Gavin Slammed After Disaster Admission, Dems Take Notice and Distance From AIPAC

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Episode Title: Gavin Slammed After Disaster Admission, Dems Take Notice and Distance From AIPAC
Air Date: March 25, 2026
Hosts: Jennifer Welch & Angie “Pumps” Sullivan
Guest: Kyle Kalinsky

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Episode Overview

This episode dives deep into the shifting Democratic stance on Israel, the fallout from California Governor Gavin Newsom’s controversial statements, and the growing distance between key Democrats and AIPAC (the American Israel Public Affairs Committee) as progressive voters demand stronger opposition to Israel’s war policies. The discussion is charged with humor and candid commentary, with guest Kyle Kalinsky bringing his signature cynical pragmatism to unpack the political drama, hypocrisy, and missed opportunities by Democratic leadership, as well as the peculiar personal politics on the right.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. Gavin Newsom’s Israel Comments (00:51–04:42)

• The hosts and Kyle react to a clip of Gavin Newsom navigating the question "Do you consider yourself a Zionist?"
  • Newsom expresses support for Israel but distances himself from Netanyahu and the far right in Israel.
  • He regrets calling Israel an apartheid state, instead referencing Tom Friedman’s writing as context.
• Critical Insight: Kyle and the hosts emphasize the double standard and lack of moral clarity in mainstream Democratic politics regarding Israel.
• Kyle Kalinsky (02:25):

  “The main reason [for this evasiveness] is the Israel lobby … aipac, but there are other elements as well.”

2. Discussion: Is Israel an Apartheid State? (03:39–05:30)

• Hosts challenge Democratic reluctance to call out Israel’s apartheid and human rights abuses, noting hypocrisy mirrored by Republicans and mainstream media alike.
• Kyle Kalinsky (04:42):

  “It’s Apartheid. This is not really like a matter of debate or discussion … you’re just disagreeing with every major human rights group on the planet.”

3. Democrats’ Political Calculus and AIPAC Money (06:55–09:51)

• Growing numbers of Democrats—Booker, Newsom, Gallego, Shapiro, Bashir—are distancing themselves from AIPAC money as the party base turns against unconditional support for Israel.
• Host (06:55):

  “If the Democrats are not clear eyed ... and say, ‘We do not support apartheid, we do not support genocide … we're anti all of that,’ ... how dangerous is it that Democrats do not have moral clarity on this?”

• Kyle Kalinsky (08:31):

  "The argument needs to be, cut off all the money, cut off all the weapons, and sanction Israel. … The Israel Lobby is adjusting and now they're changing their name to random shell groups…”

4. Democratic Leadership’s Weakness and Lack of Moral Courage (09:51–11:33)

• The conversation criticizes Democratic leaders like Chuck Schumer and Hakeem Jeffries for failing to fight aggressively or provide clear opposition:
• Kyle Kalinsky (10:42):

  "We would have prime FDR numbers … if we had a Democratic Party that fought. But right now, their strategy is 'we're going to go hide in the corner and sit in the cuck chair and let Republicans destroy the country, and then emerge and say, I guess maybe pick us.'"

5. Double Standards and US Foreign Policy Hypocrisy (11:33–13:23)

• Hosts cite Jon Stewart’s critique of US double standards: decrying Russian aggression but excusing Israeli actions.
• Kyle Kalinsky (12:44):

  “Russia is an official state enemy, so you’re able to say whatever you want … but when it comes to Israel, they're an ally … and that’s why you have that double standard.”

6. Why Aren’t Democrats Bolder? (13:23–16:31)

• Hosts propose that, rather than blackmail or manipulation, most politicians are simply corrupted and weakened by money once in office.
• Discussion touches on the lack of accountability for January 6th funders and the dangers of not prosecuting political crimes.
• Kyle Kalinsky (14:54):

  “We now need an absolute litmus test on the Democratic side … I don't want to hear from you if you're running for president if you're not saying we're going to jail all of these disgusting degenerate criminals that are in the White House.”

