Insider Exposes Details In Nazi Stephen Miller's Insane Marriage? They're Both Psycho

Summary

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IHIP News – Episode Summary

Episode Title: Insider Exposes Details In Nazi Stephen Miller's Insane Marriage? They're Both Psycho

Date: May 25, 2026
Hosts: Jennifer Welch & Angie “Pumps” Sullivan
Guests/Co-hosts: Kylie, Ryan, Seth

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Overview

In this lively, irreverent, and unabashedly progressive roundtable, the IHIP News team ignite their Memorial Day “all skate” with sharp takes on racism, power, sports, and political hypocrisy in the American heartland and beyond. The team cycles through hand-picked news stories, personal anecdotes, and biting commentary—including a viral Michelle Obama clip, small-town Oklahoma scandals, NBA activism, and a deep-dive into the relationship of right-wing firebrands Stephen and Katie Miller. The episode balances comedic catharsis with pointed reflections on politics, morality, and collective action.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Viral Michelle Obama Clip on Why People Voted for Trump

[01:35 – 07:42]

• Michelle Obama’s Message: Michelle speaks empathetically about voters who swung from supporting her husband to voting for Trump, suggesting people act out of a desire for change, not just racist motives.

  • “You can’t just pigeonhole them and say you just don’t care and you’re racist or whatever you’re thinking. This is an act of. I don’t know what else to do.” — Michelle Obama, [02:12]

• Panel's Take:

  • Jennifer praises Michelle’s grace and acknowledges nuance but insists racism remains deeply entwined with Trump support.
    • “Some people for sure voted for Donald Trump because they're racist, but I think a lot of people didn't … We still have a racist problem.” — Jennifer, [02:29]
  • Angie “Pumps” Sullivan adds:
    • “If you're a racist, the only candidate you voted for was Trump. I mean … I don't think there were very many racist that came out for Harrison Walls or, or Biden.” — Pumps, [03:58]
  • Ryan highlights voter ignorance and the New York Times focus group, mocking the idea that people chose Trump for a “second chance.”
    • “Are we so fucking dumb that we think we are going to elect people for president as a second chance offering?” — Jennifer, [06:14]
  • Kylie and Jennifer both note complicity and “passive bigotry” as especially insidious; anyone indifferent to racism is implicated.
    • “If you are okay with racism or it’s not a deal breaker, you are a racist. I think they’re the same thing.” — Kylie, [07:13]
    • “The secret bigotry that people cover up, to me, is the absolute most insidious.” — Jennifer, [07:46]

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2. Oklahoma Grifter “Jerry Cash” (aka J.W. Ross), Kratom Scandal, & GOP Cronyism

[08:20 – 17:09]

• Seth’s Story: Investigation of Senator Markwayne Mullin, Homeland Security chief RFK Jr., and their ties to Jerry Cash (now J.W. Ross), ex-con and kratom entrepreneur.
  • DOJ dropped prosecution of kratom product after mysterious interventions—direct ties to Oklahoma insiders and political influence.
• Jennifer’s Personal Anecdote:
  • “I was probably 22 years old… Jerry, this man comes in… and he’s basically, because for a man in Oklahoma… to admit that he’s into screwing men was very not normal in the Bible Belt.” [10:33]
  • Jennifer reveals Jerry Cash’s bisexuality, subsequent embezzlement prison stint, name change, and reentry as a supplement pusher.
• Discussion on Kratom:
  • “Gas station heroin”—deadly, addictive, barely regulated; the next big addiction frontier.
    • “I’ve taken it before… how many people in a circles have had to detox from Kratom, have died of Kratom overdoses.” — Pumps, [15:22]
  • Jennifer equates kratom peddlers’ culpability to Purdue Pharma's Sackler family.

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3. NBA Activism: Victor Wembanyama (Wimby) Speaks Out

[17:09 – 24:08]

• Jennifer spotlights Thunder/Spurs series—praising Spurs rookie Victor Wembanyama for publicly denouncing civilian deaths and refusing “politically safe” answers.
  • “I think that it’s crazy that some people… make it sound like it’s acceptable. The murder, like the murder of civilians is acceptable.” — Wimby, [18:20]
• The team praises athletes using their platform:
  • “Speaking out for innocent people and… against fascism is not political. It is moral.” — Jennifer, [19:07]
  • Ryan: Celebrities burned out by Trump’s second term; important for public figures to break the silence.
• Kylie and Pumps discuss the risk athletes face, referencing the “shut up and dribble” backlash and how the NBA is more supportive than, e.g., the NFL.
  • “It’s stunning to me that he has to think like, I… live in the United States, and if I say something against this administration, it will have blowback. … This Trump administration for freedom of speech… has really been … trampled on.” — Pumps, [22:00]

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4. Stephen and Katie Miller: “A Match Made in Hell”

[24:11 – 28:50]

• Pumps’ Deep Dive:
  • Pumps summarizes a viral “Super Bad True Love Story” about the Trump administration couple. Katie Miller was manipulative and power-hungry in college; a high school classmate jokes no one could confirm being her friend.
    • “The only thing she loves or values in this world is power. Anyone she attaches to in her life is simply a pawn to feed her addiction to it.” — Pumps, [25:45]
  • Katie’s history of undermining student elections, antagonizing Black history teachers.
  • Both Millers come from privilege and appear to compete in “hatefulness.”
  • Stephen Miller’s notorious high school campaign:
    • “Am I the only one who is sick and tired of being told to pick up our trash when we have plenty of janitors who are paid to do it for us?” — Ryan, [28:28]
• The group scorches both Millers as soulless architects of white nationalist policy and predicts a grim future for them.

