Host 2 (5:07)

Well, because here's the thing, they want to terrorize American citizens. And I hear from Christine all the time after she was defending the man that murdered Renee Good. She said, well, he's following his training. He's following his training. Well then you realize there really is no training. And then I stumbled across an article where in 40 years cases, ICE agents are putting chokehold on human beings. And that is a ban tactic. And like every law enforcement, you cannot do chokehold. And they're doing it routinely. So is that their training? Are they being trained in ban tactics? And then I came across this and this really spoke to who these people are. There was a 16 year old American citizen that was with his father. I put him in a chokehold. And this is according to ProPublica, they put him in a chokehold, stole his phone, and then when he went to go retrieve his phone, they said they didn't have it. And he later found it in a vending machine for used electronics. So it appears that the ICE agents stole his phone and sold it and kept the money and did not give a shit that he was 16, that he was documented or that he was in a chokehold. Adding insult to injury, they stole his fence. I mean, these are the bottom feeders of the world. And so here is a video that was taken in Minneapolis and I want Jennifer to comment on it because it's the arrogance and it tells you exactly who the people and ICE are.

ICE Agent (6:49)

I don't care what they told you. If you guys get in my way, I will arrest you. Sir, we're just observing.

Host 1 (6:54)

Please come.

ICE Agent (6:54)

You're observe all you want.

Host 1 (6:55)

I am observing. Do you see me in the way I am back.

ICE Agent (7:00)

You had anger issues as a kid, didn't you? Were your parents present? You should be ashamed of yourself, man.

Host 1 (7:08)

He is. You love your job.

ICE Agent (7:12)

I can't believe I get paid for this.

Host 1 (7:15)

Really?

ICE Agent (7:15)

I do this for free.

Host 1 (7:16)

Really? I get 200k. I'm a physician assistant.

ICE Agent (7:20)

How long did you go to school for that?

Host 2 (7:28)

So that's who these people are. They would do this job for free, Meaning they enjoy terrorizing people while they wear masks. They love the fact that they are making as much money as a graduate degree because they're rounding up the people that the Trump administration and Stephen Miller hate. It's so gross.

Host 1 (7:51)

And it goes deeper than, than just Trump and Stephen Miller hating these people. We have to reconcile in this country, racism is still so ubiquitous. You get to Bible Belt States, listener, those of you that live abroad, that listen and those of you that live on the coast, the racism that this administration has, they're emboldened to do now. It's always been there, incubating the whole time. You can, if you cared enough, listener, to sit down with African American friend, if you have any, and ask them, are you surprised by all of this that this government is doing this? And go, no. This has been my experience in this country for a very long time. My neighborhoods have always been policed like that. Cops have always treated me like that. And this is, this is where I'm coming from with all of this. And this is my mantra in a lot of these episodes. You guys, when we tell ourselves the lies, we tell ourselves that we are a nation of equality, but we leave groups of people vulnerable. We tell ourselves that lie. And we're not protecting the vulnerable. And we're allowing our tax dollars to bully people and to over police neighborhoods under even Democratic politicians. And then this all happens here. This has been incubating in this country. Trump didn't just create all of this. This has been there My experience in Oklahoma City, you guys, during Obama administrations, during Joe Biden administrations, when my son was playing AAU basketball, white families with their little white darlings did not want their kids playing with black basketball players. And this is within the last five to six years, I experienced this stuff. And so we have a fundamental problem of a country and messaging that we haven't linked all of these human rights and that we haven't really taken over the finish line, that we are a multi faith, multicultural society that embraces, that we incubate horrible, horrible foreign policy. If you look at Vietnam, if you look at all of the regime changes in the Middle east, all of the regime changes in Latin America, and then all of a sudden they shoot these fishermen. We're like, oh, my God, the United States shot people in the Caribbean. The United States has been doing that forever. And so it's important, as we call out how the mask is off with this administration, while the mask is on ice, it's important that we really talk historically about how all of this has been incubated. And our European listeners and international listeners, they've seen it because they haven't been inside the arrogant American media ecosystem and they've seen this American arrogance and they've seen the brutality towards black people and the injustice and the mistreatment of it. But the one thing I don't know how to do is I don't know how to teach people empathy. Because these people, the third of Americans that vote for this man, that triple trump, that see the shooting of Renee Good and think that that is warranted and that there was some, somebody's life was in danger when she got shot in the face. They have no empathy. They do not care about other human beings. And I don't know how else, how you get. Take somebody who claims to be this uber religious person and when it comes to caring for marginalized people, for human rights, they simply don't. They simply do not care. If you mention to these people, like, hey, you know, this poor kid lives in this rural town and he's, you know, he's gay and his family's mean to him and his church is mean to him. Want to know that doesn't affect me. I don't know. I culturally, morally, don't know how you get people to care for other people.

Host 2 (12:24)

No, I don't either. And I. To kind of piggyback off what you were saying, the, the triple Trumpers overwhelming majority, 80% of evangelical white Christians voted for Trump. I grew up in that world. I grew up in a Family like that. I grew up in a community like that. Racism was so ingrained until I got around other people outside of my community, I didn't even know it was racism. I had to get outside the community to figure all that because it was so ingrained. And in terms of teaching.

Host 1 (13:01)

Hang on, I want to say something there.

Host 2 (13:02)

Okay.

