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Hi guys. Happy Tuesday. I hope you guys are all having a very, very happy, joyful, warm, hopefully warm start to your week. I'm sure you can tell by the title we're talking about Virginia Giuffre. And if you're thinking that you already listened to this story on Tick Tock, you are correct. But hear me out. Well, first of all, I want to say that this is one out of two podcast episodes that are coming out this week. I as far as Jeffrey Epstein goes, there are definitely some stories that I feel like have been told and retold a hundred different ways. And I said this over when I talked about this story on TikTok. I don't want to talk about Jeffrey Epstein either. I think he is the biggest headache in the world. But I will say there was a point in my life not too long ago, a few weeks ago, maybe a couple months ago, where the whole Epstein story, his victims, everything about him, who's involved, who's not, who did what, who didn't, it was taking over my life. I'm not kidding. I was up in the middle of the night just trying to figure out there was something in me and still is so strong that wishes that I could just figure out this entire story. I've now come to terms finally with the fact that we're never going to know. There's just too many things, too many secrets, too many people that are going to take their secrets to the grave, quite frankly. And I've come to terms that we're never going to know the entire story. However, victims of his victims of any criminal perpetrator, in this case Virginia Giuffre, they've spent years of their life, whether that's writing a book, speaking out publicly, doing interviews and whatnot. So many victims spent so much of their precious time in life reliving the most terrible thing that has ever happened to them over and over again for the sake of being a voice and being heard and spreading awareness and telling their story in their own words. I think the least that I could do after reading Virginia Giuffre's book book called Nobody's Girl, is share this story as far as it can go on my platform at least. I mean, like, who am I really? I have no power. I don't. I'm never going to be able to uncover the entire Jeffrey Epstein story for you. But what I can do is spread Virginia Duffrey's voice and that's what I want to do. And I like I said, I covered this case over on Tick Tock I wanted to put it on the podcast as well because I think that this story just needs to be heard by everyone. But don't worry, I just want this episode out. So think of this, I guess as a bonus episode and then the regular podcast episode will come Wednesday. With all that being said, welcome to this episode of I wish you were here. I'm your host, Michelle Cuervo. Virginia Giuffre traveled the world for over two years with Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell. Her job to do whatever they wanted her to do whenever they wanted her to do it. This included what she described to be, quote, being lent out to his friends. A former governor of New Mexico, billionaires, number one, number two, number three, scientist, a respected US Senator, the former governor of a Western state, numerous prominent American politicians, powerful business executives, foreign presidents, a well known prime minister and other world leaders. So do you want to know what it was really like to be a victim of Jeffrey Epstein's? Because she's laid it all out for us. In her book released In October of 2025, Virginia, for the first time ever, tells us her full story of not only what those two years were like for her, but her life before Epstein, her life after Epstein. And in that book she writes in detail everything that she was put through and how she ultimately managed to to escape. She calls out the men that she was trafficked to by name, while also holding back other names out of fear writing quote, you may notice that while I've named some men in this book, I have not named all of the men that I was trafficked to. Partly that is because I still don't know some of their names. Partly too, that is because there are certain men who I fear naming. The man who brutally me towards the end of my time with Epstein and Maxwell, for example, the man who I've called the former Prime Minister in court documents. I know know his name and he knows what he did to me. Even though when others have sought comment from him about my allegations, he has denied them. I fear that this man will seek to hurt me if I say his name here. Virginia feared multiple men in that exact same way, one of those being a man who she was forced to pleasure many times and a man whom she also witnessed having sexual contact with Epstein himself. But out of fear of what those men could do, she held back on naming some. However, there are still a plethora of names in her book and today I'm going to be telling you Virginia Giuffre's story using only information that I've gathered straight from her book. And like I said over on TikTok when I covered this, I have to say the following. I am not calling out these people. I am only sharing information that I've read that I feel is important to share. I'm not an expert. I don't really know anything and I'm not claiming to. What is true, what is not, I cannot say because I did not live this. I wasn't there. I don't know any of these people and I have no way of proving anything. The only intention that I have in filming this episode is to help get Virginia's story out there, because that is what she wanted. So do with this information what you will, but none of it is my own personal opinion, nor am I trying to sway yours and make you think one way or another. This is her story, not mine. But I just think that it is a very, very important one to tell. Could it be fake? Is it exaggerated? Or is it all 100% true? I don't know and you don't either. But she spent the time to write this book for a reason. And I do think that to get the full story, you absolute should and need to read her book because I can't cover everything that she spoke about or else this episode would be 100 hours long. All that being said, Trigger warning the things in this video are not easy to listen to. It's going to be very hard. It's difficult, it's uncomfortable. If you think that listening to this is going to harm your mental health in any way, shape or form, please skip this episode and I will see you in the one tomorrow. Let's get into it. Virginia Duffrey's childhood years were tough. As a young teenager, her mother saw her as an inconvenience and as a kid who was just out of control, acting out all of the time because of that. One day her mom told her that she was taking her to see an eye doctor. They got in the car and started driving. In reality, she was on her way to drop off her daughter Virginia at a place called Growing Together, just south of West Palm Beach. Growing Together was a type of reform school in which kids with behavioral issues were sent with intentions to improve their behavior. But if anything, it was only a place that felt like abuse and it felt like a prison, even down to having security gates and barred windows. There was a room referred to as the White Room. The longest that Virginia ever spent in that room was three weeks. It was a room that you would be sent to as punishment and honestly Call it what it is, it was practically solitary confinement. There was nothing in that room other than cold concrete floor. Counselors wouldn't hold back on what they deemed to be reasonable punishments. One counselor even going as far as breaking a girl's arm. Staff members were not much better either. There was a guard whose favorite thing to do was throw kids