Host 2 (3:21)

Right. So they're taking digs at each other back and forth. You know, Doge is no longer in existence. That's like a faint memory to everyone. He, he's not in any way needing to be in Trump's good graces. So he says to himself, look, I think I'm going to show that the MAGA movement really started in Nigeria. I think I'm going to throw that little nugget out there against Trump and then let that sit for about a day or two. Then I'm going to back out and say, oops, sor. Shouldn't have done that.

Host 1 (3:48)

Okay, let's deep dive more into these farms. On these troll farms on Twitter, Jane Kiev tweets, Kylie popped this up. It's almost like everything we've been saying for 10 years about Russia building a global tro farm archipelago to install Trump and rip apart American society was true. Here is magascope. All of these MAGA first, we could show you account after account after account based in Nigeria. And all of their tweets are like, deport Zoran Momdani, I'm an America First American. And at some troll farm overseas that's being paid probably by Putin.

Host 2 (4:33)

And it has that sort of influence. So you see probably these congressmen or senators or people in policymaking positions who will or will not tweet certain things based on the backlash of what they tweet. And the backlash is coming from Nigeria. The back. It's influencing, you know, what is said or not said. And it works. I think the only thing that we did get wrong is that we didn't realize that the Russian propaganda campaign started in Nigeria.

Host 1 (5:02)

Right.

Host 2 (5:03)

But, but yeah, yeah. And what people don't realize is a lot, a lot of tweets that get negative reactions that tends to have some sort of policy effect. And the negative reaction stems from people that are non Existent. So you have these non existent farms that are controlling the debate on social media to a certain extent.

Host 1 (5:26)

And we've often talked about that. MAGA is faking their support. You may remember during the, at the Trump's inauguration, it was supposed to be this big outdoor thing and he is so consumed with crowd size. Really petty things that he's consumed with because he leads with a real fragile, narcissistic ego. First he moved it all indoors and recently he's been at sporting events and been just mercilessly booed. This guy has a 30 something percent approval rating. He is underwater on immigration. And think about it like this. They are getting all of these racist white Americans, which is the core base of Trump's big tent party. You know, it's a big tent that like, oh, you're most racist against black, you're welcome. You're trans. You hate them the most. You're welcome. It's like, you know, diversity and racism in their tent. He's getting all of these people to hate other people, to scapegoat them. So Elon Musk can get government subsidies and milk and be a parasite off the American public. And brown skinned people are the ones over there tweeting this shit out. It's fucking crazy. It's wild.

Host 2 (6:43)

That's right. And sort of validating MAGA's policies and it's just. But it's something that we've said dating back to the 2016 election. Like everybody knows that these bots are in existence and that's what it is. And I think it was Musk's little way of saying, hey, I'm going to throw you guys a nugget. I'm going to show them exactly what this is. Isn't there like an Ivanka Trump, you know, fan page? Yeah, that's based somewhere in overseas. And it's like all this stuff and it's fake, it's false.

Host 1 (7:14)

All of the America first movement are nefarious foreign actors. And I think that the larger thing we need to look at is there is a percentage of the electorate that has been looked over where they live. You came from rural America where the only thing that you have in your life, you have this church and that's where you get all of your culture and being an American. And those are the two cultural components that you have big identifying things. People don't focus on learning a lot of different things. You have basically the same conversation with the same type of person your entire life. A white Christian Republican. And so there's a large portion of the electorate that has been fleeced, lied to, looked over, and they scapegoat people that are black, are brown, are gay to keep their eye off the ball and then play into their one identity. They have I'm a Christian and I'm an American. And it's just such a layup for them to get manipulated online and incubate this, their path into fascism.

Host 2 (8:23)

That's right. And part of that is to the defense of some of the American people. People don't have two to three hours to ferret through what's truthful and what's not online. Like, you get very small bits of information within 5, 10, 20 minutes because a lot of people have to work all day. Like, they get their information sparsely. And so you see these bots, you see this pushback online, you see that for five or 10 minutes, you don't know a backstory, you don't know who it is. You just think, oh, gosh, that's being said, you know, and then your nationalism takes over and you want to root for your country. And it's just real quick thing most people can't digest and spend two to three hours online trying to go through this maze of issues to realize that the government is lying to you. They just don't have that kind of time.

Host 1 (9:09)

And it's a real confirmation bias. Like, if you're super, you know, into nationalism and you're super into your church and you're super into patriarchal worldviews, if somebody tweets something like, you know, look at this leader. He's such a wimp ass beta who hates America. It's this real red meat that people can go and can already confirm their bias and go ahead.

Host 2 (9:38)

Or they say, like, you know, for example, I'm going to side with Jesus and God every single time. Like, they create this narrative that really doesn't exist, but the person goes online and sees that. And yes, me too. I'm with God, I'm with Jesus. So, yes, I agree with that person.

Host 1 (9:52)

Yeah.

Host 2 (9:52)

And then that's how it just starts.

Host 1 (9:53)

And that person is in Nigeria.

