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116: Confronting Stage Four Prostate Cancer Through Faith and Holistic Healing | David and Kathi Peters
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David Peters
Kathy had someone to come up to her in the library. We did a lot of posting on Facebook. I just had, like, this insatiable desire to write. I started a blog, and I never thought I would blog and write, but I was writing long posts and just talking about what I was experiencing and feeling, and someone came up to Kathy and said, you know, I've never met someone who didn't do what the doctor says. And so we're really curious. So in some ways, it's kind of like pressure's on because we really hope and believe this is going to be successful, and we hope others will follow suit within our little sphere of influence.
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Jim Mann
You're listening to the I Am Healing Strong podcast, a part of the Healing Strong organization, the number one network of holistic cancer support groups in the world. Each week we bring you stories of hope, real stories that will encourage you as you navigate your way on your own journey to health. Now here's your host, stage four cancer thriver Jim Mann.
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Unknown Host
David and Kathy Peters, thank you so much for joining us.
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David Peters
Yeah, our pleasure. Glad to be with you here.
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Unknown Host
And of course, if you hear a little murmuring in the background, not sure if that's picking up or not, but we're at the convention, the 10th anniversary of healing Strong here in Houston. Of course, by the time you hear this, it'll be over. Sorry you missed it. We're here talking with people about Healing Strong and what God has allowed them to do. So tell me, tell me a little bit about why you're here and what it is you guys do.
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David Peters
Yeah, we'd heard about the conference as part of our Healing Cancer journey that I started last year. In November, I found out that I had stage four prostate cancer. So that was a, well, life changing moment when we were there with the oncologists getting this announcement. And part of what we did is just dive into how can we heal this naturally? And in the process of all of that, I can back up a little bit. But we heard about Healing Strong several months ago, and I just want to mention that we've been listening to your podcast. As we exercise in the morning, we typically listen to a podcast. So while we're exercising our body, we're learning and exercising our mind and learning more about health, nutrition, and healing. So we've enjoyed your guests. In fact, I think you interviewed Theresa Scott, if I'm not mistaken.
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Unknown Host
Yes, I did.
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David Peters
Yes, that's how we heard about her. And we're interviewing her on Tuesday for a documentary that we're producing.
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Unknown Host
Wow.
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David Peters
So after My diagnosis. Our distributor called us and said, have you guys thought about possibly documenting your journey? Because he said, I understand you're going all natural. He said. My father died in 2011 of cancer. He had been diagnosed in 2003, had been given eight months to live, chose a natural healing path and lived eight more years. And toward the end of his life, he was starting to produce a documentary, do the pre production research, and unfortunately died before he could finish. So he asked us, in the honor or in memory of his father if we would finish the documentary. So that's how we got in the process of doing that. And then we'll be doing one of the interviews with Teresa Scott on. On Monday, just looking at mouth health and.
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Unknown Host
Right.
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David Peters
How that has to. How that impacts our overall health and chronic disease and cancer.
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Unknown Host
Yeah, I learned a lot from her. I learned that I'm in trouble because I still have some metal in there that I got to get rid of. And I got root canals. I didn't know anything was wrong with root canals, but yeah, yeah, yeah, she.
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David Peters
I already had a root canal removed and my amalgams, which had mercury in them, removed. So Kathy is part of the documentary. Teresa is going to remove her amalgams on Monday afternoon. So we're going to interview Teresa and then also actually document her in action with this very important aspect of our health.
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Unknown Host
If you need more action, I'll volunteer too, that she can.
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David Peters
Yeah.
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Unknown Host
Fix me up here.
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David Peters
Yeah, no, it worked out good.
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Unknown Host
Are you excited about that?
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Kathy Peters
Well, I'm. I'm anxious to get the nasty stuff out of my mouth. And so, yeah, I mean, it's. Again, those things have been in there for decades and you have no idea that there's something going on in there that needs to be dealt with. And so, of course, what we're told is perfectly safe, so.
