XI JINPING THREATENS UNITED STATES WITH WAR OVER TAIWAN

Summary

Human Events Daily with Jack Posobiec: “XI JINPING THREATENS UNITED STATES WITH WAR OVER TAIWAN”

Date: May 14, 2026
Theme: Analyzing Xi Jinping’s unprecedented direct threat of war with the US over Taiwan, US-China relations under Trump, Chinese influence campaigns in America, and the vital significance of Taiwan—featuring firsthand perspectives from China and Taiwan experts.

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Episode Overview

Jack Posobiec delivers an urgent breakdown of the latest US-China development: Chinese leader Xi Jinping’s open threat of conflict with the US should America not “handle properly” the Taiwan issue. This episode explores the meaning and risk behind Xi’s rhetoric, the rising pressure points between Washington and Beijing, and the broader context of Chinese influence both domestically and globally. Interviews with former DHS official Katie Zachariah (China specialist) and Paula Scanlon (American of Taiwanese descent) add depth and firsthand insight.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Xi Jinping’s Escalatory Threat to the US Over Taiwan

[02:39–07:14]

• Xi Jinping delivers a blunt warning to President Trump, framing Taiwan as China’s top “core” issue and threatening outright conflict if the US mismanages the situation.
  • Direct quote (reported by Chinese state media):
    “The Taiwan question is the most important issue in China. US Relations.”
  • Jack notes the unprecedented directness and severity of Xi’s language:

    "This is the most escalatory language we've ever seen from a Chinese leader ... This wasn't a passing reference. This was in the president's face, called him a fading power." – Jack Posobiec [03:09]

• Reference to the Thucydides Trap:
  • Xi is openly comparing the US to Sparta (a fading hegemon) and China to Athens (a rising power), alluding to historical inevitability of conflict between rising and declining global powers.
• Discussion of BRICS meeting in India at the same time, exclusion of Western CEOs from the main meeting, and Xi’s clear prioritization of power over commerce.

  • “When it comes down to power versus money, power always wins.” – Jack Posobiec [05:23]

• The issue of advanced chips from Nvidia going to China and questions around Trump’s leverage—“What other leverage does President Trump have when it comes to China?”
• Tariffs, arms sales, and a sharp warning that this is not a period of US-China decoupling.

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2. Chinese ‘Soft Invasion’ and Influence Campaigns in the US

[10:13–18:54]

• Interview with Katie Zachariah, former DHS official and China specialist, who lived in Beijing during the transition from Hu Jintao to Xi Jinping:
  • She describes real-time experience of China’s closing to Western influence and a reversal to more hardline, Mao-era attitudes under Xi.
  • Xi is “not mincing words” about reuniting Taiwan, and is speaking to Trump as a peer, which Katie calls “historic.”

    "Xi Jinping knows that this isn't Biden, this isn't Obama ... President Trump is someone he needs to deal with in a direct way and in a forceful way." – Katie Zachariah [12:39]

• The growing influence of China in California:
  • Discussion of mayors and politicians (e.g., former Mayor Eileen Wong) acting as alleged Chinese agents, “peddling communist propaganda” in US communities.
  • Soft power via real estate: “People who've grown up in California can no longer buy homes in Palo Alto because [foreign nationals] have purchased so much real estate… This is what they did to Canada and Australia as well.”
• Jack links China’s tactics to the globalist “soft invasion,” warning of subcultures forming within US borders and the potential for demographic and political shifts that undermine assimilation.

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3. COVID-19 Accountability and Chinese Leverage

[19:17–26:25]

• Jack questions why the CCP has never been held accountable for COVID-19, referencing investigations by Rand Paul and indictments around Fauci’s advisors.
  • He labels China’s pandemic response and cover-up a “global Chernobyl.”
• Katie Zachariah frames the pandemic as a tool that indirectly led to Trump’s temporary ouster:

  "We lost the 2020 election—or it was stolen from us ... because of COVID-19." – Katie Zachariah [22:31]

  • She argues China used the pandemic-window to expand its military and nuclear capacity.
  • Calls for greater accountability of Fauci, the WHO, and expansion of election transparency, referencing Robert Kennedy Jr.’s “The Real Anthony Fauci.”

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4. Why Taiwan Matters – From Both Strategic and Personal Angles

[28:53–44:46]

• Paula Scanlon, Taiwanese-American and senior fellow at American Principles Project, shares first-person perspective:
  • Concern over Democratic officials allegedly ‘in bed’ with the CCP—both literally and figuratively—contributing to China’s sense of leverage.
  • The identity debate: While the PRC claims Taiwan as a renegade province, Paula insists:

    “It’s a very different country than China... Taiwan is a very prosperous country that has democracy.” – Paula Scanlon [31:45]

  • Taiwan’s voting systems held up as models of transparency and efficiency compared to US processes.
  • Deep family-rooted distrust of the CCP: Paula’s grandmother forbids family trips to China on pain of being disinherited.
  • Culturally, Paula says, Taiwan feels closer to Japan in its openness, democracy, and lack of pollution (compared to Jack’s descriptions of Shanghai/Beijing).
• Jack connects Taiwan’s historic ties (Sino-Japanese wars, colonial periods) and outsized strategic value as the lynchpin of Asian shipping routes, chip manufacturing (TSMC), and as a “natural aircraft carrier.”
• Hong Kong’s fate is used as a dire warning about what Chinese “reunification” would mean for Taiwan:

  “The idea that Taiwan could be entered into the fold without any changes to the system is laughable. We can see what they've done in Hong Kong.” – Jack Posobiec [41:56]

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5. Fear, Freedom, and Taking American Rights for Granted

[43:23–46:42]

• Paula underscores her gratitude for American rights, warning that dissent like hers would be impossible in China.

