Recorded 7 June 2013.

You can download the m4a file.

In this episode we talk about Vesper, Chatology, and WWDC. But note that this was recorded right before WWDC. So we don’t actually talk about anything announced at WWDC. We know nothing.

Note: there is some echo in the audio in this episode. Sorry about that!

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Some things we mention: