In this episode of I Need To F_*_ing Talk To You, we sit down with Joanna Lovering, a leadership and presence consultant and the founder of Copper + Rise. Joanna partners with organizations to engage, develop, and retain their pipeline of women leaders—helping them step fully into their authority, visibility, and impact.

Through Copper + Rise, she has designed and facilitated programs for companies like Google, Deloitte, and Lululemon, blending psychology, communication strategy, and professional image to support women at every stage of their leadership growth.

This conversation is practical, direct, and packed with actionable insight—especially for leaders who may not even realize how often they unintentionally shrink themselves in professional spaces.

In this episode, we explore:

Why presence is more than confidence—it’s about congruence and clarity
How diminishing language quietly undermines credibility
The role of silence in executive presence
Why visibility in virtual meetings still matters

Joanna’s 3 Pieces of Advice:

Stop the f-ing diminishing language.
- Drop the “just,” “sorry,” and “I think.” Speak in statements, not apologies.
Stop f-ing talking—and allow silence.
- Silence signals authority. It gives weight to your words and invites others to lean in.
Put your fing camera on.
- In virtual meetings, presence isn’t optional. Visibility is leadership.

If you’ve ever softened your message, filled space out of discomfort, or hidden behind a blank screen—this episode is your reminder to take up space.

Joanna is also offering a free 5-day email series to help you strengthen your leadership presence.

Learn more at: www.copperandrise.com

This is a conversation about ownership, visibility, and the subtle ways we either claim—or surrender—our power.

Listen in.

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