  “If I did this interview in China, you probably would never see me again.” – Paula Scanlon [43:23]

• She frames her political activism as rooted in her family's fight for democracy in Taiwan and a determination to defend American freedom against creeping authoritarianism and censorship.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Jack Posobiec on Xi’s threat:
  “This is the most striking I’ve ever heard a Chinese leader speak directly to a US President, period. Full stop.” [03:09]

• Katie Zachariah on the change under Xi:
  “Xi Jinping knows… President Trump is someone he needs to deal with in a direct way and in a forceful way.” [12:39]

• Katie Zachariah on soft invasion:
  “I don't mean an invasion militarily. I mean of people that are not assimilating to the United States… It’s what they did to Canada.” [15:21]

• Paula Scanlon on Taiwan’s democracy:
  “Taiwan is a very prosperous country that has democracy. My grandfather was one of the people that fought for us to be able to have elections… It is distinct from China. It’s a separate country.” [31:45]

• Paula Scanlon on US freedoms:
  “If I did this interview in China, you probably would never see me again. I'm grateful we have freedom of speech in this country, and that’s something we fight for with our values.” [43:23]

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Important Timestamps/Segments

• [02:39] – Jack summarizes Xi Jinping’s direct warning to Trump and the United States
• [03:09] – “Most escalatory language” Jack’s ever heard from a Chinese leader
• [10:13] – Katie Zachariah: On changes in China under Xi and Taiwanese issue
• [15:21] – The “soft invasion” via real estate and assimilation concerns
• [19:17] – Jack pivots to COVID-19’s consequences and Chinese accountability
• [22:31] – Katie frames COVID-19 as pivotal to 2020 election outcome
• [28:53] – Paula Scanlon joins as a Taiwanese-American expert
• [31:45] – Paula: Taiwan as a unique, democratic nation
• [41:56] – Hong Kong’s fate as a warning for Taiwan
• [43:23] – Paula: Why US freedom and the right to dissent must be protected

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Tone & Style

The episode maintains Jack Posobiec’s signature style: direct, strident, and unapologetically pointed. The guests contribute with informed, personal, and sometimes urgent perspectives. The discussion moves briskly between geopolitics, identity, and on-the-ground realities, with sharp focus on what they see as the dangers of Chinese influence—both overt and subtle.

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Summary Takeaway

This urgent episode sounds the alarm on Xi Jinping’s direct war threats over Taiwan, warning of a potentially historic inflection point in US-China relations. Through expert and personal testimony, it paints Taiwan as vital not just strategically but philosophically, a democratic outpost threatened by authoritarian encroachment, while also calling attention to the risks of Chinese influence within the United States itself. The discussion underscores a central thesis: vigilance and strength are needed, both to defend American values at home and to keep authoritarian rivalries from tipping into open conflict abroad.

Transcript

[Jack Posobiec]

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[Paula Scanlon]

A commentator, international social media sensation, and former Navy intelligence veteran. This is Human Events with your host, Jack Posobic.

[Jack Posobiec]

Christ is king.

[Unknown Announcer/Host]

Well, thank you very much. This is a great honor. It was a fantastic day. And in particular, I want to thank President Xi, my friend, for this magnificent welcome. And it really was a magnificent welcome like none other.

[Xi Jinping]

The 250th anniversary of American independence. The over 300 million American people are reinvigorating the spirit of patriotism, innovation and enterprise and ushering in a new journey for the development of the United States. The people of China and the United States are both great peoples, achieving the great rejuvenation of the Chinese nation and making America great again.

[Unknown Chinese Official]

China and the United States both stand to gain from cooperation and lose from confrontation. We should be partners, not rivals. We should help each other succeed and prosper together and find the right way for major countries to get along well with each other in the new era.

[Unknown Narrator/Commentator]

The world has come to another crossroads. Can China and the United States overcome the so called Thucydides trap and create a new paradigm of major country relations. Can we meet global challenges together and provide greater stability for the world?

[Jack Posobiec]

But Chinese state media reports that Xi also issued a warning to President Trump over Beijing's top issue, Taiwan, saying the two nations will clash if the territory is not, quote, handled properly. That the Taiwan question is the most important issue in China. US Relations. Talk to me about that moment when that was.

[Xi Jinping]

Well, they certainly feel that way and they always raise that issue and we understand they raise that issue. From our perspective, any forced change in the status quo and the situation that's there now would be bad for both countries.