Host 2 (9:55)

Yeah. And that person's in Nigeria. And it's a completely false narrative. Like, nobody's saying that. You don't have to be, but they invoke that passion and they. They've done it well since 2016.

Host 1 (10:05)

Okay. This was one of the more interesting accounts that was exposed. It's Joe Rogan podcast news, you guys, this has 1.8 million followers. And they show clips of Joe Rogan's podcast. And everybody knows that Joe Rogan has the largest podcasting audience in the world and he wields a big stick and he allows a lot of this bro culture, toxic masculinity, pseudo science worship of Elon Musk. It all is rampant on his podcast. And so obviously when you have assist accounts like this, it still like, just for our podcast we have our listeners, but then we have our social media clips that get viewed a lot more than an entire episode. The same with Joe Rogan. Well, well, where is Joe Rogan podcast news based? East Asia, in the Pacific. So we're talking about India, Pakistan, somewhere like that. The whole Joe Rogan, Mr. America, I'm going to endorse President Trump. His whole fan club is overseas. And so it's just insane that all of these pro America people, America first, let's deport all of the immigrants are getting hustled by foreign actors.

Host 2 (11:30)

And I noticed that his page had been verified only since 2024. So what does that tell you? Say, I think it started in 2013 or 14. So for 10 years it's just been this rogue bot account. And the fact that, yeah, the hustle is coming from the very same origin of people that you're discriminating against, brown skin people, people from, from that part of the world is amazing.

Host 1 (11:57)

It's amazing that the person, the, the people that run these accounts, the, that feed maga, this overt nationalism, Christian nationalism, all of this souped up, juiced up pride that they need to feel to get through the day because the billionaires in the Republican lying to them for years since Reagan, wealth never trickled down, that if they saw the face of the person behind that account, they would no more let them in America. It would be America last for you. I don't care how much work you did in your bot farm, you're never going to see this soil. It's. The hypocrisy is breathtaking. Okay, moving along. This was some really good analysis by Jim Sterson and he says this right here is why Democrats lost in 2024. We refused to understand the war we are fighting. Elon Musk bought Twitter to convert it to a foreign s cannon. The Biden administration ignored it and let people get brainwashed into an alternate reality. It must stop. And Micah tweets. Democrats have rung the alarm bell about foreign s for almost a decade now. We were laughed at, smeared and called hysterical. And here's a bunch of accounts. You've got Eric Trump fan account, Baron Kai Trump, Caroline Levitt, guess what? All Bangladesh, Macedonia, South Asia, not America. All of these pro American MAGA accounts are not based in America.

Host 2 (13:36)

And I, I think the One thing that Mr. Stewardson said that I think I've said multiple times on this podcast with you, and I quote, we refuse to understand the war we were fighting. You could take that application not just with social media and bots, but in a general sense for Democrats. And that's been my biggest, strongest criticism, is that we're not identifying what they're doing and we're not adapting to it.

Host 1 (14:02)

And it's or we play integrity politics as an opposition to that. And I think that when you look at the failures of the Biden administration, they are abundant. The blank check to Benjamin Netanyahu the most important presidential appointment of our lifetime was whoever Hoover was going to be the attorney general after January 6th. And Biden chose to play integrity politics because he felt bad for Merrick garland because Mitch McConnell dicked him out of his rightfully appointed Supreme Court role. And Obama picked a moderate because he everybody always placates these Republicans. Obama didn't pick some wild progressive, he picked milquetoast Merrick Garland to be the Supreme Court justice because we always caved to Republicans. And then Biden felt bad about what happened to Merrick Garland and instead he should have said the most important appointment of my lifetime is going to be which Attorney General I appoint and how big of a pit bull fighter are they to make sure that everybody is held to account for January 6th? And in the last week or two it's been revealed that Trump spent $3 million of his own money and this is back when he was broke before he started grifting off crypto to fund January 6th and Biden totally dropped the bag on that listener. I just cannot stand that super heavy caked on makeup look and being on camera all the time. I do have to wear makeup and that's why I'm so excited to share with all of you about Jones Road Beauty and starting November 6, Jones Road is launching their most giftable and exclusive holiday collection in yet. So all of you guy listeners, this is a great gift for the ladies in your life. All five limited edition kits in the collection are trios that include new holiday shades, products and packaging. The collection is full of effortless yet party ready essentials that you can wear for any occasion. They also make the perfect gift for beauty lovers. For someone just starting out with makeup or even as a little treat for yourself listener this holiday season, simplify your routine with makeup that's clean, strategic and multifunctional from November 18 to December 1, Jones Road is doing their first ever Black Friday sale. Go to JonesRoadBeauty.com and get up to 20% off site wide. That's JonesRoadBeauty.com for up to 20% off of your entire order. After your purchase, they'll ask where you heard about them. Please support our show and tell them that we sent you.