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Unknown Host
Oh, yeah, yeah, it's perfectly safe. Unless a thermometer drops on the floor and some mercury comes out. We have to evacuate.
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David Peters
Right, Exactly.
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Unknown Host
That's. That's always odd to me.
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David Peters
But yeah, when they do the biological dentistry, they remove the amalgams and the mercury and there's. They're considered toxic waste that has to be properly disposed of. And it's. I guess it's a fairly expensive process for dentists to do. And yet that's in our mouths, which just really doesn't make sense.
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Unknown Host
Yeah, the older I get, more things don't make sense to me anyway. So. Yeah, that's just one of them there. In fact, she pointed me out to a dentist in Greenville South Carolina area where I live. And of course, they don't ever take your insurance guys.
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David Peters
Oh, yeah.
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Unknown Host
But that's all right.
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David Peters
You know, a lot of money on that.
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Unknown Host
Yes. So I'm going to be. I'm going to be looking pretty in a couple of years here. Good Hollywood smile.
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Kathy Peters
There we go.
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Unknown Host
Anyway, so, yeah, so you decided to come here. Of course, you were doing some interviews for the documentary yourself. So you're going to be. You're going to be sitting in on all the. The different.
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David Peters
Yeah, we came to enjoy the. The event. We've already interviewed Susie Griswold and then Chris Wark earlier today. So we were glad to be able to do that interview and get that done. So we can just totally focus on being part of the event here and meeting people and just enjoying and being blessed by all that will take place.
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Unknown Host
Right.
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Kathy Peters
And we have absolutely come to understand in this journey that you need community in your life when you go through this.
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Unknown Host
It's scary.
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Kathy Peters
It is scary, and it can create a diagnosis, can create an instant disconnect with people, because when you choose the natural route. We have three children, all adults, all married, and in the very initial stages of our journey, each of them in their own way, said, well, you know, maybe you should seriously consider what the oncologist said, because they were reacting in fear. They don't want David to die any sooner than he has to. So. And it's not that it. Which I appreciate it. Yes, I appreciate it.
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David Peters
They want me around.
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Kathy Peters
That's true, and they're going to be. But it's not that they were against our choice to do this, but it has the ability of being. Of really tearing you apart. Part of our journey has been that when you decide to go the natural route, your options are myriad. And I came home from the oncologist. I sat down at my computer and Googled natural healing for cancer. And one of the first things that popped up in my search results was hope for cancer. And I tucked it away and we didn't do much of anything until we found out the extent of David's cancer. And I said, david, I remember that I had discovered something. It's a clinic in Mexico, and they actually have a booth here at the Healing Strong conference. But that's one of the avenues that we chose. And so we went and spent three weeks, started on the 1st of January of this year. We're there for three weeks, and we've been back for one subsequent visit. And through that, we have developed a network of friends who are going through the same thing that we are, we have. In what. We have a WhatsApp group. And we correspond literally every day with this group of people. So we understand the. The value of having people that you can pour your heart out to. And so when we looked at the Healing Strong conference, it's all about connecting. And so we truly believe that just as God wants us to experience unity on every level, the unity that you can experience with people who have a common. I hate to call it an enemy, but a common journey that they're on, it's. I think that's truly what God's heart is desiring for us, is that we connect with other people and that together we show the world there's a. There's a better way.
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Unknown Host
Right. What made you actually decide to go a different route? I mean, your oncologist, he wanted the chemo or.
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David Peters
Well, yeah, initially it was going to be androgen deprivation, hormones, and then radiation was. But, yeah, we had. Both. My parents died from cancer. Kathy's dad died from cancer. So it's. We've been around it. Kathy and I were already. Kathy's been a health and wellness coach for years, taught weightlifting and exercise classes at the gym. We ate really well. So so many things that we were doing were already right. And that's why I was kind of surprising, well, how on earth did I get, you know, stage four cancer? So we had discussed in the past that if we were ever to be diagnosed that we would just go all in with natural.
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Unknown Host
Right.