[Jack Posobiec]

Well, ladies and gentlemen, welcome aboard today's edition of Human Events Daily. We're here live on Real America's voice. Today is May 14, 2026 Anno Domini. Yesterday we interviewed the ambassador to Taiwan here on this program and little did we know just A few hours after that interview, where he talked about maintaining the status quo on Taiwan, where he thanked President Trump for maintaining the arms sales and the commitments to Taiwan, that when President Trump would meet with Xi Jinping, that Xi would openly threaten the United States with war over Taiwan, the island nation. And let me be blunt, folks. This is the most striking I've ever heard a Chinese leader speak directly to a US President, period. Full stop. This is the most escalatory language we've ever seen from a Chinese leader. Again, directly while the President of the United States is in the room before him. The reference to the Thucydides trap, the Peloponnesian Wars, Sparta, Athens, the rising power versus the fading power. Xi Jinping is saying that America is the fading hegemon and that they are the power on the rise. What have we talked about here for months, for years? The rise of BRICS multipolarity. The BRICS foreign ministers are now holding a meeting today in New Delhi, down in India. Who's with them? The Iranian foreign minister and all the CEOs. President Trump brought them over. She tossed them. He tossed them out of the room at the very top of the meeting. They were the first people, the very first people who left while Trump and Xi and the political delegations came in. You know why? It's really simple. Because when it comes down to power versus money, power always wins. Xi Jinping looks at the merchants as just that. They're the merchants, they're not the ones in charge. That's how China is run. That's how Russia is run. These are the, the land empires. These are the empires of the world island. And America has come over and, yes, seeking help on Iran. Xi Jinping saying very clearly, you want help. We want Taiwan and we also want your most advanced chips from Jensen Huang and Nvidia at the same time. And we. And it was just announced that they are getting those chips. So the question remains, what else are they getting? What other leverage does President Trump have when it comes to China? This is not decoupling. This is not the reshoring. This is not what we saw in the first administration. We also have the question of tariffs, and President Trump can ratchet those up anytime he wants. But honestly, when you look at the way that Xi Jinping was speaking, this wasn't a passing reference. This was in the president's face, called him a fading power. Not just President Trump, but the entire American nation. Will the Thucydides trap be avoided? Well, we certainly hope that it is. But at the same time, we Also don't want to see China become the hegemon of the world. And that's exactly what they are working to become. Zhongguo, the Central Kingdom. Right back, Jack Posobic. Katie Zachariah joins us next.

[Unknown Announcer/Host]

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[Paula Scanlon]

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[Jack Posobiec]

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[Katie Zachariah]

I'm excellent. Out here in California, which feels like China sometimes, Jack.

[Jack Posobiec]

That's why they call it China Fornia. That's why they, that's why they refer to that. Especially your, your illustrious governor having the, the last, if I remember, of Xi Jinping when he arrived in San Francisco.

[Katie Zachariah]

Yes, he cleaned up the streets just for Xi Jinping, but not for us tax paying citizens of California, Jack.

[Jack Posobiec]

Funny how that works. Well, you know, you know, they say you have to make the place look up nice when the real boss is coming.

[Katie Zachariah]

That's right, exactly. We also have a mayor out here in Arcadia who has been peddling CCP information at the expense of our taxpayers too. So we're, we're fresh in the throes of China here in the United States, Jack. I'm sure you feel it out there as well.

[Jack Posobiec]

Well, there's no question. Katie, I wanted to ask you, you know, you're someone who's been focused on China. You spent three years living and working there. And for me it was the, this language, this blunt direct language. That's not what we heard from the technocrat leaders like Hu Jintao, jiang Zemin, the 90s, the 2000s. This to me seems to represent a totally new stake with Xi Jinping. I wondered what your reaction was.

[Katie Zachariah]

Well, I, huge intel as I live there during the change of power from huge intao to Xi Jinping and the under who Jintao, I'm sure you're familiar with, was such a much more welcoming to Westerner approach, Western business. As Xi Jinping came in and took over, I felt the shift literally in real time and this kind of closing down of China to Western influence, to Western investment and to foreigners in general. And so what I'm, what I'm really interested in though is, is the Chinese and, and, and, and Xi Jinping really stands at this pinnacle point, basically backtracking all the way to Mao. They want to retake Taiwan. This and, and he's not mincing words any longer that the point of Xi Jinping is to continue on the, the imperial dynasty of China. And what is that? What does that actually look like? That looks like taking back Taiwan, which they believe is rightfully theirs. And, and I think what we're seeing is Xi Jinping knows that this isn't Biden, that this isn't Obama, that this is someone President Trump is someone he needs to deal with in a direct way and in a forceful way, because President Trump deals with him that way as well. And they're very respectful, as you observed, to each other on the outside, but they're also not going to be mincing words behind closed doors. And Xi Jinping has made it clear. But I also think President Trump will make it clear that China is still very much reliant on the United States. And in many ways there is symbiosis. But just going and visiting China, one can see that they are still very much a third world country and where we are not. And so I think that this power play is going to be very interesting. But I'm sure you feel the same gratitude watching President Trump deal with Xi Jinping. And actually you have these two world superpowers contending on the world stage together, rather than what we've seen with Obama and what we saw with Biden. This kind of China, it has the major upper hand where the United States just kind of succumbed to China and Biden didn't even ever go visit Xi Jinping in China. But to see President Trump's strength, Jack, is really historic. We haven't seen that kind of strength against China before, at least in recent history. And it's really nice to witness this. It's why we voted for him in 2024.

[Jack Posobiec]

Well, that's exactly right. And I think that of course, President Trump and you look before he became President 2016, on the campaign trail, he was the only major figure in American modern history who called out the People's Republic of China for what they were doing. He's the only one who called them out and what they were doing to undercut our jobs, to undercut our workers, to to work hand in glove with members of the U.S. chamber of Commerce, to ship our jobs over to China. That's the reason that the investment Shenzhen and Chongqing and the Three Gorges Dam and Shanghai looks in Lujiazui and everything and Pudong looks the way that it does because that's our money, that's our wealth that was extricated from the United States and planted over there in a system that they called globalism. They told us that it was going to make China a democracy and more Westernized, but in fact, it's been quite the opposite. And you just outlined about California. In fact, we have become more like them in the intervening 26 years or so.