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5. Trump’s Greenland Fiasco & American Arrogance

[31:48 – 34:03]

• Ryan’s Story: Trump appoints ex-Louisiana Gov. Jeff Landry as “special envoy” to Greenland—visit is a diplomatic mess.
• Greenlanders dismiss Landry, embarrass him, and highlight American hamfistedness.
  • Jennifer: Landry is “a brown nosing rube...putting on display in Greenland: Americans are stupid and confident at the same time.”
• Seth: The incident exemplifies U.S. political buffoonery on a world stage.

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6. College Athletics, NIL Money, and Anti-Black Racism

[37:47 – 46:09]

• Jennifer floats the NAACP’s proposal: Black athletes should refuse to play in southern states with worsening anti-Black bigotry and voting rights suppression.
  • “Every racist I know in Oklahoma is a die hard Oklahoma Sooner football fan…their whole identity is wrapped up into cheering on Black athletes.” — Jennifer, [38:49]
• Angie recalls hoping women athletes would boycott Oklahoma after its abortion ban (they didn’t); laments the financial bind for athletes (NIL money matters more at big, racist schools).
• Jennifer emphasizes the stakes: “civil rights take sacrifice,” and only direct actions—like shifting sports recruitment—can shake up systemic racism.
• “We’re not putting everything on the table right now and we’re not understanding how serious this is for Black people. We are letting our color and our privilege show.” — Jennifer, [42:56]

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

| Timestamp | Speaker | Quote | |-----------|-----------|-------| | 02:12 | Michelle Obama (clip) | “You can’t just pigeonhole them and say you just don’t care and you’re racist or whatever you’re thinking. This is an act of. I don’t know what else to do.” | | 06:14 | Jennifer | “Are we so fucking dumb that we think we are going to elect people for president as a second chance offering?” | | 10:33 | Jennifer | "He goes, 'I like boys, I like girls, and I like boys and girls. I’m Jerry Cash. I’d like to buy you both a drink.' I'll never forget it as long as I live." | | 15:22 | Pumps | “I’ve taken it before…how many people…have had to detox from Kratom, have died of Kratom overdoses. Like it’s the next big frontier in addiction because it’s so readily available.” | | 18:20 | Wimby | “Every day I wake up and see the news, and I'm horrified. … The murder of civilians is acceptable. … I'm conscious also that saying everything…on my mind would have a cusp that's too great for me right now.” | | 19:07 | Jennifer | “Speaking out for innocent people and…against fascism is not political. It is moral.” | | 22:00 | Pumps | “It’s stunning to me that he has to think like, I…live in the United States, and if I say something against this administration, it will have blowback.” | | 25:45 | Pumps | “The only thing she loves or values in this world is power. Anyone she attaches to…is simply a pawn to feed her addiction to it.” | | 28:28 | Stephen Miller (HS quote) | “Am I the only one who is sick and tired of being told to pick up our trash when we have plenty of janitors who are paid to do it for us?” | | 38:49 | Jennifer | “Every racist I know in Oklahoma is a die hard Oklahoma Sooner football fan…their whole identity is wrapped up into cheering on Black athletes.” | | 42:56 | Jennifer | “We’re not putting everything on the table right now and we’re not understanding how serious this is for Black people. We are letting our color and our privilege show.” |

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Additional Highlights

• Basketball Banter: Extended, funny debate over Thunder vs. Knicks fandom and basketball fan culture.
• Comic Relief: Off-topic riffing about Wimby’s anatomy (“Of course it’s probably donkey/horse, yeah, teetering scale-wise.” — Jennifer, [31:26]), and the show’s notorious willingness to get rowdy.
• Meta-Moment: The episode turns introspective about the show's (and modern America’s) role in confronting—not just satirizing—white supremacy and injustice.

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• 01:35 – Michelle Obama Clip & Reactions
• 08:20 – Seth’s Oklahoma Kratom Scandal Story
• 17:09 – Thunder/Sports, Victor Wembanyama’s Activism
• 24:11 – Inside the Stephen Miller Marriage
• 31:48 – Trump’s Greenland Envoy Trainwreck
• 37:47 – Black Athletes, NCAA, and Anti-Racism Proposals (NAACP)

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Tone & Language

The conversation is direct, full of gallows humor, and often explicit, embracing its progressive, anti-MAGA bias loud and proud. The hosts and panel trade in sarcasm, personal stories, and expletive-laced passion, creating both comedic and cathartic release for their likely left-leaning audience.

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For listeners who missed the episode:
You’ll walk away with a sense of the team’s righteous anger, razor-sharp wit, and nuanced but uncompromising take on American racism, political hypocrisy, and cultural contradiction—plus plenty of laughs about Thunder fandom and the fundamental ridiculousness of Trump-world grifters.

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Transcript

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[Jennifer]

Happy Memorial Day. It is an all skate with all of the I've had it. I hip news people on board today. Of course I am. Jennifer. She is. Pumps. Pumps, Raise your hand. There she goes. She is Kylie. And then we have Ryan and then we have Seth. How is everybody? Happy Memorial Day. How it's going to go is I've asked each member of our team to pick a story they would like to share with the class. And I want to call on Kylie first.

