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Oh, girl. Yes. This is so good. Okay, so we're talking about a couple things here. First of all, because our emotional regulation and, like, emotional processing is usually a little deficient, we can struggle with something that's called emotional impermanence, meaning we feel something really big when it's happening, but then our ADHD brain distracts us from it. And. And it's as if it goes away, but it doesn't go away. Like, spoiler. And you're already saying this. It doesn't go away because it wasn't actually dealt with. Right. So it gets thrown on the pile. Like you said, like an emotional doom pile. I absolutely love that term. Like, we are. We're coining that. I am stealing that. That's so good. An emotional doom pile. So what happens is you feel the big emotion, then there's a distraction, the emotion dissipates, and our working memory combined with our deficient emotional regulation kind of like, works against us to forget that the emotion was even a thing. And it goes kind of like, tucked away, right? It's tucked away. We forget to circle back about it because our memory sucks, I'm sorry to tell you. So now we've got this, like, thing that we are upset about. We have forgotten about it. It's kind of tucked away, but it's still there. Okay. It hasn't been repaired. It hasn't been repaired. It hasn't been processed. It hasn't been dealt with. And what's happening when, like, something kind of triggers that emotion to come back is that now your body is not just responding to that one thing happening in real time. It's bringing in that entire doom P as you described. And it's saying, and remember this time and this time and this time and this time and this time. And so instead of dealing with just one emotion about one specific, you know, fight that's happening, we're bringing in all of the emotion from the past. Unrepaired, unprocessed fights. Okay. Yes. Question mark that. What's going on? I wish you were sitting in front of me. I wish I was coaching you, because I would love to actually have a face to face about this. So this is what I'm assuming. The issue here is that we need to figure out a way to deal with the emotions in real time and or set a very clear breadcrumb pathway to come back to it. So that we deal with it. Okay. It sounds like things like your kids distracting you is a very sneaky way that we are. I'm going to say allowing. I hope you don't take offense to that. I'm going to say allowing things to kind of get swept under the rug. The problem is the pile under the rug is growing and growing and growing. Right. So what we need to do is a couple things. I want you to start to journal or voice note into your notes app and start to just dump out, like, as much as you can of, like, what you're pissed about. And it's gonna feel maybe a little bit wrong at first. Cause you're like, I love my spouse. Like, I. I don't want to have this, like, running list of things that I'm pissed about. The problem is you already do. You already do. You already have this emotional doom pile of stuff that has not been resolved. Okay? So maybe it's actually at one of these trigger points when you're realizing, like, when you do get angry and then you. You're. You're bringing in all of these other emotions. Maybe that is the time to say, I need a minute. And we just go into the other room and we start writing down all those things that haven't been repaired. Because what's happening, Instead of having a doom pile, I want us to have a repair pile. I want us to have a pile of things that need to be repaired. And this is not about beating your spouse up. It's not about nagging them. It's not about bringing up the past so that we can just, like, annihilate them with our emotions. That's not what it's about. It's about, listen, I want to be connected to you, and I want to have a great relationship with you. And when we're mad at each other in a moment, I don't want to bring in all this other stuff. I really don't. But in order for that to happen, I. It needs to be repaired. I can't just keep moving on and throwing things onto the pile that have not been repaired. So it sounds to me like you actually need to make a list of things that you're pissed about, and you need to bring that to your spouse and say, we need to talk about these. Like, this is going to be really uncomfortable, and I'm not doing it to shame you, and I'm not doing it to, quote, unquote, dig up the past. I want to have this conversation because these things are kind of hanging over my head. Emotionally, I'm able to be distracted by the kids and by life and like, we're just like, we're doing our jobs and we're doing our things. But when we have a conflict, I bring all of this into the conflict and I don't want to do that anymore. I actually need some repair here. I'm curious what you think your spouse is going to think about this. This might actually be a great opportunity for couples therapy. And what I mean by that is, babe, I love you so much and like, we have this great life, but when we fight, I've got a whole pile of things that I'm angry about. And I don't want to do that to you because it's not fair to you, it's not fair to me, and it's not fair to you. And I don't know if we really have the skills to navigate all of this without a third party. Would you be willing to go to therapy with me for a couple weeks, just a couple weeks to kind of like dig through this, this pile so that when