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Dan Claps sits down with Steve Hart, co-founder and CEO of PMI, for a conversation about entrepreneurship, resilience, and building one of the largest property management franchise systems in the country. Steve shares how his entrepreneurial mindset started long before adulthood—mowing lawns, taking care of pets, and constantly finding ways to earn money as a kid. After realizing corporate life wasn’t for him, Steve eventually transitioned into entrepreneurship full-time, navigating multiple failures and difficult seasons along the way before co-founding PMI during the 2008 financial crisis.Throughout the episode, Steve breaks down how PMI identified a fragmented property management industry filled with mom-and-pop operators and turned it into a scalable national franchise brand built on systems, technology, and recurring revenue. Dan and Steve discuss the evolution of property management, the power of national branding, and why recurring monthly revenue creates such an attractive business model for franchise owners. Steve also explains PMI’s unique “five pillars” approach to property management—including residential, commercial, HOA, multifamily, and short-term rentals—which gives franchisees multiple ways to scale and grow their businesses over time.The conversation also dives into the realities of entrepreneurship behind the scenes, including the importance of having support from a spouse or partner during difficult moments. Dan reflects on how one of his earliest franchise placements with PMI helped shape his own journey into franchising, while Steve shares why he still believes PMI is only getting started despite operating in nearly every state. Whether you’re considering franchise ownership, exploring property management, or looking for insight from entrepreneurs who have weathered decades of ups and downs, this episode delivers practical lessons on growth, persistence, and long-term thinking.

In this special crossover episode recorded live from the International Franchise Association convention in Las Vegas, Dan Claps joins Lance Graulich on The Franchise Fit Podcast for an unfiltered conversation about entrepreneurship, franchising, and what it really takes to build a business. Sitting down in a hotel room at IFA, Dan opens up about the early days of launching Voda Cleaning & Restoration, including the moments where he genuinely believed the company might fail. He shares how listening closely to franchise candidates who didn’t buy ultimately helped shape Voda’s systems, messaging, and long-term culture into what it is today.Dan and Lance dive deep into the realities of franchise ownership versus entrepreneurship through acquisition, discussing why so many aspiring business owners spend years overthinking instead of starting. From unit economics and royalties to validation calls and growth strategy, the conversation breaks down what separates successful franchise systems from the rest. Dan also explains why he believes franchising is the “fast track” to business ownership, compares the franchise relationship to a marriage, and shares his philosophy on building companies designed to last for decades—not just for an exit.The episode also explores the future vision for Franchise Playbook, why “needs-based” businesses like restoration continue to grow, and the mindset first-time entrepreneurs need if they truly want to fire their boss. Whether you’re considering buying a franchise, searching for your first business, or trying to decide between starting from scratch or buying an existing company, this conversation delivers practical insight from two people who live and breathe franchising every day.

Dan Claps introduces a new era of the I Fired My Boss podcast, announcing version 3.0 from a professional in-person studio setting after more than 160 episodes. Moving away from Zoom, Dan emphasizes his desire for more authentic, real conversations, kicking things off with a unique format where his behind-the-camera associate Teddy steps in as the interviewer. The episode opens with a candid personal update, as Dan reflects on a whirlwind few months of company growth and his intentional efforts to create balance—focusing on fitness, structured workdays, and limiting phone use to reduce what he يرى as “artificial dopamine” from constant digital stimulation.The conversation evolves into a deeper exploration of entrepreneurship, discipline, and long-term business building through franchising. Dan breaks down the lifecycle of a franchise owner—from early excitement to skepticism and eventual alignment—highlighting how experience, often gained through mistakes, drives growth. He and Teddy also dive into comparisons between franchise models like Chick-fil-A, Crumbl Cookies, and Voda Cleaning & Restoration, unpacking ownership structures, profitability, and scalability. Throughout the episode, Dan reinforces his philosophy that true business ownership is defined by equity and long-term value, while also emphasizing patience, operational complexity, and the importance of building something that can ultimately be monetized.

In this episode of the I Fired My Boss podcast, Dan Claps sits down with Ken Sandy, managing partner at Dryy Garment Care and owner of FRSTeam Dryy, a restoration company specializing in textiles, electronics, and contents pack-out and storage for residential and commercial disasters. Ken shares his unconventional entrepreneurial journey—from working in corporate call centers to launching and failing at multiple ventures before finding success in marketing, dry cleaning innovation, and eventually restoration. He explains how his team transformed a traditional dry cleaning concept into a tech-enabled, community-focused service with hundreds of locker locations in multifamily buildings, and how the pandemic forced him to pivot into the restoration industry.Ken and Dan dive into the realities of franchising, discussing the value of proven systems, the challenges of royalties, and the importance of operator execution over the playbook itself. Ken reflects on scaling a growing restoration business and balancing expansion with fully maximizing an existing market, while Dan shares lessons from building and growing franchise brands nationwide. The conversation also explores mental models like “hidden abundance,” the power of relationships in home services, and why the best operators focus on sales, networking, and people rather than getting lost in the minutiae. It’s an honest discussion about entrepreneurship, franchising, and what it really takes to build and scale a successful service business.

In this episode of the I Fired My Boss podcast, host Dan Claps sits down with Oliver George, one of the earliest franchise owners in the Voda Cleaning and Restoration system. Oliver shares his journey from a 20-year career in corporate roles across the restaurant and car industries to taking the leap into franchise ownership. Driven by a passion for leadership and helping people grow, Oliver found his calling in the restoration and cleaning industry—not just as a business, but as a vehicle to build a team-centric culture where employees thrive. He discusses why he chose Voda over other franchise options, the importance of aligning with a company’s core values, and how early support and strong systems played a key role in his decision.Dan and Oliver dive into the realities of building a business from the ground up, the challenges of entering a competitive market with a new brand, and the lessons Oliver has learned along the way. From emphasizing exceptional customer service and fast response times to fostering open communication and empowerment within his team, Oliver’s leadership style shines through. He also talks about goals for 2026, including hitting $1 million in revenue and expanding into the commercial space. This episode is packed with insights for aspiring franchise owners and entrepreneurs who want to build something bigger than themselves—rooted in culture, resilience, and a people-first mindset.

In this lively in-person episode of I Fired My Boss, host Dan Claps sits down with Karen Wenning of Suttle-Straus at her office in Madison, Wisconsin. Karen shares her remarkable 18-year journey with the company, starting as a marketing director and eventually finding her niche in the world of franchising. The conversation touches on the importance of company culture, personal growth, and the power of relationships in business. Dan and Karen reflect on their shared experiences within the franchise community, including industry events, local connections, and even a recent carpet-cleaning job that turned into a much larger restoration project—an unexpected case study in lifetime customer value and the ripple effect of trust in service-based businesses.Together, they dive deep into marketing strategies, emphasizing how consistent touchpoints, authentic connections, and brand trust are more important than ever—especially in a world overwhelmed by digital noise. Karen offers insight into how Suttle-Straus supports franchise brands through customized marketing portals, direct mail, and environmental graphics, all rooted in over a century of service excellence. The episode wraps with a fun office tour showcasing how Suttle-Straus brought the Voda brand to life on Dan’s office walls—proof that powerful branding and meaningful partnerships go hand-in-hand.

In this special solo episode of the I Fired My Boss podcast, Dan Claps shares his presentation from a live webinar titled Don’t Start Your Own Business Until You Know This. Drawing on 12 years of experience in franchising, entrepreneurship, and business brokerage, Dan lays out the foundational framework every aspiring business owner needs to understand before jumping into business ownership. Whether you're considering starting a business from scratch, buying an existing one, or joining a franchise, Dan walks through the costly mistakes to avoid—and the critical filters to apply when selecting the right business and industry for your goals and lifestyle.Dan breaks down five key factors that determine whether a business will set you free or trap you: how you'll acquire customers, find and manage employees, stand out in the market, make the numbers work, and whether the day-to-day aligns with your personal strengths. He also dives into real-world examples from his own entrepreneurial journey—from a failed college startup to scaling and selling a lead gen company to private equity, and launching his current franchise, Voda Cleaning & Restoration. This episode is packed with practical advice on industry selection, understanding business models, leveraging SBA loans, and why franchising might be the fastest path to freedom for many aspiring entrepreneurs.

In this episode of the I Fired My Boss podcast, Dan Claps shares a surprising perspective: if he could go back in time, he wouldn’t start a business from scratch again. Reflecting on his early days building a company in college, Dan walks through the challenges of figuring everything out alone: what to work on, how to grow, and where to focus. He explains why, in hindsight, partnering with an established franchise would have saved him years of trial and error by eliminating the guesswork while still requiring the hard work. For anyone considering business ownership, Dan makes a compelling case for why buying into a franchise offers a smarter, faster, and more supported path to success.Dan also dives into the mindset shift of viewing a franchise as a business partner, one that brings systems, brand equity, marketing support, and a proven playbook to the table. He breaks down how franchising works beyond just fast food, highlighting the wide range of industries and opportunities available today. If you’re thinking about starting a business or wondering whether to build or buy, this honest, experience-driven episode is packed with clarity and direction that could save you years and thousands of dollars.

In this heartfelt solo episode, Dan Claps shares a powerful reflection on content creation, authenticity, and the lessons he wishes he could share with his younger self. Dan opens up about the evolution of his content strategy, from tightly focused franchise messaging to a broader, more personal and authentic approach. He unpacks why creating content that actually connects starts with being true to who you are, not who you think the market wants you to be. Using insights from personal experience and mentorship, Dan emphasizes the importance of attention-grabbing hooks, speaking to a niche before expanding, and creating content that would have helped you 10 years ago.Dan also walks through a list of invaluable life and business lessons he’d share with his 23-year-old self, from the compounding power of hard work and relationship equity, to protecting your health, letting go of ego, and the importance of playing long games with great people. It’s an episode about alignment, clarity, and learning to trust your path while staying relentlessly committed to growth. If you're building a business, creating content, or just trying to figure out your next move, this one’s worth your time.

In this solo episode of the I Fired My Boss podcast, host Dan Claps dives into a powerful yet often overlooked strategy for growing any local business: asking for referrals. Drawing from a recent training call with franchise owners, Dan breaks down the four core ways to grow a business: acquiring more customers, increasing average ticket value, cross-selling additional services, and reducing costs. While all four are essential, Dan zeroes in on the high-impact, zero-cost opportunity most business owners ignore: generating referrals from already satisfied customers.Dan shares a practical, confidence-building framework for how to ask for referrals effectively without feeling pushy, including the exact language to use and the psychology behind why it works. He emphasizes the importance of consistency and persistence, reminding listeners that one "no" shouldn't stop them from asking again. Whether you're in home services or any customer-facing business, this episode is packed with actionable insights that can help you generate more revenue without spending another dime on marketing.