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David Peters
So literally that. It was on Friday, as I recall. Yeah. We were met with the oncologist, and that's when I found out that it was stage four. I knew I had prostate cancer, but then they. They staged it on that Friday in November. And literally, first we cried ourselves to sleep that night. It was a very traumatic night. But then first thing, we just dove right in. Kathy had already heard about hope for cancer. We called them, they called back, and we started the conversation. And then less than a month later, we were. Well, a little over a month later, we were there. So it was somewhat natural for us. But then it's still, you know, when you're sitting with an oncologist at 4 Fox Chase Cancer center, which is one of the most significant ones, or probably the major cancer center in Philadelphia area where we live, and the oncologist, who's well trained, well paid, experienced, is telling you something, and you're basically not listening to them. It's intimidating.
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Unknown Host
Yeah.
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David Peters
And, you know, we. We'd read all about it. We kind of have Our minds made up. But then you go talk to the oncologist, and then all these questions start coming and of mind. So that's again, going back to what Kathy said. To be in community with people that are committed to this process, that are all in, you know, and listening to people like, you know, yourself and the. Your story and the people you interview. It's just so important to be immersed in that, because it's easy to become intimidated and not feel that, or to feel you're alone when you're not. Yeah.
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Kathy Peters
And we really felt like the way his first oncologist dealt with us, it was from a position of fear. They were trying to create fear within us. In fact, when he explained to us how serious it was, he said, you need to start this treatment on Monday. And this was Friday afternoon. And for us, having walked with God since we were little children.
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David Peters
Born Christians.
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Kathy Peters
Yeah, not quite. We just. We know that fear is not of God. And so we just wanted to make decisions not based on a doctor saying, you need to do this on Monday. And so we just felt that it was worth taking the time to make sure that this was going to be the route that we would take, because we knew it was going to be a tough one, because it's not something that you do for a month, and then your cancer's gone, and then you go back to the way you lived before. It's a committed journey that you will be on for the rest of your life. And that scares you enough to think, well, maybe it'd be easier to get chemotherapy and radiation. I say that jokingly, but the passive approach. But what we found was there's a sense of imperfection, empowerment that comes from feeling like we're in charge. I mean, ultimately, God. God holds all the cards in his hands, but we're working together with him. So we feel very empowered by what we're doing. And the more we study and research the traditional route, and I had studied that for probably 20 to 30 years, and that had been our motivation for saying, we're just going to hit this with all cylinders on the natural pathway. The more we discover and the more we research, there's not many answers that were confidence boosting to us in the traditional allopathic way of doing things. So we feel very empowered that we're on the right track.
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David Peters
Well, just looking out the window here and seeing all these people and sensing the energy here and comparing that to what I felt when we've gone to see our oncologist and you see people waiting to go in for their chemotherapy.
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Unknown Host
Yeah.
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David Peters
And here they're about to partake in wonderful food that will aid in their health and healing. And then people are going to go in and have chemicals dumped in their body. And you know, we've had so many of our friends recently. And of course once you've been diagnosed, then you start to notice how many people have cancer or how many are going through traditional treatments and suffering as they go through them. Where even though it's been hard to give up certain things, it's been fun to learn a whole new way of eating and then watch my body or our body, since we're eating this together, adapt and really start to crave the things that are really best for us.
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Unknown Host
Now, are you on a, like a plant based diet or.
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David Peters
Yeah, yeah, we went well, well first, first we tried raw vegan. So I was diagnosed in November. There was a local holistic doctor that we had already connected with and we started doing IV infusions and ozone infusion and she suggested I go raw vegan for 90 days. For 90 days. And that was just like hellish for me.
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Unknown Host
That's tough.
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David Peters
In fact, after about 10 days, it was putting so much stress on me and Kathy, I thought I'm just going to not eat for three days. I read three day fasts were good. And so about two and a half days into it, I felt I was in bed, I could hardly get up. I just felt so bad. And of course we told our naturopath, she said, well, you know, you should have talked to me first because you're supposed to prepare for those, not just decide you're going to do it one day. So we did that for a month and I was losing weight. I went from 175 ultimately down to 145.
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Unknown Host
Wow.
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David Peters
And I'm still just barely teetering above 145. So I lost.
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Unknown Host
Kind of tall, aren't you?
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David Peters
Yeah, I'm six one, you know, so I kind of related to Chris work story because he was 150 or so and went down to 130 or maybe I forget what it was, but he's six two, he's a little taller than me. Yeah. So going plant based, I did introduce some, some meat and of course we went to some cooked food starting in January. So we kind of. But you know, I, I'm glad I tried it. It was an interesting experiment and we had to laugh at some of Kathy's attempts to make normal food like the mushroom soup. It literally looked like poop.
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Unknown Host
No appetite.
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David Peters
The almond crust pizza was what it was, and it looked halfway decent, but it just tasted awful. And I would always say, honey, thank you for trying this. I will eat it, but please don't ever make it again.
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Kathy Peters
When that happened, I literally went around the corner and just burst into tears. Cause it's a lot, you know, when your plants take a long time to chop up and I mean, we.
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David Peters
Yeah. She works so hard and she loves to cook and loves to cook for me and typically I'm very easy to please.
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Kathy Peters
Yes. So. But it's a lot of work. I feel like I've exchanged my freewheeling life and now I live in the kitchen. Feels that way sometimes. But basically it's. It's plant based. Per our dietary recommendations from Hope4Cancer, he can have wild cod fish three times a week. So we typically do that. But other than that, it's a whole lot of plants, fruits and vegetables. We have a garden, so that's good. Yeah, it's been a crazy change. So we had always eaten. We would buy our eggs from a little farm near us in Pennsylvania and we had a turkey farm where we would get our chicken. And so. Yeah, but all those places have kind of gone by the wayside and so anyway.
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Unknown Host
Wow. Yeah, it's definitely an all in thing. You can't just like eat a few more vegetables and yeah, the cancer will go.
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Kathy Peters
Yeah, right, right.
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Unknown Host
You got to spend a lot. If you don't have a garden, which I still don't have a garden. You spend a lot of time in the grocery store.
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David Peters
Yeah, we do a lot of time and money. Budget has, you know, gone. In fact, I don't even. I haven't really wanted to find out exactly how much more we're spending, but you know, we're self employed, so part of it for me came down as a business decision. I add a lot of value to our company. So the company investing and keeping me alive I think is worth it because hopefully I'll be able to work for many more years and create more films with Kathy and earn hopefully a whole lot more money.
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Unknown Host
Experience cancer healing like you never have before at Hope4Cancer. Through their patient centered integrative and alternative cancer treatments in Mexico. At Hope4Cancer, they offer a holistic approach. Treatments that address the root causes of cancer and provide a personalized healing protocol. Hope for Cancer treatment centers empowers all cancer patients to overcome the odds of their diagnosis, guided by their four core values of faith, love, hope and generosity. To learn more, go to hopeforcancer.com that's hope the number four, cancer dot com. And that's what you were doing before you got the cancer, doing films?
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David Peters
Yeah, I've done my whole career. Yeah, I picked up a camera in sixth grade and started making movies in high school and went to film school and have done film work my whole career. Kathy joined me back in 2011 with our own business. Mostly work for other people, but now we produce long form documentaries as well as a lot of short form films. So in fact, the holistic clinic that we do work with or that that treats us, we're starting to do stories for them, for them to put on their website. So we pick some of the patients that they've helped and not only interviewed them, but like one, he had a lot of problems with his legs and knees and he loved to play pickleball ball. Was having trouble. But through the clinics therapies, now he's back playing pickleball. So we went out and got footage of him playing pickleball and.
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Unknown Host
Wow.