on the floor or against the wall or against any hard surface that was in that building whenever he thought that they got out of line. And the kids also there were absolutely brutal to each other. But that was a good thing for the staff, because if the kids, quote, unquote, supervised and punished and restrained each other, then that meant less work for them. In 2004, the New Times newspaper published an article on growing together on the facility as a whole, pointing out different scenarios in which its employees encouraged, quote, beatings, restraint, imprisonment, and systematic humiliation. End quote. And 18 months after that, growing together closed down for good. But that was only part of everything that shaped Virginia to be the teenager that she grew up to be. Life at home was also an endless torment, which explains the many attempts that she had at running away. However, at one point, it wasn't. Her life at home wasn't always terrible. She actually did love living at home with her family, with her parents, with her siblings. And only for very, very few years of her life does Virginia remembered being loved and cared for. But once that went away, the feeling of being loved and seen as a human being was one that she would search for for the remainder of her life. Virginia grew up in her family's farm in Locatee, Florida. There she lived with her mother, Lynn, her father, sky, her older brother Daniel, and her baby brother sky, who Virginia liked to refer to as Sky D. That was her little nickname for him. Her mother, Lynn, had a tough upbringing as well. She didn't have it easy. Virginia knew this because she saw firsthand just how incapable her grandmother seemed to be at caring for anyone other than herself. But even though she wasn't shown love as a kid, Lynn knew how to love her children. For the first five or so years of her life, Virginia's mother poured love onto her. Virginia had little freckles that would come out the more time that she spent out in the sun. And her mother would look at them, point them out in her face, and call them angel kisses. Her dad, sky, was also loving. He would spend so much time out with the kids, building them a tree house, building them a little bridge over a pond on their property so the kids could cross over to the other side and Playing outside while Lynn was gardening, planting sunflowers and daisies out in the front yard, sky would hang out with the kids. He would pay attention to them. He would pay attention to all of the animals that they had on their farm. When Virginia was 6 years old, he bought her a horse, and she named her Alice. And Alice very quickly became Virginia's entire world. And every single day, as soon as she got home from work, she was sprinting to get to Alice to take her out for a ride. She would go to bed so excited to wake up the next to ride Alice. She'd take her out on their land. She would also take her to the pond. They would swim together. Alice was absolutely everything to Virginia, and she would eventually become Virginia's only safe space. Her mom, Lynn, stopped giving her baths, and her dad stepped in. He would bathe her, and then he would start touching her in ways that nobody had ever touched her before. Then it escalated to her father forcing Virginia to touch him. And that turned into their new nightly routine. Virginia would go to bed in her bedroom only to be woken up by her father's footsteps and him entering the room. He would climb into her twin bed, touching her everywhere and forcing her to do the same to him. Then it started happening, not only at nighttime, but also during the day, whenever they were home alone. And then one day, her father invited a friend of his over to their house and a man Virginia had known her entire life as Uncle Forrest to come over and have his way with her. Forrest also had a daughter the same age as Virginia, and Sky and Forrest liked to do what they called trading daughters. Forrest would come over, he would bathe Virginia. He would tuck her into bed, sexually abusing her in the process, not only with his hands, but also with his mouth and his own private parts. Sky, Virginia's father, not only gave Forrest permission to do whatever he wanted with his daughter, but he also encouraged it. And Virginia's mom, she went from being a once nurturing, loving mom to a cold human being that acted like a stranger. Not only did she turn a blind eye to the abuse, but she also accused Virginia of lying even once, implying that Virginia was trying to steal her husband away from her. At a family gathering, when Virginia had reached her absolute breaking point with her father, she lost it. And in front of extended family members, she said, quote, this guy has been me for years, since I was a little kid, and no one's done sh t about it. End quote. When she said that she was fully expecting other family members like her aunts that were There for example, to step in and help her. But nobody did. Instead there was just silence until Skye grabbed her, punched her in the face, and after that it was never spoken about again. Time and time and time again, Virginia tried to ask for help from people that she thought that she could trust. But no one ever helped her and they didn't even do the bare minimum which was acknowledge what was happening to her. Virginia experienced not only sexual abuse from Forrest and her own father, but also from other boys. Two months before being sent to growing together, she was assaulted for five to seven hours by two boys, a 17 year old and an 18 year old in the back of a car while she was unconscious. The three of them had been hanging out. When she fell unconscious and woke up to the two of them on top of her taking turns, it comes to no one's surprise that everything that she was going through made her feel like she had no choice but to run away. She and she tried to, she ran away from home and she also managed to run away from growing together multiple times. But she was what 9, 10 years old when she began trying to run away to escape her reality. She had no money, she had no way of supporting herself and she would just end up finding herself on the streets living alone until officers would find her, pick her up and return her back to her parents house. In 1998 at 15 years old, Virginia ran away from growing together and found herself 45 minutes away at Delray Beach. There, using the only 20 bill that she had, which was stolen from a gas station mind you, she had purchased a one way ticket to Miami and within 20 minutes of walking around, a white van approached her asking her if she needed a ride. Having no other option, Virginia accepted. And by the way, obviously this is all information that she talks about in her book, but I think it makes so much sense when you see the kind of life that I guess she was living with Epstein and Maxwell and how it feels from an outsider perspective that even at times where Virginia knew that what she was doing was wrong, she. I mean I don't know how else to explain it other than she failed to stand up for herself. And if you didn't know anything about her, if you didn't know much about the situation, you might say oh well, why didn't she just walk away? Why didn't she just leave? She chose that lifestyle, she wanted to be there, she could have left and she didn't. But that is why I think it's so important to talk about someone's past and childhood, especially Childhood, because that is when your brain is quite literally still developing. I think that it. It gives you so much context in understanding the way that their brain worked and seeing the way that Virginia, or reading about the way that Virginia was treated by every single