Andrew (1:50)

I'm going to be strongly recommending, at the request of government officials, which is always nice, that you start looking at San Francisco. I think we can make San Francisco, there's one of our great cities 10 years ago, 15 years ago, now it's a mess.

Jack Posobiec (2:05)

Mark Bray was denounced by the president of Dartmouth University because of his embrace of violence on all the way back in 2017. He said if you label someone a white supremacist, if you label someone a fascist, then he endorses violence against them. The same way that our leader Charlie Kirk was branded a fascist and included the casing of one of the bullets that said, hey, fascist, catch. So Mark Bray, have you disavowed the violence against Charlie Kirk, RC, our former CEO, our late CEO, have you disavowed the violence that you have endorsed against our own students? Like these two incredible female students there at Rutgers who by the way, they're being Harassed. They're now being dots. And I would just say this to Rutgers. I spoke with Turning Point headquarters earlier tonight. We stand by our chapter. We will defend our chapter. And if the university wants to make an issue of it, they can find out how good our lawyers are. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome aboard today's edition of Human Events Daily. We're here live in Washington, D.C. real America's Voice today is October 16, 2025 Anno Domini. Well, folks, you just saw the news there. Dr. Antifa, Dr. Antifa has fled the country for Spain claiming that TP USA is harassing him, attacking him, doxing him. No, no, that's not what's going on at all up at Rutgers University in New Jersey, where 19 days from now, there's going to be a major election as well as elections in New York. Madame. He's got the debate tonight and then, of course, 19 days, the election in New Jersey where Jay Jones has called for Republican children to be murdered and nobody seems to be able to disavow him on the Democrat side. Well, what do we see up in Rutgers? They're now investigating the Turning Point USA chapter. They've put our students under investigation, claiming that they are the ones who have caused all these problems. And suddenly there's issues with the paperwork. Well, Rutgers Turning Point USA will defend the chapters, will defend the students, and will defend the right to freedom of speech against people like Dr. Antifa who support violence, against people like Dr. Antifa who say that violence against quote, unquote fascists and white supremacists that he gets to identify is justified. We also saw the breaking news just moments ago. President Trump ending this call with Vladimir Putin of Russia, stating unequivocally that they will now be able to be working towards an end to the Ukraine war. There's going to be a series of meetings tomorrow. It all begins here in Washington, D.C. president Trump will meet with Zelensky at the White House. And then at a point still yet to be determined, President Trump will fly to Budapest to meet with Vladimir Putin directly. This is very significant because Vladimir Putin has not traveled to the EU since the beginning of the Ukraine war. This is a situation that obviously is ongoing. President Trump, of course, has been working towards peace deals around the entire world. And he's going for the trifecta, folks. He's absolutely going for the trifecta because you already had the peace deal in the Middle east, the peace deal between Hamas, Israel. Now he's going for the peace deal in Ukraine. This is an incredible situation. Of course, it's fluid. We will do, as you know, everything possible to be able to cover that story, to be able to cover it, hopefully live from Budapest, one way or another. The same way that we went up to Anchorage for the historic meeting, first time that we human events researchers dug in as far back as we could in the archives. We don't believe a Russian leader had ever traveled to Alaska before, even back when it was Russian territory, went back that far. This was historic. President Trump's work is to put his money where his mouth is. World history is on the table. All history is on the table. And world peace is the prize. And so, no to the folks over in Nobel, the psychologists out there, no, they're not going to be giving President Trump the Nobel Peace Prize this time because they never could, they never could admit that it wasn't one of their profound neoliberal, globalist Marxists who brought the world peace. No, in fact, was a billionaire from New York City from Fifth Avenue. And, yeah, he's a little crass sometimes, and, yeah, he's a little politically incorrect sometimes, but you know something? He gets the job done. You had the art of the deal. Now you're gonna see the art of the peace deal. And so, folks, we are going to face all of that. This is what we're fighting for, by the way, in the midst of political violence, in the midst of an ecosystem where to be a conservative is now to have a target on your back. One month after the murder of our friend Charlie Kirk. Right back, Jack, with Sofa Humans Day.

Andrew (7:26)

Stand in our way, and our golden age has just begun.

Chloe Cole (7:30)

This is Human Events with Jack Posoba.

