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After sleeping on the text exchange released by the prosecutors. You guys, I just want to say I'm calling on it. I do not think these are legit. And I'm not alone. There are bipartisan calls right now that what the prosecutors receive from the FBI is total. It's not making sense. Put this up. Kylie. I am still okay, my love. Now I have a 22 year old son. He doesn't speak this way. A little while longer yet is another quote from the letter. Till we died of old age. Grab. He used grab my unseen a bit over a week. And then he refers to a squad car. He uses the phrase circle back. He refers to his car. And as a vehicle. This is just. There's something incredibly fishy about this. I do not trust Cash Patel's FBI. He's a conspiracy theorist. Dan Bongino is a conspiracy theorist. They had podcasts where they trash talked the FBI for four years, which was their audition to get this job. Their number one thing is that they are Trump loyalist. I'm just not buying that. This kid texted. Ever since the election, my dad's been hardcore maga. If he and this roommate were in a romantic relationship, why do you have to say that? That would be assumed. Why are you giving all these details about changing clothes? I'm just telling you guys, it stinks to high heaven. I'm not buying it. I don't trust anything that this administration puts out. They immediately. Here's one of the main reasons as well as knowing that 22 year olds don't text like this. One of the main reasons is immediately immediately after Charlie Kirk's murder, there was a organized coordinated messaging attack on the right. That this was left wing ideology, that these were leftists that did this. And then within 12 hours it had swollen into left wing transgender terror cells. That's what before they even had this guy. And here's another tell in this letter. In the text exchange, he says the roommate allegedly says, I thought they caught the guy. And then Robinson responds, that was some old crazy dude. So let me get this straight. You're worried about the rifle that you reassembled while you're changing clothes and you're texting all these details to your roommate, but you're also logged into your phone, analyzing, and you know that some guy was picked up and then released. I don't know that I even knew that at that time. And I'm not trying to allegedly stash a murder weapon. I'm calling bullshit. I don't believe this for a second.
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I agree with you. It's too convenient given what you said. The immediate narrative was it was the leftist trans person, but he didn't fit the narrative. White, Christian, maga.
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Mormon.
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Mormon. It did not fit their narrative. And that's never stopped Donald Trump from lying or corruption before, so why should it now?
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And moving along, I want to highlight this tweet from Hassan Piker. He says half the right thinks the messages are fake because it doesn't implicate the trans person. So that's. There's a bunch of people that believe that this is wrong because the messages provide cover for the alleged trans roommate. The other half think the shooter is a patsy because it was Israel that killed Charlie. Kirk Hasan, a leftist, says, I will say the text messages are too perfectly plugging holes for the investigators and unnatural. And what I'm seeing here in Hasan's tweet, you guys, is bizarre bipartisan support. And to fight this fascist regime, it's going to require this. It is going to require people on the far right that have these podcasts and people on the far left to save our Constitution and our First Amendment. And this is the exact same thing that all of these bots and the administration are trying to prevent us from doing. Let's hear from Matt Walsh, what he says about this. This is a far right anti trans nut job. I am leaning very strongly towards the theory that this text exchange was scripted as a way to absolve the boyfriends. His big anti trans. It's almost exactly what Walter White did at the end of Breaking Bad. This feels like a strategy they cooked up from watching too much tv. So this is the far right anti trans movement. He's calling bullshit on it. Hassan Piker's calling bullshit on it. Jennifer and Pumps are calling bullshit on it. I'm calling bullshit. Next up, we have Steve Bannon of the War room. He's not buying it. Play the clip. This is presented in Utah. I'm not buying all of it. I'm particularly not buying those. It just seems too stilted, too, Too much Like a. Too much like a script, actually. A bad script. We've always said that this administration is incompetent. And this is. This is. This is the highlight of this incompetence. But what's so sad about this is this is incredibly dangerous. This is. This is a wild time to live in the United States. And they have eroded the institution so much that with just within nine months, I don't believe an effing word coming out of the FBI. Not one word. Because cash Money Patel is blindly loyal to the cult leader. And then behind the cult leader, you've got the failed drag queen, smokey eye, sociopath, little Smokey. And then it gets even darker. You get to Palantir, you get Elon Musk. You get to these very dark forces. There are people on the far right that see this. They see that people that are more powerful, with more money, with more nefarious intents than Matt Walsh and Steve Bannon. They see that they are sucking up to Trump and they have the bank account that Trump is impressed with. And so there is a very weird time right now where we all need to focus on. Because I believe we're at a precipice. I believe it's going to take some level of bipartisan voices to save this democracy. And I'm starting to see that this could possibly happen. Because if the right wing is calling bullshit on the FBI that they wanted to take over, this is a window that we cannot close the door on. Here's Candace Owens. She's from the Israel camp.
