. And I actually think that you have very ambitious and I think righteous goals to want to go to Mars. And I actually think what cooler heads are going to prevail here. And don't be surprised if there is like a story and I have no inside information to say this, it's just instinct. Again, I haven't talked to anybody in the next like nine months where all of a sudden there's like back channel established between team Elon and Team Trump and like Bill Ackman or somebody, Serbs as like the intermediary. The stakes are too high and deep down I actually think they agree on a lot and, and have good memories together that don't be shocked if all of a sudden Elon's having stake at Mar A Lago in November. Well, and here's, I mean, I'm telling you right now, don't be shocked.
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Tyler
Here's where the Trump team is smart too. Is nothing that Elon has worked towards and wants is going to be supported by the left, as you like so poignantly pointed out here, is that they're not going to be. So they're not going to have any kind of home to go to with the left because the left isn't going to embrace Elon and they're not going to support anything that Elon's doing with Doge and everything that he's actually upset about, the only people that will help him are on the right. And so when the political reality comes down the road here of who are we going to take out? The people they're going to take out are the most moderate people anyways that are the least likely to be Trump supporters. And so when those people that. When Elon accidentally or incidentally pushes those people towards Trump, there's going to become a real clear reality that those people are not gettable to him. They're not winnable. And the establishment, when it goes towards Trump, that actually makes the party more conservative and then actually ends up doing the things that he wants to have done anyways, which is it's going to enable all of the doshkas. So I think that the outcome of what you're saying is that we've seen numerous times, even people really close and really fond of President Trump, including, you know, Steve Bannon, for example, they had a little bit of a tiff once upon a time where the President got kind of upset. They got over that very quickly. They figured it out. The political dice got rerolled, and, you know, there was a realization that, you know, some of the things that Steve said were correct and they got fixed and it actually made the movement better. And I think that that's probably where we're going to end up, Blake.
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Jack
So the issue with them reconciling. So, first of all, we have a lot of people in our comments saying this is kayfabe or fake.
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Blake
No, wrong. That's it. I'm sorry. It's very real.
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Jack
Sorry. Sorry to be the bearers of bad news on that one. But I guess my issue with envisioning a reconciliation is that Trump. I think we agree Trump has, like, a pretty strong need to be the number one guy. He kind of. He very much thrives. And like, he. He wants to be dominant. He wants to be number one. And so he can reconcile with people as long as it carries the implication they are acknowledging him as the boss, as the number one. And the issue I can see is Elon Musk going to make that type of submission. I could see him not wanting to attack Trump anymore. I could see him maybe realizing this was a bad idea. But is Elon going to come out and be like, oh, I was wrong. Trump is the best president ever and is being awesome? And I just.
- [16:26]
Blake
I think that there is such an unpredictable arc to all this, guys, Just like, let's be clear, a Year ago, Elon was still on the fence. Like, I mean, he was not yet endorsed Trump until July 13th in Butler, Pennsylvania. Like, we're all over the place here. Right? This is. We. We must understand the.
- [16:43]
Tyler
It's like Tesla stuff.
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Blake
Like he was doing spaces with DeSantis people, like basically 12 months ago, 13 months ago. Right. So I just think we all need to do the.
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Tyler
Yeah, 100%.
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Blake
I mean, do I love the like, escalation? I actually think Trump has been like, remarkably restrained in his public retorts.
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Jack
I mean, no all caps truth social posts yet.
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Blake
Yet. But I think there's a reason for that. I think like Trump does. It's kind of like he. People are expecting kind of like the Giga atomic bomb in return, and instead he's just like, I don't need it. So Amy Walter is really, she's good on most of the Cook Political Report. She has a very interesting take. She says this is a war that Trump is destined to win against Elon, doesn't need Elon's money anymore. Of his campaign. Trump is more popular among Republicans than Musk is by a lot. Congressional Republicans are going to stick with Trump on bbb. And again, I just want to say one other thing which I think is really important, guys, is like, this feels like drama more than anything else. Right? It's drama. Yeah. We are in June of 2025. Okay. By like Christmas, we're going to be like, wait, were we talking about that stuff back then? A year from today, if the big beautiful bill does even half of what Stephen Miller says it is, we're going to have a lot more deportations, the border will be secure. Who knows what the economy will look like. Elon thinks we're going to a recession. Like, he just predicted that today in kind of his stream of consciousness tweets. But it's also just, I think that if you look at these things in terms of year cycles, I would much rather have this blow up in June of 25 than June of 26.
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Tyler
Totally.
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Jack
Yeah.
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Blake
Right. That gives us a ton of time.
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Charlie Kirk
That's what I'm saying, to remedy stuff.
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Blake
And let me just say one last thing, one last sorry. And Jack, I want to throw it to you in primary politics, I have heard this so many times. I should have said this on my little YouTube thing earlier, but I'll say this, and I'm gonna say this tonight on Laura Ingram. I can't tell you how many times I've heard this. There is no way they can get back together because it's been so nasty the way they've attacked each other. And we always seem to defy the odds where all of a sudden people that were so bitter. He called little Marco that he's now a Secretary of state. Okay. I mean, he said that Ben Carson was a mental case. And literally. And Ben Carson ended up being HUD secretary. And he made fun of the fact that Ben Carson was lying about being stabbed in his. You remember this whole thing with his belt. I mean, there is a rhetoric around politics that I think we play into too much. And I think that again, I am. If it was his stock, it would be at an all time low. Like between Trump and Elon broing it up. I don't think they'll ever be the same way they were. But I actually think that they're stronger together and they'll both realize that, I.