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David Peters
So. So yeah, in fact, that's. I'm hoping we can do more of that working with organizations that are into natural healing and start telling their stories. Because I think with social media, with podcasting, you know, 20 years ago it was really hard to get information out there where now it's just confused, proliferate and go viral. You know, if you have something that's good and people start sharing it. And I think people are. Kathy had someone to come up to her in the library. We did a lot of posting on Facebook. I just had like this insatiable desire to write. I started a blog and I never thought I would blog and write, but I was writing long posts and just talking about what I was experiencing and feeling. And someone came up to Kathy and said, you know, I've never met someone who didn't do what the doctor says. And so we're really curious. So in some ways it's kind of like pressure's on because we really hope and believe this is going to be successful and we hope others will follow suit within our little sphere of influence.
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Unknown Host
Yeah, it is hard to go against the doctors because, you know, they're like right next to God. Right. The Trinity and the doctors and then the rest of us.
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David Peters
Yeah.
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Unknown Host
So it's like. And usually family, like you said, you know, they're scared you're doing the wrong thing and they're going to lose you. But for some reason, my family didn't seem too scared.
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David Peters
Maybe we'll get rid of them.
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Unknown Host
Let me rethink this.
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Kathy Peters
See our inheritance coming a little Sooner than we thought.
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Unknown Host
Oh, my goodness. And I know so well that gut wrenching cry you have to have when you first get the diagnosis and you think, oh my gosh, it's over. And you cry like a baby or you're just shaking. But then right after that, it sounds like the same for you. Right after that it's like, okay, God, you've got this, you know, I got the crying out of the way.
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David Peters
Yeah, well, something that, of course, immediately after the diagnosis, people were giving us suggestion upon suggestion. You know, you gotta try this, read that. And Chris Work's name came up, like, everywhere. So we immediately got his. In fact, we got two copies. And I remember reading, I just like devoured it in a couple days where he, he said he was asked the question, do you want to live right and why? And that's where, you know, the emotions started to come. Because I really wanted to live right. And for goodness, the first couple months, I would cry over anything and everything. I just would be. I was so emotional. And in many ways it was kind of like a good purging, just letting all of this out, you know, what I was holding in. And just this whole new appreciation for my wife and for my kids and for what we do and for the world, an intense desire to increase, you know, as a storyteller, because the world is hurting and we feel our films and stories can help people in that process, whether it be just spiritually or physically.
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Kathy Peters
But it's okay to cry and have a sense of resolve?
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David Peters
Yeah, yeah. It wasn't despair. It was just deep emotion that's just deep within the human part of my soul and the spiritual part that was just, I guess, in love with this life. And it's hard, as difficult as it can be at times, but one wanting to be here and to love and be loved, you know, I have a crazy vegan friend, he has a restaurant in our area and he was one of the first people I sat down with. And he said, before anything else, he said, dave, love will heal you. So now you're going to change your diet and everything else, but love is the core, God's love. But he said, let your food love you, let your exercise, let your friends love you, because that's what you need. Your body's wounded. And he said, your cancer is a messenger, and don't shoot the messenger. You know, get to the bottom of what's going on. Because sometimes it is emotional. In fact, as a prostate survivor, often that's one of the highest cancers that's associated with Stress. So.
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Unknown Host
Wow. I think it was Chris Wark who said this. BC and ad, you know, before cancer and after diagnosis, I mean, it's kind of. It splits your life to. Your perspective is so different. You know, I think I was 58 when I got my diagnosis. And, like, I thought, man, I just appreciate everything that much more.
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David Peters
Yeah.
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Unknown Host
Work is not as important. We gotta work, of course. But I mean, just, you know, staying busy all the time was not important. Important. Just calming down and learning to rest and connect with God. It's just. And then also facing death. You know, I thought, you know, they told me, a month or two, I'll be gone.
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David Peters
Wow. And can't imagine that.
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Unknown Host
Yeah. And you think, okay, what do they do with my life? And I got to make all these videos. I should have come to you.
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David Peters
Yeah.
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Unknown Host
These videos for my kids, you know, for when they get married and all this kind of stuff, and. But then, of course, it altered. Turned out, well, I'm a total different person than I was before cancer. I was just floating through life, you know, having fun in radio, but. But still, now it's a whole different thing. Radio is not that important to me. In fact, I'm not even there anymore.