Jack Posobiec (7:32)

Now it's time for everyone to understand what America first truly means. Welcome to the second American Revolution. All right, guys, Jack Posobic, we are here, Human Events daily back Washington, D.C. before we bring in our next guest here, I just wanted to take a quick moment and really let you guys know about, you know, people say, how are you guys? You're going so hard, you're doing so many shows, hours upon hours of shows, traveling still all across the country, doing what we can to continue the work of Charlie Kirk. I don't even like to say carry the torch or the baton, but just making sure that turning point and the turning point legacy will continue forever. And, and I just got to say, folks, I would not have been able to do it with, without my friends at Blackout Coffee because I am so glad that I have blackout coffee and that I have them. And they are here sponsoring human events daily. Let me tell you something. They've released a new bag. We just got it at the house. The other day they released a special commemorative bag of coffee for Turning Point USA in Charlie Kirk's memory. I want you guys to go and get that. I want you to check it out. It's so wonderful that blackout did this for us. And I'll tell you right now, blackout coffee is America in a cup. They were founded on Christian values. They're rooted in family built on the belief that hard working Americans deserve better than, you know, the corporate swill that Andrew was spilling on himself earlier today. Blackout coffee is a family business that roasts every batch right here in the USA2 roast you've got to try Morning Reaper. That's a smooth medium roast that kicks off your day without any bitterness. And the dark roast lovers brutal awakening. Personally, I like the brutal awakening. It is a bold, rich roast with deep flavor that'll keep you sharp and alert. It's perfect for serving family and friends, especially around the holidays because let's face it, the best gatherings start with the best coffee. So here's the deal. Go to blackoutcoffee.com poso and use promo code POSO for 20 off your first order. That's blackoutcoffee.com poso support a company that shares your values, supports American jobs and fuels your freedom one strong cup at a time. And I just want to say for the record that the coffee that Andrew spilled earlier today when he was co hosting the Charlie Kirk show was not blackout coffee. Should have, should have got in there. Got man. Should have got in there. Folks, I want to very excited to bring on our next guest. You may know him, he's been out there quite a bit. It's his first time here. Inaugural debut on Human Events Daily. His name is is Dr. Joseph, Dr. Joseph Wuring. But most people just know him as Dr. Joseph. Doctor, thank you so much for joining us today.

Dr. Joseph Wuring (10:19)

Thanks for having me, Jack. It's great to be here with you.

Jack Posobiec (10:21)

Well, you are the medical director of Taper Clinic. Tell tell folks a little bit about yourself and what brought you to public advocacy.

Dr. Joseph Wuring (10:30)

Sure. So I'm a traditionally trained psychiatrist and I entered the psychiatric system and quickly realized that we were practicing a kind of turnstile type medicine where you would check in with the doctor for five to 10 minutes and they would prescribe you a medication. And that's not what I signed up to do. I really wanted to help people with the reasons why they were anxious and depressed and we've completely gotten away from that in psychiatry. However, When I brought that up with my attendings at the time, they said, hey Joseph, a lot of these concerns, they're overblown. FDA has approved these medications, they're safe and effective and I just didn't buy it. So I ended up embarking on a my career in clinical trial research where I worked for Johnson and Johnson. I then worked at the FDA doing a clinical trial analysis. And I eventually came to the conclusion that I think modern psychiatry in many ways may be one of the biggest frauds going on right now. Because none of the drugs are studied longer than a year. Doctors don't tell patients this. From the 10 years of doing this, I've seen many cases where they've made people worse. And for some people, coming off them can be incredibly challenging. And so having sort of seen how the sausage was made in the factory, I decided I didn't want to be a part of that. So five years ago I founded the Taper Clinic. And it's essentially, it's a medical practice where we help people come off psychiatric medications that are making them worse and then we teach them non drug approaches to manage their mental health.

Jack Posobiec (12:00)

Well, this is really incredible because, you know, we do seem to suffer from a mental health crisis in this country and many of which has unfortunately led to violence. We see so many active shooters these days that are tied to antidepressants, that are tied to psychiatric medication. And you know, I've talked about publicly on the show, but I don't realize, you probably don't really know that. My father and my grandmother actually both worked in a psychiatric hospital for their entire careers before my father retired about 29 years or so. And you know, that model of medicine was totally different than what we've seen already, especially for people who need that long term institutionalization. It's completely been done away with and now we sort of have them out in the general population where people, you know, doctors seem to just throw a script at somebody and let them back out on the street. And unfortunately we do see a link between this and violence. Do you think there's a reason that, that for some reason in society today we don't have more discussion or more public discussion about this link?

