Live from the IDAC booth at Identiverse 2026, Jeff and Jim sit down with Pam Dingle, Director of Identity Standards at Microsoft, to unpack agentic identity. Pam breaks down assistive versus autonomous agents, walks through where standards like SPIFFE and OAuth hold up, and explains the difference between delegation, impersonation, and partition. The conversation also covers credential discovery risk, shared signals and revocation, what enterprises should prioritize now, and the value of hallway conversations at Identiverse.

Connect with Pam: https://www.linkedin.com/in/pameladingle/

OAuth Actor Profile for Delegation: https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-mcguinness-oauth-actor-profile-00.html

Connect with us on LinkedIn:

Jim McDonald: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jimmcdonaldpmp/

Jeff Steadman: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jeffsteadman/

Visit the show on the web at http://idacpodcast.com

Timestamps:

00:00 Intro and Identiverse 2026 vibes

04:01 Defining agentic identity

07:06 Has the earth really shifted

11:38 An old problem thats been bejeweled

15:13 From Nulli Secundus to Microsoft

16:00 How standards are holding up

19:27 Client ID metadata and just in time trust

21:41 Shared signals and the revocation problem

24:43 Deploying agentic identity at scale

28:11 Registries at scale

29:04 Delegation authorization and attenuation

32:33 Delegation vs impersonation vs partition

36:03 The one thing you can fix right now

37:56 Favorite hallway conversation

42:29 The solar system of hallway conversations

45:51 Remembering Kim Cameron

48:00 New voices to watch

52:08 Wrap up and thank you

Keywords: IDAC, Identity at the Center, Jeff Steadman, Jim McDonald, Pam Dingle, Pamela Dingle, Microsoft, Identiverse 2026, agentic identity, agentic AI, non-human identity, delegation, impersonation, SPIFFE, OAuth, identity standards, IAM, digital identity, workload identity