we're fighting, we're actually fighting about the thing that's in front of us? Because every couple fights, Every couple fights is normal. That's not abnormal. Every couple fights. But, but the abnormal part is you're. You've got a U haul. You've got a U haul full of other unrepaired things that you're bringing into today's fight. That's the part that needs some help. So I would highly, highly, highly recommend that you, that you get some outside support if possible. If that's not possible, like if he's not willing, or if you're like, we just can't do that right now, whatever, then at least start with a very frank conversation. When you're not triggered, when you're not upset. This is like, this is a conversation to have when you're super lovey dovey, okay? When you're in a really good place or a decent place or a neutral place, whatever, okay? You're like, hey, I wanna let you know that I'm discovering, I discovered in therapy that I, when we have a fight, I bring all of this past stuff into it. I know that's not fair to you. And I think the reason why it happens is because that, that stuff has never been repaired. We've never really talked it through. We've never had an opportunity for accountability or apology or like making it right. I have not really processed it. And I know this is like not sexy, but I'm gonna need some Time for us to talk through this so that I don't keep bringing it into every fight. Okay, so that's the first thing. The second thing is, why don't you want to fight in front of your kids? I'm really curious about that. Why does a conversation need to stop when the kids come in the room? Is there a way to continue the conversation without attacking, without yelling, but with still communicating, hey, we're not on the same page. And I'm not. Okay, because in my opinion, and maybe this is something you want to run by your therapist, I think that's highly appropriate. I think it's completely, completely appropriate to have, I like to call them discussions in front of the children. So that looks like, hey, this is making me upset. I don't understand why you're doing this. I'm feeling angry right now. Like, having that kind of conversation in front of a child, in my opinion, is completely fine. It's okay for your kids to see you having discussions and not being on the same page because what you're doing is you're working toward repair. So I'm just wondering if the kids are kind of like a convenient out, like an escape hatch, and then we're just moving on without repairing. Like, what if we don't do that? What if we don't use the kids as an escape hatch now? I don't know anything about your life. I don't know how old your kids are. I don't know what they're requiring of you if they're like, you know, I don't know. I don't know how many you have. I don't know anything. But just kind of as a blanket statement, in my opinion, it is completely fine for couples to have discussions like this in front of the kids. And it's normal. Like, this is modeling for children that couples have discussions, that couples work to get on the same page. That, that you're not always going to be in a perfect place with your spouse. That's totally, totally fine. Greg and I have had times where we've, like, said to the kids, like, hey, we can't be interrupted right now. We're. We're having a discussion. We're okay, but we need to get on the same page before you interrupt us. So go jump on the trampoline, go play, whatever, but we need some time to talk. And I just wanna encourage you to maybe set some boundaries around that discussion time, because what you're doing isn't working. Okay? What you're doing isn't working. We don't Want to have an emotional doom pile that we're bringing into every single argument. That's not fair to you and it's not fair to your spouse. So things need to get resolved. I'm glad you're in therapy. This is a great thing to continue talking to your therapist about. You're gonna be okay. You're gonna be okay. I'm really glad you brought this up because the emotional doom pile, I think is something that people will really, really resonate with. So thank you so much for calling in. Just a reminder that if you want your question answered on the pod, the number is 833-281-2343. Okay. A couple weeks ago we talked about the eating disorder arfid. And I just keep learning more and more and more about it. And I found this graphic. We're gonna put it up on the screen here if you're watching on YouTube. That I thought was so like clarifying because it, it marks off the three types of ARFID and like, kind of like the basis of them. So if you remember or if you don't remember, whatever. ARFID is an eating disorder and it stands for avoidant restrictive food intake disorder. It's an eating disorder that a neurodivergent people struggle with and it is not based on how your body looks. So, and I shared this in the episode about arfid. So much of what I thought about eating disorders was body related. You know, I want, I want to be thinner or whatever. I want to look a certain way. And so there's anorexia, there's bulimia, and that was my like lens of eating disorders. What I didn't realize is that ARFID is not body related and so people who struggle with ARFID are not doing it to look a certain way. There are three types of ARFID and I already went over this, but I just, I thought this graphic was so good, so like accessible. I just wanted to touch on it really quick. So there's avoidant arfid. Okay, that's