7. Dysfunction and Hypocrisy on the Right (16:31–21:05)

• The hosts and Kyle mock the hypocrisy of Republican figures, particularly around issues of sex and “family values:”
  • They play a disturbing clip from Senator Markwayne Mullin (“Booster box”) discussing corporal punishment with his daughter (17:08).
  • The segment criticizes the repressive sexual culture in “red states” and how this repression expresses itself in scandalous behavior among MAGA figures.
• Kyle Kalinsky (17:41):

  “Pedocon theory is a theory like gravity is a theory … at this point it's like … they all have something weird going on with sex.”

• Extended discussion of hypocrisy and closetedness among anti-LGBTQ politicians, touching on Madison Cawthorn’s orgy allegations.

8. Authoritarian Alliances and International Solidarity (21:05–23:06)

• The episode closes with a discussion of Netanyahu’s support for Hungary’s Orban (a Putin ally) and the failure of Democrats to exploit the right’s unsavory international alliances.
• Kyle Kalinsky (21:59):

  “Authoritarian solidarity is probably the big thing. And then the second thing is: always follow the money.”

• Urges the left to embrace international solidarity in the same way as the far right now does.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Kyle Kalinsky on Democratic Cowardice (10:42):

  “Their strategy is we're going to go hide in the corner and sit in the cuck chair and let Republicans destroy the country and then emerge and say, I guess maybe pick us.”

• Jennifer Welch (Host) on US Hypocrisy (11:33):

  “Jon Stewart completely exposes US Hypocrisy. … The double standard is sickening.”

• Kyle Kalinsky on Republican Hypocrisy (17:41):

  “Pedocon theory is a theory, like gravity is a theory. … At this point it’s like they all have something weird going on with sex.”

• Kyle Kalinsky on Authoritarian Alliances (21:59):

  “Authoritarian solidarity is probably the big thing. And then the second thing is always follow the money.”

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Important Timestamps

• [01:24] – Newsom’s “Zionist”/Israel/Apartheid statements
• [02:25] – Israel lobby’s influence explained by Kyle Kalinsky
• [04:42] – Apartheid/genocide terminology: facts vs. political double talk
• [06:55] – Democrats distancing from AIPAC; electoral consequences
• [10:42] – Why Democratic weakness persists; “cuck chair” analogy
• [12:44] – US foreign policy double standards highlighted
• [14:54] – The absolute need for legal accountability (Trump, Jan 6, etc.)
• [17:08] – Senator “Booster Box” Mullin’s controversial comment played
• [21:59] – Closing on authoritarian international alliances and need for left solidarity

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Episode Tone and Language

The hosts and Kyle Kalinsky bring irreverence, directness, and dark humor, openly critiquing Democratic leadership, skewering Republican hypocrisy, and demanding more honesty and boldness in progressive politics. The episode is rich with analogies, sarcasm, and blunt language, reflecting the frustration and urgency of the present political moment.

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Grab & Go Takeaways

• Democrats’ relationship with AIPAC is shifting as progressive voters demand moral clarity; politicians like Newsom are called out for political hedging.
• The Israel lobby’s influence is seen as the major reason for Democratic equivocating, but the new generation of voters isn’t buying it.
• Double standards in the US approach to allies versus enemies are a persistent sore point, as called out by figures like Jon Stewart.
• There is deep disillusionment with both the “milquetoast” Democratic approach and the “deeply weird” culture war obsessions of the GOP.
• The episode calls for authentic opposition, accountability for powerful wrongdoers, and an international leftist solidarity to counter the right’s global alliances.

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Transcript

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[Kyle Kalinsky]

All right.

[Podcast Host]

Welcome to ihip News. I have our warrior, our cynical pragmatist Kyle Kalinsky joining us today. Kyle, how are you?

[Kyle Kalinsky]

I'm doing great and thank you for that. I've never been called a cynical pragmatist, but I think I like it.

[Podcast Host]

I think it's true. I mean, if the shoe fits.