[Kylie]

Okay. At first, I've got this clip of Michelle Obama. She went on this podcast and this clip went viral. And I'm super interested to get your response on it.

[Pumps]

Okay. Yeah.

[Michelle Obama Clip Speaker]

I can't look some people in the face and tell them you have no right to be angry or to do something that maybe is against your own interest. That's what, that's human nature. Many of the people who voted for my husband twice, twice. And I know that that's how they feel. It's like, this isn't, this isn't about anything other than I'm just, we need, we need something different.

[Beth]

They voted for Donald Trump. Yeah.

[Michelle Obama Clip Speaker]

You know, that's a lot of people. So you can't just pigeonhole them and say you just don't care and you're racist or whatever you're thinking. This is an act of. I don't know what else to do.

[Jennifer]

I do think some people for sure voted for Donald Trump because they're racist, but I think a lot of people didn't And I also think that black people, particularly somebody like Michelle Obama, who's in that position, are very cautious about how they speak about accusing somebody of being racist, and they are intimately aware of the backlash for doing that. And she's correct that some people that voted for Obama twice then voted for Trump. And in those, those individual cases, I would say that perhaps those people aren't racist. But I definitely, growing up in Oklahoma, I've heard a lot of racist shit said about Michelle Obama and Barack Obama, and I think we still have a racist problem. But I don't want to be in the business of Michelle Obama's. Incredible. We're lucky that she's publicly speaking now and podcasts. She's an inspiration for women, and particularly black women who always get pushed to the bottom of the totem pole. But it's interesting. She's very educated. She's a lot smarter than I am. She's a lot more mature than I am. She's a lot better person than I am. Michelle Obama.

[Pumps]

Yeah, I, I completely agree. I don't think that only racists voted for Trump, but I think if you're a racist, the only candidate you voted for was Trump. I mean, I don't think they're all racist, but I don't think there were very many racist that came out for Harrison Walls or, or Biden. I just don't.

[Jennifer]

Yeah, I, I think, I think that's probably right. And I think that, that it's our job to call them out, because I think black people get an additional layer of racism piled onto them when they call it out, which is unfair. Seth, you sound like you were going to say something.

[Seth]

What do you think about. Do you think there was a large swath of the electorate that I feel like as Americans, we've kind of gone into this cycle where everything goes by so quickly. Do you think that there were voters out there that, like, have such short term American memory that they forgot how shitty he was in his first term and they just voted for him?

[Jennifer]

Totally. Totally. We are, we have no attention span. We're really, I mean, culturally very instant gratification, impulsive. We're a lot of bad things. And Trump is a representation of all of our worst character defects into one person.

[Ryan]

Now, you can't underestimate how dumb some of these people are that are voting. I mean, I remember I was reading a focus group that we talked about on one of the IB News episodes of people that voted for Trump and Now regret it. One of these people said that the reason that they voted for him was because they thought that he was going to completely abolish all taxes so they would never. They would not pay taxes at all anymore. So I think that he's not. That's true. So I think it's kind of exactly like Pump said, you know, if you're racist, you voted for Donald Trump. But not every person who voted for Donald Trump is racist. That being said, they are enabling racist.

[Jennifer]

So they're okay with, fine with. Right, right. It's not it. I do think I remember that focus group. It was a New York Times focus group. And you and I talked about it a lot, Ryan. And the one thing that was so stunning to me about it is this was said multiple times. I think there were 12 people in the focus group total. And, and like eight out of the 12 had said, I thought he learned his lesson. I remember sitting there thinking, are we so fucking dumb that we think that we are going to elect people for president as a second chance offering? Like, that's what you say to your kid. Like, look, last time you took my car out, you wrecked it. And I just got a brand new car. And you know, let's say the kid wrecks it four or five times, they bring it back. Well, I thought you had learned your lesson. You know, it's just like, it's, it's insane that the bar is so low for representation. The erosion that he and other politicians have done. Kylie, what do you think about Michelle Obama?

[Kylie]

I agree. I think everyone here hit a good point and a lot of people online agree with this. I saw a lot of people that just immediately clapped back with, we're talking about the party that made the monkey meme, the AI monkey, all of this racist. But coming from where we live, I know with a lot of frustration, I think there's some truth to what she said. But I also think that if you are okay with racism or it's not a deal breaker, you are a racist. I just think, I think they're the same thing.

[Jennifer]

I completely agree with that at that point.

[Kylie]

I disagree with Michelle.

[Jennifer]

I think they're almost worse. I think I would rather be around somebody who just owns who they are than somebody who covers for somebody who is homophobic or racist. The people that partake in it in a passive way, secretly, that is the most. Those are the most insidious forms of bigotry. Those are the forms of bigotry that have the most air. The secret bigotry that people cover up, to me is the absolute most insidious. Okay, let's See who is next. Let's go to Seth. So Seth, what is your story?

[Seth]

Okay, so as we're all woefully aware, Senator Booster Box, Mark Wayne Mullen is no longer just an Oklahoma problem. He's now a national, maybe even international problem that everybody has to deal with. And so my first, I've got two slides here. The first one, this was a Kansas City Star opinion piece that they, they posted about a month ago. And in it he says how Kratom giant got what it wanted from RFK and new Homeland Security chief Opinion. And you'll look at this photo here and it says Secretary Kennedy with his friend and Botanic Tonics founder J.W. ross. I want you to remember the name J.W. ross and I'm going to read you just a short little excerpt from this, from this opinion piece. A funny thing happened down in Oklahoma. In December, after two years of inaction caused by a federal court backlog, the Justice Department finally won a key ruling in its case against the makers of Feel Free, a controversial and widely popular gas station drug that claims to been the property of the proprietary mix of Kratom and Kava. The decision put the government in position to present evidence, test its claims and potentially shut down a company whose product has faced widespread allegations of harm. But 12 days later, the DOJ walked away from its own case.