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Jack
Mean, definitely go around stronger together. I think one of the biggest tragedies that could happen here is set aside whatever else you have, like, it's genuinely important that what's like the most successful, recently founded American manufacturing company. It's basically Tesla. What's probably the most standout, you know, American firm innovating in a difficult field? It's probably SpaceX. And what's the most important free speech platform we have? It's X. And all of those things are very valuable things that Musk has been involved in. And one of the biggest tragedies would be if we lost any of those, whether it's because of some fight or if it would be because Elon himself would damage it. Like, I really hope Elon doesn't go on this bender where he starts censoring a ton of people on X because.
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Blake
I might lose my X account.
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Jack
Maybe, maybe that would be very unfortunate if it were to happen. And I, you know, we kind of, we basically, you know, being a Trump follower means kind of believing in the great man theory of history. And I think Elon Musk is clearly a great man who has contributed a lot. He was done a lot for America and for the world. And you would really hope he does not damage that with any impulsive actions now. But sometimes great men do do that.
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Blake
Jack, I cut you off. What's on your mind?
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Charlie Kirk
Yeah, no, that's exactly what I was saying. That, you know, I do think this was gonna happen. I do remember Elon also being associated with the original Trump administration in. And he left sort of in the aftermath of Charlottesville and a couple of other things. So that was also in the first summer of the first admin. And you, you have a situation politically where, yeah, it's anything. And I gave a comment to Politico earlier today along similar lines, just saying that, you know, with, with Trump and Elon, never count anything out. Just never count anything out. Especially with the president. He has a way of turning friends into allies and, or, excuse me, turning enemies into allies. And, and has done so time and time again. And people seem to always discount his ability to do so. But I do think that we should actually talk a little bit about the bill itself. And so, you know, one of the things that I've been trying to push on, on, on X and just as on the shows and everything, is that it's. Is this idea that people are saying, okay, well, you know, we have to balance the budget, we have to balance the budget, we have to balance budget, we have to get the debt. I don't remember campaigning on that. I really don't. I think it's important. I think it's. I think a lot of things are important, obviously, but that was not one of the core issues and has never been one of the core issues. It's always been about mass deportations. It's always been about tariffs, it's always been about foreign policy. And so that's really what this bill was always meant to address. And so, yeah, there's lots of meta things going on here, but when it comes to these issues, this is the. And Stephen Miller's right, this actually is the best deportation bill, the best immigration bill that we've ever seen put forward in this nation's modern history. And if you actually want entitlement reform, if you actually want to cut down on this. Oh, by the way. Well, everyone's talking about the supply side. Oh, we cut the programs. Just cut the programs. Cut the programs. Well, what if, boys and girls, you look at the demand side of the equation as well, and reduce the number of people who are on these programs by removing them from the country. 43% of immigrants, legal and illegal, are on one welfare program or another. So get them out. You get them out, the number is going to go down. That's the way these projections work. They don't factor in something like mass deportations. That's going to dramatically reduce the amount of people that are on the programs. And yet you never see the libertarians or any of these guys, these budget hawks, or even look at it that way.
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Blake
So, Blake.
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Jack
Well, I just had. I'm thinking of just downside things that could happen. Elon is making tweets where he says that we should impeach Trump now and replace him with Vance. I suppose that sounds one very dumb. Because it's that classic, like, okay, it can't happen. So why are they doing this? But do you worry that could cause damage at all? Like, it would feel very annoying if Vance, who we're all very supportive of, gets caught in the crossfire, having said nothing and done nothing.
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Blake
I got caught in the crossfire.
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Tyler
Yeah.
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Blake
Which again, it's like, I got it. He unfollowed me. I'm like, what is that all about? It's like, fine. I guess it's. Again. I just have to remind myself I didn't Elon and I had no contact nine months ago, let alone a year ago. So it was fun while it lasted. I learned a lot from him. He was a friend. And maybe one day we'll be friends again. I literally, I have no bitterness at all whatsoever. I'm not. It's not a joke. Right? Like, I. It's. It's fine. I actually, I think highly of him. I think he's an incredible entrepreneur. I think what he's done is remarkable and great. If he wants to ever, you know, hang out again, let me know.
- [24:19]
Tyler
We've all been big fans over here. Yeah, everybody's.
- [24:21]
Blake
No, I mean that, like, I'm not still big fans. I have a great life. I have kids and a family and, like, you know, it's fine. Okay. Charlie.
- [24:28]
Charlie Kirk
Charlie is calling for a cease. An immediate cease fire. He's asking for terms. The peace talks will take place at Turning Point headquarters.
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Tyler
Trump just announced he's shutting down Diablo servers. And this is a big, big deal.
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Blake
No.
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Charlie Kirk
Wait, I thought Diablo servers were in China anyway.
- [24:49]
Tyler
Yeah. I don't know how he's doing it.
- [24:52]
Charlie Kirk
Oh, he says he's going to strike him. He's got a strike strike.
- [24:55]
Tyler
We need, like, simultaneous drone strike in Diablo servers.
- [24:59]
Jack
Drone strike on Diablo so upset simultaneous negotiations in Istanbul for, you know, like, Russia, Ukraine, India, Pakistan, Israel, Gaza and Trump. Elon. And we just have, like, four rooms right next to each other, and Trump can run to each of them, and then, like, one of them is just Elon hanging out, playing Path of Exile or whatever he's into.
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Tyler
I thought it was Diablo.
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Jack
I think he probably does multiple. The one that he kind of.
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Charlie Kirk
Oh, Diablo is a big one.
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Jack
Yeah. But I think path of Exile 2 is the one where he claimed he was a top 10 player in the world, and he was just, like, paying a Chinese guy to fake an account, which. Not gonna judge, really.
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Charlie Kirk
Yeah, that was.
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Jack
I think it was Path of Exile.
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Charlie Kirk
Wait, wait, no. Somebody was literally just texting me about that. I think you're right. Yeah, yeah, it was path of exile.
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Jack
2, a diablo, like hack and slash. So he probably plays Diablo too. I've never played Diablo.
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Charlie Kirk
Yeah, no, he plays quite popular.
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Jack
But my understanding is path of exile 2 claiming to be the top guy in that would be like, if he was going around saying he was like the top, like a top NBA player or something. It just, it doesn't, it doesn't really work that way.
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Blake
So let's talk about some of the politics here. The Democrats won't want him and there's, there's no reconciliation there. Let's just say the Republican thing is on ice. We're so far out from the midterm. So his threats of a third party would be very difficult to manifest in a reality.
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Jack
Well, it'd be difficult, but it also, it's early enough that if he wanted to say, like, let's say he met some of his tech buddies and they came up with like a platform they wanted people to run on that they could call centrist, maybe it would be secure the border but have high skill immigrants. Because obviously those tech guys like that and maybe balance budget, you know, something that they come up with. They could do it and still have the time to say, we have the money. We'll spend $3 billion to fund any candidates who want to run for House or Senate on this platform. And they have enough time, I think that they could get this together by then. They could have the platform by July or August. They could start recruiting people, start getting them on the ballot, and you have the whole thing going by next spring. They have enough time to attempt that if they really want to. Now, I think what you'd find is much as Elon found the federal government frustrating because you can't just be a CEO and go in and blow stuff up. I think getting a party off the ground, he would see a similar thing like, oh, you mean we have to get all these volunteers who go and get signatures and they have to vet the signatures and it's a pretty big pain in the butt. And you can't just buy, you know, you can't just take a billion dollars and buy someone under the ballot in most places.
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Tyler
Well, you can't. Kind of can.
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Jack
Well, you can, you can pay people to collect signatures.
- [27:50]
Tyler
Yeah.
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Jack
But even then, if you're gonna. Again, the problem, one thing to put one person on the presidential ballot. But if we're running in the midterms, you can't run one person. You have to run 300 people.
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Tyler
So to get official party status in most states, there's a full process for it and it's a numerous month process. So you're running out of time, you're running out of daylight to basically do it.
- [28:10]
Charlie Kirk
RFK had trouble doing it because the problem, he just tried this with a ton of money last year.
- [28:15]
Tyler
Presidential. Yeah, presidential is different because each state has their own policies for how many signatures you need collect to get on the presidential ballot. But for official party status, in order to nominate somebody for governor, lieutenant governor, all the way down to local offices, but Congress in particular, you have to have official party status in the state. And so what they would have to do is they would have to go to the states that have the most opportunity to win. So the people that they effectively hate the most, where you can knock off one or two people in that state to make it worth it. The problem is that to get official party status in each of the states, there's a certain number of months that it takes to do it, and you have to do it before the initial primary election. Some primaries are as early as March and April of next year. That's when a lot of primaries are in some states. And so you legitimately have to be done with that and get official party status and identity, like right now. And so to your point, even if you paid people to do it, it would be almost impossible because you need a ton of signatures to make official status. But if you did it and you did it now, ahead of 2028, it could be really problematic because once you get official, you get in, you can actually nominate a person and you make the ballot automatically when you have that official status.
- [29:33]
Charlie Kirk
I'm laughing because someone in the chat just said that. That said, that said, Steve Witkoff now has to have a meeting with.
- [29:41]
Blake
Oh, that's very funny.
- [29:45]
Charlie Kirk
Send this special.
- [29:46]
Blake
I mean, I mean, all, all kidding aside, there will be like back. There will be attempts at back channels established here. Like, it's not even a question. This is not. This is, this is too important of a line. It's just, you know, the scarier part.
- [30:00]
Tyler
Is the attacks that Elon might. If, if it does continue the way it does, and I agree with Charlie, it's not. I don't think it's going to. It's going to get resolved and people are probably going to figure it out because there's not really any. There's nothing for them to get other than if you just have pure animosity. You want to take people out. But this could have implications where, if it continued, it would be more challenging for Republicans to retain the House. And if Republicans don't retain the House and Elon does continue saying things along the lines of impeach Trump, that's probably not helpful because they probably will. And then we'll have to go through all that circus. So we don't want to have that happen. It'd be better for it to get resolved and find some kind of common ground. And truly, Congress should be considering more things that Elon has his heart into here, because he's right on a lot of things. But we don't want to lose the House, and it's really narrow. Today, I think the political report came out, it was 208 to 207 with I can't remember how many in the teens of how many flippable. I mean, this is going to be a really close election for House in the way that it's trending.
- [31:09]
Jack
Honestly, I find it hard to imagine us hanging onto the House if there's any major dissent like this at all, it's razor close. We barely won it in 24. If 2018 is any pattern to go off of, we will not be as strong in an off year with Trump as president than we are with Trump himself on the ballot, especially in general, incumbents lose seats in the House. In general, incumbents lose seats in the Senate. Like, we are in for a tough fight no matter what. And if the second most favorite, second most famous guy in the 2024 Trump election cycle is now, you know, aggressively denouncing Trump, talking about impeaching him, I just, I don't see a way that that's healthy for us in any way whatsoever.
- [31:56]
Blake
Yeah, this is not good. But, I mean, it could be worse. And I think there's going to be reconciliation.
- [32:00]
Jack
Do you think there you strongly believe that?