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Messages are clearly doctored is what I would say. They're doctored now. They could decide why they're doing that. Tyler's being forthcoming. We're protecting him in some capacity. I find that to be unacceptable. Okay? Unacceptable. I want every single text message. I want timestamps. It's. It is conspicuous that you are not telling us when this was sent, because it sounds like it's when the campus is on lockdown and he's got to go back, he's got to clean up, and then all of a sudden, we're in the next day when his dad is getting clued in after the picture's been released. They're not telling us that. Okay. And you have a right to be a little bit uncomfortable about that, because I'm a lot a bit uncomfortable about that. We need full answers.
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Okay, so you have exactly what Hasan said. Her. More of her clips. She goes into thinking that this is a false flag from Israel, that the Israelis are all over it. You have the Anti trans people, the Matt Walsh that think that it was that their whole narrative the last few days have been that it is a trans terror cell that was activated. The sleeper cells of trans people, which if you know trans people, you know they're just trying to live and not draw attention to themselves because everybody's so fucking mean to them. And so then I think the truth is this. I think you have an incompetent, completely incompetent and corrupt FBI that's 1000% beholden to kinks. And they are desperate to make this narrative fit that this is left wing because they want to erode civil rights. And here's why they want to do it. Kanks has tapped out, you guys. He's working on retrofitting his private plane that was a gift from Qatar. He's working on his ballroom, he's redecorating the Oval Office. He has this new patio club that he's opened up. He didn't give a shit about all this stuff. But little smokey is there chomping at the bit, perched and ready to pounce on this presidency. He has no riz. He cannot keep the cold together. So they need to have all of the power consolidated in the executive before Kanks, who is like 80, 90 years old. It help biology is going to catch up with him. Another thing that's interesting, Ruth Ben guy has talked about how when the dictator starts showing signs of weakness health wise, the cult starts eroding. So keep an eye on that. We have the bruised hands that are cover up. We have the swollen ankles. We have the clear dementia that this man that we're seeing, that he sometimes doesn't know what's going on. A lot of the time doesn't know. And so you see these other actors around him putting things into place. And I just, I think that this is a time that this is so dangerous because these right wing podcasters exist because of shit talking, trash talking. Is it crazy? Is it insane? Yes. But this is a free country. It is. We exist over here. We try earnestly our best to report facts and then our opinions on those facts. And I'm not accepting this as facts. And here's another tweet of some libs analyzing or leftists analyzing this. I'm not, I try not to be a conspiracy theorist, but I have a really hard time believing. In a short text exchange, the alleged shooter makes his confession, confirms location of the weapon, confirms the type of the weapon, confirms it was wrapped in a towel, confirms his motive, exonerates the decoy. George Zinn. That's what I think too. He exonerates that guy, admits to the bullet engraving. So he even says in this text exchange, remember when I was engraving on the bullets like you, he's, he's covering up too many holes. This is not somebody who's on the run trying to get away with murder. Reminding, remember my dad, super maga? Remember when I spend all my spare time engraving bullets that I'm later going to use for a murder? He confirms the wardrobe change, he confirms how long he's been planning it. Discloses the existence and location of a now destroyed pre written confession note. Randomly tells his boyfriend that his dad is a die hard maggot. As if he wouldn't already know given the nature of their relationship. And is worried about his dad grandpa being upset if he doesn't come home with the rifle, not the fact that he just used it to commit a murder. Not to mention a 22 year old terminally online zoomer using phrases like squad car, drop point, swept the area, my vehicle till I died of old age, my old man. I'm not buying it. I think this is complete and total. I think this is the exact FBI that Trump wanted. He wanted to destroy the enemy from within. He campaigned on it. One of the enemies from within was a FBI department that I believe tried to be truthful and find facts. And he put two dipshit podcasters in charge of the FBI. I'm calling bullshit from top to bottom on this whole thing.