[Kyle Kalinsky]

That's a solid one. I like that. Very creative.

[Podcast Host]

Let's go right into pick me, Gavin Newsom, who seems to be changing his opinion based on the news cycles. So I just want to play the clip and then let's dissect it. Play the clip.

[Kyle Kalinsky]

Consider yourself a Zionist?

[Gavin Newsom (clip)]

Do I consider myself a Zionist? I believe I revere the state of Israel. I'm proud to support the state of Israel. I deeply, deeply oppose Bibi Netanyahu's leadership, his opposition to the two state solution, and deeply oppose how he is indulging the far right as it relates to what's going on in the West Bank.

[Kyle Kalinsky]

You regret using the word apartheid to describe the word.

[Gavin Newsom (clip)]

I used it. I do. In this context that I said it and I referenced, why I used it. A Tom Friedman article in that same sentence where Tom used it in the context of the direction that BB is going, not the current and the concern. Correct. Okay. And that is a legitimate concern I have that I share with Tom that that direction, if hard enough.

[Podcast Host]

Why are we in this world where you cannot say a fact that Israel is an apartheid state? Why. Why do we have Democrats that are denying facts in the same way that MAGA does?

[Kyle Kalinsky]

Kyle, It's. I mean, the main reason is the Israel lobby, right? And like the main one, everybody comes to mind is aipac, but there's other elements to the Israel lobby as well. There's dmfi, Democratic Majority for Israel, there's other shell groups. Now. They're basically Israel lobby money that they call, like, elect Chicago Women and like, bland stuff like that. And that's the main reason, like, that has a stranglehold on the Democratic Party. And in the same way that obviously the entire Republican Party is too far gone on this stuff. And they're totally bought by the Israel lobby. And what Newsom is doing there is called the one bad man theory of politics. You know how there's like the one great man theory of politics? This is the one bad man theory where they go, look, if we just get rid of Benjamin Netanyahu, everything would be phenomenal with Israel. But the problem with that is it's total bs. There's this guy named Yair Lapid who's the opposition to Netanyahu, and he also is in favor of what's called the Greater Israel Project, which basically means Israel gets to crusade through the Middle east, basically steal the entire Middle east and, and create their own version of the Fourth Reich. Okay, so there is no, like, it is genuinely a problem with Israeli society. I just saw a poll earlier today. Up to 95% of Israelis support this illegal and offensive war on Iran, whereas here in the US the average is about 35% of people in this country support that stupid war. So we have a real problem here and we do ourselves no favors by not, like, accurately describing it.

[Podcast Host]

I completely agree. And you have this. Now there's this narrative that if you say that Israel played a huge part in bringing us to the war, that's somehow anti Semitic, but when I do a roll call on this, little Marco said it, little Moses, Mike Grinder Johnson said it, Trump himself has said it. And Benjamin Netanyahu said it where he said my dream, my 40 year dream of invading Iran. But yet if somebody on the left or this guy that left Trump the Trump regime and ran home to Tucker Carlson. Yeah, Joe Kent. If they say it, then somehow it's anti Semitic. And we have to live in a society where you can criticize governments. You just, you have to be able, like I believe right now, any of our allies, any country, criticize the shit out of the United States of America. We deserve it. There's a portion of our electorate that is dumb as fuck and they need to be ridiculed and criticized because the whole world order hangs in the balance of how people in Wisconsin vote. And that's insane.

[Kyle Kalinsky]

Yep. Yeah. And it's also, by the way, just factually speaking, it's Apartheid. This is not really like a matter of debate or discussion. When he says, oh no, I regret calling it apartheid. Ok, well then you're just disagreeing with like every major human rights group on the planet you're disagreeing with. I mean, genocide, for example. That's another one he said to Ben Shapiro, oh, what they did in Gaza is not a genocide. Ok, well then you're arguing with Bet Salem, who's the number one human rights group in Israel. Ok, so at this point it's just, it's political suicide to, to try to still split the difference and somehow take like this middle path to the issue of Israel. Read the room. Like the Democratic base. I've seen polls anywhere from 3% to a maximum of 15% of our base actually supports Israel. And you think you're going to be the nominee doing this sort of chicken shit nonsense. There's no way that's going to work.