type number one. It's characterized by strong aversions to certain foods, textures, tastes, colors or smells. So this is sensory based arf. It leads to a limited diet due to sensory sensitivity. So that's avoidant. Then there's aversive arfid, which is fear based arfid. Significant fear of negative consequences associated with eating such as choking, vomiting, or experiencing gastrointestinal discomfort. This fear can lead to avoidance of certain foods or food groups. And then there is restrictive ARFID which is lack of interest. And this one is just like again, it has just blown my mind as I've gone down this ARFID rabbit hole. How many people, first of all in my life, but then also that I've talked to in my Focus membership that actually I think are struggling with a lack of interest of like restrictive arfid. So this is characterized by a general disinterest or lack of motivation towards eating, potentially leading to insufficient food intake and nutritional deficiencies. And I as I said earlier on the YouTube video of the ARFID episode, I got this just beautiful story from a user named Maria K. And she was so vulnerable and she was so articulate in the way that she expressed what ARFID may look like for her. She's not sure that she has it, but I wanted to read it for you because I wanted to have an example of what it might look like in an adult. So this is again a YouTube comment I'm going to read. It's kind of long, but I think it's worthwhile. It's from Maria K. 4:3:17 she says, thank you so much. This came at the right time. I'm 29 and I'm becoming more aware of how my ADHD diagnosed in childhood affects me, and only today I am realizing my struggle with food and eating can be this. She's referring to arfid. I feel so seen watching this video from the Eggs are Eggy and the My Only Breakfast Option Tastes Bad to Me. Now to the social anxiety about not eating for as long as I can remember in my childhood. The pressure to eat until I'm full while I loathed that feeling, or the pressure by concerned relatives to eat the carrot stew or the boiled chicken or other stuff that I hated the texture of later on not going out with my peers to eat at fast food places because I hated the feeling of greasy fingers and the taste of fast food that was supposed to be like tasty for teens. Or the experience of burping after cola that made me unable to share in the joy of cola and Fanta drinking at teen parties. Oh gosh, like this is so descriptive. I'm so grateful to you, Maria, for sharing this. She says. I only had a few such parties I can remember attending. I was and still am pretty isolated socially. When I started to live alone, I could finally choose what to eat, but that meant largely limiting my food choices. It's almost like all food is comfort food. I could eat the same thing like plain oatmeal or pasta every day When I lived alone, I still hate the taste of many common foods and textures such as something acidic, even cherry tomatoes or eating juicy fruit when the juice flows down my hands and face and she's going argh. Such as ripe peaches or melons if I have to eat them, that's only with a fork and knife and so as not to offend people who brought it most mush. Sorry Dan. Gosh. Most muscle, tissue, fat, skin, animal insides are out of the question as uneatable for me. I choke on plain rice and potatoes a lot. Feeding myself feels like a never ending chore. I totally relate to the social anxiety. People are happy to share food and I just go, I'm not hungry in some homes, risking to offend in others, raising concern or weird glances or suspicions that I was trying to stay thin. But even knowing the social risks, the risk of having to try or eat something that I don't eat seems worse. I also feel full very quickly, get bored while eating and chewing especially drier chunks of meat and potatoes in anything but mashed form. Naturally, I'll feel hungry quite often, along with dizzy and extremely annoyed. Yes, and that's where my ADHD and ignoring the hunger because I do something and I lose track of time. That's where they come into the picture. It's like feeling hungry and still not wanting to eat. The doctors in my childhood would nod their heads at me being thin and underweight and they would tell me, you should eat more. So I don't go to any doctors to avoid hearing that. The only time that I went to the doctor was when I had some liver disease and then I received diet recommendations that limited what I could eat even further. I'm aware that eating regularly might help, and so will eating more varieties of food. But most days I can't stand even the thought of it. I can't join in the joy for like, let's cook, let's try something new. I'd rather take a pill to avoid eating on most days, if such a pill existed. I have literally had that thought. That's so interesting. I've literally had that thought. I wish it was just a pill I could take so I did not have to deal with this. It's so fascinating. She continues. I feel like the intensity of this fluctuates. It gets worse during PMS and on busy days. Your story makes me feel more hopeful to explore my condition. Perhaps I can find a doctor who can understand and help me improve nutrition. Now I know the name for my struggle and that's a lot oh, gosh. All right, last paragraph here. It's a topic that's filled with shame and self loathing for me. Not for the body image, you are right. But for why can't I just eat normally and enjoy it? Why can't I just