- [32:03]
Blake
Yes, I do. I think. I'm not saying anytime soon, but I think that there's too much time, there's too much investment in this country. I don't think Elon wants to see the woke win. I don't think Elon wants to see our adversaries win. And I think that once. It's just also just. Blake, can you riff on the Byzantium thing?
- [32:22]
Jack
Yes. Yeah. Okay.
- [32:23]
Blake
Because it just kind of sometimes when you're in the tunnel, you don't quite realize, like, what's really going on here. And like, when history writes the book, they're like, at a time of great peril.
- [32:34]
Jack
Yeah. You just.
- [32:34]
Blake
When the Mohammedans were taking over and the Chinese were taking over. A very nasty Twitter feud ensued.
- [32:41]
Jack
Yeah, yeah, you could just read about this with, you know, in history, I love to always, if you want to think of something strange, you like to kind of step in and like zoom out to like 10,000ft. And you were thinking, if I'm reading a high school textbook about this, what would it say was ridiculous or dumb? And, you know, I kind of like to imagine how would you feel if you opened a textbook and you were reading about like the Roman Empire and it said, you know, in the early three hundreds of the Roman Empire, as barbarians were moving against the gates, so the Romans became consumed with mutilating their own bodies. And, you know, the Roman men would say that they were actually women and Roman women would say that they were actually men and they were performatively cut themselves. Like you would think, oh, these guys are completely deranged. So don't. We should feel a little off put when we see that today. But a similar thing you just read in so many declining states and so many declining empires. I was thinking of Byzantium, the Byzantine Empire, because I listened to a History of Byzantium podcast in my free time, as one does, and in the chronology of that empire, they're in the death spiral, you know, circling the drain. And you can just read it where, okay, the only way they could come back is if everyone, you know, united against all of their external enemies. And what do they do instead? They have dumb civil wars. They squander money on it. They squander attention on it. They, in some cases you just have people directly betraying their country. They, you know, you said the Mohammedans are at the gates. Do you know how the Turks got into Europe, Charlie?
- [34:07]
Blake
No.
- [34:07]
Jack
A Byzantine emperor fighting in a civil war brought them in as mercenaries and he let them keep one of the towns that they landed in. And they're like, oh, we're in Europe now. And then, you know, they conquered the entire Balkans about a hundred years later. Good job. Good job, bro. So that historical digression is just to say America has serious problems. They're less than they were six months ago. We should. It's so easy for us to forget because it was so easy, actually. We secured the border. We're not having 5,000 people come across every single day. Just point in, that's such a win.
- [34:42]
Blake
Good stuff going on.
- [34:43]
Jack
Yeah, like, that's such a w. It's such a W that we're like getting rid of all the, like the DEI trash that is Infesting so many things. Just today, the Supreme Court ruled. Oh, actually that part in the law where it says you can't discriminate based on race, that that applies to white people too. You can't discriminate against them either. That's a huge win. There are so many things we can build off of, and it would be a huge tragedy if we lose any of those things because we're falling into a civil war. And I would say this as well, and it's worth saying, is that whatever you think of, like the big beautiful bill, I think whatever changes we could make to it, you know, if we pass Trump's version, it's better than what we have now, and if we pass Elon's version, it's better than what we have now. Both, though, are better than just a Biden status quo, where you still have.
- [35:33]
Blake
Rid of the Biden status quo. It gets rid of his inflation reduction Act.
- [35:36]
Jack
It gets rid of a lot of great things. And I think it would be a huge tragedy to allow any of that to go under because of some ego fight, because of some sort of. Just because neither side will give an inch over it. And so I hope Charlie's right that there's reconciliation.
- [35:53]
Blake
I. I only say on the long game, I don't think this is gonna happen in the next week. But I will also say that the people around Trump are very sophisticated, and I think that there will be multiple attempts to try to bring folks and bring people together. Tyler, what do you think?
- [36:10]
Tyler
Well, I was just gonna say I think he's. Elon, slightly misreading this too. And I'm not saying that as hyper criticism, but it's not too far off from the DeSantis crowd where I think they're misreading. They're like, well, why isn't Trump doing more on this one specific issue or that specific issue? And that just the entire Trump movement, the MAGA movement, is so complex. It's way more complex than I think anyone ever gives it credit for. People oversimplify maga. There are so many sides to MAGA and so many different reasons why people at this point have collectively supported the President and trust him. And it's one big blow up how big or small it is really, but even a big one, people just aren't going to come off the President and they trust the president. And so how they look at this and the messaging that's coming out with the big beautiful bill is that we're talking about is it still does a lot. And the president really has played middleman between Congress who wants to do practically nothing and where Elon was. And Elon has lost the room because now he's kind of pushed Trump away with all this stuff and he started it. It wasn't Trump that started it, it was Elon that tweeted out about it first. And so I mean I think you have a misread that's going to self correct People like Elon's really smart people around him are smart that have worked with together. The White House has gone through this a thousand times. They're going to have some reconciliation and, and they're going to figure out that the only side that's ever going to get what he wants done is going to be on the right.
- [37:46]
Blake
So Jack, Jack, let's, let's talk about the, the perspective here of where we as a movement go next. Is it best to largely ignore this? I think that's probably best. We kind of have the blow up dust up again. This alternatively could have been like a two week feud and it still might be. But like again when you accuse someone of being in the Epstein files. Oh, and they also want him the impeached.
- [38:13]
Tyler
Right?
- [38:14]
Charlie Kirk
Yeah.
- [38:14]
Tyler
Okay.
- [38:15]
Blake
Interestingly though, he might still be pro JD because he was like I want Trump replaced with JD So whatever. Jack, what is the best way forward?