Dr. Joseph Wuring (13:07)

Yes. So the truth is, Jack, that most psychiatrists and they act more like advocates for the medications rather than really taking a more clinical look at things. And I think, you know, the pharmaceutical industry, I have to say, they control a huge amount of medicine right now. I mean this is, these are trillion dollar industries and essentially when you do that you can, you can promote certain perspectives. You can pick certain doctors within medical institutions and you can let them run the clinical trials, you can help their careers. And what eventually happens is, you see it this like the upper echelon of the medical education system is you have drug friendly professors. I mean, how could it be any other way? You know, when, when there's this influence going on. And because of that, they are very much persuaded by arguments where if you talk about the risks of these medications, you are going to make people commit suicide. And there's a strong parallel with the whole transgender issue because we all saw after the Wpath files came out that there were some really concerning issues about kids not even being able to give informed consent to taking drugs and doing surgeries that could impact their fertility later on. And that was essentially silenced because they said, well, if you say these things, you know, we're going to lose ground, it's going to make people second guess and it's going to lead to more suicides. These positions, they often come from, you know, they're, they're masquerading as compassion, to be honest. They're saying, well, we don't want to tell people the truth or the, the concerns about these issues because it's going to lead to harm. But that's not really compassion. They, they usually have a political agenda. And that's why the, the American public haven't really been told the truth and the facts about the roles that these drugs, psychiatric ones can have in violence.

Jack Posobiec (15:00)

They, they certainly can. And, and so, you know, I, I'd be remiss if I didn't say this, but I just wanted to dive right in that, you know, here I am, I find myself in this situation where one of my close personal friends.

Chloe Cole (15:15)

Up.

Jack Posobiec (15:15)

Until one month ago was an incredibly well known public figure. Charlie Kirk was assassinated and was killed by someone who now, as far as we know, was not a transgender individual himself, but apparently was in a relationship with a transgender boyfriend. This alleged assassin, murderer Tyler Robinson, found himself at the top of a school building, hours away from where he lived. And he had been this very exceptional student prior to this, yet somehow drops out of a full ride to Utah State, gets involved in a very strange, odd relationship with a transgender individual, and then goes, and you know, there's all this evidence linking him now to the murder of my friend. And I just wonder, how do you un, how do you begin to unpack the mind of someone who would do such a thing for seemingly such a strange motive?

Dr. Joseph Wuring (16:17)

So I think, you know, based off the text messages that were sent. This was coming. This had a romantic aspect to it. I believe that Tyler felt that his partner was being threatened by the things that Charlie Kirk was saying. And the truth is that, you know, in today's world, we can very easily fall into echo chambers, which really radicalize us. And the main messaging happening in a lot of these echo chambers is that Charlie Kirk is a fascist. His words, they're not just words. They're dangerous, and they're leading to people dying. And so when you look at it in that way, and then also just these broader things happening in society, the transgender agenda really is decreasing. It is less and less popular every day, especially since the WPATH files, and there's not a whole. Whole group of people sort of cheering this on now. These individuals are becoming. I think a lot of them are starting to feel very isolated and. And out of place and threatened. And so if you feel like your partner is very threatened and you've. You're bought into this idea that words are violence and they're leading to people dying, you might go and do something very drastic, such as assassinate essentially someone who did not. Who did not deserve it. Because in some way, in some fantasy, in your mind, you think this makes you a hero and you're saving people.

Jack Posobiec (17:40)

So in his mind, it's not necessarily just the anger at Charlie Kirk or by itself. It's also the sense of defense, defense of others, defense of his lover. In this case, that in order to defend my lover, I must position this person who is somehow threatening to him. And I'm trying to walk myself through it and wrap my mind around it in order to protect them, even though I. Presumably Charlie, has never even met this person. And it seems that there's. There's a dissociation here. Isn't that right?