[Podcast Host]

Okay, let's now discuss the danger and the lie that occurs where the far right people like Benjamin Netanyahu try to conflate and that Jonathan GRE at that criticizing Israel is somehow anti Semitic, which is so disrespectful to so many Jewish Americans who rabidly criticize Israel. And I think that they do this whole thing. Like the lie is this, Kyle. The lie is you're making Jews less safe. And it's like the people that are making Jews less safe are the people that are going for the Greater Israel Project and they'll take down everybody.

[Kyle Kalinsky]

That's right. And Zionism by definition is supporting an ethnostate. You're saying I support an ethnostate and I support a theocracy. And I thought we all agreed that, you know, secular democracy is the best way to go. I thought we all agreed that human rights and equality is the way to go. I don't make random exceptions to those ideas. I think as a matter of principle, since I believe in enlightenment values, equality matters, democracy matters, secularism matters. So no, you're not going to bully me into saying I'm against all ethno states except this one that I'm going to carve an exemption for. That's like, like imagine somebody doing that with like apartheid South Africa. Yeah, I'm against all ethno states except apartheid South Africa. It's like, that's crazy. You sound ridiculous when you say that.

[Podcast Host]

I completely agree. And now you have some of the Democrats that are getting the message on this and again, Gavin Newsom changing his opinions, other Dems changing their, their position now it kind of, it feels like, pick me. Like they don't believe in anything. And so pop this up, kylie. Democrats eyeing 2028 are ditching American Israel Public Affairs Committee money as voters turn against Israel's government. Booker, Newsom, Gallego, Shapiro, Bashir all distance themselves, making it a likely litmus test in the primary. So here's my question. If the Democrats are not clear eyed and look in the camera and say, we do not support apartheid, we do not support genocide, Benjamin Netanyahu is a liar and a war criminal. And we are not going to partner with a war criminal because we already have a president that's a war criminal. And we're anti all of that. We're anti every single bit of that. And Tucker Carlson is making points in 30 second clips where I know a lot of people, that's how they consume politics in flyover states. Like, oh, he says Israel. I mean, he says that MAGA lost the message. And it's their whole thing now is it was never about the man, it was always about the movement. We really are America first. How dangerous is it that Democrats do not have moral clarity on this to carve the way and incubate somebody like Tucker Carlson who I think is gonna run for president.

[Kyle Kalinsky]

Yeah, I mean, shit, that's a whole can of worms that we can open up there. But I genuinely believe the Republican project is cooked post Trump. I really think for a generation, Republicans are not gonna be chosen by the American people because everything is. I mean, we're gonna have a great depression. We're already in like World War III at the moment. But to your broader point here about aipac, the argument needs to be cut off all the money, cut off all the weapons and sanction Israel. And what they're doing here is the Democrats are effectively trying to do a trick where they say, oh yeah, we'll write off aipac. But it's like, okay, did you write off J Street, did you write off all the other shell groups that effectively are Israel Lobby money? Because the Israel Lobby is adjusting and now they're changing their name to random shell groups and they're running ads for their preferred candidates who, where they don't even mention Israel. They're like hiding the fact that they support Israel. So they've adjusted and they know you're still going to have candidates like Gavin Newsom and J.B. pritzker and Josh Shapiro. They are going to find a way to get that Israel lobby money because the Israel Lobby knows, hey, these are people who will actually support us. And that's where we need to be sophisticated. And so we need to get right to the point. Do you support an arms embargo on Israel? Do you support cutting off all subsidies to Israel moving forward? And if they waffle on that or they get it wrong, then we should have no interest in them whatsoever for being the standard bearer for the Democrats.