male in her entire life. It made me understand so much more why she acted the way that she did. Ultimately, when she was with Epstein and Maxwell, her entire life, she was chasing love. She didn't find love, but instead she was able to find a little bit of satisfaction when Epstein would look at her in the eyes and say, I'm so proud of you. You're doing so great. Just keep doing what you're doing because you're making me so happy. You're making my friends so happy. She found validation in that. Can you blame her? Look at the way that her childhood was. She was never, ever, ever shown love from a male figure in her life. All that she was shown, really, was that men found satisfaction when she would have physical interactions with them. And this started from the moment that she was, what, three, four years old, if not younger. You can see why she would have stuck around in that horrible lifestyle that she was in, because Epstein was the first male figure in her life to ever tell her that he was proud of her. It makes sense is all I'm saying, and we'll keep talking about this throughout the remainder of the video. But anyway, the construction worker driving that white van took Virginia to a motel where he. Her. He held her neck down with such strength that it left her unconscious. When he was done, he. He pulled out a weapon and he threatened to kill her if she attempted to run away, while he then stepped out of the room to take a phone call. As soon as Virginia was left in that room alone, she ran. She ran as fast as she could to try and put as much distance between her and this horrible man as she could, and ended up sitting on a curb in an empty beach parking lot. She was crying. Bruising had started to appear on her neck, and she was so, so weak because, remember, she had just ran away. She had not had real food in days. And once again, she felt that feeling that was way too familiar. She felt like all she was good for was her body. She felt as if men in her life truly just saw her as a piece of meat to use and then discard, leaving her not only physically hurt, but also psychologically tormented as well. It was emotionally exhausting, of course. Course it was. It would be for anyone. And sitting on that curb in Miami shortly after that traumatizing encounter, A limousine approached her. Ron Eppinger was the man in the limo. He rolled down the window and making eye contact with Virginia, he said, oh, you poor baby, come in here so we can take care of you. Ron Eppinger was 63 years old and the owner of a modeling agency. In the limo with him, there was also another young girl who stood, smiled at Virginia through the window. Virginia was terrified that the previous man in the white van would come looking and running after her. She was at her lowest and she thought that at the very least, if she decided to get inside of that limo, she could put more distance between her and the man who just attacked her. So she did. And Ron told her about his modeling agency and he asked her if she wanted to be a model for him. Joined the agency, looking at her, saying, quote, if you want, I can be your new daddy. The limo drove through a drive through where Virginia got the food that she had been craving for days. And then Ron took her shopping for shorts that were way too short and skirts that were way too small. Afterwards, he took her to a lingerie store and picked out different things for her. Virginia remembers thinking that it was shocking that people saw what appeared to be a grandfather buying lingerie for his granddaughter. And yet no one said a thing. When they made it back to his apartment, Virginia was met with a handful of other girls her age, most of whom were barely clothed, if at all, and most of whom barely spoke English. Ron walked her into his bedroom where he told her that she would be sleeping with him in his bed that had a mirror in the ceiling. The modeling agency, quote, unquote, that Ron Eppinger claimed to run, obviously was no modeling agency. In fact, it was actually an escort service. Between the years of 1977 and 1999, Ron, along with accomplices, would seek out vulnerable young girls abroad. They would bring them over to the States to offer them to other men for a thousand dollars a night. Virginia was the only American girls out of the girls. And within hours of being at his house, Ron Eppinger forced her to sleep with him. Let me remind you, a 15 year old girl and a 63 year old man. Ron Eppinger began lending out Virginia to his friends. And she describes that time in her life as feeling like a poor puppy picked from a litter, just hoping its new owner wasn't the whipping kind. In 1999, Virginia was found in bed lying next to a strange man. One of Eppinger's friends, when the FBI broke down the door, arrested the man and removed her from the situation, her dad picked her up and drove her all the way back home. And at that point in her life, back at home, Virginia felt more trapped than ever and more empty than ever before. And somehow, some way, she was able to manage to find a way to be civil with her parents, not because she wanted to, but because she quite literally did not have another option. She had no education, she had no money, she had no friends. She had absolutely nobody to help her. The only person who gave her a slimmer of hope, shockingly, was her own father. In the year 2000, he was working as a maintenance man at Donald Trump's Mar A Lago club in Palm beach, and he got her job that paid $9 an hour working as a locker room attendant at the spa. It was also at Mar a Lago that her path would cross with Ghislaine Maxwell's. One hot day, as Virginia was walking towards the spa in her uniform, carrying a library book about anatomy filled with savage sticky notes, a car slowed down behind her. Ghislaine Maxwell stepped out and followed her inside. Maxwell, looking like a polished, polite British woman, struck up a conversation and noticed Virginia's interest in massage therapy. With a warm smile and a fake friendly demeanor, Maxwell told her about a wealthy man that she knew who was looking for a traveling massage therapist. No experience necessary. That man was Jeffrey Epstein. What seemed like a chance encounter and what Virginia looked at as hope for her future was actually a calculated recruitment by a predator who had perfected the act of identifying vulnerable young girls. Virginia agreed to meet Epstein that evening for an interview at his house, having no idea that crossing the threshold of his Palm beach mansion would trap her in years of trafficking, abuse and exploitation. That day after her shift, her father, sky, drove her to Epstein's mansion, dropping her off and waving off just Lane with a smile. A different time, he dropped off again, waving goodbye to Epstein as he escorted Virginia into his house, saying to his father, quote, we will take good care of her. It would be years, and this is heartbreaking, but it would be years before Virginia discovered that Epstein had been paying Virginius father in secret for all of those times that he delivered her straight to his door. In most, if not all, the pictures of Epstein's house that can be found online, the house is shown as white. But in the book, Virginia states that Epstein's house was actually pink. It was covered in pink. Pink on the outside, pink on the inside. Walls and carpets were also pink. Everything was pink. Epstein saying that the reason for that being that his favorite color of a woman's body part was pink, and he wanted to match that. Is that not the most disturbing thing you ever heard? The color pink, however, was the least alarming thing inside of that house. Once Epstein trusted