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David Peters
Yeah.
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Unknown Host
Doing this podcast is important because it's giving people hope that are scared to death when they get the diagnosis. You can't help but do that because you don't know what's coming down the road. Even if you do all the right things, you don't know. You know, let's come in down the road and. Wow. Just outside of our little window here, they're talking to.
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David Peters
They're all coming together.
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Unknown Host
The cattle are moving in one direction, but they're all happy still.
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David Peters
Yeah.
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Kathy Peters
Happy cows.
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Unknown Host
Yeah. You know, once you've had the cancer and you've passed all that, it's. It's a blessing. The cancer. Not the cancer itself, but the fact that you had cancer and it awakens you to all these things. And of course, we've heard Chris talk about that, and James Templeton. It's just. It's amazing.
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Kathy Peters
Yeah. And one thing that we've told people time and time again is after David's diagnosis, his sister, who is a very wise, wise sister, said, david, this. This is a gift. And so we. You know, in some ways, it's hard to look at it as a gift, but that's a choice that you make. So. And it's interesting that David brought up this idea that asking yourself the question, do you want to live? Because there are some people, and having been A wellness coach for many years. There are people whose identity is wrapped up in being sick, so they can't imagine conversations without their symptoms being part of the discussion. And we don't want to be that way. We want to be the, as Chris calls himself, a cancer thriver. So we're learning to rephrase how we say we don't call it David's cancer. We talk about a diagnosis or whatever, but not owning it. So because we. When you ask yourself that question, do I want to live as you described it, there's a shift that happens in your brain and all of a sudden you start to commit, to derive joy out of situations that might have just gone by totally unnoticed. So, I mean, God's. God's. In God's economy, he's nothing but good. And so this part of David says, you know, cancer is part of his body. So we're going to work to eradicate it. But instead of talking about killing it and having all those, we want to heal it because God is healer.
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David Peters
I think that's another thing we picked up from Chris right away. I don't want to talk about fighting cancer because it's this adversarial thing. I talk about healing it because there's beauty in healing. So, you know, just as it relates to this whole idea of having community and being with people, we were in at Hope for Cancer for three weeks in January, as Kathy mentioned earlier. And so, you know, you. It's like being, you know, in a foxhole with people. I mean, you're in six days a week, you're in treatments and therapies and you're getting to know one another in the evening, you're spending time together and you're away from. It's the first time we've been away from professionally. For me to have been away from life ever that long, I would maybe have 10 days or two weeks. But to have taken three weeks. So just that disconnect of. From the real world to a world of healing was such a great thing. But the people we met, and I was mentioning this to Sally earlier or Susie earlier, if I feel like if I hadn't been diagnosed, I would have never met these people. And I literally. It's like hard to imagine life without them. So it's. I said this before that if someone came and said, well, Dave, you could choose to not have cancer, but then you would lose all these relationships and experiences you've had in the last nine or 10 months. It'd be a tough choice. It really would. Especially because we Feel, you know, we're on the road to healing. And quite possibly because of the diagnosis and the cancer, I may end up living longer based on how we're living now, you know, changing everything.
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Unknown Host
So how are you doing right now?
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David Peters
I feel good. As I mentioned, I lost a lot of weight.
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Unknown Host
Right.
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David Peters
Had to get. I'm in the process of getting a new wardrobe. I still. Now that it's getting warm, I'm wearing jeans again. I have one pair that fit me, but I feel good. My PSA number had risen rapidly last year. It capped at 49 when my therapy started, and then it started coming down to 25. But it's been creeping back up in the last three or four months. I just had a PET scan where they looked at the metastatic areas, the parts that had lit up my large lymph nodes. Kathy can usually explain this stuff better than me, but it seemed like there was improvement there. Certainly no growth, and it certainly hadn't expanded into bones or elsewhere in my body. So that was really encouraging. We've got to figure out the psa, but we just had done a test called the RGCC test, kind of. Why don't you explain it?
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Kathy Peters
So it's. It's also called the Greek test because that's where it's done.