Dr. Joseph Wuring (18:17)

Yes. Yeah. I mean, that's. That's what I think is. Has happened. And, you know, the saddest part about this is after Charlie's death, I went and I watched some of the videos where he would actually talk to transgender individuals on college campuses. He said some of the kindest things ever. I mean, he stuck to his guns. But I remember one thing he said to an individual who was talking about their difficulty with their gender identity. Identity. He said, you know, I just hope that one day you can love the body that. That you were. That you were given. And it was very well received by the person. I could see it. And there was just a gentleness about him. Charlie didn't hate the transgender community. Charlie. I mean, he talked about. I mean, he said what he believed about it, but he was actually very kind. And so, I mean that's what makes this a huge tragedy is I don't think the other side sees that. What I think they see is a very radicalized, one sided perspective. And I think that's right.

Jack Posobiec (19:15)

Dr. Joseph, we're coming up on a, on a very quick break. Hold that thought. We'll be right back. Human events Daily.

Andrew (19:25)

About influencers. These are influencers and they're friends of mine.

Chloe Cole (19:30)

Jack.

Andrew (19:32)

Where's Jack, who's got a great job?

Jack Posobiec (19:37)

All right, Jack Paso. Look, we're back. Live Human events daily. We're talking about Tyler Robinson, the alleged assassin of Charlie Kirk and these, these strange pro trans views that he's then and relationship that seems to have been the motive for pulling the trigger and killing Charlie. Dr. Joseph, you were talking before about how it seems as though he was living an isolated existence. And so I wonder if you could juxtapose that with the fact that we keep being told over and over. And I'll find myself in debates and in panels where people will say, well, wait a minute, this guy is from a very conservative, very Republican, lds, Mormon family. And yet he seems to have been living a sort of dual life where he's going to see the family but then also becoming estranged by them all and carrying on this relationship with a, a man who's going through gender transition. Walk us through what's going on in all that.

Dr. Joseph Wuring (20:41)

So I, when we look at statistics and this one is relevant, you know, the statistic that I want to share is about social trust. And so if you go Back to the 1970s, social trust is at an all time high in the US it's around 50%. If you ask, do you trust your neighbors? 50% of people say yes. Coming to today now it's dropped about 20%. And the question is why? Now most of the researchers when they look at this, they actually think it has to do with the rise of cable news and then also social media. And so when you have less news sources now and there's more places to get information, you can get algorithms that just hit you with certain types of content and essentially radicalize you very quickly. You can find yourself in a corner of the Internet where everything that Trump says makes him Hitler, everything that Charlie says makes him a Nazi. They are responsible for transgender genocide. And if you just keep on hearing these messages, essentially you get to a point where you feel justified in harming them. You feel, you feel like this is good for the world. And I actually think this kind of ideology is why we see an outsized involvement of people with gender dysphoria in school shootings. Since 2018, there's been 60. Sorry, since 2018, there's been 60 mass shootings. And 6 of the people have had gender dysphoria. Now for, I mean, I think statistically it's around 1% of the background population has that. And so that, that's outsized. This is 10% of the people who are involved in these, in these shootings that make up 1% of the population. And so the question that I have to myself is, you know, how much of it is the radicalization and this ideology and how much of it is also psychiatric medications? And this is kind of what draws me into this, because if you look at the suicide rate in the transgender population, it's high. So suicide attempts are around 50%. The use of psychiatric medications is up by a factor of around four. So this means it's like, you know, it's like 60, 70% of these individuals are not only on psychiatric medications, but maybe on hormone medications, all of which can cause mood instability. And, and we've also seen multiple cases go through the court system where psychiatric drugs have led to violence as well. And so I think we actually have a dangerous cocktail, you know, a dangerous cocktail of medications that can be destabilizing and also many people being sucked into a radicalizing ideology.

Jack Posobiec (23:21)

And so they. I, by the way, you mentioned the trans genocide. It was this false narrative, this, you know, this hoax. It was just a hoax that I remember the media spreading. This was all last year. They were saying it over and over and over. And yet when you tried to actually pick apart the studies, when you tried to actually, you know, just ask questions, what is this? What are you talking about? And they'll. They would talk about sex workers who were transgender that were getting into these high risk situations. Well, wait a minute. That has nothing to do with politics. That is, these are high risk behaviors and high risk lifestyles that have always carried a, a higher degree of, of unfortunately a higher, higher degree of lethality, higher degree of morbidity than we have seen in other, you know, just in, in traditional lifestyles. And that's simply a sad fact. And so I suppose it's, you know, there's something that someone told me, you know, about the LDS community in Utah and specifically the anti. Or I should say ex LDS community, the xlds, and they said something about, you know, there's a lot of people who leave the LDS church and then they run in the opposite direction. And, and so they, they believe that because, you know, they have their disagreements with lds and which, you know, I don't want to get into, and lots of Mormon friends, including a co host for Thought Crime who I'll be on with later tonight and Tyler and, and yet it's that running in the opposite direction. It's, it's a sort of, I suppose it's a form of rebelliousness. But they take it a bit further, don't they?

