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Jen
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Shay Chuck
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Jen
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Shay Chuck
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Jen
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Shay Chuck
See that?
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Charlie Goldinson
When I see Iowa farmers who need to get that E15 to market.
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Shay Chuck
What is this? What is. Zach, you're going to have to help
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Charlie Goldinson
me out with her name here.
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Shay Chuck
I lost my page here.
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Charlie Goldinson
Okay. All right.
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Shay Chuck
Okay.
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Charlie Goldinson
There we go.
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Shay Chuck
Sarah Trone Garriott. There he is. I'm on the wrong page here. So while Zach is fighting to make
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Charlie Goldinson
sure for the benefit of Iowa, but
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Shay Chuck
frankly for the benefit of the whole country, running.
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Jen
What's your take on that?
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Shay Chuck
What a fucking freak. Yeah, I mean I think like an initial take is just like folks need to remember, I think that the Republicans and the Republican commentators like to position Vance publicly as being the next person to step in. He has a 35% approval rating.
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Jen
Right.
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Shay Chuck
Also right as as Trump's ratings have plummeted and Republicans ratings have plummeted. So have JD Vances. I believe it was like an ABC poll recently put him at 35% approval, like 48% disapproval. Which means that almost one in every two Americans not just has a meaningless perception of him, they have a bad perception of him. So this idea that he is electable, I think or a better option than Trump is ridiculous. And I'm with you. Let him run, let him get demolished. He's gonna embarrass himself. He's gonna embarrass the Republican Party. Yeah.
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Jen
So let's talk about the Game of Thrones of it. So you have J.D. vance, who I have a theory that Trump is personally rat fucking him. He is trying to sabotage his ability to take over maga. He sent him to Hungary complet plan send him on the campaign trail, the turning point trail with Erica Kirk. Even it it was so abysmally attended. Even Erica Kirk no showed he's named him the fraud czar, the most fraudulent president in history. He's like, hey, when y' all uncover everything, it's on our fraud czar. So I think Trump is actively rat him. And then Marco Rubio wants to rise and I I'm on Marco Rubio rap alert here at I hip news because it's coming because think Trump will want to run one of his kids and the options are dumb and dumber or Ivanka. And we all know he likes Ivanka the most. They are floating that dumb aka Don Jr. Is going to take over the Apprentice.
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Shay Chuck
I saw that.
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Jen
And there is reporting that back when Trump retired from the Apprentice he said the only one who could replace me is Ivanka. And so this is a guy who talks about eugenics and he is, he's very much thinking about legacy right now. He's putting his name everywhere. So what's your take on the jockeying of the heir apparent?
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Shay Chuck
Yeah, well, there's one thing I would add to that list of responsibilities that he threw on J.D. vance, which he's also failed at, which is negotiating the war in Iran.
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Jen
Send him to Pakistan.
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Shay Chuck
Send him to Pakistan.
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Jen
Yes.
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Shay Chuck
No success there as well. Right. So like I mean he's setting him up to fail as this worked. This is not justifying the Trump strategy. But just so folks understand, this is actually kind of stereotypical of presidents will tend to give their hardest battles to their vice presidents. That the policy battles that they knew are likely failures so that they don't have to own it themselves. So that's absolutely what he's doing in terms of the Ivanka Trump stuff. I mean I just like, she blows my mind. The other day, she was quoted as using stoicism to basically defend her lack of empathy. She positioned stoicism as the reason that she could ignore the actions of her father, the actions of her brother, the actions of her husband, and say that I don't need to digest these actions because I'm just gonna focus on the things that make me feel good. That's not stoicism. Stoicism is looking towards empathy. It's looking towards justice. So this entire family is fucked up, right? And like, this idea that any of them are like the ideal runner up to Trump or that we would want any of them to come save us is ridiculous. They're all disgusting, they're all corrupt, and they've all been raised in this hellhole that they think is heaven. And it's not. We know it's just a disgusting place that's led to a disgusting family. And we should want them. We should want every single one of them as far away from power as humanly possible.
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Jen
Yeah. And I think we should want every single one of them held accountable for the corruption that they're engaging in, the drone deals that Dumb and Dumber have engaged in, Ivanka's husband and all of these double dealings with Saudi Arabia, and he's on the inside of all of this stuff with Trump's dipshit golfing buddy Witkoff. And they're the ones who are dog walking and lying probably to the American public and people in the cabinet to get us into this stupid war in Iran. So it's not just we don't want them around. The Democrats have got to start saying, not only are these people corrupt, but we're going to do something about it. Which brings me to. We can easily. We could do podcasts every day about how fucked up MAGA is, but it brings me to the opposition, which is the Democratic Party, because we live in a two party system, unfortunately. But unfortunately we do so. Pod Save America's Jon Favreau said this about the DNC's autopsy, the controversial autopsy report on the 2024 election. He did this yesterday. Play the clip.
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Charlie Goldinson
What I have heard that Ken Martin had his. His friend Pa, who was unpaid, went around and talked to people, didn't even talk to all the right people. A lot of people weren't interviewed at all. Did a shitty job. And Ken, the whole time was like just letting him do his thing. And then when he came back and didn't have any of the good information, then they just wrote up the report. What they had, it was a garbage report. And then Ken realized they couldn't release it. And so instead of either saying, like, this was a bad thing, I'm going to try another, we're going to try another autopsy, we're going to hire someone else, we're going to do it. Right. Has apparently just decided to not be honest about Charlie.
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Shay Chuck
Yeah. So first of all, say this is what I've heard also, just for the record, normally I wouldn't be like saying things that are unsubstantiated, but like this is the problem is that Ken Martin has turned Democratic voters, all of us, myself included, into conspiracy. Conspiracy theorists. Right. Like we don't know. And so of course people are going to say that it's Gaza. Of course people are going to say that the report was terribly written or terribly executed and therefore they can't release it. We don't know. And that's an enormous problem. And I think like one of the biggest issues here is that there is fundamentally, I think, a misunderstanding from the general public of what the DNC actually does. What Ken Martin actually does and what they actually do for the most part is raise money. Right? That's their job. They are like a fundraising mechanism for state parties in the Democratic Party who really focus on the presidential election, not really the midterms. They also set the primary schedule, they also set the debate requirements. I think the main problem here is that it doesn't matter that the general public is unaware of the actual responsibilities here because perception is everything, right? And it doesn't matter if Ken Martin thinks, oh well, people are too stupid to actually understand what I do. Perception is everything. You have now created a voting bloc. You've now created a donor class. You've now created an entire portion of, of our voters who think you're full of shit, who can't trust you, who think you're lying, and who frankly think that your responsibilities are something that you don't actually do. So they have created a story that didn't need to be a story. This thing could have been released and dropped and people would have forgotten about it for two weeks. But instead we now have the six month story that is actively doing damage to the Democratic Party. And Ken Martin has also said that he is focusing on winning elections, that he is focusing on looking forward. It is ridiculous in my mind to believe that this shit show that Ken Martin has created by not releasing this report, by lying about this report, by creating conspiracy theorists of the Democratic voting base that that will not have voter impact in the elections. People do associate Ken Martin with Democratic candidates, whether they actually have a responsibility or role there or not. That is how people perceive it. So if people do not trust Ken Martin, if people are losing trust in the dnc, of course they're going to lose trust in some of these Democratic candidates. And I. I just think it's. It's absolutely absurd. And they did that. They shot themselves in the foot here. It was such an unforced error. And every time I have this conversation or. Or hear this conversation, I want to pull my hair out.
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Jen
Yes. And I think that there's a through line here between the way MAGA treats their voter base and the way the Democratic Party is treating their voter base, which is in a very patronizing way, which is you get your orders from us and we. You vote blue no matter who. And yes, six months ago, we believed in transpar and we were going to release the full report. And six months later, we're, oh, no, we're looking forward. And then I used to hear this whole Uni Party argument, and I would be like, that's such bullshit. Because I lived in a red state. And there is a distinct difference between Republican policies and Democratic policies. But the disdain in the way these parties treat their voter base from an institutional level, the institution of the Democratic Party is so powerful, patronizing. To me, it's so patronizing to say you believe in transparency and then turn around and say nothing to see here we no longer believe in transparency.