[Katie Zachariah]

Yes, Absolutely. What you see, for instance, this Mayor Eileen Wong, who resigned and has been charged with being a foreign agent for Beijing, peddling communist propaganda to the people of not just Arcadia, but San Gabriel Valley and the larger Chinese community throughout California. What we've seen is kind of soft invasion. And I don't mean an invasion militarily. I mean of people that are not assimilating to the United States.

[Paula Scanlon]

Right.

[Katie Zachariah]

They come and they create their own subculture. So San Gabriel Valley has now become what I call Little Beijing. And I traveled out there to go get local Chinese food, not the Americanized version. I wanted the good noodles and the.

[Jack Posobiec]

I know what you mean. I know exactly. I know exactly what you mean. Having lived in China is people. People don't realize that fortune cookies aren't. Don't exist in China. General Sal's Chicken doesn't exist in China. Even. Even the egg rolls are kind of like the whole egg roll thing that we have is much more American than the Chinese version. So I know exactly what you're talking about.

[Katie Zachariah]

Fresh noodles. The Chinese, local Chinese food is actually, as you know, extremely delicious and very spicy, especially in different regions. But for me in California, to go out to San Gabriel Valley and. And to really not recognize it, what it used to be 20 years ago, I'm a native Californian. That place is unrecognizable. Every mall, every shop, it feels like living in Beijing. And I mean that literally. You go into a mall, it has that stale kind of different air. They don't have. They don't like air conditioning in China that. That much as you know. And so it has that stale air in San Gabriel Valley, in these malls. So what. What it feels like is small Beijing, a little Beijing. But this is not just in San Gabriel Valley, Jack. Palo Alto, California. A lot of people cannot buy homes in Palo Alto because the Chinese have purchased so much real estate so they can send their children to Stanford, that they don't actually live in these homes in Palo Alto. They own the homes, have the resident address, and then send their kids to Stanford. And so people who've grown up in California can no longer buy homes in Palo Alto because there is no more or very little available real estate. And so all the prices are driven all the way up. So this is a huge systemic problem through the United States. It's not just California. It's farmland. It's. It's literally any state you go into. You can find these little niches and pockets, and it's what they did to Canada. And I think they're soft taking over the United States if we're not careful.

[Jack Posobiec]

I'm not trying to wait, Katie. So you're, you're, you're getting, you're getting ahead of my talking points here because I was exactly going to say that this is just what they did to Canada and in fact, it's what they did to Australia as well, because this is what they do. They go in and they begin buying up property. They then begin, they use the money to, by the way, Eric Swalwell, when Eric Swalwell was initially approached in a Chinese intelligence operation, that's when he was still a local politician. He was on his way up. That's how they get you.

[Katie Zachariah]

It's how they get you. And it's quiet. It's, it's, it's that, it's this unassuming. They're, they're using the Amer, the broken immigration system in the United States. I'm going to go back to Eileen, Juan, this mayor, she lived here for 30 years. Jack, why didn't we have a system that was evaluating the fact that she's a lawful permanent resident? Then she gives birth to, to two sons that are now birthright citizens in the United States based on our birthright citizenship laws. And yet she's still a foreign agent for the People's Republic of China. And so she became mayor, had children and somehow went unaccounted for in our immigration system. And nobody went and checked on her green card status. She got endorsements from sitting congresswoman. She has pictures with our attorney general of California. Jack, what is the problem here when our entire political system has basically allowed this to exist and not held her accountable?

[Jack Posobiec]

This is a massive, massive problem. Katie Zachariah, former Trump DHS official, on with us talking China will be right back here at Human Events Daily.

[Unknown Announcer/Host]

You talk about influencers. These are influencers and they're friends of mine. Jackson, where's Jack? He's got a great job.

[Jack Posobiec]