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Why?

[Seth]

The answer likely has something to do with the overlapping relationship between United States Secretary of Health and Human Services Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Mark Wayne Mullen, the former U.S. senator from Oklahoma who recently appointed Homeland Security Secretary, and a convicted fraudster named Jerry Cash. And you might say, who's Jerry Cash?

[Jennifer]

Well, I know exactly who Jerry Cash is. I know Jerry Cash.

[Seth]

Jerry Cash is J.W. ross, his name after leaving prison for embezzlement.

[Jennifer]

Okay, so this is how small Oklahoma City is, you guys. None of us knew whose stories were here at this time, but Jerry Cash lived in Oklahoma City. His name was Jerry Cash and he was an oil and gas guy. Big swinging dick oil and gas guy. And years ago, before I met Josh and had my children, I went to a bar with my gay roommate. At the time, his name was Ryan. And I was waiting for Ryan to get off work. Ryan gets off work. We sent down at the bar. Ryan is this gorgeous, I mean drop dead gorgeous. Looks like a Calvin Klein model gay man. And Jerry, this man comes in and sits down next to us at the bar and he kind of talks to me and then he turns and talks to Ryan and he talks to me and then he talks to Ryan. I Go, what's your deal? Are you into me or him? And he goes, I like boys, I like girls, and I like boys and girls. I'm Jerry Cash. I'd like to buy you both a drink. I'll never forget it as long as I live. I was probably 22 years old, and I remember Ryan and I were like, who is this weirdo? And he's basically because for a man in Oklahoma, that presents the way Jerry Cash presented, which was kind of oil guy, cowboy. To admit that he's into screwing men was very not normal in the Bible Belt. So fast forward and Jerry Cash marries a woman, and they're building this huge house, remodeling this huge house in Nichols Hills. And then Jerry Cash goes to prison for some sort of to do with,

[Seth]

I'm sure from his former company.

[Jennifer]

That's what it was, embezzling. So he goes off to federal prison, and then he gets out of federal prison, and he rebrands to J.W. ross and goes out to California, changes his name, wife stays with him the whole time, and then she changes her name too. And. And then, of course, now he's traded her in for a younger model, and he's into this Kratom, which this guy's just a total. It's perfect that he's friends with RFK Jr.

[Pumps]

He's.

[Jennifer]

It's perfect that he's in the whole Trump regime because he likes boys, he likes girls, and he likes boys and girls. I died when you put that upset because I knew immediately that J.W. ross was Jerry Cash. And I will never, as long as I live, ever forget the time that my friend and I were sitting at the bar and got hit on by the same man who openly talked about his bisexuality, which was something that Oklahoma men are just were not that comfortable with doing. And then there was, you know, I mean, he's just a complete train wreck. But, yeah, it makes perfect sense that he's selling Kratom all over the place.

[Seth]

He actually started a company in Broken Bow, Oklahoma. And then this actually brings up my next slide on Mark Wayne Mullen. So this was put up by Punch up on their substack earlier this month. DHS secretary under fire over large quote, gas station heroin investment. And it says that Mark Wayne Mullen pushed a federal Kratom crackdown while holding stake of up to 1 million in a company that sells it. And I'm willing to bet that that company may be in Broken Bow, Oklahoma, and may involve our buddy Jerry.

[Jennifer]

I'm kind of willing to bet that Mark Wayne Mullen with a few belts in him would be the type of guy that would say I like boys, I like girls and I like boys and girls. You know, there's a real fine line. Kylie and I talk about this all the time. There's a real fine line between like rural people and lesbians or rural people and, and these, you know, bisexual men that like to like to switch hit. And so that' why there's just, you know, all. That's why the number one goal in places of the Bible but is to suppress sexuality. You know, because they're all, you know, they're all wanting to everybody, boys, girls,

[Seth]

you know, maybe that's what the Kratom's for. They're self medicating.

[Ryan]

I will ask a really dumb question. Yeah, what, what is Kratom?

[Jennifer]

Itic opiate.

[Ryan]

Okay.

[Jennifer]

That people take and it simulates heroin or painkillers.

[Ryan]

Got it.

[Jennifer]

It's, it's horrible. There's been deaths

[Seth]

called seven. Oh, the big one is, I was

[Pumps]

going to say like they're like. Because I've taken it before and it, it's unbelievable like how many people in a circles have like had to detox from Kratom, have died of Kratom overdoses. Like it's the next big frontier in addiction because it's so readily available.

[Kylie]

Well, and they push it to help addicts, right?

[Seth]

Yeah, that's how they, it's marketed specifically for that kind of thing.

[Jennifer]

Yeah. And Jerry and Jerry Cash in Oklahoma City after he went through the, you know, big swinging dick, you know, out at bars he went, was sober, he was a sober person. Then he went off to prison and then now he's got this reach around, pun intended. Wonder how pun intended that. Yeah, he got out of federal prison. He has a reach around to his sobriety and his financial problems with this Kratom. But a lot of people market shit to addicts and it's to me the outrage that everybody had for the Sackler family you need to have for these pushers of Kratom and the pharmaceutical industry at large and now all of these supplements and shit. Because addiction is something that just hits everybody. I mean it affects conservatives, maga, gays, straights. I like boys, I like girls. It affects all of them. I like both.