Virginia enough to show her a hidden doorway next to some paintings. It was a room with a hidden entrance, so you wouldn't notice it if you just walked right past it. But in that room, Epstein had chosen to cover it for floor to ceiling with pictures of girls wearing nothing. When he showed her that room for the first time, he said to her, quote, look at my conquest. Look at how powerful I am. End quote. Later on, for his 48th birthday, Ghislaine Maxwell photographed Virginia in similar ways to the other girls in those photos, because that was the only thing that Epstein wanted for his birthday. Pictures of Virginia to add to his collection of his disgusting, resting, secret room. On another occasion, Epstein also showed Virginia a plethora of videotapes that he had recorded and watched from the room in which he monitored the camera feeds in every single room in the house. Virginia Giuffre was sexually abused the very first time that she stepped foot in Epstein's house. Within their first conversation, Epstein asked her if she was on birth control and asked her to tell him about her first time having nothing to lose. Virginia explained her previous sexual abuse to him, and Epstein only responded to listening to those horrific things by calling her a naughty girl. That night ended with Virginia showering Epstein, Ghislaine showing her how to scrub him with with a soap and loofah, and Epstein then handing her $200. Virginia explains in her book that it took her years to learn that when children are abused by people who they love, they confused love and pain. And she grew up in a world where adult men abused children and nobody did a thing about it. In her mind, as a child growing up, only knowing that it made her think that it was normal and that that was just the way that life was. Things got to a point where Epstein wanted Virginia to quit her job at Mar A Lago for her to be available for him at any time, any day. She was practically on call for Epstein and Maxwell. Even at times, in the middle of the night, her phone would ring. Maxwell would say something along the lines of, Epstein needs you. And Virginia would be headed off to the pink house. More oftentimes than not, there would also be other young girls in that house. At the same time, Epstein would engage in intimate activities with all of them against their will, and he also made them get tested for any diseases on a regular basis. Not for their sake, but for his own. When she quit her job, Epstein gave Virginia a wad of cash and told her to rent herself an apartment. He also pulled out a printed picture and slid it across his desk. It was a picture of Sky Die, her little brother and the person that Virginia adored the most in this world. With the picture in hand, Epstein said to her with a big smile on his face, quote, we know where your brother goes to school. You must never tell a soul what goes on in this house. And I own the Palm Beach Police Department. So they wouldn't do a thing about. Was still in the year 2000 that Virginia took her first trip with Epstein and Maxwell. Eventually, when Maxwell helped Virginia get her first ever passport, Maxwell would forcefully take it from her on any trips that they went on to avoid Virginia being able to escape without them. In his private plane, they flew from Palm beach to New York and then to his 72 acre island, Little Saint James, which he liked to call Little Saint Jeff's. Virginia being available at all times for both him and Maxwell continued, no matter what property of his they were in, no matter in what city or state or country. And what Epstein demanded of Virginia was not always intimate acts. Virginia was to shower Jeffrey by scrubbing him down. She got him dressed, putting lotion on his feet before putting socks on and rolling them down to be just the way that he liked them. Holding his pants with the leg holes open for him to step into, tucking him into his bed in his pink sheets and massaging his feet underneath the covers, then massaging his scalp until he felt soothed enough. Only then was she allowed to pull the covers up to his chin before exiting the room quietly. And sooner than later, what was expected of Virginia would once again escalate. When Jeffrey Epstein began lending her out to him and Maxwell's friends, it was at first what she referred to as billionaire number one and his wife. She was told to give billionaire the same kind of massages that she gave to Epstein that night she slept with old man. And she remembers Epstein being extremely proud of her. Remember when I said that Virginia wanting to feel like she was needed or at the very least wanted, was a feeling that Virginia would chase. Epstein and Maxwell, like I said previously, were the only people ever in her entire life who told Virginia that they were proud of her, that she did a good job, that she performed well. Epstein would call her his special girl. And even though obviously the entire situation is just about as bad as it can get, she did get a comforting feeling when Epstein would look at her in the eyes and tell her how proud he was of her. And she chased that feeling for a very, very long time. Which is why she kept doing what she did, servicing so many of his friends. She wanted to make him proud, even if it was for all of the wrong reasons. Those reasons also eventually became why Virginia began recruiting girls for Epstein. His type, preferably white, with wholesome girl next door looks that made them appear between 12 to 17 years old, no piercings, no tattoos and girls who were desperate enough. It was also preferred that Virginia go out to look for girls around Epstein's house to bring home to Epstein at 3pm in the afternoon because that was the time that high school girls got out and high school girls would be walking home. The second person that Virginia was ever sent to was on the island and it was to a man who she described to be a psychology professor. Epstein was helping fund that professor's research and when introducing him to Virginia, he told her, quote, keep him happy like you did with your first client, end quote. That professor then asked for quote, one of your famous massages that Jeffrey has told me so much about. And Virginia then slept with him. That took place on the island Little St. James. And it was also on that island that Virginia was multiple times by Jean Luc Brunel. Brunel was in his 50s. He was also a very very well known person. He ran a modeling agency and was very very good friends with Jeffrey Epstein. Epstein for one of Jeffrey Epstein's. Brunel once sent him three girls, all French, all 12 years old to do as he pleased with them. Epstein slept with all three of them and then put them back on a plane to France. Brunel did the same thing with underage girls from Brazil. They were delivered to Epstein's front door. He slept with them and then put them on a plane back to Brazil. Epstein and Maxwell would also return those same favors to Brunel. Allegedly Brunel handed EPSTEIN More than 1,000 girls over the course of their friendship. Brunel of course also was not the only high profile person that Virginia was introduced to throughout her time with Epstein and Maxwell. She also saw others constantly coming over, whether it was for dinner or just to talk to Epstein about business or flying with them on Epstein's private planes. She also saw so many big names often out at parties. Those included people like former US President Bill Clinton, billionaire Les Wexner, the Simpsons creator Matthew Groening, scientist John Brokeman who hosted a billionaires dinner and she was taken to one of Heidi Klum's party as well. With those men that I just named. Virginia did not mention in her book engaging with intimate acts with them, but they were frequently in contact with Epstein and in or around his properties. On March 10th of 2001, Just Lane woke up Virginia in a singing, songing voice saying, get up out of bed, sleepy head. It was a special day because like Cinderella, she was going to be meeting a very special prince who just so happened to be one of Maxwell's good friends, 41 year old Prince Andrew. When they met, they stood in Maxwell's entry hallway making small talk. And by the way, if I didn't mention it before, throughout this time, Virginia's family was under the impression that she was traveling for work. Not that her parents cared, but at the very least her little brother did. Epstein and Maxwell were her employers at the end of the day and she would tell everyone, especially her little brother, that she was just going on work trips because she didn't want to talk about what was really going on. As the four of them were talking in that hallway, Virginia remembers her mom. She remembers thinking that her mom would be extremely amused that she was hanging out with the one and only Prince Andrew. So before they left for the night, before they went out to the club, she ran to grab her camera and she handed it to Epstein to take a picture of her and the prince. Prince Andrew's arm slid under her waist as Maxwell grinned behind them and Epstein snapped the photo. That image would one day become one of the most infamous photographs in the world and it would haunt the prince and for the rest of his life. The four of them went clubbing and in the car ride home, Maxwell directed Virginia, when we get home, you are to do to him what you do for Jeffrey, end quote. That night she slept with the prince. And for doing such a good job, Epstein paid Virginia $15,000. Virginia slept with the prince for a second time one month later. The third time was on the island. And during that time it wasn't only her and Prince Andrew, it was also Epstein. Epstein along with eight other young girls who didn't really speak English. About a month or so later, In May of 2001, Virginia, along with Epstein and Maxwell attended Naomi Campbell's 31st birthday party. And a photo there taken shows you just how much Virginia stood out of the crowd. Because she looked like she did not belong, because she did not, because she was a child. It was around that time that Virginia was trafficked to billionaire number two, a man who she described to be a 50 year old stranger with thinning brown hair. Following Him. There were dozens of other men, some who requested that she wear outfits, others who wouldn't even look at her. Even one who ignored her as she was servicing him, because the man was instead focusing and fondling with Jeffrey Epstein. But the worst of them all was the Prime Minister. For context, what Epstein and Maxwell did to Virginia seemed to get more and more aggressive over time. He used ropes, gags, a black leather collar around her neck, with chains that bounded her hands and her feet together. At times during their sessions, Virginia would pass out from being in so much pain. And when she would regain consciousness, Epstein would still be on top of her, still doing unspeakable things. But Virginia has described the Prime Minister to be the most most violent of them all. At an island, in a cabana, she was sent to him. And during her time with him, she was in and out of consciousness from being in so much pain. And when she woke up, she would see his face, laughing, continuing to do what he had been doing to her body with such a big smile on his face. After that night with the Prime Minister, Virginia couldn't breathe. She couldn't swallow. Without pain. For days, she dropped to her knees, literally, and begged for Epstein to never sent her back to him again. Writing, quote, I don't know if Epstein feared the man or if he owed him a favor, but he wouldn't make any promises, saying coldly of the politician's brutality, yeah, you'll get that sometimes. End quote. She serviced the Prime Minister once more on Epstein's plane. It was at that point that Virginia was at her absolute lowest point. But it was in the summer of 2002, when Epstein and Maxwell sat her down and told her that they wanted Virginia to have a baby for them, that she knew that she needed to escape. They were so proud of how obedient she had been for the last couple of years, so happy that she did whatever they wanted her to do, whenever they wanted her to do it, without complaining that even though she was getting older and would no longer be the age of girls that ever Epstein preferred for himself, she could still be useful for them by birthing a baby and handing the custody of said baby to both Epstein and Maxwell. Virginia was not willing to birth a child and leave it in the hands of whom she referred to be two halves of a wicked hole. And for the first time in two years, Virginia began planning her escape. She told them that she was on board to have their baby. She told them, yeah, she agreed. But she said that first she wanted to get the one thing that she had Wanted from the very beginning, which was to get training as a masseuse. Virginia Giuffre was 16 years old when she met Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell. For her 19th birthday she was gifted a trip to Thailand to attend an eight week school program where she could get certified in Thai massage. And off she went to Thailand. That was different because any other time that she was with Maxwell and Epstein and they would take her passport when they were traveling together. But by this point, so much time had passed, they trusted her so much that they just sent her off on her own. And that would be when she would escape. In 2002, while traveling in Thailand, 19 year old Virginia met a man named Robert Giuffre. For the first time in years, she got a glimpse of what life could look like. A life outside of Epstein's control, away from the private jets and the mansions that had become her own personal prison. Robert represented something that Virginia had almost forgotten existed. Genuine kindness. And apart from that, actual hope for the future. One night she confided in him. She told him everything and Robert gave her the courage to escape. Robert told her to marry him, said that they could get married and she would never have to return back to the States where she feared that Epstein and Maxwell would go after her. She could go back to Australia with Robert. That's where he lived and that's what they did. Virginia made her decision. She married Robert in Thailand on October 16th of 2002. And that entire time Maxwell had been calling her on the daily. But each time that she ignored the call, she felt a little more brave. And before her wedding day ended, Virginia found the courage to called Jeffrey Epstein. She called him, quote, I fell in love and I got married Jeffrey. I'm never coming back, end quote. Jeffrey said, have a great life before hanging up the phone. Five years passed before she would ever hear from Epstein and Maxwell again. Taking a quick break to talk about today's sponsors. You guys know what nobody tells you about becoming an adult and about a weeknight dinner. 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They called her to inform her that there had been a credible threat on her life. And they advised her to go to the Australian Federal Police immediately. This was years later now, a wife and a mother of three, Virginia had been doing her best to heal from everything that came with being a victim of Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell. But she wasn't naive. She knew, obviously, that weird things had been happening. Signs that someone had broken into her house. Dead bolts mysteriously left unlocked things out of place in the house. Cars driving by at night with their headlights pointing directly at her house. Things that felt like threats, or at the very least, like they were supposed to be sending A message. And by the way, these weird things were not only happening to Virginia, but also to other victims of Epstein and Maxwell's that had managed to escape that world. Of course, this wasn't a new thing. Epstein had previously told Virginia years prior, after sliding a picture of her little brother down his desk and saying, we know where your family lives. You must never tell anyone what happens inside of this house. She knew that this was him, or at the very least, someone who was involved with Epstein and Maxwell in one way or another. After receiving that phone call, Virginia and Robert Giuffre took their three kids, put them in a large mobile home, loaded the dogs and drove eight hours to a town that was completely off grid where they would live for the next three weeks. Quote how do you decide when a credible threat to your life is no longer dangerous? The answer is you don't. After going on social media and seeing people of the public speculating that Virginia would be killed to, quote, protect the ultra rich and well connected, end quote, she felt the need to respond and she did so by stating the following quote, I am making it publicly known that in no way, shape or form am I have made this known to my therapist and gp. If something happens to me, for the sake of my family, do not let this go away and help me protect them. Too many evil people in this world want to see me quieted. Virginia Giuffre was once ran off the road by what she presumed to be tabloid journalist. And In March of 2025 she suffered a terrible car accident. And while she was in the hospital, she made sure to tell all of the people closest to her in her life that in the event of her death, the one thing that she wanted, the one thing that she needed was for her book to be published. On April 1, she wrote the following email to her longtime publicist. Quote, I am reaching out to discuss an important matter regarding my book, Nobody's Girl. It is my heartfelt wish that this work be published regardless of my circumstances at the time. The content of this book is crucial as it aims to shed light on the systemic failures that allow the trafficking of vulnerable individuals across borders. It is imperative that the truth is understood and that the issues surrounding this topic are addressed both for the sake of justice and awareness. In the event of my passing, I would like to ensure that Nobody's Girl is still released. I believe it has the potential to impact many lives and foster necessary discussions about these grave injustices. I kindly ask for your assistance in making this wish a reality. Thank you for your support. Patience and most importantly, love. Three weeks later, Virginia Duffrey would die. By Su. During the two years that Virginia was trafficked by Epstein and Maxwell, there were thousands of comments and conversations she heard that were not only odd, but also alarming. One was what Epstein always said about his death. Over and over again, Epstein told Virginia exactly what would happen to him when he died. That his body would be placed in some sort of cryogenic chamber to be preserved until technology advanced far enough to bring him back to life. He would always tell her that with a big smile on his face. Two years before Epstein's death on August 8th of 2019, Epstein placed all of his wealth into a trust in the Virgin Islands. That trust was called the 1953 Trust, named for his birth year. And I don't know the exact amount of wealth we're talking about, but I do know that after his arrest, he had to fill out some sort of financial disclosure form where his net worth was listed as $559 million, plus multiple more millions in cash, plus six properties, plus stocks and equities. Investigators found $70 million in cash during their search warrant of his New York town home after his arrest. And apart from that, they also found what they described to be an extraordinary volume of incriminating photographs of young girls. Investigators noted it definitely looked like Epstein knew that they were coming because things had been removed from the house. However, they did also find hidden cameras in places such as clocks around the house. And they found massage pads that had notes written to Epstein. One of those notes was from his bestie, Jean Luc Brunel, reading, quote, she is 2x8 16 years old, not blonde. Their findings also included three of Jeffrey Epstein's passports. One from the United States, one from Israel, and one from Austria. One had a picture of Epstein, but his name wasn't Jeffrey. It was a picture of his face, but with a fake name and a home address in Saudi Arabia. In Virginia's opinion, that was proven up that this was a man who had prepared a getaway plan. The second alarming thing that Virginia often heard Epstein talk about was something that he would say in regards to his property in New Mexico. We know how much he loved himself, right? The man had an ego bigger than the entire earth, but he loved himself so much that he would daydream about, quote, improving the human race by fathering many children to carry what he called to be his superior genesis. And he would fantasize about using his New Mexico property at Zorro Ranch as, quote, a literal breeding ground to propagate babies, end Quote, so that's terrifying. But that brings us back to the summer of 2002, when Jeffrey Epstein and Maxwell pushed Virginia Giuffre past her breaking point when they sat her down and asked her to have their baby. Also heartbreaking to know that throughout the time that she was being trafficked, Virginia Giuffre suffered so many internal injuries from the sexual abuse that she was put through at 17 years old. She had been taken to the hospital because something was severely wrong. She didn't know what, but she knew that she was in unbearable pain. Epstein went to the hospital with her and he lied on the paperwork listing her birth year differently, stating that she was 18 years old, when in reality she wasn't. He was also in the room while she was being examined. And Virginia remembers thinking that the doctors weren't even really speaking to her. They told Epstein more about her health than they told her. And during that visit, Epstein and the doctor stepped out to talk alone in the hallway. Quote, my sense was that a gentleman's agreement had been struck between Epstein and the doctor. Whatever was going on between this middle aged man and his teenage acquaintance, the two men seemed to have agree that it would be kept quiet and quote, trigger warning. Real quick here, we're talking about pregnancy and loss. For a second. Virginia suspects that what she went through was a result of an ectopic pregnancy. But if you asked Epstein, he would say that she suffered a miscarriage. Doctors also informed Virginia that she may never be able to have her own children. Luckily, she did go on to have three beautiful babies down the line. A year after that was when they proposed. The A year after the hospital visit was when they proposed the idea of her having their baby. Virginia pretended to be on board with the idea. But before they agreed that she would go to Thailand for that eight week course, she went. She met Robert Giuffre, they got married, she called Epstein and she told him that he was never coming back. The agreement had been that Epstein would pay for everything for Virginia during her time in