A (3:34)

That's bananas, Kylie. Will you put that up? There was something underlined that I wanted to see. It said gave evidence about being in. In with Trump during a trip with Russia. This is what you just said in the naughty 90s, where they attend a concert, a discotheque, and according to Black sworn testimony, might have been in a strip club together. Black paid Epstein roughly 170 million, nominally for tax and estate planning, but denied knowledge anything about his industrial scale sex trafficking. That's crazy. So is this, Is this maybe, and I'm just pontificating here guessing, is this maybe how he had so much money? Because nobody really knows where Jeffrey Epstein's wealth came from. Did he? Honey pot and compromise. Really wealthy men. And then they had to pay him off.

B (4:28)

That's what I think. That's how I think it started. I think that he was. Les Wexner was the first person that he made big.

A (4:36)

Victoria's Secret guy.

B (4:37)

Victor, Right. Victoria's Secret guy who has also been subpoenaed to testify the before oversight. I'm sure he won't, but he has been subpoenaed. He's the one that started it. That's where the massive wealth accumulation started. But in terms of services, you know, we have Palantir Peter Thiel saying, oh, well, you know, he did tax stuff for me to the tunes of hundreds of millions of dollars. I mean, that just seems shady to me. And $170 million for estate planning. I'm not a billionaire, but I wouldn't. I would think 100 or 1 million would be a lot for estate planning, but I don't know. I don't have that kind of money. It's not that complicated. But 1 million seems like it'd be really, really a lot for estate planning. I think it's all bullshit. I think that Howard Letnick told the truth one time, and that's when he said Jeffrey Epstein bribed people because he got them in there. And that marmy townhouse, I mean, he's a cabinet secretary. He says this, while Trump is under investigation, I don't think that he's any different than anybody else that went in that townhouse.

A (5:47)

Yeah, I mean, I think that there's so many compromised people. Ghisain Maxwell knows all of the names. She knows where all the bodies are buried. Trump was in it up to his canals back when he had ankles. And you know, the interesting thing about Trump, it just really fascinated me. He doesn't really have friends. No, but Jeffrey Epstein was like his buddy. I mean, they were very, very close friends. And the interesting parallels that I've always found just uber red flag. Obviously, it's well documented that Jeffrey Epstein was a child rapist. But around the same time that Donald Trump is hanging out with Jeffrey Epstein. I will never get over this America listener. I will never get over this. Before Trump ever descended on the escalator, he was on Howard Stern's radio show, which used to be a much before podcasting, like, everybody listened to that type of stuff. Howard Stern, he's a big, big deal at the time, lot millions of listeners. And Howard Stern was always sexually provocative, inappropriate. I'm shocked as shit he still has a radio channel and didn't get me to, but whatever. So he asked Trump, Trump's talking about how, yeah, he'd love to screw his daughter if it wasn't his daughter. And then he goes, what's your cutoff age? He goes, you know, I mean, I can go pretty young, I can go pretty wrong. And. And Howard's like, well, how young? And Donald Trump, the sitting president, United States, he wasn't sitting president then, but this is on tape and audio. He says, I think 12 is the cutoff. A 12 year old. And after that was released, these evangelical Christians, pro kid, pro traditional family, voted for a man who says 12 is as young as he goes with girls. And this is the exact same time that he's palling around with child rapist and child sex trafficker Jeffrey Epstein. And so, I mean, I think that, I think we only know the tip of the iceberg on Jeffrey Epstein. Not only what the documents that haven't been released yet pumps, but with these type of crimes, so many go unreported, the majority go unreported because it takes a lot for people to report these types of victimization leads to addiction, suicide, all sorts of problems. So, you know, I know when they studied, when they did the priests, that was just merely a fraction right of the victims. And I think it's the same with Jeffrey Epstein. And it wouldn't surprise me one bit if he didn't have the same operation with young boys for rich men that preferred that. And so that's just my opinion because when you start dehumanizing children in general, you know, the gender and stuff wouldn't matter.