[Seth]

And Trump is the perfect guy for all of these shysters that love just stealing money off of hurting people. He's the perfect guy to have an office to just, oh, let's kick this regulation investigation under the rug so Mark Wayne can keep his million dollar Investment in gas station heroin. It all clocks.

[Jennifer]

Okay, I'm gonna go next. Now I would like to play a video. So all of us on this stream right now, we're all Oklahoma City Thunder fan fans. Ryan was kind of. He said, no, he is. He's a basketball plant basketball fan. And we told him in order to work for us that he needed to be a Thunder fan. So he met us at the Thunder bar. And I was able to pull that off because the head of my HR is my personal assistant, Anna, who happens to be Kylie's girlfriend. So I told Anna, if you get an HR complaint, because I told the new hire, Ryan, that he had to be a Thunder fan, rip it up and throw it in the trash. And so we've just moved on. So I digress. Everybody is a Thunder fan on this stream, and I love the Oklahoma City Thunder, but I. And we're playing right now, currently the San Antonio Spurs. And I have to say, I have to give credit where credit is due. Wimby is not only a sensation on the court, he is the real deal as a human being. He was asked about ice, and he used his platform and he said this. Play the clip.

[Wimby (NBA Player)]

PR has tried, but I'm not going to sit here and give some. Clearly correct. You know, I know. I mean, I'm. This. Every day I wake up and see the news, and I'm horrified. I think that it's crazy that some people might make it seem like. Or make it sound like it's acceptable. The murder, like the murder of civilians is acceptable. You know, every day, I mean, I read the news and I'm. Sometimes I'm asking very deep questions about my own life. But, you know, I'm conscious also that saying everything, you know, that's on my mind would have a cusp that's too great for me right now. So it's. I'd rather not get into too many details.

[Jennifer]

Okay. So I just think that people of conscience need to speak out about this. It is not political. Speaking out for innocent people and speaking out for human rights and speaking out against fascism is not political. It is moral. And I don't even consider our podcast to be political anymore. I consider it to be one of morals. Because right now you see two distinct camps. People that suck up to fascists, people who are too cowardice to speak out to fascists. And then you see the fighters and the people who remain silent are every bit as bad to me as the people who, like Stephen Miller, who openly, brazenly bask in their support of Fascism and their support of bigotry. And then you have the fighters and all of us here. This is a starting five of fighters. I'm Wimby or sga. You can be Shay.

[Kylie]

I'll be chat.

[Jennifer]

Okay.

[Seth]

I'm Nick Collison.

[Jennifer]

That's okay. I like it. See, he is a Thunder.

[Ryan]

Nick, I am a basketball fan.

[Jennifer]

So what are your, what are your. What's your opinion on Wimby, you guys?

[Ryan]

Hell, yeah. I mean, he, he is watching. First of all, watching him play basketball is just unbelievable. Like, just such an unbelievable talent. And to have a platform like that and to know that you're going to get so much pushback, especially being a foreigner playing in the U.S. i think there are so many celebrities and just people who feel so burnt out from this administration, and I think maybe that's a small part in why there aren't as many people speaking out as there were during Trump's first term. But it's so important because the stuff that he's doing right now is some of the worst stuff he's ever done, and we need more people speaking out about it.

[Kylie]

Let me ask a question, because I took part of what he said as him being kind of honest that maybe he would get in trouble with the NBA if he spoke out or the other camp would be. He would just get a lot of blowback from fans.

[Pumps]

What did you think when I heard that. Okay, first of all, San Antonio, San Antonio, former head coach Greg Popovich is extremely politically active and very progressive. So for him to say that about, I don't want to get in trouble, I kind of felt like it was more NBA fan. I think that with the shut up and dribble crowd, I think that that whole movement has had a chilling effect on these players. But again, the NBA empowers their players to speak out way more than, like, the NFL. But I just thought, you know, here's the deal. It's the. It's anyone's First Amendment right to say how they feel. Yes, you have to expect the consequences. But it's stunning to me that he has to think like, I live, you know, I'm currently live in the United States, and if I say something against this administration, it will have blowback. I might have to have my visa pulled or, or whatever the ramifications that he's thinking of. And I just think that it's a sad, sad day. This Trump administration for freedom of speech, assembly, all the freedoms that we are so used to and take for granted. I think that they have really been like, trampled on in this administration.

[Seth]

Yeah.

[Jennifer]

Foreign and from France. And he chose to do it. Shows you how cowardice a lot of Americans are.

[Pumps]

Yes.

[Jennifer]

And so I'm Team Wemby. Go ahead, Seth.

[Seth]

Yeah, I took it as just more of a hit at the administration and, like, how eager they are to silence people because, like, imagine the. Just the perspective of being a world famous immigrant or a world famous foreigner living in the United States and being beloved and then seeing people that are just like you from other countries living in America, being ripped from their homes, having their children ripped from them, being shot in the street and having to come to terms with the fact, like, oh, the real difference between me and them is I'm accepted because I have money and a skill that people will put aside. They'll put aside my blackness and my being foreign because I'm good at basketball. But if I were Joe Blow making 40 grand a year, I'm fair game to get killed in the street.

