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Why have I asked my electrician I found on Angie.com to bury my pet hamster? I was so moved by how carefully he buried my electrical wires, I knew I could trust him to bury my sweet nibbles after his untimely end. This is very strange, Angie, the one you trust to find the ones you trust. Find pros for all your home projects@angie.com and we just look at this for a second. And normally I wouldn't, but I'm bringing it back to everything, which is, look at this fucking gold eagle that he's standing up on. That is clearly cheap and clearly a toy.
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All right, welcome to the Ihip News, the I've had it podcast studio in New York City. Our first in person guest, New Yorker Charlie Goldinson. He also known on Instagram as Shay, like in the house of Cheesy Chuck. He is a progressive political strategist, producer and commentator. From managing local races to working in the White House, advising celebrities and humanitarians like chef Jose Andres and running digital political media companies. Charlie has now taken his political commentary and strategic guidance to social media, where he has gained a significant following. So significant that I was in the West Village the other day and some girls came up to like, jennifer, we love you. And I thought they were going to fangirl on me. They're like, we loved your guest, Charlie. We followed him now.
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I'm sorry to pull the attention away
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B
from you, but that's okay.
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A
Pretty nice. All right.
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B
I would like to just completely dive into. I personally love Republican gay sex scandals.
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A
Beautiful.
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A lot. And so the husband of Kristi Noem, whom I will affectionately refer to as Big Titty Brian, he is now threatening to tell all. And some reporting from the Daily Beast come out. Brian himself admitted in a phone interview with the Daily Mail he met a woman on Only Fans, a website primarily used by married men to purchase content from what are typically amateur porn stars. In the same call with the Mail, he denied putting US national security risk. Security at risk by speaking with online adult film stars. But they did not deny the relationship or his bimbo activities. And I believe this is called bimbofication is what he does when he puts on his rack and then gets on Only Fans. Here's something. I just really am curious about this whole thing. Who do you think leaked this?
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So this is. This is Twitter sphere. So, like, who knows? But I've. What I've heard is that there was actually like an undocumented or immigrant sex worker who. Who had knowledge of the story and released it to A reporter and leaked it to a reporter initially, which, whether I hope that's true, I hope that's the real case. But to me, it's like, you know, all these motherfuckers are going to get what's coming to them. And like, to me, this is like a perfect, perfect example of just like one little drop, one little punch back in the face to say you were so hypocritical. The hypocrisy here is insane. The entire administration is based on lies, on hatred, on bullshit. And what I love about this story is it's so fucking funny. It just allows us to laugh. It allows us to point and laugh. And it allows us to say, as always, we know that this is the case. We know these guys are crazy freaks. And that's not to kink, shame, like, teach their own right. Like, we know that, like everything they use and all the language they weaponize to hate on our most marginalized communities. Like, it's just. And they're just operating in the shadows and shamed to do so.
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Yeah. And I think the important part here is I, I don't give a. If Kristi Noem has an affair. I don't care if Kristi Noem's husband likes to put on big titties and make a duck face. What I care about is the lie in front of Congress when they sat there and said we have a godly marriage. And this horrible phrase that the Republican Party uses all of the time, traditional families, traditional marriage. And that is a very exclusionary, bigoted phrasing. Coded. They try to make it coded. Kind of like when Trump refers to cities, what he's referring to when he says cities are black people. And so this lie, as they sit there and tell people we have a godly marriage and they Christian signal to their base that we can do whatever we want to do because we're right with Jesus. I think that is one of the more insidious things that MAGA does to its base, because in swaths of America, the only culture they have is with their church. That's where they're all of their social activities, their friend group center. And to take somebody's religion and just brazenly lie to them like that. And Big Titty Brian took part in that when he sat behind his wife at the congressional hearings. I would normally have empathy for him or just. I just wouldn't care. People, people are freaks. They like to do freaky things sexually. But the fact that he helped lie for her while she is taking orders from Stephen Miller to harass peaceful protesters in Minneapolis who are getting killed. That shit's just diabolical. And I just think we need to expose these fucking hypocrites every chance we get.
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Yeah, completely. I also think that, like, these, to your point, like, I don't want to shame anybody for, like, living as their true selves and doing what they need to do. But, like, that's not the full story here. First, he's not living as his true self. He's burying this, and his wife is burying this, and the administration is burying this. They're living a life of lies, and they're using those lies to project their own hatred on others. And it's not just hatred. These are people in power. These are people with influence. These are people shaping the policies that define the everyday lives of everyone and again, specifically our most marginalized communities. And the other thing with this, too, is there's a lot of discussion because it's very easy to kind of expand this and compare Big Titty Brian to all these fights and arguments around trans rights. Right. But to me, it's so much broader than that. To your exact point about the traditional family and traditional gender roles, this just shows that the traditional hierarchy, the traditional gender role setup of these marriages is bullshit.
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Totally.
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It's made up. And even the people at the highest levels of government with the most attention on them, the ones who are spending tens of million dollars to get on a fucking horse and put on a cowboy hat and say that we're gonna deport you, even them know that behind the scenes, there is no definition to traditional marriage, that you can do whatever you want. And so, again, it's not to shame this man, but it is to say if you are going to pretend this isn't true, if you're gonna pretend this is not how people live and act, and then you're going to attack women, others, then you. Of course, we get to attack the hypocrisy over and over and over again.
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Yeah. And I think the shame is in shaming the hypocrisy. Yeah, I. I think that, you know, when you look at Lindsey Graham, AKA Lady Graham, when you look at Moses, Mike, you look at these fucking hypocrites in the MAGA movement, you look at Donald Trump, and they're just all such bullshit artists, every single one of them. But speaking of bullshit artists, let's talk about Erica Kirk and what I believe one of the most important political videos made of this year is what Drewski did. Because I think in order for the Democrats to create the Blue Tsunami and get the executive branch back. We have to inject ourselves into the culture and what Drew Ski did in putting a mirror up to the Christie gnomes of the world, to the Erica Kirk's of the world. Say, this is how y' all act and this is the way it's perceived. It's the same hypocrisy as Big Titty Bryant, and we're not buying it. Well, here's Donald Trump. A video of him weighing in, I guess. Erica Kirk was at the White House yesterday for Trump's Easter lunch, which. Another bullshit thing. And. And he tells Erica Kirk the following. Play the clip.
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C
A thing called Happy Easter. Do we have that? Everyone happy? Anybody that doesn't want to load up? Wow, this is a good tape. I like that table. You're doing well. Right? Okay. I think you should sue him. But, you know, I told her, you ought to sue somebody. They're so jealous of Erica. I said, you know, sue. They're right. You. I can say you're not allowed to say this. You have to be nicer. Sue their ass off.
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B
Okay, Charlie, a couple thoughts.
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First is, do we have the ability to actually pull up that clip of the Trump clip one more time? And if not, it's fine?
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Yeah, we do.
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Can we just look at this for a second? And normally I wouldn't, but I'm bringing it back to everything, which is, look at this fucking gold eagle that he's standing in front that is clearly cheap and clearly a toy. And like, I'm not gay, but, like, I know what camp means. And like, to me, that's like the most camp. Over the top, ridiculous in the best way, you know, tool. And it's like, again, it's just. It's bullshit. Like, these people are. It's all an act. But back to Drew Ski. What you said, I think is what's getting forgotten here, which is if you watch the video, he's not even really making fun of her. He's like genuinely just holding up a mirror till her actual did exactly what she did, doing exactly what she does. He's just, you know, holding a spotlight on her exact actions. And of course, this thing gets hundreds of millions of views. Republicans, Ted Cruz freak out. Of course, the same Republicans who scream that comedy is dead. And Elon Musk, who's sitting on stages with the chainsaw screaming about comedy being dying. They're the same ones freaking out about this. It's a recurring theme in not just the Republican Party, but in fascist movements, is the hypocrisy Again, and I think that I agree with you. The skit is. I didn't realize it when I first started watching it, and by the end of it, my jaw was on the floor. So I was like, this is one of the most significant pieces of political content I've ever seen my life.
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It is, to me, it is the way forward. Because we have to do. Charlie. Reputational damage to the MAGA brand. Like the JD Vance couch stuff is a. But we need to keep going because this guy's writing a book, you know, that he's, you know, he's changed his name three times. J.D. vance, he's changed his religion three times. He's written a book on Catholicism where he put a image of a Methodist church on the COVID And not to mention the varying degrees of eyeliner he wears frequently. And J.D. vance is young, diabolical, and he wants to be the heir apparent of this movement. He's far more terrifying than Trump. And so we need to not only talk about how Democratic policies, progressive Democratic policies can deliver for Americans, but also show the world what fucking buffoons and hypocrites these people are. And then moving along here, we cannot forget about the Epstein files because that's really why we're at war with Iran, because the president of the United States, who has vast support from white evangelical Christians, is mentioned in the Epstein files where kids, little girls are getting raped over 1 million times. They don't give a shit about those kids. So he starts a sworn Iran more
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times, more times in Harry Potter is referenced in the Harry Potter books, by the way. Yeah.
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Wow. And so Jen Shaw says that Ghisain Maxwell was treated very differently and was dismissive of Epstein victims. Let's play this clip and I want your take on this.
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She is treated very differently there. And, you know, I didn't have a lot of interaction with her. There's no remorse there. And again, I obviously don't know all the details of the case or whatever, but I mean, we know enough. It was a lot when the victims would be on TV and talking, she was just complete disregard for them, you know, and this is when they are pouring their hearts out in front of Congress and for this files to be released and stuff. And so to see that kind of behavior when there are real victims that you're seeing and what they've gone through and to be so dismissive of that, that just didn't sit with me the right way.
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Kind of reminds you of the way Pam Bondi.
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I was thinking the exact same thing. I was preparing myself to say that,
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oh, my gosh, great minds.
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With the hands behind her at the heat. Yeah, yeah. That's what I was picturing, too. Yeah. What we're referencing is when Pam Bondi did a. Was it a congressional hearing or a congressional committee? And somebody asked her, you know, will you commit to basically interviewing, to having the Department of Justice interview anyone who is affected by this, who comes forward? And she said, of course we will. And at that moment, there is almost a dozen women who have been sexually abused by Epstein or by people in the Epstein file standing behind her with their hands up because they have not yet been interviewed by the Department of Justice, even though they've made themselves available and given their stories and given their testimony. Yeah. Again, hypocrisy, cognitive dissonance. These people, I mean, it reminds me a lot of. Again, it's always want to be careful with. When we compare things to Nazi Germany. But, like, it reminds me a lot of the interviews that we saw in the Nuremberg trials where a lot of these Nazi leaders, there's just such a disconnect, there's such a delta between their own actions and the repercussions of those actions. And then the human bodies that were impacted by the repercussions of those actions, we see it over and over again. These people don't fucking care. And they view themselves as not responsible to the harm that they've caused. And, like, that is the most evil shit that I think we can imagine.
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I completely agree. All right, moving along here we have the former MAGA attorney, and he was a White House attorney, so not like, you know, the White House will have lawyers. Ty Cobb. And he is speaking out against the mental capacity of Donald Trump, our dementia duck president. Play the clip.
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It's not a surprise that we're in this much trouble. It's not a surprise that given the fact that the Cabinet will not invoke the 25th Amendment for a man who's clearly insane. And this war highlights that. And these screeds that come out nightly at 2am or 4am or whatever time Trump decides to vent without. Without oversight, you know, it highlights the level of his insanity and depravity.
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A
You think he's just gone?
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I think he's gone, yeah.
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Charlie, a lot of thoughts here. Again, mustache camp. These people are ridiculous. What bothers me about this clip is not the clip itself. It's that, like, as much as I'd like to hope that these kind of voices matter, this is not the first time that former Trump administration officials or personal staff have come out very publicly to call Trump crazy, to call him a sexual predator, to call him a fascist. If we remember when General Kelly, during the 2024 campaign, his audio came out, or he did an interview actually where he called him a fascist. And the reality is I was on the Kamala Harris campaign at the time, which we've talked about before, was a dis. And we produced a lot of ads trying to lean into that, trying to get people to understand that, like these calls are coming from inside the house. These people who know Trump closely are the ones actually using the most specific intentional language to describe him. And I don't know, I don't know if the reason it doesn't hit is because people don't care. I don't know if it's because our news cycle is so sporadic and quick that it we talk about this and by 2pm today, people will have forgotten. But no, we know this, we know this, that anybody who is inside the Trump orbit and then gets disregarded comes out and says, this person is fucking insane. And the general public, the media, I think, have done a really terrible job of responding and covering it. So I'm actually very glad that we're talking about this right now.