[Podcast Host]

Okay, and what do you think? Like, I have this fantasy where some progressive senators will and you hear rumblings of it, but then they never do anything where it's like Senator Warren, Chris Van Hollen, Chris Murphy, and others just revolt and say, schumer, hit the bricks. This is. You're not meeting the moment. How effective do you think it would be right now for a Democratic Party if in the House they said, hakeem, hit the bricks, buddy, we're stripping you. And in this, in the Senate, they did it and they actually governed with an accelerant the same way that Trump governs with an accelerant on him. And we started playing offense and we started controlling the news cycle because even Trump has said, I'm surprised at how little pushback I get from these people. He said that out loud. What do you think the impact that would have on the Democrats? Abysmal polling numbers if they actually grew a pair?

[Kyle Kalinsky]

We, we would have prime FDR numbers. At FDR's peak, he had 80% of the House and 80% of the Senate, and he won four presidential elections before they put in term limits. This guy dominated the country. And Republicans were moving towards Democrats and trying to be more like Democrats because they thought we're going to lose forever if we don't adjust and act more like FDR and support the New Deal and stuff like that. That's what we would be looking at if we had a Democratic Party that fought. But right now, their strategy is we're going to go hide in the corner and sit in the cuck chair and let Republicans destroy the country and then emerge and say, I guess maybe pick us. And look, don't, don't get me wrong, we're going to win by doing that because the Republicans are so odious, but we're going to win by six points as opposed to winning by 28 points. And, like, I want them to learn here and start fighting and actually do something for the American public. It would be phenomenal.

[Podcast Host]

I completely agree. I get so angry. Like, I see all the shit that Trump does, and then my mind goes to, okay, what are Chuck Schumer and Hakeem doing about it? Nothing. And then my mind goes to oh, my God. Joe Biden. He us. He us so hard. He had one job after the insurrection. One goddamn job. That guy should be in jail. And here we are again. So I started reading from a lot of scholars, and scholars say that oftentimes liberals collaborate with fascists to keep the economic system of private equity and private interest intact. And that's what you see so many Democrats doing. And the fact that. That they're crowdsourcing whether they should take APAC money or not is pretty maddening. But here is. I didn't want to play the clip, so I'll read to you what it says. It's Jon Stewart, and he talks about an incredible false equivalency in American culture and Western media. Jon Stewart completely exposes US Hypocrisy. He points out how Washington screamed war crimes when Russia bombed Ukraine. But when Netanyahu slaughters thousands of civilians in Gaza, the US Just says, hey, guys, be cool. The double standard is sickening.

[Kyle Kalinsky]

Yeah. I mean, Russia is an official state enemy, so you're able to say whatever you want against them. You could even lie about how bad they are. But when it comes to Israel, they're an ally. And we take a lot of money from the Israel lobby. And we also have some genuinely psychotic evangelical Christian religious Zionists. And that's why you have that double standard. But, yeah, it's to the point where it's almost like. It really is, like, suicidal at this point where I'm starting to believe. Do they have Epstein blackmail on, like, 80% of the people in Congress? Because it's humiliating at this late date to not stand up to them when they're, like, ushering in World War 3 and they're bombing elementary schools and they're, like, doing every hideous crime you can imagine.

[Podcast Host]

You know, I'm with you on that because I think sometimes, okay, they have to have. They have to be blackmailed. Why are they not standing up for this? But I think that's a person, you and me, with conviction, applying what we. What it would take us in that position to not have conviction. Conviction. I think these politicians get so broken when they start taking money from these corrupt corporations and it breaks them. And, I mean, probably there's, you know, Epstein blackmail footage and other footage on Trump, but, like, Hakeem and others. No, I just think they're pussies. I do. I think they just start taking money and it breaks them, and then they end up playing this pick me politics like Thirst Trap Newsome is doing. And I feel like if we don't Have a Democratic Party that is a fake, full blown opposition party. I, I really like what you said about the Republican Party's done, but I, I thought that after George W. Bush, I thought they were cooked forever. And George W. Bush incubated Trump and us not dealing with the Abu G, the CIA black sites, the banking crisis, we just let it go and that's the through line. And all of this Trump just didn't appear out of anywhere is that we allow wealthy people to do bad and get away with it. And the most recent one is Joe Biden with January 6th. They never went after the Biden DOJ, never went after the people who funded January 6th. They went after the dipshits that came, that were bust in from the trailer park that committed the felonies.