[Jennifer]

Yep, agree. All right, Pumps. What's your story?

[Pumps]

Okay. Mine is so delicious. I have gone down the Katie Miller rabbit hole. I'm. I'm embarrassed to admit it, but I have. So I found this article regarding Katie and Steven's marriage. Put this up because I thought the title was fabulous. Super bad True Love Story. And it says, two Trump favorites, both alike in ignominy, Stephen Miller and Katie Waldman found love in a hateful place. Okay, this is a great article. It's long, so let me just summarize it for you a little bit. These are two people that are absolutely deplorable. So Katie Miller, in this shot, this is when she got to the University of Florida. She was described as, the only thing she loves or values in this world is power. Anyone she attaches to in her life is simply a pawn to feed her addiction to it. She went around. There was an election for student government at the University of Florida. She went around and took all of the flyers so people couldn't read and be reminded of the candidates and the issues at stake for student government. When she got called out about it, she was completely indignant. Go fuck yourself. Here is encapsulating Katie Miller from high school. The reporter said, if I could find one person that would say they were their friend, were her friend, I should get a Pulitzer Prize.

[Jennifer]

That said a lot.

[Pumps]

And then she. There was at her school, which both she and Stephen Miller are very affluent Jewish families. She goes to the school. She has a teacher in high school that is teaching black history. And Katie Miller says, why do we have to learn history. Why can't we just tell them what happened? Got an argument with her black teacher

[Jennifer]

and quit going to class.

[Pumps]

She is like, I kind of thought, like, how does somebody get married to Stephen Miller? She not only is she as bad, she might be worse. And that is a low bar. Like, I think Stephen Miller is the worst of the worst in this administration. And here's one thing I just thought you guys would love. I have to bring it up. So prior to meeting Katie Walden, who is now Katie Miller, they've only been married since 2020. This is their fourth kid. She or he was at a family dinner and someone asked before he met her, how's your love life? He went ballistic and was like, nobody

[Jennifer]

can talk about that. That is off limits.

[Pumps]

I'm like, of course. Because she's the only person on the planet that would actually go out with him because she's every bit as bad as he is.

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[Pumps]

So those were just my little takeaways that I thought were super interesting about her.

[Kylie]

That'll really make you believe in soulmates, doesn't it?

[Jennifer]

It will.

[Pumps]

Like, how did. She's from Florida, he's from California. How did these hateful people find each other?

[Jennifer]

Republican. Yeah.

[Seth]

Yeah. They say love finds a way. Hate found a way in this. In this regard.

[Jennifer]

For sure.

[Pumps]

For sure.

[Jennifer]

Yeah. I mean, these two people, it just cracks me up how she is, like, she's, you know, into her podcast. She's Americans are short sighted. Maga. Americans are even shorter sighted and they're breeding, they're having all these babies. And I mean, Stephen Miller will be one of the very first, when accountability comes, that with that face and that little body will be one of the very first thrown under the bus. And Trump and others will do it enthusiastically because he just looks like a villain. There is a body of evidence supporting what a villain he is, what a racist he is, how he wants to be a student of Jo Goebbels, etc. And they just, you know, it's high times. Let's all breed. Let's all get pregnant at the same time. And this is, we'll circle back in three years, we'll do a little check in on the Millers. And I can tell you it's not going to be high times champagne and cocaine any longer for those two.

[Ryan]

So when you were reading that, it made me think of this Stephen Miller. He ran for student government in high school. And there's this video of him saying. And I looked up the quote, his pitch to these students is, am I the only one who is sick and tired of being told to pick up our trash when we have plenty of janitors who are paid to do it for us.

[Pumps]

That was in the article.

[Jennifer]

How gross.

[Ryan]

Disgusting.

[Pumps]

It's disgusting.

[Jennifer]

Yeah. Okay. And last but not least, Ryan, I

[Ryan]

will just say that if it is the Thunder and the Knicks in the NBA finals, I will be rooting for the Knicks. And I'm sorry if that's an HR violation. I'll take it up.

[Jennifer]

I'll take it up with honor know playoffs. So you're rooting for the Knicks, huh?

[Ryan]

I am.

[Kylie]

I mean, you're not worried about job security at all?

[Jennifer]

At all? I just went to our list job market as of the end of the finals. Especially if the Knicks win in the Thunderdome. I'll be salty AF and I'll be hiring a new producer will be a distant memory.

[Ryan]

Well, let's hope it doesn't come soon.

[Jennifer]

Here's the thing. I love, I love basketball. And I think it's fun to have to smack talk among friends, you know, cheer for this team, cheer for that team. At the end of the day, all of these guys that play for all of these cities that we care so much about, they can be traded and be in a new city like that. So I think sometimes people take it way too seriously. But I do love the Thunder. And if the Thunder get past Wemby, who is like a freak genetically and is a total physical specimen, if they get and badass, you know, as far as human rights, if they get behind, if they get past him, it will be a clean sweep. The New York Knicks, it's going to be salty. And I plan to go to these games and I'm going to be decked out in OKC merch from head to toe. And I want the use, I want them to just verbally abuse me because that will feel good. I want to be a masochist. I want to be at Madison Square Gardens and face verbal abuse. Because I will like it. I will.

[Ryan]

You will face it.

[Jennifer]

Yeah. I, I, I will enjoy it. Wouldn't you? P.S.

[Pumps]

yeah. And you know what's so funny is you hear about that all the time. But we went to a game there when the Thunder played the Knicks and the Knicks fans were so, so nice to us. Yeah, they were so nice.