All right, Jack. Pacific back here, Human Events Daily, Real America's Voice. You know, there's something that I wanted to talk about in relation to China that I just feel like nobody seems to be bringing up. But that is the fact of COVID 19 and you know, we need to dig into that a little bit more and we need to figure it out. And so just in one moment, I want to dig into that, folks, real quick. I just want to say, though, that fluoride, the American government, we know, has been medica and state governments and local governments medicating your water with it for over 80 years. Not because you asked for it, not because you voted for it, because they decided you needed it. Well, that's not a decision that I want someone else making for my family, which is why I filter every drop of water in my home with COVID pure. Over 209 million Americans are on fluoride of water right now. And here's what the science actually shows. In September 2024, a federal judge ruled that adding fluoride to water poses, and I'm quoting the court directly, an unreasonable risk to neurological health. Not a fringe study. A federal court ordering the EPA to act. Then in January 2025, a study published by JAMA Pediatrics, one of the most respected medical journals in the world, confirmed a link between fluoride exposure and children's IQ scores. The higher the exposure, the lower the iq. Sure, some states are moving on this. Utah, Florida have banned it. But that process takes years. Your kids, your family, they're drinking this water today. You need something that works now. And that is exactly what Cove Pure is. Clear wave reverse osmosis technology is certified to remove up to 99.9% of contaminants. Fluoride, PFAS, lead, pharmaceuticals, heavy metals. Anything that isn't water gets filtered out. So don't wait for the government to catch up. Go and get yourself a Cove Pure. Use our link co pure.com/postal. You'll get $250 off that. C O V E P U R E.com/post. So, and I just got to say with my kids, we got literally going on right now, they go for the COVID Pure. They love it. I've said before, they call it super water. I don't know why I started saying that. I said, well, this is super water here, guys. You're going to love this. We have a different tap for it. They beg us for super water. They say, I don't want, you know, sodas and juices. In other words, I want that super water. I said, guys, go for it. They can'. Get enough of it. I may have also told them that if they drink it, they'll get taller every night. Just saying, hey, whatever works, right? You got to be a parent. But, but seriously, folks, I want to get back to China here and talking about COVID 19. The fact of the matter is that China has never been held accountable. We see Rand Paul come out with a whistleblower. We found out that Foushee was, and it's been confirmed. His adviser, by the way, has been indicted over these emails. He covered up the illegal Experiments that he was doing in China. China is responsible for the modern Chernobyl on a massive global scale. A global Chernobyl. And yet no one holds the CCP accountable for this. Katie Zachariah, this is something that you out in California experienced more than almost any other state in the nation. Why is it that we seem to not want to hold China accountable for Covid?

[Katie Zachariah]

It is actually mind baffling and it's nice to see right now Rand Paul, Ron Johnson, Senator Mike Lee, a lot of these senators are bringing this back to the surface. Why we have to get to the bottom of COVID 19. Not just because of the pandemic, Jack. But we lost the 2020 election. We lost the election or it was stolen from us is the better words to use because of COVID 19. And we all know what happened. We saw the mail in ballot search, we saw the terror. We saw the basement campaign that Joe Biden won, quote. And we also saw a president, President Trump lose the ability to fight the war for us against China for four years. And I think this really gets to the heart of it. This was not just an accident. This was intentional. China gained massive nuclear capabilities in terms of nuclear power, built nuclear power plants, absolutely Went crazy on their Navy yards building naval ships and warships. And in this whole period of time while we sat under Joe Biden and he did nothing except sunbathe on the beaches of Delaware and President Trump had to fight off the weaponized lawfare system for four years and and then retake the White House thanks to amazing patriots like yourself and Turning Point and the rest of the people who came out against this. But Jack, if you get to the bottom of COVID you also get to the bottom of the stolen 2020 election.

[Jack Posobiec]

No, that's exactly right. And President Trump only and the entire country had to go through that because of China. You can draw a line, a direct line all the way back from that night in 2020 directly back to where the Wuhan lab, not the wet market note, the Wuhan lab and the illegal gain of function experiments that we now know that Dr. Fauci signed off on. Peter Daschak signed off on Ethis ecohealth Alliance nonsense. He knew and he was covering up what he did. But he was working hand in glove with the Chinese Communist Party because those experiments are illegal in the United States. He knew what he did. The Chinese knew what was going on. Now maybe they lied to him about the leak, we don't know exactly on that. But it still strikes me that we just haven't gotten the level of information, the level of investigation actually into what happened there. And any real accountability for the ccp.

[Katie Zachariah]

And where I read the real Anthony Foushee by Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. And that life and, and everyone should read that book. And it talks about COVID it talks about Anthony Fauci, it talks about the corrupt World Health Organization, which we have rightfully pulled out of. And, and this is where I think the president stands to gain momentum on exposure, accountability, not just redemptive, as I said before, for the lie and the, and the false narrative that Covid destroyed lives. Covid literally took lives because of the lies that were spread, but it also spread the lie about our election, Jack. And just exactly to your point, we have to reclaim this narrative for the sake of history, for the sake of the legacy of President Trump, but also on accountability. And Dr. Anthony Fauci is the chief person who should be held responsible. And Senator Rand Paul has made it his career mission to make sure this guy is held accountable. I'm just not sure why we're not seeing more of this, especially as we're looking into Fulton county election rigging systems. And across the country, President Trump and even Chief of staff Susie Weil said the other day at a conference that we will start finding out that President Trump won a lot of these swing districts that in 2020 that we were all aware of that were stolen from us.

[Jack Posobiec]

And I think we knew that. Katie Zachariah, where can people go to follow you?

[Katie Zachariah]

Katie Zachariah on X, LinkedIn and Truth Social.

[Jack Posobiec]

All right, folks, make sure to give her a follow. If you know, if you want to know what's going to be news next week, go give Katie a follow. And of course, that's why you watch Human Events Daily to begin with. We'll be right back with more here on the great real America's Voice.

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[Jack Posobiec]

All right, Jack Paso, Beck. We're back live, Human Events Daily. And you're looking at an image. I think that's a live shot, potential live shot of Shanghai, China. You can see the other is a live shot, right? Because it's night there about 2, 235 in the morning over in Shanghai right now. And you can see the smog. The smog is so thick that you can't even see the tops of the buildings. I used to tell people. So I lived in Shanghai about two years and you know, a nice day on Shanghai, in Shanghai you would get like, you know, the sky would be a nice apocalyptic orange. So, you know, it's either cloudy and smoggy or, yeah, just like an orange sky. And Beijing, I noticed, was very, very much cleaned up for the president's visit. But you go and look at some of these other cities of China, even concurrent with what's going on, and you can see Shanghai right there just being totally, totally smog filled. And by the way, Shanghai isn't even considered to be one of the industrial cities of China. So it just goes to like, like all that stuff that you hear about pollution in the United States and, and the environment and how we need to keep it and of course we do, but I never actually experienced that until I got to China and said, okay, yeah, this is actual pollution. This is a real problem. And there are people, there are stories of, you know, Chinese students who had, I knew some Chinese students who would come to the United States who had psoriasis and then come to the US and it just clears up like that because the air is just so bad. I wanted to bring on, though, a good friend of the program and someone who herself is, is actually Taiwanese. Paula Scanlon joins us once again. What's up, Paula?