Thailand. Of course, when she called him to tell him that she wasn't returning and that she was married, he cut her off financially, completely. And her and Robbie managed to find enough money to travel around a little bit before returning back to Australia, where Robbie lived. The beginning of their marriage was no smooth sailing. Yes, they were in love. Yes, they deeply cared for each other and yes, they did want to stay together forever. But the PTSD that Virginia Giuffre would carry with her from her past of being trafficked was so cemented in her that it affected every aspect of her life, especially, especially her romantic life. Disturbing images and memories of Epstein tortured her. She writes about seeing the black leather studded collar that Epstein would use on her and the greedy cruel look on the Prime Minister's face as he watched her beg for her life. Marvin Minsky also haunted her. Minsky was a prominent computer scientist, well known for his co founding MIT's AI laboratory. Memories of him in his his 70s, when he was 56 years older than Virginia to the day because they shared the same birthday, replayed in her head over and over and over again. She serviced him on Epstein's island and she recalls his bald head and the way that his face was so wrinkly it shriveled up. They were in a cabana when it happened and all Virginia could do was try and focus on the sounds of the way behind them to try and not focus on the 70 something year old man on top of her. Quote, when a man has been on top of you, his face inches away from your own, you remember him. You may not remember the exact day or time or date that the man abused you, but his face stays in your mind even when you wish that it wouldn't. On top of that, Virginia had to deal with seeing Epstein and Maxwell's faces on the news as more and more things eventually started to come to the surface. After escaping, Virginia Giuffre did not hear from Epstein north Maxwell for five years. In February of 2006 her and Robbie welcomed their first baby boy into the world. And five months later they found out that they were pregnant with their second. And it was one day in 2007 when her baby was taking a nap. And while she was eight months pregnant, Virginia's phone rang. It was Ghislaine Maxwell. Jeffrey Epstein's name was back in the news. Hi, how's life? I can't believe this, but after everything he's done for all of those girls. Jeffrey is being investigated. Have you been contacted? At that point Virginia hadn't and Ghislaine Maxwell reassured her that as long as she stayed quiet she would be taken care of. Quote, so long as you don't say anything, everything is fine. A few days later Epstein called, trying to play nice while also warning her to stay quiet. And only a few days after that the FBI called and informed Virginia that she had been identified as one of Epstein's victims. Up until that point she had not reported anything to anyone. She was in Australia, she was away from the States. She wanted absolutely nothing to do with it she wasn't interested in the slightest in revisiting that phase of in her life. But the cause kept coming. Reporters and news agencies and journalists had so many questions on if Virginia even was a victim and on what exactly she saw or heard or experienced. But it was mainly two things that eventually pushed Virginia over the edge. To pick up her life in Australia, to move her entire family back to the states to face Epstein and Maxwell head on and fight for justice not only for herself, but for the hundreds, if not thousands of other victims. There were bit of context here before I tell you what those two things were. In July of 2006, Epstein was arrested on two state felony charges to which he pled not guilty to. And In June of 2008, he entered into the most incomprehensible plea agreement that you've ever heard of in your whole entire life. He was only sentenced to 18 months in jail, and he was released after only serving 13. However, for most of his sentence, he had been allowed to go on what they called work release, meaning that he could have literally, he did leave the jail for up to 12 hours a day, six days out of the week, so there was no trial. And he did leave jail and he did continue to abuse and traffic girls throughout that time period. Of course he did. So two things happened that eventually made Virginia's mind up for her to come forward with her story. The first one was a picture released of Jeffrey Epstein and Prince Andrew walking around Central park during the time that the prince was visiting Epstein, and also during the trip in which Epstein threw an A list celebrity party for the prince. Seeing that picture, the two of them walking around happily around New York without a worry in the world. And seeing that even though Epstein had been arrested and had served time, his life seemed to be completely the same. Seeing that picture to Virginia meant that Epstein and Prince Andrew were saying, we are above the law and you can't catch us. She knew then that she would do everything in her power to make sure that the victims got the justice that they deserved. The second thing that solidified her decision in speaking out was the birth of her daughter in January of 2016, 2010. Looking into her daughter's eyes, she could not bear the idea of anyone hurting her in the way that she had been hurt, or any other little girl for that matter. Quote, I would put my neck out on the line to make sure that she never has to go through what I had to go through, end quote. She was ready to fight. She was ready to do what she would have wanted Somebody to do for her or for her daughter or for her sister or for her friend. And with that, in the summer of 2013, the Jew phrase made the movement move back to the United States. For a while, Virginia's name was not public. She had told bits and pieces of her stories, but she had not been publicly named. She was being referred to as Jane Doe number three. It was on January 2nd of 2015 that Ghislaine Maxwell herself identified Virginia. Quote, Jane Doe three is Virginia Roberts. Roberts was her last name before she got married. By the way. Jane Doe number three is Virginia Roberts. Each time the story is retold, it changes with new salacious details about public figures and world leaders. Mrs. Roberts claims are obvious lies and should be treated as such and not publicized as news, as they are defamatory. End quote. Giselle Maxwell is and was incapable of admitting anything. For example, on the record, in regards to Epstein, she said that she didn't really know him that well. Yeah, she didn't really know the guy because they were hardly together and she actually didn't even really ever see the guy because they were always busy and they had busy schedules. Please be so for real. She had also stated that she only ever in her entire life slept with Jeffrey Epstein once because he had a heart condition that would not allow him to engage in much sexual activity. And she herself also happened to have a medical condition that did not allow her to be sexually active that much. No matter how many victims came forward with stories about Maxwell, she has always denied them and she probably always will. One victim said that she was first sexually abused by Epstein and Maxwell when she was only 14 years old, and she stated they robbed her of her innocence and her mental health. Another stated that she had just lost her mother to cancer when she was 11 years old and soon after she was approached by Maxwell and recruited for upstairs. Epstein stating that it was the beginning of the end of her childhood. Another victim stating that she tried to reject Epstein's advances, but that only