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Yeah. And scholars point out that oftentimes liberals collaborate with fascists. And so that's an important point when you talk about the media not covering this properly because the corporate media represents the same corporations and oligarchs that liberals, Hakeem Jeffries, Chuck Schumer, Cory Booker take money from. So you have liberals that collaborate with fascists to keep the corrupt economic system in place. Furthermore, I would say a lot of this has been incubated with Christian nationalism and a lot of it has been incubated. When you see what happened with the George W. Bush, Bush administration and Obama came in and said, we're going to be forward thinking. We're not going to talk about Abu Ghraib, we're going to talk about CIA black sites. We're going to let all the bankers off the hook. And you start to see the moral collapse not just with Trump, but Democratic and Republican administrations prior to where we don't reconcile war crimes and, or white collar financial crimes. That breakage that trickles down wealth never does, but that sort of moral breakage, it trickles down to the electorate, I think.
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Yeah, thank you. Two things that that reminded me of. One is it's disconnected, disconnected, which is that what you're describing of like how trickle down economics doesn't work, but the kind of like degradation of morals Absolutely. Trickles down. Something that we know, we saw in Georgia back in like 2018, 20, 2018 or 2020, is studies have been done around messaging and campaigning around voter disenfranchisement. And we would think, right, that if you tell people that like Republicans are trying to take their vote away, that that would actually like encourage them to vote. It doesn't. It actually does the opposite. If your messaging is simply these corrupt politicians and fascists are trying to make it harder for you to vote, it actually turns, it drives down voter turnout because people feel like, yes, okay, the system is corrupt. Like, why should I have any faith in the system? So in order to get people to actually show up, you have to provide solutions, you have to provide answers, you have to provide pathways. So that's just like an example of that trickle down moral degradation of how it actually has policy outcomes too. People stop showing up. They stop showing up for their democracy. And then on the media piece, the corporate media piece, something I want to say, it's a great point and I think it's something that people don't think about a lot, especially folks who are kind of like still consuming a lot of traditional media and maybe slowly making their way into YouTube or independent voices, which is great, is we think about even these left leaning or liberal media corporations, cable news networks. And I need folks to understand these are profit driven companies. And so a lot of folks I think have been confused over the years of like, well, why, why are they not going after Trump as hard as they were in 2020? Why are we having more MAGA voices on and not less? And it's because they are making decisions based upon their consumers. They're making decisions about what to cover and how to cover it to ensure that they're still profitable and are not infuriating or alienating certain parts of their viewers. And if they are seeing that some of their viewers are starting to skew, right, or some of their viewers are starting to actually be like, yeah, well, maybe Trump has a point then. They don't want to piss those people off. They don't want to lose those viewers, which will drive down their advertising revenue. So the entire model, frankly, of for profit corporate media reveals itself in a fascist system as not being equipped to deal with fascism. So yes, liberalism, neoliberalism, liberal media absolutely plays a part in the rise of fascism because it is, by definition, ill equipped to deal with it.
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C
Yep.
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B
All right, Charlie, I can't thank you enough for stopping by our I've had it podcast studios in New York and I hope you come by a couple times a month.
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A
I would love to. I'm just going to say this because you. I've been told I'm one of the first people in the studio, and I'm honored to be here. This is very fucking cool.
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B
Yes. Yes, you are. You are. We're going to have New York people, and you are. I mean, we have been testing the listener. The ear things aren't working too well because Kylie bought the wrong ones. What do you have to say for yourself, Kylie? Anything I like.
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It sounds good to me.
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No, it's great. We love Kylie and Charlie. Thank you for coming. I'll have you back in a couple weeks.
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Thank you. Can't wait to be here. Thanks, guys.