Dr. Joseph Wuring (24:58)

Yeah. And yeah, so I, I, you know, I actually live in Utah, so I, I, oh, there you go. I know these folks. And, and you're right, you know, we, we constantly see individuals who leave the church. They'll go and they'll, you know, they might start swinging or they may engage in drug use. And so this is obviously like a big over generation.

Jack Posobiec (25:17)

The house, the, the, the Housewives of Utah is a whole series.

Dr. Joseph Wuring (25:22)

Yes. And so I don't think it's surprising that we've actually seen some, the killers come out of Utah. So one Tyler Robinson was from Washington. This is actually where I used to live in Utah. I was down in, I was down in St. George and again, extremely conservative part of the state. And just, I think it was just a year ago and this is kind of a personal anecdote here which is may sound a little bit crazy, but Mia Bailey, who was transgender and actually killed both of her parents and nearly killed her brother and his wife was actually found in my backyard during the manhunt. And so again, I know this sounds insane. We woke up one morning and our house was surrounded by SWAT teams and police. And when you look into this story again, conservative family and then lots of internal problems within the family was reported in the media. And I can't help but wonder, was that also something else when you grow up in a very conservative part of the country and if that's just not for you and that doesn't fit, that might radicalize you into the opposite direction where you do something terrible like, you know, harm your parents or your community if they, if they don't align with.

Jack Posobiec (26:41)

You and what you believe or someone who you believe is a scapegoat for so many of, of your, your own insecurities and resentment. Dr. Joseph, thank you so much for joining us. We've got to get you on by my producer saying, Producer Faz is saying we need this guy on once a week. Where could people go to follow you?

Dr. Joseph Wuring (26:59)

Yeah, so the Dr. Yosef YouTube channel is our biggest on social media platform and that's J, O, S, E, F. So it's the German spelling. And if you're interested in coming off some of these medications, you should check out taperclinic.com and we work in, you know, 15 of the US states. We're covering about 70 of the population, if that's a problem.

Jack Posobiec (27:22)

Thank you so much for joining us and, and even.

Andrew (27:25)

Where's Jack? Where's Jack? Where is he? Jack, I want to see you. Great job, Jack. Thank you. What a job you do. You know, we have an incredible thing. We're always talking about the fake news and the bad, but we have guys and these are the guys who've been getting bullishers.

Jack Posobiec (27:47)

All right, Jack was obic. We are back live here. Human events daily. Real America's voice. Folks, real quick. You know, I've been telling you, pay attention to what's happening. With the dollar debt and central banks we know starting to pile up and when things get rocky. Gold has always been the safe haven. But now we know gold isn't just defensive, it's an offensive asset. It's always around $4,300 an ounce. Gold is breaking all time highs every day and analysts are forecasting that it could go over 5,000. That's why I've been working with my partners at Allegiance Gold for the past three years. Years. They have to protect your savings and retirement with real physical gold and silver, not paper promises. And now Allegiance Gold is making it even better. They'll donate 1% of qualified investments from my audience to Turning Point USA or another great America first organization in addition to the 1% you already qualify for so you can protect your wealth and support the movement at the same time. If you've been waiting for a sign, this is it. Don't overthink it. Don't wait until it's too late. See what's going on with gold today. Call 844-577-7676. That's 844-57776 or visit protectwithposo.com Protect your future and stand with me fighting for America again. 844-57776 protectwithposo.com Very excited to bring on our next guest. D transitioner. My friend Chloe Cole joins us now. Chloe, how are you?

Chloe Cole (29:15)

I'm doing great. How are you doing?

Jack Posobiec (29:16)

I'm well and I. There's a couple of stories I wanted to pick your brain about and we were, you know, sort of tossing this around and I said, oh my gosh, Chloe would be absolutely perfect for this. So it seems that all Of a sudden there's this study that comes out that says, lo and behold, even though we were told that transgenderism was on the rise and it was here to stay, it's now all of a sudden falling with Gen Z. How did this happen?