[Kyle Kalinsky]

And you have Jack Smith said like if I was able to finish my job for sure Trump was going to prison. He said that recently. And I remember my heart sinking like, oh my God, we could have avoided all this. But to your point, we now need an absolute litmus test on the Democratic side. I don't want to hear from you if you're running for president, if you're not saying we are going to jail all of these disgusting degenerate criminals that are in the White House. I'm talking Stephen Miller, I'm talking Elon Musk, I'm talking Pam Bondi, I'm talking Donald Trump, I'm talking to all of them. And of course, and I genuinely think that it is more likely than ever that we get sort of a Democratic renegade winner who comes out of nowhere because the politics as usual is not going to work here. And the biggest mistake Obama made was saying we're going to look forward, we're not going to look backwards when it comes to prosecuting the Bush era criminals. And a Democrat we cannot afford. If we, if that same mistake is made, we genuinely no longer have a country. We basically like elect an emperor for four or eight years and then they get to do whatever the hell they want, commit whatever crimes they want, go on a crime spree if they so please. Right? And then there's no accountability. So we need that. I think, I think we're ripe for that though. So I'd be surprised if it wasn't somebody like, like a Graham Platner for example, who comes out of nowhere and ends up winning. Somebody who like really is touching every so called third rail that is not really a third rail, but the establishment group thinkers are convinced as a third rail. You're going to call what's what happened in Gaza a genocide. You're going to say this is World War Three. You're going to say that there's Epstein blackmail on Trump and he was fucking 13 year olds. Katie Johnson is one of them, right? Going to have people saying these things. They're going to be the ones who get ahead. It's not going to be this milquetoast nonsense from Gavin Newsom or Josh Shapiro or any of them.

[Podcast Host]

I completely agree. Okay, now I just want to play a video for you of a senator from my home state. I refer to him as Senator Booster box because he is so vertically challenged when he stands at a podium, he has to stand up on a big boy box so that they can see him over the podium. This is the same senator who is now replacing puppy killer Christy Noem, who we all know it's a puppy puppet job. We all know Stephen Miller runs dhs. Everybody knows who the daddy at DHS is. And it's not Mark Wayne Mullen. But interestingly here is him talking about being a daddy to his daughter. Play the clip.

[Kyle Kalinsky]

Now you take Lara for instance. When she was a girl trying to spank her dale was like a four minute ordeal because she's like, no daddy, no daddy, no daddy, I'm sorry, dad, I'm sorry. And then she'd get madder and madder and she just couldn't bring herself to the even bend over for me to be able to bust her butt. And I was like, hon, you got like two seconds. Are you going to get two instead of one?

[Podcast Host]

How are we losing to these people, Kyle? How, how, how do we lose to these people?

[Kyle Kalinsky]

Pon theory is a theory, like gravity is a theory. At this point there's a great video that I think it was Midas Touch put together like a couple years ago. And it's, it's basically all about pedocon theory. And they just go like one after the other after the other after you're like a dozen Republicans deep where it's like pedo, pedo, pedo, pedo, pedo. And at this point it's like that they all have something weird going on with sex. Whether it's the anti gay guys that love gobbling in a New Jersey turnpike bathroom or you know, it's, it's this guy talking about his daughter saying, daddy, daddy, don't spank me. And he's like, I'm gonna spank you. Like, what is this, man? I don't know. You have some phenomenal theories on this that you should share with everybody.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah, I just. I think that I grew up in Mark Wayne Mullen State, and there's so much shame that kids, the number one thing they're taught is don't have sex until you're married. Like, not be a good person, not don't lie, none of that. Because all you have to do is ask Jesus for. It's a super, like, purity, abstinence culture. And in that just comes a lot of. A lot of people that are really messed up sexually. And the entire MAGA movement, all of these MAGA men, I mean, for sure, I think there's just a lot of DL. I think there's probably a lot of bi curious situation where these men are watching porn after their wife goes to bed, they see a penis, they get excited about it, then they feel terrible, and then they terrorize the country. And I just think there's a whole Freudian dive into a lot of this. And I have so much empathy for anybody that feels like they need to be in the closet because of societal restrictions and judgment that comes from being gay or bisexual or whatever. But these people that browbeat gay people all day long pass legislation to deny them equality and then fetishize it at night. I mean, that's just pretty disgusting. Lindsey Graham.

