In this episode, Ken sits down with Stacey Bailey — leadership coach, strategist, former COO, and a fierce advocate for the System & Soul approach to leadership. Stacey works with leaders who are done choosing between structure orhumanity, performance or culture, clarity or care.

Stacey shares one of the most difficult conversations of her career: a moment that unfolded mid-session with four founding partners, when it became clear that two of them needed to leave. It’s a conversation about accountability, courage, and what it means to lead with both backbone and soul.

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