Chloe Cole (29:42)

I think what the study exposes, and it specifically focuses on the non binary aspect of gender ideology, which is it refers to people who, who identify as transgender, but with neither male nor female. And I think it's. Out of, out of all the aspects of trans ideology, it's the one that is the most fueled by psychosis because at least like male to female individuals and female to male individuals identify with the opposite sex. Right. But there is no such third sex in, in human beings. And what it shows that in recent years, the rates of non binary identification in young people have started to rapidly fall down. And it shows that it's, it's fueled by social contagion. And as it starts to fade out of popularity, less and less young people, and it's primarily young women who are falling into it, are, are identifying with it. And I think it's exemplary of the cultural winds that we, that conservatism is, are starting, are starting to have. But unfortunately, what the study, what isn't shown in the study is that the rates of overall trans identification with either male to female individuals or female to male are still steadily rising. And we still have a ways to go in the culture when it comes to, to eradicating this from our culture, from our, from our court systems and from our institutions, but we have to take the wins where they are at.

Jack Posobiec (31:15)

Well, in addition. So is it possible though, that for people that have been so committed to this and who are refusing to come out of it or perhaps have gone so far that they can't g. Transition as you did, is it possible that then this produces a form of, let's say, cognitive dissonance whereby they feel as though their place in society is slipping away and therefore it turns them, and perhaps people that they are in relationships with towards more and more drastic and extreme measures which could include, say, violence.

Chloe Cole (32:01)

Yes, And I've actually personally seen this in my journey over the last few years as we started to have these, these wins in the culture, in our court systems, and in legislation around this and the protection of children and keeping trans ideology out of our schools and hospital systems. We've also seen this community of people become increasingly desperate and increasingly violent because they're still, I mean, their lives are still, their minds are still entrenched in the dogma around it they legitimately believe that there is a genocide being waged against this group of people. And when you're told that the only way that you can be happy is by being somebody who you're not and being beholden to medicine for the rest of your life and by people taking that away from you, you're having human rights stripped from you. What won't you do in response to it?

Jack Posobiec (32:52)

And so here we are trying to unpack what happened to my friend and yours, Charlie Kirk. And we see this individual, Tyler Robinson, who's now, he's not transitioning himself as far as we know, but he was involved in a relationship with a man who was transitioning. May still be for all we know. I think they have him on ice somewhere. Hopefully the Twigs is cooperating. But this guy comes from a conservative family, LDS family, and yet he finds himself down this rabbit hole of increasingly extreme online behavior and interests, some of which include, and I'm just going to say it, adult themed furry pornography, video games, interactors and simulators of about furries even, which included, as I'm told, includes something called the furry equivalent of child porn, which is cub porn. I mean, how does someone go from, and you know, I know you personally have told your story so many times, but how does someone go from a background like that to ending up in a place where they're mixed with such a toxic environment and ecosystem?

Chloe Cole (34:15)

I mean, to speak from my own experience, well, my mom and dad were raised in the faith and I mean it sounds like Tyler's family was a lot more faith oriented. And even though my mom and dad did not raise me strictly by Christian ideals, eventually as, as I got older, we still had that, that closeness and those values that were influencing the way that they raised me. And even, I think that even Christian and closely tightly knit families and parents in, in their generation were not really prepared for the degeneracy that was going to spill out on the Internet and through our culture. And I don't think there really would have been any way to have predicted that. And so a lot of, a lot of, a lot of parents have been really unequipped to dealing with that and knowing, just understanding what the dangers are on the Internet and even just the fact that there are very ideologically psychotic spaces on the Internet that at first seem to be innocent spaces based around things that most, most children, most teenagers and young people have an interest in. Things like video games they play, things like art or books they read or musicians they listen to. A lot of the communities around these Innocent interests in recent years have also become very spaces for ideological indoctrination of young people. And that personally is what happened to me and people. When people think of the radicalization that happens in left wing spaces online, they often think of transgender people. But what a lot of people don't understand is that transgender ideology is something that radicalizes even people who never become transgender identified because they're being told that there is a, there is a, there is a genocide being waged against trans identified people happening in the United States and that every person has a step in the fight against it and that they should take whatever measures necessary to stop that. And that's why you'll see so many people at LGBT rallies, at trans protests who aren't even trans identified. But they're often people who, like Tyler, are dating somebody who is or they have children of their own who they are indoctrinated.