B (8:49)

Well, and interestingly, Julie K. Brown was on this podcast and she's the one that broke the story on Jeffrey Epstein right prior to his arrest with the Miami Herald. And she said she is still getting calls of victims that are just now coming forward. And I look at the situation, how these then girls now women have been treated, they have been slandered, they have been maligned in every way, they have been shamed there. It's no way wonder that this is a hard crime to report because now we have on a national stage bullying these women. It's a hoax. They don't know what they're talking about. I mean, it's just, it's horrible how these victims and survivors have been treated.

A (9:32)

Hubs, have you been on the substack where there is a lady, she has a substack and it is a male named Sasha Riley. Have I sent that to you?

B (9:44)

I have read that. About the boys. Yes, I have read it.

A (9:47)

So there is allegations, I don't know, insubstantiated or not. I, I know that I, I listen to it. I listen to his testimony and I think extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. And, and I'm not saying that I don't believe victims, but I do think some corroborating things would help us cover that more intensely. But in this testimony that is on tape on substack, it is that this Sasha Riley was trafficked for Epstein. And he alleges that there was a whole group of wealthy men that he and girls were trafficked for. And he names like Jim Jordan, he names Donald Trump, he named some other Republican guy. I can't remember his name, but it's, it's real. I listened to like the first hour of the testimony and then it was so disturbing. I haven't listened to the rest of it, but I know a lot of our listeners put that in the comment section. And the reason I haven't dived into it so much is because I'm waiting. We're not journalists and I'm waiting for more journalists to corroborate some of the timeline. But I think his testimony thus far that I've heard is incredibly brave. And quite frankly, I personally believe him.

B (11:04)

I agree. It's, it's extremely likely that given how they did girls, they would do boys and let's not forget these men, whether they're married or not, we know that they like little boys. I mean, you hear about it all the time. So that, that's not like, oh my gosh, the last thing I've heard. I do think, like you, there will be more that come forward, at least to a journalist with anonymity to verify that. But no, I have been watching that and I do. It's just so. This whole thing is just so damn sad. It's just pitiful. But one thing I want to keep reminding people, Pam Bondi and the doj, they are breaking the law every single day. And so this week they filed a letter with the judge that says, oh, we're still going through the Epstein files and we're reviewing millions of redacted pages and we should complete our review in the near term. But there's no specific date or ballpark for release. And in this letter they make a big point at the doj, we're protecting the victims. Well, that's because when these files were originally released, they hid the names of perpetrators, but not victims. So I do not believe for one minute they are trying to protect the victims. And we know as early as May 2025, Pam Bondi had a whole team of FBI agents pulled off other cases to go through and skim these files for Donald Trump's name. So for them to sit there and act like they haven't been through that, that is horseshit. That is bullshit. And just as an aside, as an attorney, if I had a deadline that the law required me to turn something over on December 17th, and I rolled in and said, well, you know, I'm working on it and I don't have a timeline. I can't tell you what I'm doing. My ass would be held in contempt. Full stop.

A (12:58)

That.

B (12:58)

You just don't do that. And what makes me so angry about this Justice Department is they get away with shit nobody else would get away with. They continue to get slack from Congress. You know, well, we have rules that we have to go through to cite them for contempt and all that. And I agree. But this is so blatant. December 19th was the deadline. Nothing. Nothing more than we had. Over a million documents have not been released. And then just something I always like to browbeat this whole entire administration about is just the incompetency of the COVID up. So Norm Eisen, who we know prosecuted Trump in the first impeachment, pop this up, Kylie. We have reviewed DOJ's Epstein releases and uncovered 70 plus files quietly pulled and Reposted with new redactions. That's why we filed a formal complaint with the DOJ Inspector general calling for an expanded investigation. Under normal times that would matter. The DOJ Inspector General. But we know in these times it doesn't. But I'm just like, you had months and months and months and thousands and thousands, tens of thousands of man hours to cover this up. And just the incompetency of the COVID up never fails to shock me. But then I think, look who we're dealing with.