- [38:27]
Charlie Kirk
Yeah look, the best way forward. I think I would agree with you. Like you have to and this has got to be clear. There needs to be an addressing of the debt. I think that is a real grievance. You can't spend yourselves into oblivion. And there are real issues with the global these, you know, these debt markets, the financial capital markets. They've taken out the German Chancellor Mears who was over today at the White House. The entire German government is bankrupt. They're like parabolic. The level of Greece in 2008 they're looking at right now. And a lot of this of course has to do with the Ukraine war. There are huge, huge issues of debt that obviously have, have crippled Japan that have gone through and taken out multiple governments in the past. So it's, it's absolutely fine to say that this isn't like the H1B debate. Right. If you remember that from. Oh, I remember this was the last time there was this big dust up with Elon.
- [39:19]
Blake
That was the precursor immigration.
- [39:22]
Charlie Kirk
It was. But immigration is a fundamentally different issue and than debt where the MAGA movement I think is very sympathetic to this question. I think, I think the MAGA movement and conservatives in general and as Tyler saying the we need to cut spending.
- [39:36]
Blake
Everyone I talk to agrees we have to cut spending.
- [39:37]
Charlie Kirk
Everybody that wants to cut, wants to cut debt.
- [39:40]
Blake
That's, that's absolutely sure.
- [39:41]
Charlie Kirk
But at the same time, we as a MAGA movement are not going to renege on immigration and we're certainly not going to renege on mass deportations. And the fact of the matter remains, that deployment political reality is what it is. This was the deportation bill that we were going to get. There is no easier way to get a better deportation bill. It's just not going to happen. This is the real world. This is the way politics works. Nobody likes it, but guess what? That's the system that we have. And so unless you want to go in and change the entire system overnight, which is impossible, you've got to deal with the system that we have. And that's this one. There isn't a better option to a better mass deportation bill, period. Full stop. So for, for the movement, I think you see it with Trump signaling, you know, he's, he's saying, I don't have any comments. I'm moving on. I'm doing the next thing. And I think you're going to see the movement, by and large do that as well, that they are going to move on to the next thing. And President Trump's going to continue having these foreign visits. He may go over to China soon. Obviously, there's still the Ukraine war that's going to go on and the news cycle will find something else. He's got a tweet up right now or a truth up right now saying, I don't mind that this happened and I still support the bill. It does have cuts. He's promoting. It calls it the big beautiful bill. I call it the big beautiful deportation bill. And he's really signaling that he just wants to get back to the issues at hand. And I think that's what the movement is going to end up doing. Look, Donald Trump is not going to lose his supporters. There's nobody out there who's going to say, oh, I regret voting for Donald Trump because Elon isn't part of the White House anymore. That voter just doesn't exist. I'm sorry, they really don't exist. And so you're going to see that continue and people want these things done.
- [41:25]
Blake
Yeah. And I will say to see these promises kept.
- [41:28]
Charlie Kirk
And President Trump is clearly doing that.
- [41:30]
Blake
So it's interesting. I'm going to test this on X soon. But I will say, though, that the feedback I'm getting online is not actually like, why are they Fighting. It's more like, what is Elon doing? Yeah. At least that's what in my circle, I don't know. You guys agree? Would you agree, Tyler?
- [41:47]
Tyler
Every single person that's watching this and in the political that are surrounding us, that are hyper political, like hypersensitive, they're like, what? Like why?
- [41:58]
Blake
Yeah, at least that's what I'm getting. Blake, I don't know if you agree, but that seems to be the current sentiment.
- [42:03]
Jack
I think, truthfully, people have seen a lot of Elon behavior over. I mean, frankly, they've debated it a long time ago, like, liberals were doing this when they were just turning against him and we still liked him where they said, oh, like, Elon is losing it. Elon's getting, like, more and more aggressive and like, sort of out there behavior. You know, we've seen the funny stuff where, like, he has the women he has kids with and you sort of roll your eyes at it and. But at least it's not public. But there's a lot of people who have that sense of. Is like, is Elon losing it a bit? And some of that is. He does, like, this doesn't feel strategic. It feels grandiose. Like he's thinking, oh, I can just blow up Trump and go start my own political party and I'm going to just gloat about it on Twitter. Now, in his defense, a different person a decade ago did basically just brag on Twitter that he could go and get himself made president, and he did, in fact, go do that. So you sometimes can have grandiose claims on social media pan out, but I wouldn't say it's super likely.
- [43:08]
Blake
Yeah, yeah. And so I have a lot of thoughts. I'm not going to say right now, but yeah. So I have other things I'll say privately, but yeah.
- [43:16]
Tyler
Yeah. I think again, I think Elon just kind of over a skis with the political movement because again, part of politics is this. And don't forget, Elon's built a political apparatus around himself. So America pac he invested heavily into. You would assume that any threats that are made are going to be utilizing that. That entity that he's created is very conservative. It's not anything else. It's not made up of Democrats. It's not made up of independents. It's made up of conservatives. And the conservatives that we know are all good people that are over there, and they're not going to be. And I wouldn't accuse them of being ultra Trump supporters. I don't know every single person's proclivity to certain people. But like it's, they're probably more likely to support people who maybe didn't support Elon in, in his quest for Doge cuts. So he has a really unique situation that's in front of him and that's kind of insider information. There's like where you look at all this and go, okay, well there's going to be some, you know, he might make some changes, he might make some shifts, he might try to do some things Right. That are damaging. But I think that the more people try to do those things and play those games within politics and presidential politics in particular, it's usually self, self harming. And we saw that again with some of the things we like Ron DeSantis, he's a good guy. He's very friendly with Charlie. Charlie went and sat with him and, and all of that. But some of the people that were around him, yeah, kind of hurt themselves.