[Seth]

Yeah, you gotta have a stir with.

[Pumps]

I asked, but I'm not going to because I am a grown up.

[Kylie]

I think I know what you're gonna ask.

[Pumps]

It's kind of, I mean, I think about it a lot When I what question?

[Jennifer]

Wimby like, oh, you're thinking about his penis.

[Pumps]

Yes.

[Jennifer]

We have got to get pumps laid. It's just unbelievable.

[Pumps]

I mean, you have to work like large.

[Jennifer]

It is tall.

[Pumps]

He cannot have a 4 inch slim. It's just not. It, it's not proportional.

[Jennifer]

Of course, it's probably donkey slash horse. Yeah, teetering scale wise. And of course it's large.

[Seth]

Plus people who call out ice don't have tiny dicks.

[Jennifer]

There you go.

[Pumps]

That's for sure. That's a great.

[Jennifer]

There you go. Great point, Seth. Okay, Ryan, what was your. Besides being a salty future salty Knicks fan, what's your story?

[Ryan]

So Trump hasn't forgotten about wanting to take over Greenland.

[Seth]

So he's.

[Ryan]

He's found Jeff Landry, who's the former governor of Louisiana, and he's made him his special envoy. And he made a visit to Greenland the other day and it didn't go very well for him.

[Beth]

Let me ask y' all something. When's the last time that any high level diplomats came to Greenland, whether it's from Europe or not, Before Donald Trump?

[Jennifer]

Well, that's just more about you.

[Beth]

No, no, no, no, no, that's not. No, that's a question that Greenlanders should ask themselves. Who cares more about Greenlanders than the Trump administration and the President? Because seemingly before the president, no one cared.

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[Ryan]

So that's one of many videos. There's another video of he asks a kid, he says, oh, do you want to take a picture with me? And the kid says, no, like these. It's just such an embarrassment.

[Jennifer]

I've never heard of this guy. He is not a high level diplomat.

[Pumps]

That's what I was gonna say.

[Jennifer]

He is a brown nosing rube. A total rube from Moses, Mike Grinder Johnson's home state of Louisiana. He's a extraordinaire and all he is doing is putting on display in Greenland. Americans are stupid and confident at the same time. They are confident in their stupidity. He just threw a master class. I am dumbest in Greenland right now, but I'm confident. And this is what people think of Americans. Confident in their stupidity, oblivious to the fact that they're stupid. And this is just. Again, we'll do a little circle back with this guy when we check back in with Stephen and Katie Miller. And I guarantee you this guy will be in the fetal position, snot slinging on some, you know, witness. Yeah, yeah, he's bad.

[Pumps]

The only thing I think of when I think of him is he. I mean, Louisiana is poor they don't have health care like they're the poverty rate is huge. And this went in and got involved in the LSU football coaching search this guy. Yes. And Matt and was like pouring like all this money into it and the whole time I'm just like, you don't have enough money for education, for health care, for food, for housing, but you want to put focus all your time and state resources into the LSU football team.

[Jennifer]

And here's the thing, I mean I

[Pumps]

don't know if he's out for reelection but Mike Johnson keeps getting reelected like some people cannot help themselves.

[Jennifer]

No, the Bible belt states as we know. I mean I realized after multiple, multiple, multiple, multiple things that I did in Oklahoma to try to get enact change they the Bible belt people do not want this. They are perfectly fine being bottom 10 states. They are perfectly fine fighting for billionaires while they go broke. They are completely fine with it. And you have to come to that reality because I kept thinking no, if they only knew, right? They know. They know and they don't care. Listener I know a lot of you are parents or pet parents or you just don't like having a lot of unknown chemicals that could be lurking on the surfaces of your home. That's why I want to introduce you to a life changing product that I've been using called Branch Basics. Made from plant and mineral based ingredients, Branch Basics is human, safe and fragrance free, making it perfect for families, especially those with babies, kids or pets. The Branch Basics refill model makes it even easier to keep your home clean year round. Once you run out, all you need to restock is the concentrate and listener. Here's the good news. Branch Basics is now available everywhere you shop. At target, @target.com, amazon, and of course branch basics.com. tossing the toxins has never been more convenient. And for anyone grabbing the premium starter kit, you can still get get 15% [e-mail] with our code IHIP. Just use code IHIP for 15% off the premium starter [e-mail] after you purchase. When they ask where you heard about them, please make sure to mention our show

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[Beth]

Beth and Rip are back in a new series Dutton Ranch streaming on Paramount. Plus Kelly Reilly and Cole Hauser return and this time they're taking on Texas as Beth and Rip begin to build a life together. Peace will have to wait as they face corruption, danger and a ruthless rival ranch willing to protect its secrets at all costs. Legacy is a beautiful thing, but only if it survives. Dutton Ranch starring Cole Hauser, Kelly Reilly, Annette Benning and Ed Harris. Now streaming on Paramount plus let me

[Jennifer]

ask you all this particularly pumps there's been some talk since anti black racism is the largest form of bigotry that is on the rise in the United States of America. But nobody will even really talk about that because you know, we have to talk about everything else before we help our black brothers and sisters in this country. And a lot of people like NAACP I believe and others are suggesting that in these Bible belt states where college football is right there with Jesus, it's like Jesus and in our state, Oklahoma Sooners, that these black athletes should say they will not play football in Alabama, in Florida, in you know, Virginia, I mean Virginia people tried but Texas, etc and I support it. I don't want black people to black athletes to alienate themselves from future career, all of that. But I think it's going to take something that massive because every racist I know in Oklahoma is a die hard Oklahoma Sooner football fan. Their whole identity is wrapped up into cheering on black athletes.