[Kyle Kalinsky]

And also, I seem to remember Madison Cawthorn back when he was a congressperson,

[Podcast Host]

Wasn't he running around his panties grabbing penis?

[Kyle Kalinsky]

Well, Madison Cawthorn was the one who came out and said that he was invited to basically, like a congressional orgy. Another Republican invited him to, like, a congressional orgy. And he was like, a little shocked by that. And so he said that. And then they unleashed holy hell on him and released all of the oppo research that they had on him. And. And he was out of there by the next election. Right. And so I'm constantly reminded that when you look at the movie Eyes Wide Shut with Tom Cruise, that's a documentary that is not just a movie. And you watch that thing and you go, holy cow. This is like, this is how it really functions. And again with all that Epstein blackmail, there's a lot of people in elite 1% circles who not only are they into gross shit, they know other 1 percenters who are into disgusting shit. And they all keep the secret like it's a frat or like it's a sorority, and they do the most disgusting, gross things you can imagine. And then I always find it hilarious because, you know, me and Crystal, for example, we're flaming lefties. But we have the most heteronormative relationship you've ever seen in your life where the classic like Leave it to Beaver with the white picket fence and the three kids and all that stuff. And the people who like desperately cling to that ideal are the ones who have are all sorts of hang ups around sex that are just like hard to wrap your mind around. Yeah.

[Podcast Host]

Okay. One final question. Just because I want your take on this, I think it's really fascinating. So you have this situation where Netanyahu is endorsing Orban, who is the puppet of Vladimir Putin. You have Netanyahu sent his son to Hungary. And I think it's fascinating that the American Republican Party looks to hungry for inspiration. And the Democrats haven't exploited the messaging in that to say we don't need to look to Hungary for inspiration, we can look to our founders, you know, be such a layup over flyover states to make that kind of patriotic argument. But it's fascinating that that Netanyahu is passively aligning with Putin, who is helping the Iranians right now kill and target Americans. What's your cynical pragmatist take on that?

[Kyle Kalinsky]

I would say authoritarian solidarity is probably the big thing. And then the second thing is always follow the money. There's guaranteed to be something with the money. I mean, I'm sure you've seen everything with Trump and the market manipulation when it comes to the war, how like every Monday morning, all of a sudden, oh, the war is solved and everything's great and we're having phenomenal talks. And then every Friday, as soon as the market closes, it's like World War 3, let's go blow up everything. And so there's always going to be some through line where it comes to, you know, payoffs and all sorts of corrupt schemes. And so that would be my takeaway. But you know, Trump and Netanyahu, they're like the quintessential authoritarians. So there is some sort of weird alliance that they've created with other authoritarian leaders. And I think it's time for the left to get serious about like left wing internationalism where you can have a coalition of people like, you know, Lula in Brazil, for example, Claudia Sheinbaum in Mexico. All the left wing leaders need to come together and band together and help each other in a way that right now only the right does. And they have that advantage. They have that class solidarity, that Epstein class solidarity where they're all 1 percenters and they all look out for each other. And we need to, you know, have a similar sort of organizational structure, but for the working class I love it.

[Podcast Host]

All right, Kyle, thank you so much for coming on.

[Kyle Kalinsky]

Thank you so much for having me. I appreciate it.

[Podcast Host]

Bye Bye.

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