- [44:49]
Blake
It's never been a personal thing with Ron. I have a different take than most people. I'm very magnetic to sending out like.
- [44:55]
Charlie Kirk
Fundraising emails based on this though.
- [44:57]
Blake
What, what Jack, tell us who is Jack?
- [45:00]
Charlie Kirk
Jack has more Governor Ron DeSantis.
- [45:02]
Blake
If Ron DeSantis is like the flu, Jack knows within like an hour.
- [45:07]
Charlie Kirk
No, it's viral.
- [45:08]
Blake
It's like unbelievable. It's like DeSantis has Covid.
- [45:13]
Charlie Kirk
So like shortly after unbelievable, Elon started going off off Ron DeSantis PAC sends out an email promoting Elon and Doge and basically counter signaling this entire thing. And yes, I do pay attention to counter signalers because this is what led to Ron DeSantis's campaign in the first place. And his completely failed primary re humiliated and embarrassed himself in front of the entire country. And, and yeah, so he's, he's, Elon isn't backing down. He leads the fight. And Ron DeSantis isn't going to back down either. Chip in as well and came out right after this. Elon Musk took the hits and led the charge and that came out right at 1:21pm I think that's Eastern. So he's clearly, clearly playing politics here. And you see by the way, a lot of the DeSantis people are all over X right now spreading just ridiculous nonsense about Trump and Epstein. Just absolute lies, libel in many cases. And you're seeing them have an absolute free for all here. So I think there's a lot of people who are kind of looking at Elon in terms of his wallet and certainly he was involved with that X spaces when Desantis first announced was with Elon, and they're thinking, oh, perhaps this is a way to get back in or something like that.
- [46:31]
Blake
Do you think that. Can we. Do we talk. We didn't talk much about the Epstein thing. Right.
- [46:37]
Jack
I just. I feel like it's barely worth talking about. Like, it almost feels like, just like, like slop fodder. He just is like, oh, Trump is in the Epstein thing. Didn't we. I think we already knew that. It's almost.
- [46:48]
Blake
No, but the February documents show that he was in there, but there was no criminality.
- [46:51]
Jack
Yeah. It's just like, they literally, a lot.
- [46:53]
Charlie Kirk
Of people times, it's just.
- [46:55]
Blake
I mean, I think Jack said it on Twitter, like, why would you need Russiagate if Trump was involved with Epstein?
- [46:59]
Tyler
Yeah.
- [47:00]
Blake
And by the way, why would they.
- [47:01]
Charlie Kirk
Try to kill him? Why would they try to bankrupt him? Why would they try to arrest him? Why would they do all.
- [47:05]
Blake
Yeah. And then also, just. Just so we're clear, this is the most. Yeah, exactly, Jack. And some people say, well, you must understand if, you know, there's Democrats in there. So they don't want to release the files. And they wanted to defeat Trump more than anything else ever in the last year. Like, ever.
- [47:22]
Tyler
Yes.
- [47:22]
Blake
With, like, imagine this. Imagine Kamala Harris wins in, you know, she's the nominee in August, and they do the Kamala switch and an Epstein op within a couple weeks. That would have been pretty big. That.
- [47:34]
Jack
Right.
- [47:34]
Charlie Kirk
Which Epstein's already dead at this point. He's already dead. The network's already out there. They've. No, obviously I would. And by the way, like, I want everything released. I've said it a million times. I want everything released. I've gone as far as I can to literally go to the White House to ask them personally in many cases, and spoke to the Attorney General of the United States and the head of the FBI and personally lobbied them directly one on one in the White House about this. So please, like, if there's anything else I can do, let me know, because I'm trying here, folks. I'm trying. But the idea that they wouldn't have released this when Merrick Garland was in charge of the DOC or DOJ and have people be able to, you know, put this together. Of course they would have. Of course they would have. Ghislaine Maxwell, who's still around, of course they would have put this out for Kamala Harris, because who knows? Who knows what that would have done in a close election? I don't think. Think that. I don't know, I mean, it's just so ridiculous to even think about where it's so obviously not true. Donald Trump kicked, we have to say this, like, a million times. Donald Trump kicked Jeffrey Epstein out of his Mar A Lago club in 1999 and immediately turned around before the first arrest, the one where he got the sweetheart deal. Even before all that, offered to help do anything he can because he heard that Epstein was coming on to, like, daughters of guests and. And members and things like this. This story has been told a million times, and believe me, if they could have told, they would have done so a long, long time.
- [49:12]
Blake
Yes. It's just. I feel as if we've been through this narrative 45 times.
- [49:18]
Tyler
They would have manipulated the whole narrative to blame it all on Trump.
- [49:20]
Blake
Of course, by the way, they would have thrown Bill Clinton under the bus to get rid of Trump. Like, they do that all the time. They'll throw away their old relics. Are you kidding me?
- [49:28]
Jack
Yeah. It's like Al Franken, like, became. Yes, that's what I'm saying for 10 minutes.
- [49:32]
Blake
But, like, if they would easily have, like, thrown Bill Clinton into, like, the dustbin of history and Hillary, they would have destroyed the whole Clinton thing. If it meant getting Kamala Harris as president.
- [49:44]
Tyler
They would have manufactured 90,000 things around the one.
- [49:47]
Blake
So let's. Let's think of all the Palm beach, like, intelligentsia. They would have thrown out every, like, Palm beach billionaire, Palm beach intelligence.
- [49:54]
Charlie Kirk
No, it's true.