[Pumps]

Yeah. Okay. So when Oklahoma passed the total abortion ban, Oklahoma softball, University of Oklahoma softball is huge. And I thought to myself I wish that women that were being recruited would say I will not come to Oklahoma because women do not have rights. That didn't happen. And then in terms of these athletes going to HBCUs which would be ideal. Here's, here's the fundamental issue. The black athlete is then paying for the racism in the nil era because they make more money going to Alabama, Clemson, Texas, LSU than they do at an HBCU because they have I mean people are willing donors are willing to spend millions and millions and millions of dollars.

[Jennifer]

I think that's the every year that's the point of the in NAACP's proposal is that civil rights take sacrifice and, and that we are what is the next step? What is the next step beyond what they're legally doing with the Supreme Court just did with the Voting Rights act and it takes immense Sacrifice to fight for equality. And we all still look at this through the lens of well, you know, football still needs to be supported. And the financial is. This is an existential issue for black Americans.

[Pumps]

Yeah.

[Jennifer]

And if we keep seeding and not fighting and not helping them, you know, I, I don't. If they go to HBCUs, I think that it could, it could change because until you hit the white man's pocketbook and black athletes could definitely hit their pocketbook, they will just keep exploiting people. And so I think it's going to take some sort of sacrifice. So my question larger than that is, you know, pumps, you know, a lot of racist Oklahoma Sooners football fans. If the black athletes ceased going there and stated because the state of Oklahoma was inherently majority racist, how would that impact the people that you know personally that are racist in Oklahoma, that are die hard Oklahoma Sooners football fans, Would they, would that exacerbate their racism or would that make them think about it?

[Pumps]

It would make them think about it. There's no question. I mean that's the immediate. Like we're only going to go to a blue state, you know, we only want to go to USC or a California school, then that would change the tune. I think it would bring change for the law. I mean I, I really do. I think it would make a monumental impact almost immediately. I just wish there would be a way to punish the fan versus punish the athlete.

[Jennifer]

I don't think it's, I don't. We don't know that those athletes would be funny punished. But I do think you punish these public schools, the University of Oklahoma, look at the way they treated that trans professor teacher's aid and you punish the systems around it to enact change. And I think it's something that, I think major things like that are going to have to happen because it's kind of like that one viral video that I had a while back, like living around a bunch of racists. These people do not ever just live in white culture. They're always dabbling, you know, testing out multiculturalism, Mexican restaurant, Oklahoma City Thunder game, Oklahoma Sooners football game. And they just take and take minority intake, cultural multicultural excellence for granted. And I, I think that this is, I think that's how existential the anti black racism is in this world. I think that we are not listening to what the Supreme Court did with the voting votings right act. And we're not putting everything on the table right now and we're not understanding how serious, serious this is for black people. We are Letting our color and our privilege show.

[Pumps]

I agree. But I still think it's an awful lot to ask of a player that's going to get a 5 million dollar contract. Like I'm going to cut you a check for 5 million to say no. I mean at 18 years old I think that's too, I think that's right.

[Jennifer]

But this is where you work together with other schools and other states to enact change. This is where we're still looking at it like well this is the only opportunity this student has. Where if the student did go to USC or the student did go to ucla where football programs may not be as big and donors who care about stamping out anti black racism, that's where it's all hands on deck where you meet some compromise, where you say look these kids are going to end up in Alabama where they have completely or Tennessee where they have completely gerrymandered the with have zero black representation. Where that Josh Hyp who used to be in Oklahoma Sooners that had Church of Tennessee start with their football program and have some liberal donors in other states pick up the slack. That's what it's going to take. I had Van Latham on the podcast last weekend to speak about issues like this. And this is a serious thing and I think the black community is seriously going to go full tilt on this. And I as will be the biggest, most staunch ally in this support because I believe the anti black racism and the gutting of the Voting Rights act is existential.

[Pumps]

No, I agree. And if they could go and not have to be like give up their opportunity, I would be all for it. And I would move it to like softball programs, women's sports programs. Do not go to states where women do not have rights. Do not go and play sports for estates that will not allow you to vote. Like I would say all of it. I would be all in on all of it if the athletes could come out still earning their position and the nil money.

[Jennifer]

Here's the problem too. What people don't realize with this, what a short sight sided argument it is with nil money right now, they'll use that. But if they're taking away your your representation next they're going to take away your right to vote next they're going to take away your money.

[Pumps]

Yeah.

[Jennifer]

So it is a slippery slope to play patty cake with racists and think that they are going to protect you or think that their systems are going to protect you when they just are taking victory laps right now about dismantling the voting Right. Right Act. So I believe I see your short sighted point. But when it comes to black Americans, we have to be holistic and think about this as a whole point because they are not going to stop at the Voting Rights Act. They will not stop at just that.

[Pumps]

They didn't stop at women. Gay marriage is on the table. You know, it's all of it is on the table.

[Jennifer]

All right. Happy Memorial Day to everybody. Enjoy your Monday. Those were our that is our all skate. And we will be back tomorrow with breaking news if something major happens today. Sorry we're all taking the day off.

[Kylie]

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