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Shay Chuck
Yeah. I mean, something I would say to this audience listening here is like, one is. I would do. I think we should all do our best, frankly, to, like, try to attempt to try to separate Ken Martin and his performance here from the Democratic and progressive apparatus generally. Right. Like, do not let Ken Martin's terrible leadership and his inability to conduct an interview and his grotesque patronizing view in us to impact the way that you feel about your local Democratic candidates. He is not. The DNC is not creating their platforms. The DNC is not creating the policy positions for the people that are running in your districts. They're just simply not. They might be helping provide some fundraising dollars, but. But I just want folks to understand that, like, the DNC is not constructing messaging and policy for your candidates. So as hard as it is to separate the two, just because that guy is fucking up and looking like an idiot, making the DNC look terrible, do not that. Do not allow that to make you distrust the candidates who you actually like, who you are actually trusting. I think that's like a very important thing.
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Jen
No trickle down fuck ups.
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Shay Chuck
No, trickle down fuck ups. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Trickle down doesn't work.
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Jen
Yeah, exactly, exactly. So I think that's a really important point because we are in a really horrible time right now, and the opposition party has been underwhelming, to say the least. But there have been bright, shining fighters who have risen up that have given us hope, like Zorin Mamdani, like the two female governors that won in New Jersey and in Virginia. And you see that Democrats are winning. And so I believe fundamentally, the Democratic ruling class is going to have to start listening to the base at some point. And their days are numbered on that. You know, their corporate money they take. Those days are numbered. And so there's this little civil, civilized civil war going on in the Democratic Party. Which brings me to the Democratic California governor race. Well, I know you're from California. And you know, like two months ago it was like, it's going to be Governor Eric Swalwell. And then, you know, all that shit happened. And justifiably he is sent off to Never Never Land to sift through sexual abuse allegations and just other horrible things that he participated in. And that leaves you with this really crowded mess. And I want to talk to you specifically about Tom Steyer. So obviously it's really easy to hate billionaires right now, and it's kind of fun.
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Shay Chuck
Yes.
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Jen
To hate them. Right. And so this guy Tom is a billionaire running as a Democrat saying, tax me, tax me. Which I've always said, like, why doesn't Elon Musk, why doesn't Jeff Bezos, why aren't they saying, I want to show everybody, I want to pay taxes. I like this country, I want everybody to have health care. I want everybody to live a better life. But instead it's like, you know, resentment Party of one year Tables now available with these people on their Twitter streams. What is your take on him in a billionaire running?
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Shay Chuck
I. I think it's. I'm still attempting to figure it out. Right. So I grew up in San Francisco in the city. I'm from California. I live in New York now. I've been on the east coast for a while. I grew up knowing some of the Steyer family. Right. It's a close, small city. I think that some people are in California are saying that it is good how messy the California primary is, that that is what a jungle primary does. It forces battles, it forces this type of congestion. And ultimately the right person will prevail. And I think that we also have to acknowledge that the progressive base, not everybody, it's a bit splintered, but there is a progressive base that is starting to consolidate behind Steyer. Our revolution, which is no longer connected to Bernie Sanders as my understanding, but an organization that started with Bernie Sanders years and years ago, they have endorsed Tom Steyer. Basically every single environmental group in the country has stacked behind Tom Steyer. And it's hard to ignore that when you have somebody else like Becerra who I think is overall positive. Right. But we have to remember Becerra is taking the max amount of donations from Chevron. I believe it was like $39,000. Right. He is exceptionally unclear on where he stands on healthcare, specifically on single payer healthcare. Sometimes publicly he says he's for it, then he goes into back rooms with medical donors and says he's against it. And the reality with Tom Steyer is once you separate the billionaire piece, which is very hard to separate, but once you separate that, he's extremely clear on a lot of these positions. He supports single payer, he supports a billionaire tax. And a lot of people hit him on not being super strong in the billionaire tax support. But the reason he doesn't support it as much as we'd like him to. And by the way, he said absolutely he will vote for the billionaire tax in California. The reason he said he doesn't love it is because he thinks it's not strong enough. It's a one time tax. He thinks that the tax should be raised. He thinks that they should tax billionaires more and that the duration of that tax should be extended. And so I personally do struggle with somebody or anybody in politics or business who has basically spent their career building wealth. And then once they build that wealth, they feel like, okay, now's the time to give back. It's hard for me to trust that person because then the question is, well, if you had never built that wealth, would you be giving back or not? Right. But I do think the reality of political elections is that sometimes you have to choose the best of the options that you have. And for me, out of all those options on the table right now, as it stands, I do think that stire is probably the best option. It is extremely difficult for me to say that knowing he's a billionaire, it is weird. I don't quite understand it. But like, you know, and again, I'd like to say, like, it's messy, that campaign in the election is messy. But in terms of his message, in terms of his policy priorities, I do think frankly that he stands above the rest.
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Jen
I support him and I think that there's going to be a reckoning where everybody's kind of gonna. Everybody's going to have to come to terms with the fact that billionaires have to be taxed. We cannot afford these people. We cannot afford to have these people. And if a billionaire leads that charge because there's so much attribution, false attribution and deference given to these billionaires by all of these capitalists with no capital that, oh, we can't upset the billionaires, wealth is going to trickle down. All of these lies. That maybe somebody coming from inside the Death Star to say, tax me, and maybe a JB Pritzker doing the same and having a class of benevolent billionaires to say this is immoral. This is wrong taxes. I agree with you. How did they get there? All of that stuff. But at this stage in the fascist takeover, we have to get the public on board. We cannot afford these people. And the problem with the Republican party is they'll say, oh, we cut taxes. Well, yeah, they always cut it for the rich people, but they never cut them for working class people ever, ever, ever. And so, I don't know. I mean, he'll pro. He could make me eat my words at a later date. But I do think we're going to have to have actual billionaires, unlike Bill Ackman, who is an actual billionaire but who's a victim, and Elon Musk, who is a white supremacist victim. And we're going to have to have actual. That say, this is insane. Tax us. Tax us to hell and back.
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Shay Chuck
Yeah. I mean, two quick things on that, which is I'm not comparing Steyer to Zoron, but the way he will be held to account will be exactly like Zoron. Right. Which is the way that people are going to perceive Zoron's success in two years or 10 years is going to be was he able to accomplish the policies that he campaigned on? Right. If he's not, people might view his. Regardless of how well his leadership is and how many other policies he's successful on, if he's not able to execute the stuff he campaigned on, people may view that as a unsuccessful time in elected office. The same is going to happen with Steyer. Right. If he's running all this stuff as a billionaire and then he's not able to execute the stuff, then everybody's going to say, well, you're full of shit. And we trust billionaires even less than the other thing I'll say is this is not an endorsement. These are paid consultants, but people should know. I think that the consulting and the advisors to Steyer are the same advisors as who ran so runs campaign. They're the same advisors who ran Graham Platner in Maine. So just so folks understand that apparatus around Steyer, there are a lot of legitimate real progressives and not just supporters, but operatives who are helping there and who believe in his cause. So I think folks should understand that.
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Jen
I think this is interesting. I think that it could be an impetus that could be contagious among the billionaire class because the dam is breaking on this thing. And regardless of anything, I think that if a billionaire is saying tax me, we have to say, listen to them, you know, because this is a huge problem. All right, moving along, the Trump administration is preparing for a Democratic Congress. Pop this up. Kyle Griffin is reporting. The White House Counsel's office is giving private briefings to the Trump admin's political appointees on how to best prepare for congressional oversight as staff begin to brace for the likelihood of significant Democratic victories in the midterms, according to two people briefed on the topic. And before I get your take, I just want to say that this gives me a little bit of hope, combined with the fact that Trump, who I say is in his deathbed confession era, and he'll say, nobody understands why, but always the opposing party wins in the midterms. Nobody can explain it. So people around him are telling him, you know, the blue tsunami is coming. Despite that, I still think he'll cheat. He'll send eyes to the polls. He wants to militarize against the public. I believe all of those things. But getting these reports is important because I think a lot of people face these news stories and just think, fuck it, I'm going to be a nihilist. I don't give a shit anymore. And it's really important that we get everybody engaged and have massive voter turnout because we're never gonna get Republicans to peel off and vote for us. But we can get couch sitters to the polls that typically would end up voting Democratic.
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Shay Chuck
Yeah, I'd actually disagree with the last piece. I think we can get. I think we're not gonna get MAGA freaks to vote for us. I think there's some Republicans I think might be gettable, maybe just because you're
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Jen
from California, not from Oklahoma.
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Shay Chuck
Well, and the other thing I would say is, for me, it's not just about, about like, yes, we need to vote, of course. But I do think, like, when it comes to this story about the White House and Trump and his staff being briefed on, like, what does congressional oversight look like? Right. What we know from the past, from both his last presidency and this one, is that the administration doesn't really give a fuck about oversight. Right. Even when Dems have power. And so in my mind, there's like two questions there or things that have to happen. One is that they need to. The Democrats in Congress need to have oversight. Right. And they need to subpoena as often as possible. But then that media and the Democratic Party has to ensure that the bully pulpit is not forgetting what's happening. Right. Like, it's gonna be very easy for Trump to ignore subpoenas if media just treats it like another 24 hour news cycle. That's what they're gonna try to do. They're gonna try to create more news, they're gonna try to create more bullshit to bury the stories about the SUBO and bury the stories about impeachments and bury the stories about oversight. It is up to us, it is up to you. It is up to traditional news. It's up to the Democratic Party, Ken Martin, to ensure that voters are not forgetting about this stuff, to ensure that we're not forgetting that Republicans are breaking the law every day when they ignore these things. And that, to me, is the main thing of the story. It's like we already know what Trump and his admin is going to do. It's what are the Democrats going to do and what is media going to do to ensure that voters understand what's happening?
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Jen
Yeah. And how seriously is Hakeem Jeffries if he becomes speaker? How seriously is he going to take this? Because to me, you have to face the accelerator in the same way if you're driving a car in the same way that MAGA did, they came in and they smashed that accelerator through the floorboard. And look at how fast the breakage is. And it must be swift. And the biggest lesson we learned, the Merrick Garland lesson. Merrick Garland us. He us so hard, he lollygagged, he dithered, and now we're back here again. And I do not want this to be a contagion within the Democratic Party where we're always giving deference to criminals. We gave huge deference to Donald Trump and all of the people that funded January 6th. And I hope to God that they really accelerate through this thing.
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Shay Chuck
Yeah, I mean, I think we may have talked about this before. And so, excuse me if I'm repeating myself, but I think this is another good example of trying to make sure voters and everyone understands what institutions are and when we talk about the Trump administration or Trump trying to, or successfully breaking down a lot of these institutions, I think that people, we tend to view institutions as these non human, perpetually existing physical things. And they're not. Right. Our institutions are made up of people. It is up to people and human beings to maintain those institutions. And so that's not. You can't just think about that in the sense of what Trump has done to degrade institutions. You also have to think about that within the sense of the Democratic Party and Hakeem Jeffries, which is, if Hakeem Jeffries uses the excuse of, well, we don't have the power to do X, Y and Z, you have to say, you have to say, fuck you, Hakeem Jeffries. You are the institution. Use every leverage of power. And if you haven't figured it out, then go to somebody younger, more progressive to figure it out for you. That we have to. Or that Democrats have to, have to remain within our guardrails or have to keep the institutions that we hold. The institutions are crumbling around us. Right, right. And so if we continue to operate within the guardrails that are shrinking and shrieking and shrieking because of what Republicans are doing, we will continue to fail. So we need Democratic leadership who think outside the box, who are not scared to operate outside of the bounds of normalcy. And like, I'm with you. Like, I don't have a lot of faith that Hakeem Jeffries is going to be able to do that, but, like, there are tons of ton of younger, more progressive elected who I think can, and we should be trusting them and handing the reins to them to do this.