- [49:55]
Blake
Like the Palm beach ruling class.
- [49:57]
Jack
I mean, well, it's just funny because Palm beach is not, you know, it. It's not like an intellectual capital.
- [50:02]
Blake
Let's just find Palm beach ruling class, the Palm beach billionaire elite. Like, if you're the Democrats and you are. You're Joe Biden and you have access to the Epstein files, and you are. You're trying every up. Okay, let's just be clear. They try to put Donald Trump in prison for 700 years for document stuff. And for all this, if they would have had him on Epstein stuff, they probably would have moved on that.
- [50:27]
Tyler
Yeah.
- [50:28]
Blake
And at the very least, if the statute limitations was, like, beyond, they would have definitely, like.
- [50:33]
Jack
Like, Jack Smith's investigation would had a little more oomph if he was like, oh, and Donald Trump is a pedophile.
- [50:40]
Blake
Yeah. Or Jason Smith was like, we raided Mar A Lago to get information pertaining to the Epstein investigation. Now, that would have been, like, a PR narrative that would have been cooking. Right. This idea that after 10 years, all of a sudden, like, we're supposed to Believe it. And, like, look, I just. It's just so ridiculous in more ways than one. Just because you're listed in a file does not also mean you're, like, a client or you're incriminated. Like, you know how many people, like, a lot of people are listed in the 911 Commission? Not everyone. Rudy Giuliani's in the 911 Commission. You know that he was also the mayor of New York.
- [51:14]
Jack
And, you know, Rudy Giuliani later worked for Donald Trump.
- [51:18]
Blake
He must have done 9 11.
- [51:19]
Jack
Yeah.
- [51:20]
Blake
You know that Donald Trump is a real estate developer.
- [51:22]
Jack
He would have been interested if the towers had gone down.
- [51:25]
Blake
Exactly. And so it's. It's kind of like a little bit. It's just such lazy intellectual crap that it just kind of goes to such a level that at first it was kind of like your jaws on the ground, and then you, like, think about it and you're like, oh, okay, hold on. Like, after all of this, we're really now doing the Epstein thing?
- [51:47]
Tyler
Like, okay, they scoured the planet Charlie for the Access Hollywood tape in 2016. Trust me, if they had anything that was out there, they would have released that years ago. It would have been out so fast.
- [52:03]
Blake
Yes. And it's just. Again, I just. I have. By the way, we should clip up this little thing we're doing. I'm getting lots of texts from people. People are liking it. So imagine you're like the grand maestro of the Democrat war room, right? You're trying, like, let's defeat Donald Trump. And you have access to the entire federal bureaucracy. So you got Merrick Garland, you got. You have Lisa Monaco, who's the deputy A.G. you got Jack Smith. You control the House, you control the Senate, and here's this, like, bubbling up Trump movement, right? And you decide to go dispatch Alvin Bragg and big Fanny Willis while you're sitting on an Epstein indictment. You're trying to tell me they're like, I've got it.
- [52:42]
Jack
We're gonna have Fanny Willis indict Trump for making a tweet that people should watch oan because the Georgia House is in session. We're gonna get him on that one.
- [52:53]
Blake
Just understand that. We are clear. Here you go. Have, like, one of the dumbest people ever in the history of criminal justice, Fanny Willis coupled with Jack Smith while you're sitting on an Epstein potential indictment that would have actually potentially jeopardized Donald Trump's political campaign. Yeah, no, I'm sorry. It's just beyond rubbish. Beyond.
- [53:14]
Tyler
It's, like, so stupid. You have to be Very, very, very low IQ to fall into the traps of. And these are the circles that are on Twitter unfortunately too, is that I see so many people who consider themselves conservative. They get lots of likes and retweets and things like that on this stuff. This is what created that whole Desantis crew that Jack was just talking about is that's what destroyed Desantis entire campaign.
- [53:41]
Blake
Was that kind of stuff overly X driven campaign? And I've actually been saying this for a while privately, and I'm going to say it now. We get huge numbers on X. We had a tweet that, you know, just got 60 million things. I no longer look to X as the finger on the pulse as I used to. It's. It's kind of like a little bit of like a doom loop of a brain rot in the algorithm feed. I actually look more on YouTube at times for like kind of a good pulse.
- [54:06]
Jack
Unfortunately, the big thing with X is like a lot of the left did leave X. And I think the value, one of the biggest values of Twitter and why it was so atrocious that the left killed it the way the original Twitter, the way they did is it was open public free speech platform and Elon Musk brought back the free speech. But the left hates free speech now. So they all went to blue sky so that they could like become unhinged on it together. And that plus the monetization of it, it threw off the balance of it a bit. Plus AI bots. There's a lot of AI bots.
- [54:39]
Blake
There's a ton. I just again, I don't want to smash X too much. Like, I don't want. I'm just saying we still love it. We still love. I am immensely glad Elon bought it again. Elon can unfollow me, he could shadow ban me. I don't care. I will die at the stake on the intellectual purity that our civilization is, is like, is infinitely better. It is standards of deviation better because Elon decided to park, what, 40, what is it, 420 billion? What for $42 billion. Whatever was for 20. We are a better country because of it. And we should thank him for that. It's very important. We're glad you did that, Elon. Thank you for buying X. We remain committed to that. You can simultaneous also say be like, this is not a good 24 hours. Okay? You are hoping Donald Trump gets impeached and you're also being like, oh, he's on the Epstein file list. Okay, then why are you hanging around with him? So much. I mean, like, there's a lot of just like contradictions here. It's not the own that you think it is. I think they're just kinds gonna be a little bit like, boop, boop, backpedal. And I also just say, like, we're all on Team America. We can all reconcile here. It's all good. The enemy is the left. The enemy is the Marxist. We know what they are. And we still control the White House, everybody. Yep, we're still in control.