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Two things have stuck out to me about this whole thing in terms of that tweet, the written confession that has disappeared. That to me spells cover up a mile away. Because if it was, I am a trans person that inscribed bullets and against Donald Trump, it would be wall to wall coverage on every news station. And I also look at this and I think, here's the FBI. The most obvious answer cannot be the true one because it does not fit the narrative that Donald Trump and the right want. Exactly. For the reasons you mentioned, they refused to allow this to be a kid that was too online that got radicalized. That goes right down the data. 75% right wing extremism. They do not want to do that and entertain that because it doesn't fit their narrative. So this whole thing, like you said, this is a prosecution's dream. Never does the defendant confess to everything in a text message.
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This is a defense lawyer's dream because they have just released all of this evidence and tainted a jury pool. And I'm just going to say this does. Does this kid does he get a good lawyer? Does he make it out of prison? Now they're already saying he's on suicide watch. We knew what happened to Jeffrey Epstein under Trump's care. I just, I. I question everything about this, and I always go back to immediately, immediately after Charlie Kirk was murdered. There was a coordinated across podcasters from the government to politicians, a coordinated, within an hour or two, blaming the entire thing on this imaginary left wing transgender terror cell, because they know that's the one thing. You have the entire country falling apart. This man is pulling underwater on immigration. That was his big thing. This man is underwater on everything. I don't trust any information coming out about this whatsoever. And here's why. Put up the post. Ron Philipkowski tweeted this with no words. And for the listener, this is Cash Patel, who spells his name K$sign H. And here he is in a camouflage skull with a Santa hat. This is the guy that's running the FBI. This is. This is it. This is a wholly unqualified conspiracy theorist podcaster running the FBI. I don't believe any of it. And within my doubts, there are doubts on the far right, the people that I played here. I feel that we are in such a dangerous, dangerous time. We did an episode a couple of days ago discussing Stephen Miller's plans. Everybody's heard what Pam Bondi's been saying. Everybody's heard what little Smokey's been saying. Everybody knows what Donald Trump's been saying. We're at a time where if we are going to save this country, we are going to have to unite with people that we agree about the First Amendment with to save it. And that's going to be having some very strange bedfellows. But at the end of the day, we are all Americans. And it's interesting to me that all of these foreign bots. And one other thing that I just have to say before we sign off. Do you remember during the press conferences, they said they were working with foreign intelligence? That was really interesting. So I plan to do more research on that so that I am completely red on that. But I just think this stinks to high heaven. I'm calling complete, total, utter bullshit on all of it. I don't buy a word of it. All right, we'll be back later with more news. We'll see you all later.
Hosts: Jennifer Welch & Angie “Pumps” Sullivan
Release Date: September 17, 2025
In this episode, progressive hosts Jennifer Welch and Angie “Pumps” Sullivan examine the controversy swirling around the FBI’s released text messages from the alleged killer of conservative activist Charlie Kirk. With a mixture of skepticism and irreverence, they analyze how both left- and right-wing commentators—usually at odds—are united in questioning the authenticity of these texts. The hosts argue that the messaging fits too perfectly with a political narrative, casting doubt on its legitimacy and implicating Trump loyalists now leading the FBI. Throughout, they highlight the broader dangers this moment poses to democracy and the erosion of public trust in institutions.
Initial Reaction: The hosts and their network are vehemently suspicious of the supposed text exchange between the alleged killer and his roommate—finding the language unnatural and the details far too convenient.
Points of contention with the texts:
Link to broader Trump/FBI trust issues:
Hosts discuss Trump’s weakening grip and the cult of personality around him, noting senior officials’ focus on consolidating power.
Routine, almost comical references to new Trump administration members (“little Smokey,” “Cash Money Patel,” “Kanks”) highlight both disbelief and disdain for the perceived incompetence:
Danger to Democracy:
The hosts and their progressive circles are adamant about challenging state-sanctioned narratives, emphasizing the need for unity across ideological divides to preserve democracy.
The laundry-list problem:
The missing written confession is flagged as emblematic of a cover-up:
The episode is driven by biting skepticism and irreverent humor, mixed with earnest frustration. The hosts alternate between mocking Trump’s circle and earnestly worrying about the state of American democracy and civil liberties. By highlighting an odd moment of left-right unity, they double down on a core message: watchdog journalism and open skepticism are more essential than ever.
Bottom line:
This episode delivers a passionate, deeply skeptical analysis of the FBI’s case against Charlie Kirk’s alleged killer, expressing strong distrust in Trump-aligned institutions. The rare confluence of left- and right-wing doubters serves as both a warning and a call to action: Only bipartisan vigilance, the hosts argue, can protect democracy from further erosion.