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Jen
Okay. And speaking of Democrats we don't trust, I would be remiss if I didn't bring up chuckles Chuck Schumer. And so should we take the Senate back? I. And this is just this fantasy world that I live in sometimes where I want Dems to be badasses. I want them to go, we won. Fuck you, Chuck Schumer. We won despite you. You're no longer gonna be the Senate Majority Leader. And I get in this fantasy world that the Democrats would do something so bold, but you and I both know they won't. And so what are your thoughts on Chuck Schumer in this moment in time?
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Shay Chuck
This isn't a pivot. It's a genuine answer, which is, I wanna actually talk about Maine with this, which is Janet Mills, who was the primary challenger running against Graham Platner in Maine, just dropped out. The reason that she was running in the first place was basically because Chuck Schumer told her to.
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Jen
Right?
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Shay Chuck
Right. And Janet Mills is like the. On paper, she's like the perfect example of the ideal establishment Democratic candidate. Decades of experience, neoliberal policies, speaks and talking points, friends with all the establishment elite. And she didn't just lose the election, she had to drop out before the election even happened because she was gonna get so destroyed. And that, to me, is a reflection of the Chuck Schumer era politics. Right? It was him and his people who believed that she was a better option, that she was the right option. And not just the right option, but that it was strategically smart for them to put her out there in Maine to fund her, to put super PAC money behind her. And they failed miserably. Right? So not only in my mind is like Chuck Schumer in that era of leadership behind on a policy standpoint, right? Like, not only are they backwards on single payer healthcare, backwards on Gaza, but strategically at this time in politics, they're failing. Also, their calculus is wrong. They believe that the candidates who people will vote for, nobody wants them. Right. And it's so obvious that they have to drop out before the primaries even happen to protect themselves from the embarrassment. So that's what I think of Chuck Schumer. He is. He is. We are allowed to respect some of these elected officials and Democrats. We are allowed to honor the positive work that they've done in the past while also acknowledging that your time is up, you are done. You are no longer benefiting the party. You are only damaging us. So, like, get out of the fucking way.
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Jen
You know, I agree, like, you've done some good stuff in the past, but currently you suck. Yes, you just currently suck. And this is a time where I think the electorate is so thorough for distinct robust opposition that is very morally clear. And the problem that I have with Chuckles and Hakeem is they play patty cake with the same donors. Yeah, they play patty cake with the same donors that fund Palantir, that fund apac. And so final thoughts. Shay. Chuck are one of our favorite New York correspondents here at IHIP News. Leading into all of the midterms, what is your prediction? The House and the Senate Dems plus how many or Rs. Plus how many?
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Shay Chuck
Oh, God, I don't know. I'll hold you to it. No, I think. I think Dems are going to do exceptionally well. I really hope, I really think, and I would, I really do. And I would also encourage folks to remember too, though, that like, like the success of the Democrats or the failure of the Democrats in these midterm elections does not really relate to the Ken Martin or the dnc. The DNC is focused on the general. They don't really involve themselves in the midterms. So Ken Martin is going to try to take credit for the success. People are going to blame him if there's failures. Let's get out of the weeds a little bit. That's not really actually the responsibility. That being said, I have faith Dems are going to do well. I also have faith that Trump is going to send ice and agents to the polls. Polls. We need to do our best to make people feel comfortable, to feel safe, feel secure, and actually give people a reason not to be nihilistic, a reason actually to go out and vote. So everybody listening to this, we know that when it comes to organizing, the people who have the most effective ability to message and get people out to the polls are friends, family. So even if you're scared to volunteer or nervous to volunteer or don't want to donate, text your friends, text their family, make sure that they are going out out to vote. If we can do that at scale, we will win.
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Jen
That's right. Please follow my friend Shay. Check that C H E Z C H U C K and he will be back on. We're both in New York. I think you have great energy that the Democratic Party needs. Thank you for always being available to come on.
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Shay Chuck
Thanks, Jen. You too. Appreciate it.