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Stephen Miller, who is really running Trump's agenda, has made absolutely clear that he does not want immigrants. He is a white supremacist. He wants Americans for Americans only. He wants to purge like a hundred million people from the United States. So the New Republic did an article that I think is super interesting regarding his immigration and that his family immigrated from Russia. Put this up, Kylie. So Greg Sargent for the New Republic says Stephen Miller is employ is employing state terror in service of the open goal of shifting the ethnic mix of the country in numerous ways. He is doing this at the expense of public safety. We spent weeks reporting on Miller's real aims. The result is in the piece and I've read the piece and we're going to talk about it. But before I could get to it, Katie Miller, who is married to this man who worked for Elon Musk, she goes after the article because of the picture of Stephen Miller. This is an abhorrent image meant to incite violence. This is who far left, who I was confidently told was trying to bring down the hateful Rhettic rhetoric. What a joke these people are. This is how left wing terror is perpetrated. What is she talking about? I, I do not get it. This looks exactly like her husband.
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Do you think this is they. These people are a two to three trick pony. All they have is they do all of these diabolical, evil Nazi style things. That's what they do. And then when you call them out appropriately and you make the appropriate historical and accurate parallel and you say Stephen Miller is a fascist, Stephen Miller behaves like a Nazi. Then they say the left is trying to kill us. This is. She's a one trick pony. This is the only defense she has. She cannot come out and say, I am so hurt that you all would think that my husband and I are white nationalists. I'm so disturbed that you all would think that we're racist. We believe in human rights, we believe in social justice. She can't say that because she doesn't believe in that and none of the people on that side believe in that. So their defense, when they're accurately called Nazis and when they're accurately called white nationalists and when they're accurately to call called fascists, their defense is to say you're trying to have us killed. Because they can't defend it because that's who they are. That's what that's about.
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Well, and what's so interesting to me is she posts this tweet, tweet about the picture. She's mad about the picture. And she doesn't say anything. She doesn't refute anything in the article that it says about the policies that he has created. And at the same time, she's saying the left is trying to kill us. Donald Trump gets on his lie social and the tweet heard round the world that was vile and hateful about Rob Reiner. I almost, I probably gave her too much credit, but I almost thought, is she trying to distract from how abhorrent, abhorrent Donald Trump's behavior was? And then I thought, no, that's giving her too much credit. I completely agree with what you said. She's just, they don't have a leg to stand on to defend this because they feel that way. And so before we dig into the article, I just wanted Steven Miller, in his own words, to tell us how he feels about immigration, the impact of immigration.
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Every public policy issue we discuss, we talk about. Test scores will. If you subtract immigration out of test scores, all of a sudden our test scores skyrocket. If you subtract immigration out of health care, all of a sudden we don't have nearly the size of the health care challenges our country faces. If you subtract immigration out of public safety, all of a sudden we don't have violent crime in so many of our cities. Issue after issue, we talk about these things as. They just happen to us. The schools just suddenly fail. Violent crime just suddenly explodes. The deficit just suddenly skyrockets. These are a result of social policy choices that we made through immigration.
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Can you imagine saying that when you are the son of Russian Jewish immigrants that came to this country and became affluent? By all accounts, in the article like that, you sit there with a straight face and you say all the problems in America would not exist if there were no immigrants. That, that to me is not shocking, but it, it really kind of takes my breath away, given his background.
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Well, furthermore, if you would subtract the Millers from the Trump administration, you would have a couple less Nazi fascists in the administration. Secondly, I would like to point out that the states that have the highest immigration population in their schools are ranked much higher than the states that have a lower immigrant population in their schools. Look no further than the disparity of blue and red states. Our home state of Oklahoma is ranked 50th dead last in education. The schools are not overrun with a bunch of immigrant children. Is there an immigrant population within the schools? Yes, but nowhere near what there is in New York or in California. Not only is he lying, he is Race baiting, intentionally throwing red meat to a white supremacist, dumbed down, morally depraved Fox News viewership. And this type of Nazi style propaganda is the reason that I think the New Republic and every other publication around should be covering this man non stop because they cannot defend him. Their only defense about people accurately describing him as a Nazi or as a fascist is, oh my God, you're trying to have me killed. And it's simply the most accurate and the most intellectually honest description we can have of these people. And to do anything different would be, it would be an error in journalism. It would be a complete historical inaccuracy. This is serious stuff. And the, the human rights erosion and the racism and the anti American policies that this man is perpetrating on the United States of America. America because he's emotionally stunted, 4 foot 10 inches tall. I guess his parents don't like him, his family doesn't like him anymore, and his wife's a total thirst trap. Nut out. You know, interviewing Snooze Fest Elon Musk and then even snoozier fest Cash Patel on our podcast. We all are being tortured by these people's inner child issues. And the most accurate thing we can all do right now is call a spade a spade. And the Millers are a stain on the United States of America. But deeper than that, an absolute stain on humanity. They, they don't stand up for anything. Anything except for this whole idea of white supremacy. I mean, what, what a window into their soul that you can't stand up for marginalized people when, as Pumps pointed out, Stephen Miller's avenue, the route in which he came to the United States of America was because his family were refugees.
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Right?
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They were refugees, yeah.