[Paula Scanlon]

Hey, it's good to be back on.

[Jack Posobiec]

Yeah, so we don't, we don't usually bring you up for, you know, the whole, like, we need, we need our token person here. But you know, I said, you know, we have someone who's such a good friend who actually is Taiwanese that we should actually get you on and get your take on this meeting with Xi Jinping and particularly the language that he used with the, the issue of Taiwan. We had the Taiwanese ambassador on yesterday. He was praising President Trump for sticking to the status quo. Then President Trump sits down with Xi Jinping. And to my mind, hearing some of the most aggressive language I've ever heard from a Chinese leader on the question of Taiwan.

[Paula Scanlon]

Yeah, you know, it's a really interesting time, especially with all of these stories coming out about government officials, particularly Democrat government officials being bought and paid for by the ccp. And there are people who are inside America that have been giving China leverage on us in negotiations. And we can't ignore the fact that all of this has come out. We don't know what the Chinese government has been given about us in America, about American citizens. It's it's incredibly frightening. And I think that's sort of why he feels like he can speak to us so strongly, why he feels like he has leverage over Trump in this negotiation. Trump is an amazing negotiator, and I wouldn't want to. To anyone else really doing that and negotiating on behalf of this country, America, but also on behalf of best global interests. And so it's definitely questions going on here. There's a lot to be concerned about. And I think, again, there are people in the United States of America that have actively working against America's best interests by being in bed with the ccp, literally and figuratively.

[Jack Posobiec]

No, there's. There's no question. There's. There's none whatsoever. And for people to understand this, Taiwan is an island of 23 million people. It is vastly dwarfed by the population of mainland China. And it really is kind of an interesting question because obviously Taiwan has cultural ties with China. The spoken language is the same, it's Mandarin across both sides. And so there's, there's family that's across the strait, Fujian and other parts of, of China. But at the same time, the biggest split has always been the political difference is Hong Kong and Taiwan. And Macau had never gone communist. They were spared the communist revolution. Now Macau and Hong Kong have been. Were handed back very stupidly, I would always say, given back to China. One by the British, one by the Portuguese. Whereas Taiwan has been the sole remaining handout. If I could ask. And obviously, you know, you're an American, but when you, when you talk to family members about this and the rest of the. Do. Do Taiwanese view themselves as a separate country than China, or is it complicated the way I'm kind of laying out?

[Paula Scanlon]

Well, in my family, we certainly view ourselves as a separate country. I mean, my ancestry is actually from people who are on the mainland. I mean, never on the mainland and always on the island of Taiwan. So that's something where I'm different from maybe some of the people who came over and immigrated. But the truth is, is it's a very different country than China. And a lot of people don't see that China has a communist leader. There's a lot of people who don't have rights. There's limited access to the Internet. There's all sorts of human rights violations. Leftists love to talk about that that goes on in China. Taiwan is a very prosperous country that has democracy. My grandfather was one of the people that fought for us to be able to have elections. I'm not sure if you remember a little Bit ago on online, people were raving about how good the Taiwanese voting process was that people could watch the counting of ballots, saying, we need that in the United States of America. We have a great democracy over in Taiwan. But it's something a lot of people don't see and a lot of people don't consider, and they just say it's a small island, no one really cares. But it is distinct from China. It's a separate country. It has elected officials, and culturally, it's different. And economically, to the world, it's different. And it's very valuable in its location and the access to the strait. I mean, there's so many things. Obviously, I'm speaking from a place of it being a personal connection, and I. And I hope to see other people see that and again, understand that this is not a country that's under communist rule, but a country that is unique and individual and independent, and the people there have an identity that is different than those in China.

[Jack Posobiec]

Yeah, that's right. Folks, I remember when I had first met you, and we were talking about. About China, and I said, wow, so you're indigenous Taiwanese? Because that. That even now, is still a minority on the island itself. And I've been there. I've only been to Taiwan once. I've always wanted to. To go back, but I just remember it being a great place. Obviously, culturally, there's a lot of China and the rest of Asia, obviously. But I, you know, I really enjoyed going to the. The night markets and really getting to experience some of what it was actually like on the island of Taiwan. But you're right that we. In fact, the last segment, we were just talking about, you know, Fulton county and of course, Maricopa county is something where we talk about the lack of democracy and the fact that it takes them weeks upon weeks to get these votes counted. Whereas in Taiwan, they got people in there with cell phones, and they're just watching it, and suddenly, boom, it's counted in, like, two seconds. I said, why can't we have that? The United States?