- [55:59]
Tyler
Yeah. And honestly, I think that's one of the most disastrous things. And the lessons that we need to learn from stuff like this is, is to have conservative activists, in particular the activist class. So you have an activist base that's on X in particular, that has to learn how to rally around our people and not always engage in just like the he said, she said. And then ultimately the destructive is, I think that we have a lot of members of Congress. There's a few. Some of them are very interesting one's from South Carolina that sometimes gets into some of the stuff where it just like it absorbs so much shock instead of people going out and doing things that are going to be impactful for the movement. And I say this because, like running an activist organization with Turning Point action, you have to have people focused on end goals that are positive.
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Blake
Yes.
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Tyler
And when they're doing that, then you have less of this stuff. If you. All you're doing is spending your time just like kind of, you know, falling into, you know, what is Trump saying and now what is Elon saying? You're not doing stuff to actually save the conservative movement.
- [57:12]
Blake
This is not tmz, okay? Like, we got it. We got a DTMZ politics. Okay. This is like what, the Drake and Kendrick Lamar thing? I knew nothing about that. Yes. I only knew about it because kids would ask about it on campus. It's not constructive. Okay. The war of words means. It's just there's nothing fruitful here. And at the same time, we just. We just have to just kind of take a deep breath and keep the main thing. The main thing. And I harbor no resentment whatsoever because I actually want to save the country. You could call me all these different names. Do you know how many people that have attacked me, you know, over the last couple that have attacked me, like, repeatedly and aggressively throughout the years? And by the way, we're at the 13 year anniversary of Turning Point, USA Today. Thirteen years and people have been attacked. It's very good. Thank you. Thank you, Blake. It's very Fitting that this all happens on the 13th today of all day, the lucky 13th, you know, birthday. But it's just you have to, in politics, you have to have very, very short memories. You have to be very magnanimous. You have to be very willing to forgive and to move on. And I think that there is a moment where we need to allow this to kind of just pass and eventually de escalate.
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Jack
It's so funny to think, imagine if this was 50 years ago and they had a fight. This would just be an article in Time magazine like a month after it happened. And then maybe someone would write about it in their memoirs later. But now it happens instantaneously and like 50 years ago, no one would have noticed or paid attention. It would just be some drama. The president, one of his businessman advisors. But in the modern age, they have a falling out and someone immediately goes on. X says something, you can't unsay it. Giant blow up, everyone's riveted. It distracts everyone. It just drives home the difference between now and the past.
- [59:18]
Blake
Final thoughts. Jack?
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Charlie Kirk
Yeah. People supported Donald Trump because they like Donald Trump and they like his policies. That's what this comes down to. If Donald Trump delivers on the policies, the tax relief, the immigration reform, the mass deportations, foreign policy, the rest of it, Maha, of course, then the coalition stands. And it's as simple as that. That's what shifted the needle in 2024. That's what shifted the votes. And, and Charlie, you and I have talked about this. If he's able to deliver even more tax relief from, from middle class or working class, not only will the Republicans win the house in 2026, they will expand their majority. It's really as simple as that. And I think people need to. I think people need to take a step back. Stay frosty. I'm staying frosty. I am sub zero. I am maintaining maximum levels of frigidity right now. Politics is still politics, okay? Donald Trump's in a feud. Men fight. Big news, big deal. Get over it. Focus on the policies, focus on the victories, and they will continue.
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Blake
It's all going to be okay. Again, I will say right here, you can mark it down by Christmas. Maybe before that there will be like a surprise. Elon Musk comes for dinner, comes for dessert at Mar a Lago, you know, leaked New York Times, Elon Musk spotted at Mar a Lago. I'm just saying, if you nail that.
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Jack
One, I, I guess I'll just be really impressed.
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Blake
I could be wrong. I'm just saying, by Christmas, don't be shocked if all of a sudden you're gonna see like, a Elon Musk cameo just coming by for a little bit of, like a little sundae, you know, a little bit of a nice, you know, with extra chocolate sauce and M and Ms.
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Tyler
Right.
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Jack
He can't have extra. Trump's the only one who gets two scoops.
- [61:07]
Blake
That's right. Two scoops, two terms, two assassination attempts to Musk reconciliations. There we go. There we go. And again, I want to just say one other thing. Elon had a blow up with President Trump back in 2017. It wasn't of this magnitude, but he was on some sort of, you know, advisory thing, and he left it and he blew up and he left Trump. There's a waxing, there's a waning, there's an up and there's a down, and then there's valleys and there's troughs. I'm going to be a little contrarian here because I think I. I know I am in a unique position because I actually know both of these guys. I don't know Elon nearly as well as the President, but I've spent a lot of time with Elon the last six months, and he's really good to me. That's great. And I harbor no resentment that he unfollowed me. And whatever he feels, he feels. And tomorrow will be a new day. Subscribe to the Charlie Kirk show podcast. Everybody take out your phone and type in. Charlie Kirk show podcast. Check out Jack Posobec's show, Human Events Daily. Jack does an amazing job. You guys can subscribe there as well. This was a flash episode of Thoughtcrime. We have a lot more to do. This was really great. Email me now. Freedomarlicirk.com how you guys are thinking about this? What side are you on? What team are you on? I think it's actually going to all be okay. I think cooler heads are going to prevail, and I am long on America, and I think that we're going to figure this one out. Talk to you guys soon. God bless. Keep committing thought crimes.
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Jack
Thought crime is death.