Jack Posobiec (36:52)

And so this is, this is so interesting because what you're saying is it starts, it can be innocuous, it can be totally innocuous, but it's that feeling of community and then feeling that your community is under threat and that increasing isolation and feeling as though the walls are sort of closing in. And actually I just asked Chloe, when you were going through your journey, did you feel like that, did you feel isolated?

Chloe Cole (37:23)

I definitely did towards the very beginning of my transition. Well, part of it, I think was that I was just in middle school. And when you're different in any way, the kids around you when you're like 12, 13, 14, they're not going to react nicely. But I experienced that even more so as I went through the detransition process. And it's, it's incredibly difficult to go through even more so than initially transitioning because it's like step one of transitioning, except there you're back in reality after living three years of psychosis and there's no off ramp for you. With therapy in the medical system and a lot of, even, even your friends, if you're young, might not really even know how to respond.

Jack Posobiec (38:03)

Right. They think there's something they celebrated the first part, but they don't celebrate the second part. Chloe, we're up on a heartbreak. Hold that thought. I want to get back to this. This is very, very instructive for those of us that are trying to understand, just trying to understand. Jack Rusic. Right back. Human Events Daily Ro Mars.

Andrew (38:25)

Jack is a great guy. He's written a fantastic book. Everybody's talking about it. Go get it. And he's been my friend right from the beginning of this whole beautiful event and we're going to turn it around and make our country great again.

Jack Posobiec (38:38)

Amen. All right, Jack, Pacific back Human Events Daily. Real America's Voice final segment by the way, a little bit of a show announcement programming note. So tonight the big debate in New York City. We've got Mamdani, we've got Cuomo, we've got Sliwa. It's actually Sleeva but in Sliwa, in, in English at least. So we are going to be in lieu of thought crime tonight we are going to be doing and a debate live stream the Mandami nomics live stream myself. We're going to have Andrew and Tyler, we're going to have Mikey McCoy and we are even going to have the great Cliff Maloney. So we're going to be talking about that. We're also be talking about the elections coming up. New Jersey where there's a big event turning point action event this Sunday in northern New Jersey. So check that out with Jack Cittarelli. And then also of course the election in Virginia where we've got this psycho running for attorney general. So stay tuned for that big, big election night live stream this evening in the Thought crime hour, folks. What if those who were once called conspiracy theorists turn out to be right again? Well, a new study by Korean doctors claimed that Covid vaccines raise the risk of six cancers including lung, breast and prostate. Researchers analyzed health records and found that more than 8.4 million adults between 2021 and 2023. And their findings were published in Biomarker Research, a respected scientific journal. Now, critics of course dismiss this, but the data raises concern that spike protein exposure may be tied to long term health risks. Dr. Peter McCullough has been aware of this since 2020, which is why he collaborated with the Wellness company to create ultimate spike detox. Designed to help your body clear spike proteins, reduce inflammation and support heart health with natural ingredients like antigonase, dandelion root and bromelain. It is your daily proactive defense against a man made virus. Don't wait until symptoms strike or something unexpected happens. Experience the only formula approved and used by Dr. Peter McCullough, one of the top doctors who risks it all. It's ultimate spike detox. By the way, I take it myself. Head to TWC Health POSO and use promo code POSO to get 10% off plus free shipping. Again, that's TWC Health slash POSO and use promo code poso to get 10% off. Get back to that pre Covid feeling. All right, we're on with D. Transitioner Chloe Cole. And, Chloe, you were just. I apologize for the gratuitous capitalism break there that we had to take. But, hey, what can I say? Socialism sucks, and we had to run some ads. But the. The point you were talking about in. In your story regarding detransitioning, the isolation, the fact that it feels like society is suddenly against you. Right. For choosing to walk away from this. You know, I think what. What everyone can understand is certainly extreme life choices that also led you to feel isolated, hopefully before, you know, before you met with Turning Point USA and started coming and speaking at events where we all really appreciate and absolutely love what you've done.