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Pop this up from the article. It's a perfect time to bring it up. So it the New Republic story tracks how his ancestors came to the United States. And in bold, it says, at the time, many Americans didn't think people like Miller's ancestors were fit to become part of the United States. They were targeted by a virulent strain of nativism toward those from Southern and Eastern Europe that was largely about race. Fast forward two generations. Pop this up, Kylie. Talking about Stephen Miller. Miller has outlined something more comprehensive and sinister, an elaborate worldview that has escaped notice in mainstream media. It centers immigrants as a threat to civilization in terms that echo the rhetoric of those determined to exclude people like his ancestors. So what I found super interesting about this article, I already knew that Stephen Miller thirsted. I mean, hate was Nourishment to him. Cruelty got him off. What I found so interesting, in just two generations, he would turn the same tactics that were used against his family that his family was able to overcome and become affluent. He would talk, talk the same talk and use the same tactics that were used against his family in mass against so many immigrants. I just found that to be the most fascinating part of this article. You guys, I had the best gift ever. It's personal, and the person receiving it will absolutely love it. And that is an aura frame. I have gotten the A frame for my parents, my siblings. They absolutely love it, and it's easy to use. ARA frames are unlimited photos and videos that you can download directly from your iPhone to your frame. It's a personalized gift and it comes with a gift box. So share your photos and videos effortlessly with the people that you love and get an aura frame for a limited time. Save on the perfect gift by visiting araframes.com to get $35 off Arras bestselling carver mat frames named number one by wire cutter by using promo code IHIP at checkout. That's araframes a u r a frames.com promo code ihip. This deal is exclusive to our listeners, and frames sell out fast. So order yours now to get it in time for the holidays. Support the show by mentioning us at checkout. Terms and conditions apply.
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Yeah, you know, it reminds me of like. But we've seen this before. Think of Clarence Thomas. You know, he.
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He is.
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His main benefactor is. What's his name? Harlan Crow.
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Crow.
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Yeah. And this guy is a huge white supremacist, racist Nazi who collects Nazi China from like the, you know, from the Reich, from Hitler's military. And he has a black person on the Supreme Court. And Clarence Thomas has received a lot of money and probably should be expelled from the court. Kicked out of the court for this. Yeah, should be. And so this whole thing we've seen where you think that it's some sort of internalized, you know, Clarence Thomas has internalized racism. Stephen Miller, I. My only thing that I can come to conclusion with him is that, you know, his family speaks out adamantly against him. Maybe he, you know, nobody likes him. Maybe nobody on the planet likes him. I don't know what the deal is, but the cruelty and the sociopathy and I just think he was probably born with. He's a psychopath. He was born with this mental condition, and he's a total psychopath. And I. It's wild because even Trump said pumps. You remember that video we played where he said, let's give it up for Stephen Miller. And he's done so many great things and you don't want to know what he really thinks. He said something alluding to just how depraved he is, but he didn't want to say it in public. Do you remember that, how crazy that was?
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Because that is what he says out loud on Fox News is. And in his press briefings, it's worse. In his head, it's absolutely worse. So I just, I found the article fascinating. It was a good, really fascinating, like this video. Subscribe to our channel and we will be back with more news.
Title: Katie Miller Humiliates Herself Again Defending Nazi Stephen Miller
Hosts: Jennifer Welch & Angie “Pumps” Sullivan
Date: December 19, 2025
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This episode delves into the recent controversy surrounding Katie Miller's public defense of her husband, Stephen Miller—former Trump aide and architect of stringent anti-immigrant policies—following a New Republic article examining Miller’s white nationalist ideology. Jennifer and Pumps unpack how Katie’s responses reveal the playbook of the political right, examine the disturbing legacy and personal contradictions of Stephen Miller, and offer a comedic but incisive critique of white supremacist politics in America.
Overview of the New Republic Article
Ethnic Cleansing Rhetoric:
Katie’s Outrage Over Imagery, Not Substance
Defensive Tactics of the Right
A clip of Stephen Miller is played, blaming immigrants for test scores, healthcare struggles, and violent crime.
Hosts contextualize the hypocrisy: Miller himself is the descendant of Russian Jewish refugees.
Angie (“Pumps”) debunks Miller's claims about immigrants and education.
The hosts assert that Miller’s statements are intentional racist propaganda targeted at Fox News viewers.
The New Republic article documents that Miller's ancestors were once considered undesirable immigrants, facing nativist bigotry.
Jennifer and Pumps dig into the psychology: how does someone from a refugee family become the figurehead for anti-immigrant cruelty?
The hosts compare Stephen Miller with Clarence Thomas, highlighting how both have internalized and perpetuated the very bigotry once directed at them or their communities.
Jennifer speculates about Miller's personal motivations, labeling him a "psychopath" lacking empathy, whose family publicly disagrees with him.
Lively, sarcastic, and unapologetically progressive. The hosts blend humor and outrage, using anecdotes and pop culture references to keep the discussion engaging while driving home their condemnation of white supremacist ideology in American politics.
This episode is an insightful, critical, and often darkly funny breakdown of how the personal, the historical, and the political collide within the Miller family saga—and what it says about America’s current struggle with racism, fascism, and denial in political discourse. The hosts argue for directness and honesty: “Call a spade a spade,” they insist, refusing to sanitize the threat of modern nativist policies.