[Paula Scanlon]

Yeah, that was something that was great. I remember when that was going viral. I felt that it was amazing. But what's also interesting about Taiwan is you have to vote on election day. You have to be there or you can't vote. There's all this conversation about early voting and. And many of these different things, but, you know, it's. It's a country that's gotten democracy right in a lot of ways. We've elected really strong leaders over time, and people who, again, have Values that align with what we believe as Americans. My grandfather, who was Taiwanese and worked for the government and worked so hard to get democracy in Taiwan, he loved America. He worked really hard to be able to live in America and get his American citizenship. And so what a lot of people don't realize is the people of Taiwan really do love American values, and they want their culture to be like that, unlike in China, where they hate American values. And that's why they're, you know, so aligned with the Democrat Party here. It makes a lot of sense.

[Jack Posobiec]

No, it really kind of lines up, because what do you see? You see a one party that is interested in collectivization. You see the interest in total central government control. That is liberalism. And that is why the Chinese Communist Party is so. It's such an aphrodisiac to people like that. And unfortunately, many Republicans will have the same type of reaction because they see it as a path towards total power. They say, wait a minute, if we can just get rid of the rights of these people, then we can do whatever we want.

[Paula Scanlon]

Yeah. And it's. It's a really scary time for me thinking about these negotiations. Again, not to keep going back to this, but some of the news we found out about, how many of these people in the Democrat Party are so aligned and in constant communication with CCP actors. I mean, I don't know. I used to think the other side just maybe had different beliefs than I did. Right. There's certain policies the Democrats have pushed that I don't agree with, but this is something that's against the interest of American citizens. You can't possibly be hand in hand with a foreign government that has interests that are so different than what we value as Americans and what this country was built on, what our Constitution and founding fathers worked so hard to get us into this democracy that everyone wants to be part of. And it's just a really scary time. And I'm looking at this negotiation very closely, and I'm thinking, there again, they're Democrats who have done so much to push Trump back in this. I know he's a great negotiator. I know he will get the best job done he can. But I can't help but feel like there's people again in this, in our own country that have worked so hard to make this negotiation that much harder for Trump. And so that's something I'm watching closely. And honestly, I find it a little bit frightening.

[Jack Posobiec]

Well, I can certainly understand why, when you see someone using language like that basically saying, Taiwan is ours. And we will have it back within the fold one way or the other. The only question is whether or not we will go to war over this island. And it's something where it's very clear. When we had the ambassador on yesterday, he was talking about the importance of maintaining the status quo. Xi Jinping, on the other hand, seems like he has no interest to do so whatsoever. Right back with more Paula Scanlon here on Human Events Daily. This the Jack Bosobic Appreciation Hour. I can say confidently, I believe, I think Josh Shapiro would be the vice presidential nominee if it wasn't for Jack Bock. And that is. All right, Jack Bosobic, we're back live here, Human Events Daily, Real America's Voice. And my gosh, you just look at that image of Shanghai, China. That is a live shot. And we're on with Paula Scanlon. She's senior fellow at the American Principles Project, but also is Taiwanese herself. And guys, throw that shot up again because, Paula, I mean, this does not look like Taiwan. Taiwan just does not have this level of smog and soot in the air like this. It's not like this at all.

[Paula Scanlon]

Yeah. No. I've actually never been to China. My grandmother told any of us, again, this is how much hatred she has for the ccp, has told any of us if we ever go to China, we're getting written out of her will. Or if she likes to say, you get nothing from me in her accent, which is very cute. But it's true. It's a completely different country. It's a different area. I honestly feel in a lot of ways that Taiwan is more similar to Japan and Tokyo in a lot of ways. For people who have never been there and want to understand, that's sort of what I get. I think in a lot of ways, my family even feels more culturally connected to Japan than they ever possibly could with mainland China. And I think that's something a lot of other people don't see and understand. And I mean, again, my grandfather also worked in Tokyo as well for the embassy. But it was, it was, it's a very different country and it's a very technologically advanced country. And again, this is what happens when you don't have communism and your society can flourish and you have capitalism and strong education systems and people who work for businesses and there's chip manufacturing and there's all these different things. That's not like a terrible, terribly run country like China.

[Jack Posobiec]

No. And in fact, Taiwan had been part of the Japanese empire even prior to World War II. The Treaty of Shimonoseki, one of the wars that had been fought between China and Japan, Sino, Japanese war, and I believe Formosa, it would have been a Portuguese colony even prior to that. So. And people. One of the things that I think a lot of people miss, too, about the importance, strategic importance of. Of Taiwan. Yes, of course, the chips. There's no question. Tsmc, such an important role of the economy, these AI chips, the highly advanced technology coming out. But also, and I just got to say, as a Navy guy, right, the shipping lanes for all of Asia pass right by Taiwan. That's why the Dutch wanted it. That's why the Portuguese wanted it. That's why the Japanese wanted it so much. That's why it was so strategically important. And of course, going back to the 1950s, MacArthur himself even said that if anyone ever wanted to invade mainland China, then Taiwan itself would be essentially a. A natural aircraft carrier for an invasion. And this is why, from a geostrategic standpoint, it makes so much sense for Taiwan to be an ally. And to your point as well, that Taiwan was seen as one of the Asian tigers in the. I believe was the 1980s, along with Singapore, along with South Korea, because this was a place where innovation, where capitalism was allowed to flourish.