Host 2 (16:47)

But let me, let me give you my view on the difference of dynamics. So Biden was on the fence even about giving a pardon to his son. Trump is so aggressive, he's asking that he be paid damages for having to go through Department of Justice investigation. I mean, just think how brazen that is. Like, what he's asking for, where he's going versus where Biden was willing to go. Like, Trump is saying, everything that you investigated me for is bullshit. And by the way, I want to be paid for having to go through it. Keep it in mind, he was part of the insurrection to overthrow the government. He wants to be paid for being investigated for trying to overthrow the government.

Host 1 (17:33)

And not only that, Josh, these Republican senators now in the governmental reopening bill, the clean CR that the Democrats capitulated on, there is amendment in there that Lindsey Graham and Ted Cruz can now sue the federal government because they were. Their phone records were taken by doj, and the American taxpayers are going to pay for this. And it just always goes back to, we're playing two different games. The punditry after Joe Biden pardoned Hunter listener. Josh and I were sitting at home and Josh was like, I cannot believe these pussy Democrats are mad about this because Trump's going to come in and he's going to completely dismantle the entire federal government. And they're on their high horse talking about Biden pardoning his son. Of course he's going to pardon his son.

Host 2 (18:24)

Then you look at what Trump does, right when he takes office. He pardons everybody that had anything to do with 16 and basically says, fuck you, I don't care. And the whole time I'm saying, president Biden, why didn't you say, fuck you, I don't care. Like that. You know, it was pretty. It's just. It's just like this. This guy said, we refuse to understand the war we were fighting. Everything goes back to.

Host 1 (18:47)

And that's the thing. When the Democrats had power, they should have understood that Biden particularly been in government for so long, he should have totally understood that what he tried to do on January 6th was completely different. And it. We needed an attorney general that was a goddamn pit bull. I mean, somebody who went in just like Brazil did with Bolsonaro and this. All of these bots and regulating AI and regulating the Internet is not censorship. It's safety. And that's what government's supposed to provide us is saf. We cannot have these unregulated wild, wild west Internet waves where, you know, Betty and Dick down the street are all of a sudden, you know, who were nice churchgoing people are now taking their orders from some bot farm in Nigeria, taking up arms. It's just insanity.

Host 2 (19:41)

I know. And then now we've got Senator Graham, who's going to be getting a $500,000 check from DOJ, because DOJ is the party that will be negotiating that. All of that just is mind blowing to me. That not only do we want to try to scrub or wash one six, but, oh, by the way, it was a nuisance to me. I suffered damages. You need to pay me for that. I mean, that's pretty mind blowing that they would take it that far. Most people would just like for them to maybe move on from it and kind of whitewash it a little bit, but not these guys. They want to be paid.

Host 1 (20:16)

It shows you the Democratic Party has never fully grasped the fight that they're in.

Host 2 (20:22)

That's right.

Host 1 (20:23)

With these right wingers.

Host 2 (20:24)

That's right.

Host 1 (20:25)

And that long before Trump, this indoctrination and propaganda has always been there. And us living in a red state, we see it. We see how diabolical they are. We see how thirsty they are for power. We see how compromised they are with integrity. And put up this tweet from Don Winslow. He says, dear Maga, your entire MAGA movement is one giant lie. Your entire MAGA movement is a hustle, a cult, a con job. You got suckered. You are suckers. And here's the thing. The people who con them don't give a. They don't care. And Democrats think, oh, we really care about them. And they're going to see that. They're never going to see it unless you start calling them out as liars. You, every Democratic candidate should get in front of a camera and a microphone and say, you have been lied to for decades. You've been lied to for decade, decades. These billionaires are making you get mad at the people who own the Mexican restaurant down the street that you love to go binge Mexican food on. They're making you get mad at them. So you don't get mad at the billionaires. You pay a higher percentage in taxes than Elon Musk, Jeff Bezos Elon Musk is now a trillionaire. He is rewarded. And I want to remind you, Elon Musk is always talking about immigration and he's so anti immigration. He's a fucking immigrant. He, Elon Musk is an immigrant.

Host 2 (21:55)

That's just insanity. Insanity at its best. Another thing I saw that I thought was interesting, a respected attorney named Ty Cobb gave an interview yesterday and he said that the Constitution was not built for someone to resist the efforts of someone as evil as a person like Trump, basically. And there's a lot of merit to what he said. He basically saying that no one envisioned a person this diabolical that would do these kinds of things to be able to withstand the scrutiny of our protections in the Constitution. I thought it was interesting to hear someone be so candid and honest about.

Host 1 (22:40)

It because he was a White House attorney in Trump 1.0.

Host 2 (22:42)

That's right.

Host 1 (22:43)

Um, so you guys, in normal news cycles, something like this, Fox News, if they found out that the entire left wing media ecosystem was based on foreign actors, it would be everywhere. Just like the blowjob to Bubba would be everywhere. But corporate news is in on this hustle. They're in on fleecing the working class of America so that they can consolidate power at the top. So please subscribe to this channel. Pumps is on vacation, but it's a great way to support our podcast is buyer book Life is a Lazy Susan of sh Sandwiches. It's linked right below in the show notes. Josh and I will be back later with more news.

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