Chloe Cole (41:49)

Yeah. Thank you so much. I mean, Turning Point has been. I mean, working with you guys has been a great part of my healing and just getting my voice out there and exposing this ideology for what it is and the ways that it abuses children and our young people in our culture and directly in our hospital systems. And whereas this community of people, and really leftism, radical leftism as a whole, celebrates the destruction of these people as they go further into the transition process. The moment that you realize it was all a lie, it was all a scam, that you regret every single part of it and that you want to go back, they turn their backs on you. They treat you like you're garbage. You're ousted from this community of people who essentially used to serve as for many a second family, very, very close friends and people who we. We were once close with in our lives. And even our doctors turn their backs on us and tell us either that our experiences are insignificant or that they're. That we should try to continue transitioning instead and go in the opposite direction. And many of them just don't even know what to do with us because there is. There are no standards of care for those who stop their transition. There are no codes for them to even bill for. So there's just no off ramp for people to stop their transition. And in a lot of the recent detention, activism, detransitioners have spoken about the dangers of transitioning and the pain of not only going through the process, but also of coming out of it. And transgender young people see that, and they think, well, if that's how miserable trying to come out of transitioning is, why don't. Why. Why would I ever have any reason to come out of my comfortable little bubble of living this. This lifestyle every day? And I think in order to combat that, we also have to talk about the healing that detransitioning brings, and especially in recent years, as more awareness has been, has been, has been, has been given to it and help these people to understand that no, you were never born in the wrong body and they're never, it's never too late to go back. And you can find glory, you can find healing and something outside of yourself. And your identity does not come from what you believe about yourself or what you call yourself, or the way that you present yourself, or what drugs you take. It comes from our creation and God.

Jack Posobiec (44:19)

That's so absolutely profound. And it really is a question of identity. When it comes down to it, it comes down to a question of who am I? And then starting to resent who that that person is. And we all have an identity. And then rather than accepting it and accepting that it's what God gave us, it's, it's lashing out at that identity, lashing out at God, lashing out at perhaps our own choices in the past, and trying to put on an identity that's just completely impossible. And shouldn't surprise us then that it leads to, in some very tragic and horrible cases, these psychotic breaks. And we've seen school shooting after school shooting. There was a school shooting at a Catholic school in Minneapolis, Minnesota, just a couple of days before Charlie Kirk was shot and killed. And when he was shot and killed, that. And I was actually sitting right in this chair right here when that happened on September 10th. And of course I hoped very much that it was false, that it wasn't true. Ended up not being that case. And there was a profile, though. There was a profile that arose. And I think in a lot of people's minds that there may be a transgender connection to this. And lo and behold, that's exactly what it was. There was a man involved with a transgender lover who was up on that roof and allegedly is the one who pulled the trigger to kill Charlie Kirk. He's now on trial, he's now on death penalty, has been has been sought after, is being sought after. And in fact, he's hiring. He's got, I think about a million dollars in public defenses to public defense funding. And so he's hired a lot of people who have been involved in high profile cases before this one, this one lawyer who defended the Menendez brothers, another also defended the Olympic bomber who are also facing the death penalty. So it's going to be huge. It's going to be a huge thing. And Chloe, do you think that as we unpack more details about the personal life here, that perhaps Some of the things that come out might be a little familiar to you, given what you went through.

Chloe Cole (46:35)

I think so. I really wonder just what we're going to see coming out of this case. But one thing that I do know is that this is a community of people who are deeply, spiritually and psychologically and emotionally broken. And they're acting out because of that. Even even though Tyler himself wasn't trans identified, many, many people within these radical left wing spaces are people who are. Are still struggling. They're trying to find some identity and many of them find that through what they think is activism, but ultimately turns out to be radical acts of violence. They are. So they're suffering. And I think going forward in our culture, that's exactly why we need to continue the discussions around this. I think that Charlie put it best when we stop having these conversations. That's when the violence begins. And this violence has been hap. Has been escalating over the years as the, as the left has been panicking. They're panicking because they've tried to stifle the voices of Christians, of conservatives for so long. But their lies are being exposed in the sunlight.

Jack Posobiec (47:54)

And that's all slipping away that we are bringing. It's all slipping away. Thank you so much.

Chloe Cole (47:59)

Continue to fight until the very end.

Jack Posobiec (48:00)

Amen. Thank you so much. Where can people follow you?

Chloe Cole (48:03)

I am on X as well as Instagram and I have a YouTube channel as well at Sh Cole C H O O O C O L E God bless Chloe.

Jack Posobiec (48:11)

Come back soon. I want to unpack more and more of this. We're right. We're out of time. Ladies and gentlemen. See you later. Ladies and gentlemen, as always, you have my permission to lay a short.