[Paula Scanlon]

Absolutely. And again, and also an embrace of American culture, too. I mean, there were talks about trying to make English the first national language of Taiwan. I think everyone really, I know in Taiwan, all of my family members is making. Taking great effort to learn English. It's something that they. They really value their relationship with America. And again, all my family from Taiwan, they all want to move to America. They love America. And it's something that, again, Chinese people are not doing. And so I don't. I don't know how much more I can really emphasize here, but I see a lot of connections, and I see them as an important ally. And again, a country that's distinct from China. I know there's going to be a lot of complicated geopolitical things going on in the world. And so this is just a moment, really, where I'm feeling a lot of just, it's. It's stressful, it's frustrating, and it's something I'm frightened about what the future looks like. And again, China is not a country that is an ally and that has American interests. And the CCP really is an evil regime. And I know that there's a lot of people who share that sentiment, even people who are over in Asia.

[Jack Posobiec]

Well, all we need to do, right, you know, we can. We could Sit here and talk about all day long, but all you need to do is look at Hong Kong. After the Hong Kong turnover in 1997, Beijing promised, they swore up and down that they would allow the one country, two systems for 50 years, no interference whatsoever in Hong Kong. Hong Kong would maintain autonomy, they would maintain their democracy, they would maintain their systems that barely lasted a couple of decades. And what have they done? They've gone in and they've curtailed freedom of speech, they've curtailed public newspapers from being printed. Jimmy Lai, who printed Apple Daily, he's in jail right now because of what he was printing about Xi Jinping in Hong Kong. They would. They were disappearing book booksellers, like just people who own bookstores that would have books that were critical of Xi Jinping, and they were being disappeared by the Chinese secret police from Shenzhen, just across the river up north from Hong Kong. So the idea that Taiwan could be entered into the fold without any changes to the system is laughable because we can see what they've done in Hong Kong. Right. You know, right across the way. And as well as the democracy movement. In fact, Libby Emmons just interviewed a member of the Hong Kong democracy movement. Little. Little plug right there. To my colleague Libby Emmons, Chloe Chung from Hong Kong in the Umbrella democracy movement of 2019, because she's now been essentially banned from returning home.

[Paula Scanlon]

Yeah. And exactly that. I mean, it's something we should all be afraid of. And there's so many people who have worked so hard to try to raise awareness to what China does as a regime. I mean, there are people who have left there and don't want to go back and don't enjoy what's happening. And I just. It's just disappointing to see their stronghold. And again, I'm really thankful that Trump is president. Being in there to negotiate, I think he is the type of person who can continue to put China in their place. And that's really all that I want from weak leadership. I know Trump is strong enough to be smart, to hold himself there, and I really do pray for a lot of the people who are on this trip in China that that is something I find frightening. Again, as. As American citizens being on the ground there in that foreign country, it's something I'm watching closely really, what happens here. But ultimately, I know that I'm really proud to be an American citizen. And I think when I'm looking at the situation, I'm reminding myself how thankful it is that even with all the crazy things we see with leftist indoctrination, and all of that. I'm beyond grateful to be an American citizen that has the right to say this. If I did this interview in China, you probably would never see me again. I'm grateful. We have freedom of speech in this country, and that's something we fight for with our values. And I can say this, and I can tell you about what I believe about China and what I know to be true as a Taiwanese as well, and I'm thankful for that. So, really, right now, I'm thankful to be American.

[Jack Posobiec]

No, that's. That's. That's great to hear. You know, it reminds me of something that Tanya Tay, you know, obviously, you know Tanya, and she was born in the Soviet Union and came to the US as teenager. And she was saying once we were watching a trial, you know, just covering something for, you know, for the show. And, you know, we were watching. I can't remember if it was. It was either Kyle Rittenhouse or the. The Derek Chauvin, one of. One of those. And she was talking about how that she was like, this system that you guys have is. Is amazing, where people can get up and there's evidence and it's public, and you can really hash it out, and it doesn't mean it always gets it right. But she just said, I know about countries where they don't do things like that, where the government arrests you, and that's it. You're just. You're never heard from again, or, you know, you get thrown in prison and you get a letter saying, hey, you know, your loved one is going to be locked up for this many years, or you're never going to see them again. And there are parts of this world, even today, that are still like that. And I just. And I. And I appreciate you coming on and sharing your experience, because I think a lot of Americans, we just. We don't. We don't appreciate it as much, and we take it for granted, definitely.

[Paula Scanlon]

And I think that's really what brought me into the political movement. If those who are unfamiliar with my story, transgender ideology was something I experienced in college. And when I felt censored about it, that's really when I woke up. And I thought about my grandfather and I thought about Taiwan and people asking my why and why I'm even here talking to you on this show or why I even know you, Jack. It's because of that. And I thought about what my grandfather called for, and I said, no. The American Constitution, the American rights, and the things that my family works so hard to become American citizens. This is what they love and this is what they want, and we have to fight for it. And we have Trump as president and we have all of these great rights now. And that's awesome. But people in other countries don't have that. And that's something I think Americans take for granted. And that's something I try to remind people about when I'm given the opportunity to speak on it.

[Jack Posobiec]

Amen. And for folks who want to follow you, Paula, where can they do so,

[Paula Scanlon]

Paula, why Scanlon on over on X.

[Jack Posobiec]

All right, folks, make sure you go and give her a follow and pepper her with lots of questions about Taiwan because she needs to answer them and have them all out immediately because this could be the flashpoint, the Thucydides trap. Learn your history or you will be doomed to repeat it. Ladies and gentlemen, as always, you have my permission to lay ashore.