enjoy cooking for me and my partner? So it's a relief to hear the topic is more important and shared by many. Thank you one more time, Maria. Thank you. This was just. I mean, I think your story actually is going to help so many people. And as I continue to explore this topic, I do want to make sure to have on an ARFID expert and maybe some people who are willing to talk about their story. But to hear it expressed by you, Maria, so clearly in so much detail. I appreciate you so much because I didn't have the liberty to share as much as you have been willing to be vulnerable with us. And I just wanna say thank you because y', all, this is a thing. And like I said a couple weeks ago in the episode, I truly can't believe that we're on episode 380 something and this is the first time that we're discussing Arfid. And even though I wish the person in my life did not struggle with arfid, there is a part of me that's grateful. There's a part of me that's grateful. Grateful for the knowledge. Grateful to be able to share with you all. Grateful to just have this understanding, even of myself. I don't know that I would be diagnosable with arfid, but my goodness, do I see some tendencies that I am actually really working to overcome. And people like you, Maria, sharing your story is. It was really, really helpful as well. So I want to recommend one more time. And like I said, they're not a sponsor of the podcast, but it's just the company that I know the person that I love works with. It's called Equip Health. I can't recommend them enough. It's a specific eating disorder therapy company. They are highly knowledgeable in arfid. They work with people who are neurodivergent all the time. I know the person that I love has been having a good, difficult but good experience with the clinicians. And like I said, it's therapists, medical provider, clinician, mentors. Like there's a whole comprehensive program and it's been incredible. So maybe someday they would sponsor the podcast. That would be great. But until then, it's Equip Health and I can't recommend them enough. And Maria, I just wish you all the best. I really, really want to send you just a big hug and so much support. And to anyone who is resonating with her story or with just ARFID in general, it's a thing. It's a thing. Yeah. And I just wish you all the best with that. Okay, we're gonna end on a hilarious note. We're gonna get her on the Internet. We're gonna see what the ADHDers are up to. I thought this would be just like, a fun little segment to. To incorporate. And of course, we're gonna play the reels on Instagram. My gosh. Of course we're gonna play the reels on YouTube if you're watching on YouTube. But if you're listening, you don't actually need to see anything. It's just all basic, basically talking. So let's go ahead and watch the first one. Want to know what it's like living with ADHD? I've needed a car wash for two months. I'm about to miss my third extension on 2023 taxes, and I lost my belt six weeks ago, rendering most of my pants useless. So today I'm building a custom bookshelf for my living room. Like, why? Why is that the perfect example of what it's like to live with. With adhd? I've got so much. I'm a build this custom shelf real quick. And I bet the shelf turned out great, too. Like, I bet that he built an amazing shelf. I bet it's so cute and so intricate and it was great. But are those taxes done? Can he. Can he maybe go on Amazon and buy a belt so his pants work? Could he maybe, like, get his car washed? I actually don't think that's really that important. I thought this was so funny and such a perfect example of what it's like to live with adhd. I love it. Okay, last one. Let's. Let's listen to the next one. Here's how to unwind after work when you have adhd. First, come home and sit down for a few minutes. Let that few minutes turn into four hours being frozen. Feeling terrible about everything you're not doing. Go to bed and suddenly get lots of energy. Waste the energy on researching ways to do the things that you want to do. Go to sleep way too late. Repeat the next day. Don't you feel relaxed now? Don't you feel relaxed now? Don't you? Isn't that so relaxing? Like, let's just avoid everything she didn't mention. But, like, she probably didn't eat. She probably Forgot to, like, have any water. She's definitely not, like, moving her body, connecting with any. No, she's gonna sit on the couch and scroll. Then she's gonna go to bed. Then the energy kicks in as soon as your head hits the pillow. How should I spend that energy? Oh, I'm. I'm gonna research. I'm gonna do my research. Then I'm gonna go to bed way too late. Then I'm going to wake up the next morning hungover, and then we're going to repeat. So good. Y', all, this brain is not for the faint of heart. It's not. And I just want to say, like, if you were gifted an ADHD brain, welcome to the club. There are so many others out there just like you. We are all just trying to make a way for ourselves in the world. I love that we get to have shared experiences. Like, for me, I don't find it fun to have an ADHD brain, but what I do find fun is that we get to have these shared experiences and we get to laugh at, like, the idiosyncrasies of the things that we have in common that, like, neurotypicals are like, wait, what? Why? What are you doing? It's like, no. This is so relatable. I love it so much. Okay. I hope you have a great week. I can't wait to see you back right here next week.