A (14:22)

This. They know he's cooked in the files. I mean, this administration is a death cult, a child sex cult.

B (14:35)

Absolutely.

A (14:36)

And all of the people, all of the Americans that still support the Triple Trump need to be reminded all day, every day you support the party of pedophiles.

B (14:49)

Period.

A (14:50)

I never, ever, ever for the life of me, and I had to hear it for so many decades living in Oklahoma. We're the party of family values. I believe in traditional family. I had so many women, sanctimonious, shitty little Christian white women say to me all the time, well, I'm voting for George W. Bush because I believe in traditional families. I want to say to those ladies and all the other ladies, fuck you. No you don't. It was all a ruse. It was all a ruse. You're depra. You're brainwashed. Your religion is constantly co opted by the worst organizations and cults that America has to offer. The kkk, the nra, maga. Because that's how insignificant and not based in principle and not based in goodness white evangelical Christianity is. It could get co opted by a dead pick and they would worship the pig. That's how depraved and morally bankrupt and lacking conviction the core of this MAGA movement is now.

B (15:58)

And I'll agree with that. And I'll say also a huge lack of empathy. When I have asked MAGA people in my life, what do you think Jesus would do? Because that's your big, you know, you're banging on that drum about these immigrants. Well, I think he'd agree.

A (16:14)

And I'm just like, do they say that he would cover up for pedophiles?

B (16:18)

Now, I've only asked regarding how they're treating.

A (16:20)

You need to up it.

B (16:21)

You need to up it.

A (16:23)

The next family dinner I ask, do you think Jesus, and you need to phrase it, do you think Jesus would cover up for pedophiles?

B (16:30)

Well, I'll just report back to us, dropped when it was like, oh, I think Jesus would agree. I'm just like, what the Ever. Okay, one thing. I just want to bring this up, and I know we've talked about it previously, but Jamie Raskin has initiated an investigation into the treatment that Ghislaine Maxwell's getting. And we've heard about that before, but now we're finding out, among other things, Kyle, if you want to pop that up, you can. Whistleblowers have come forward and they about her being coddled behind bars. If you go into the article written by the Daily Beast, not whistleblowers are being punished, which we've heard, but now we have corroborated testimony, according to Jamie Raskin in this document, they're also sending out mail under the name of prison employees and not Ghislaine Maxwell, so that they can't be gone through by the guards. Now, to me, that tells me there is something going out of the mail that is way, way more damaging than we thought. Because I get that she gets a puppy. I get that she gets bottled water instead of tap water. She shouldn't be there in the first place. But let's not forget, it was after the birthday card by Trump when he sent Todd Blanch. It was within days that she moved to a prison she is not even allowed to be at, according to the Federal Bureau of Prisons. So Jamie Raskin is asking the question, who is approving all this stuff? And of course, my answer is Pam Bondi and Todd Blanche, of course, because Donald Trump told them to to keep her quiet. So we'll keep an eye on that.

A (18:08)

I just want to say one thing. I just need to inject one thing here. Okay, Jeffrey, look at all the special treatment she's getting. And then ask yourself again, did Jeffrey Epstein hang himself when Donald Trump was in president the first go round, if this is what's happening here? Did he in a jail cell that's 6 foot tall with a bed 3ft off the ground, hang himself? Every single person we've asked. And our personal armchair detective, pathological assessment of it is that no, suicide would have been impossible. So I think when you put all of this stuff together, this thing stinks to high heaven. And it also makes sense as to why this very politically savvy, yet albeit varying degrees of incompetence administration knows how to wag the dog. They know how to change the news cycle away from this. So Pumps, thank you for this awesome reporting on this because it's something that needs to be. It's worse than Watergate. It's worse than anything. And we need to keep it at the top of the news. Cycle. We'll see you guys later. Like, subscribe, Sam.