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David Peters
So familiar with it.
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Kathy Peters
Yes. So research. Genetic Cancer Center. Yeah. So, in fact, I think we heard.
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David Peters
About it on your. Yeah, we did. We heard about it on your podcast when you interviewed. Interview.
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Unknown Host
Wow. What a small world.
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Kathy Peters
There you go. There you go. See what you're offering.
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David Peters
You were the catalyst.
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Kathy Peters
Yes. So you know, when your numbers start going in the wrong direction, you aren't. And again, this is part of the struggle when you choose the natural route is there are variables. You're just not sure. So what typically people do is they try everything. The diet, the exercise, the supplements. And how do you know what's helping? I mean, you can watch your numbers go up and down, but you don't know what is specifically contributing toward that. So when David's psa, which is the. The biggest cancer marker for prostate cancer, started going back up, we realized we've got to figure out why that's happening. So we remember the RGCC and a number of our friends from Hope 4 Cancer have done it as well. And so basically, they take blood, they put it on ice, and they overnight it to grease.
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David Peters
They kind of wanted to go along.
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Kathy Peters
And hit the truth, but they isolate.
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David Peters
They.
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Kathy Peters
They isolate your cancer cells, and they basically, for lack of a better description, they drip all types of natural substances on those cancer cells, as well as different chemotherapies and determine very specifically which ones are going to be working for you. So we just had a two hour visit with the doctor that ordered the test last week. And so we know now that there are certain supplements that David has been on for almost nine months now that are having no effect. So that's very helpful. We can drop those from his daily regimen. But then there are huge, which is huge. And just the confidence in knowing. And for people that do choose the traditional medical route, it would tell them exactly what type of chemotherapy would be specific for their type of cancer. So that's not on our palate right now.
- [31:14]
David Peters
So.
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Kathy Peters
So. But we have been given a list of substances of things that would be helpful for him. So we're in the process of figuring out which ones would be the most helpful in adding those to his regimen. And they walk you through it moment by moment and step by step. So, yeah, so that's. It's a journey that continues. It's not just, okay, now we know what to do and we're just going to do this for time and eternity. It's definitely a process. And it's.
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David Peters
Yeah, well, we've been throwing, as a friend of ours suggested, throw the kitchen sink out of it. Just do everything right. And spending a lot of money doing that. But now that we saw the number rising, we thought, okay, let's be a little bit more strategic so we could, as we were told, you know, kind of give it the final blow. You know, it just needed a knockout punch.
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Unknown Host
Right.
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David Peters
And so we're hoping and believing this will be a big part of that now.
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Unknown Host
When, when is this documentary coming out? I want a certain date.
- [32:13]
Kathy Peters
Yeah, well, so do we.
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David Peters
Yeah, it's one part of, you know, listening to Chris, his interview today, he was talking about stress. And unfortunately, between this and our other work, September just turned into a very stressful month. We were two weeks in Austin and Phoenix, then back to Austin and we came home for three days, then flew here and we had trouble with the rental car last night. So we're trying to not overdo it with the film. So as things are happening, we're documenting them and we're trying. Now we just finished a documentary on William Penn. It's released Next, well, on the 10th of October. So now we're going to shift toward this documentary plus another one that we're working on. So I would hope that we could possibly by the end of next year. But we have another documentary that needs to be done in July. A long form documentary. So. So we're not in a really big hurry because it's, it's our journey and our story and we want to be able to interview some key people along the way that we keep learning about. Like we'll listen to a podcast, like with listening to Teresa. Oh, we got to have her in the film.
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Unknown Host
Yeah.
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David Peters
So we reached out to her and she, you know, was super cooperative. Yeah, whatever I can do. You know, we'll interview. In fact, we're going to go to Geronimo Adventure park on Sunday to go ziplining because she said through her cancer diagnosis, she discovered how to be fearless because she was so fearful in her life. And she said, if I can face cancer, I can face. I think she said she's done skydiving, she's done four wheeling. And I said, well, what if, how do we show that in the film? And she said, well, there's an adventure park where you can do a ziplining. So we're gonna do that with her and her family on Sunday as part of the film is we're hoping, you know, we want it to be clever, you know, and personal. There are so many documentary.
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Kathy Peters
Yeah, there are so many clever documentaries about food and root cause. Oh my gosh, Root cause. There are. I mean, it's just. There's so many documentaries that you can watch about this. Not just cancer, but just eating healthy and living healthy. But yeah, you know, when we talked to Chris Wark about the possibility of interviewing him for the documentary, he said, I'll do it if your documentary answers three questions or deals with three topics. Number one is can I do it? Number two is how do I do it? And number three, will it help me? He said, if we can create that kind of hope for people. And so at the point that we are in David's journey, we're feeling very confident that this would be something that we would say to other people. It's hard, but it's good and it's worth the effort. But who knows what the future will bring. So hopefully next year, whatever the story looks like, we'll.
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David Peters
Yeah. And we'll probably start doing some editing ahead of time. But we really appreciate all the cooperation from Susie and yourself and the whole Healing Strong team here because it's these types of things that we feel will bring it alive versus just interviews with people talking about healing techniques. So we're really. And so. Yeah, so when it comes time for the premiere, we'll make sure you talk about. About it.
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Unknown Host
Okay.
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David Peters
Get an audience. Because we'd like to do, like, a streaming event where we'll show the film and have it open, you know, globally. We did that with another film recently, and it went really well. And then have, after the film, have like a discussion afterwards and get some key people. In fact, maybe you could moderate that discussion that we would. We would record on Zoom, and then that would be part of the package. People would get a ticket to watch the film.
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Unknown Host
Film.
- [35:59]
David Peters
And then the discussion afterwards. And possibly some other things, you know, like a ziplining. Zip lining.
- [36:08]
Unknown Host
Yes.
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David Peters
Or a free trip to Healing Strong conference.
- [36:10]
Unknown Host
That's right. Yeah. I think I'm free that week, so. Yeah, we can do that. Yeah. Well, hey, I figured out what they're doing. They were saying grace and now they're all eating.
- [36:20]
David Peters
They're all in line. In queue.
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Kathy Peters
Well, they better leave some for us.
- [36:24]
Unknown Host
Yeah, the one lines too long anyway, so.
- [36:26]
Kathy Peters
Yeah, I know. Well, we can tell them we're VIPs and we need to get in line first.
- [36:30]
Unknown Host
Exactly.
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David Peters
Well, we know Jim.
- [36:34]
Unknown Host
Great. Well, David and Kathy, I appreciate that. It was good to meet you all and it's very interesting. I can't wait for that documentary to come out November 28th of.
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David Peters
You're going to pin us down, aren't you?
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Unknown Host
That's right.
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David Peters
Well, we do work better with deadlines, so when it comes that time, we'll come call you and say, jim, we need a deadline and you can give us the deadline and we'll meet it.
- [36:56]
Unknown Host
I'll do it. All right. Well, thank you so much, and I'm glad you guys are here and be encouraged by all the speakers that are going to be here. And thank you so much for being part of the podcast.
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David Peters
Yeah, our pleasure. Thank you very much.
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Kathy Peters
And thank you for what you do. You truly bring hope into people's lives. It's worth listening. And we've been so blessed by what you do. So us cancer diagnoses, people are looking for. Looking. What's that?
- [37:25]
David Peters
To coin a phrase.
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Kathy Peters
To coin a phrase. There we go. We're looking for information, so. And yours has been very.
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David Peters
And as we exercise in the basement and listen to your podcast, we will think of this moment.
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Kathy Peters
Yes.
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Unknown Host
All right. You'll be exercising to yourself pretty soon.
- [37:38]
David Peters
Yeah, that's true. Yeah. Well, would we have.
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Kathy Peters
Oh, that would be odd.
- [37:41]
David Peters
Would we be able to listen to ourselves? I think we did pretty good.
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Jim Mann
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