Host 1 (13:03)

They do know it's racism because people regulate their speech. They will say in white circles what they feel is safe to say in racism, but around black people, they won't say it. And this is something that we have to also address. Because when people have the ability to regulate, when they're all in an all white world and they drop an N word or they make a racist joke, but they wouldn't say that in front of black people. They know. And we always allow white people off the hook by saying they have no idea it's racist. Well, they do because they're not out screaming. At least the racists that I've known that have said safe where they think I'm a safe person to be racist, in front of which I've always called them out. But like these, these parents that I had the basketball issue with, they never went to the black coach and said, hey, we don't want our white boys playing on this team because we don't like black people. They just went to the white people and said that. And then after the fact, then they claim, I had no idea that was racist. They know if people consciously pick and choose how and where they use their speech, they know. And we mustn't let people off the hook because no other class of people gets let off the hook like this. And letting people off the hook like this is in the same psychological baking of Donald Trump white impunity. And they know, they know. They went to school. They know. You can't drop the N word in front of black people. They know. They know it's racist.

Host 2 (14:45)

No, I was saying, like as a child, like in elementary school until.

Host 1 (14:49)

I'm not talking about you, honey. I'm not talking about you.

Host 2 (14:52)

I'm sorry. No, I don't even know what you're saying.

Host 1 (14:54)

I'm not talking about you, Pumps. I'm talking about like the people that we've known that we know they regulate, you know, these basketball families. Oh yeah, we know how they regulate. I'm not talking about you personally, Pumps. The people who, who, who try to provide cover by. And the people around them that, that enable it and say, well, they don't really think it's racist in their mind. They don't think it's racist. Well, they know if somebody can personally self regulate their ability to say racist things based on who they're around, they know. And that's a part of this danger. And this is where we get really deep into all of this stuff. But the big flashing question pumps for all of us right now is why has Trump gotten away with all this shit?

Host 2 (15:38)

Right?

Host 1 (15:39)

Why does he get away with this? Well, a big part of it is white people get away with a lot of shit. And so that's why I jumped in. Not about you pumps, but about white people that we know that we grew up around that claim that they're not racist and then we allow them to get away with that instead of saying, well wait a minute Donna, you sure don't say that stuff around our, around black people. But you sure have no problem saying around me, you certainly know it's racist because you self regulate your speech. And that's kind of, it's, it's deeper. But I think it's something that I've noticed a lot about white people. They claim they're not racist, yet they still regulate their speech depending upon which crowd they're around.

Host 2 (16:22)

No, I can confirm that absolutely. And I think the only in terms of teaching empathy, you have to have a diverse culture or these people never are around anybody but white people and they all share the same opinion. That's why diversity is so important. That's why appreciating multiculturalism is so important, because these people are around a homogeneous group. And then something that I just, I'm super anxious to see the results of, there was a huge ICE data breach. So after the shooting of Renee Good and all the that ICE is doing and so many questions, who are these people? Are they white supremacists? How are they trained? So a leak was made of up to 45 names, numbers, identifying markers, contact of these ICE workers. And this site says we're going to release this. And what I'm anxious to see is how do you link the people that were now employed by ice? What is their background, what's their criminal record, what's their history online? Are they radical white supremacists, those kind of things. So we have a site that's going to go do all this. They're going to do the hard work for us and I'm anxious to hear that. So then on the heels of this site saying we're going to make an announcement, they were cyber attacked and they, the I founder said the website was overwhelmed by malicious web track. Traffic after the Daily Beast reported that a huge cachet of personal IDs had been leaked to the site. Here's the thing I read online, and in this article right here, it says, massive ICE goons ID halted by cyber attack from Russia. So my first thought was, why would Russia care? Russia wants the United States of America to continue to pull itself apart. They don't have to come in and do anything because we're creating our own civil war between factions. And I just thought, again, Russia is controlling so much of our policy. You know, they've got Donald Trump because they've got the picture and video or whatever, but they have a vested interest in the United States of America just fighting against itself. I thought that was all stunning.

Host 1 (18:41)

Yeah, I completely agree. And we all know, I mean, these ICE thugs, these. We all know these are the worst of the worst. These are the people that are, you know, consume the manosphere. And there is. There are really great men, really great, even white men in this country. I don't want to beat up on a particular, you know, brand of people. And I say that right now because it's. It's a time for white men in this country that are real protectors of the marginalized, that use their privilege for good. And it is going to take a. An army of decent, good, unbroken people to stand hand in hand to take on these monsters that have taken over our country. And we have to remember it's very important that nobody says, God, can you believe Trump is doing all of this? He campaigned on this. This ICE stuff. He campaigned on it. This is a campaign promise delivered. And we waved our hands, you know, did our part when we were starting this podcast, that this is what was going to happen. And it's happening. And you have Joe Rogan recently talking about, we just can't have the Gestapo. And so I hope that more people that really, really care about other human beings and quit calling, you know, human beings illegal and quit demonizing them and can stand up for our multicultural society. Because here's the thing. We're fucked up as a country. I mean, international listeners, I get it. We're arrogant, we're loud, we're ethnocentric. Guilty, guilty, guilty. But we're also fucking cool, right? And the one thing we learned when we went to school here, grade school, was about the Statue of Liberty greeting refugees and the marginalized and embracing that we are a melting pot and we are a multicultural society. And maybe there's 1/3, 3 out of 10, racist, unempathetic, hypocritical freak show Christians. Okay, they're there. But 70% of us, 7 out of 10, dig the shit out of this country. We dig the shit out of our multiculturalism. And I'll be God damned if I'm going to let these pink arm, low T and freak show Christian women like Riley Gaines and Erica Kirk take away the advancement of women in this country and take away our ability to embrace and enjoy multiculturalism and do what real Christians are supposed to do. Why I, that lifelong unapologetic atheist, have more conviction about standing up for the marginalized than these freak shows on Fox should tell you everything you need to know about their religion. It is performative bullshit. It is a for profit religion. All right. I think that's all we have, right? Pumps? Yep.

Host 2 (22:06)

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Host 1 (22:14)

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