seemed to excite him more. Maxwell being the one who also recruited her. And another stating that she was abused by Epstein and Maxwell at 14 years old and raped by Epstein at 15. Quote, he stole my chance at feeling love because I was so scared to trust anyone for so many years. End quote. But the amount of stories nor victims have ever mattered to Ghislaine Maxwell. To this day, she maintains her innocence. Shortly after Ghislaine identified Virginia publicly, late one night while she was at home with the kids, she saw headlights pulling into her long driveway. A Car drove in slowly towards her house with the headlights on. And then just stopped right in front of her house. Headlights in through the windows. Virginia was on edge already. Paparazzi had been following her family and constantly with no respect of their privacy. And she was home alone with her three little kids. She rushed to get her daughter out of bed. She called out for her two sons and she made all three of them sit in a closet and told them, quote, I need you to be quiet. I'm going to mostly close this door so you will be safe, but don't be scared. Mom is going to take care of this. And then she grabbed her weapon and waved it into the blinding headlights for five minutes straight. It felt like a face off. Until the driver of the car slowly put the car in reverse and drove off. And then she called the cops. Virginia later learned that other Epstein victims had also experienced this same kind of intimidation. Bright headlights pointed at their windows during the night time. She got cameras for her house as well as deadbolts. But multiple times when she would leave the house and come back, the deadbolts would be broken in two. Once the front door was left wide open and her dog ended up alone on the street. And more than once, the cameras had been moved and pointed to different directions, avoiding catching whoever it was that had been there. Everything that she was going through and facing once her name went public was not only, quote, intrusive, it was dangerous, end quote. And she was faced with this battle of wanting to fight for justice, but also not wanting to put her family in danger. On July 6th of 2019, Jeffrey Epstein was arrested on federal charges related to trafficking. And it felt like after that, it became a domino effect for the men who had once been connected to him. A director from Harvard University had connections and relations with Epstein. The university had received over $9 million in gifts from Epstein. And the program he was the director for would soon shut down. Leon Black resigned as chief executive of Apollo Global Management. Epstein was alleged to have made Victoria's Secret models his victims. And to clean up the disaster that he made there and the allegations regarding their connection, the company spent $90 million to clean up their act. Just Stanley resigned as CEO of Barclays Blank Detouche bank and JP Morgan Chase face lawsuits being accused of profiting from Epstein's trafficking operation. Though settled for 75 million and 290 million in connection to those two banks, there were also 40 victims that came forward, Virginia being one of them, claiming that the banks facilitated Epstein's abuse of them. A different lawsuit alleged that Jess Stanley, a former top executive at JP Morgan, quote, may have been involved in Epstein's trafficking operation. There were court papers showing emails between Jess Stanley and Epstein, and it seems that they were communicating using code words based on Disney characters. 53 year old Stanley emailed Epstein, quote, that was fun. Say hi to Snow White. Epstein's response was, what character would you like next? Beauty and the Beast. Well, one side is available. And then Bill Gates ex wife spoke out saying that although there were several reasons for her divorce, the relationship Bill Gates had with Epstein was definitely one of them. Her name is Melinda. She stated, quote, I did not like that he had meetings with Jeffrey Epstein. No, I made that clear to him. She met Epstein once and she regretted it the second that she walked in that door, describing him as abhorrent and evil personified. Virginia Duffrey's story has been questioned and judged and ripped apart in more ways than one over the years. But in regards to all of those who say that her story is not factional, she admits that in the beginning she did change some details about her stories. For example, the third time that she serviced Prince Andrew was on Epstein's island. In an earlier version of events, she stated that the third time happened in New Mexico instead of on the island. Virginia writes in her book that she had been advised if she changed part of the narrative, then she could not be sued. Quote, I changed those details on purpose, thinking wrongly that I was protecting myself. But when she was ready to to tell her full story, she worked with her incredible team of lawyers to contact all of the major TV networks. Every single one of them wanted to interview Virginia. And she ultimately decided to go with abc. She was eager to finally be able to tell her story. And for 90 minutes she spoke about the worst things, the most vulnerable things that had ever happened to her. She said everything that she knew about Absolute and Maxwell and about how they had organized their trafficking operation. She stated several men that she was trafficked to by name, going into detail about specific times of abuse. She shared the worst things that had ever happened to her and she cried while doing so. And then she waited. But guess what? ABC never aired the interview. Four years later, according to a person whom interviewed Virginia, the reason as to why ABC did not release that interview was because of Epstein's lawyers as well as because of the British royal family. Allegedly, the royals asked them not to air the interview and ABC agreed because they did not want to lose access to Prince William and Kate Middleton in the future. Virginia Giuffre spent years in unimaginable pain, both physical, psychological, and emotional pain. But she refused to let that define her. She escaped. She rebuilt her life. She found love. She became a mother. And then when she could have stayed silent and safe, she chose to fight back. Her decision to come forward helped both send Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell to prison. Her courage gave other survivors the strength they needed to be able to speak out. And even though Virginia isn't here anymore, all of the love and the strength that she poured out into the world is still here. This book was her final testimony. It was her last word. It was her gift to every survivors who's ever been told to stay silent. Virginia wanted this story told. And now I think it's up for us to listen. And I want to end this video with a quote that Virginia left in her book. Quote, never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has. End quote. I don't know why that quote makes me so emotional. Yeah. Extremely horrible. Extremely heavy. It's. I know it's not a story that's easy to listen to, but if you made it all the way to the end. Thank you, guys. Let me know what your thoughts are on this case. And yeah, that's it for me today. I will see you in my next episode. Hope you guys are having the best day. If not, go do something to make it the best day. Make somebody happy. And I will see you in my next episode. Massive kiss on the forehead to every single one of you. Thank you guys so much for tuning into this episode of I wish you were here. As a reminder, you can listen to this podcast anywhere you get your podcast video version also available on YouTube. Love you.