C (2:51)

You would?

B (2:53)

Oh, yeah.

A (2:54)

I mean, I, at that point, it doesn't even matter, like, because my policy on this is, Is the same as, like, my refusal to endorse Kamala Harris. The reason why I did not endorse Kamala Harris was because she did things that were not only unproductive but also unconscionable. But, and I still stand on that. I still talk about it all the time because people constantly bring it up. They're like, you didn't sufficiently, like, promote Kamala Harris. You're the reason why she lost. And I'm like, I am incapable. There is no singular force in this country that is capable of making or breaking an election. And if that was real, then it is the most idiotic thing not to listen to my demands. But everybody knows that that's not real, right? If I had this singular force to be able to make Kamala Harris the president, then Kamala Harris should be coming to me every day and being like, let me do a collab with you, please. Right. That's not the case, of course, and they know it. That's why they didn't do it. But the, the campaigns are always responsible for whether or not they are able to win the crowds when.

C (3:59)

Okay, pause that right there, Kylie, and leave it up. So what he's saying here, I think is really true. Number one, when it came to. When it comes to Gavin Newsom, for somebody like Hassan, who has felt very homeless in the American two party system, you have Gavin. I gave him a hypothetical question. Gavin Newsom or J.D. vance? Gavin Newsome, instead of going on Hassan's show, he has had Charlie Kirk on and he has had Ben Shapiro on. Gavin Newsome has, in each case he ceded progressive causes, he ceded trans rights, and he ceded ICE to Ben Shapiro very easily. He's fumbled on Israel big time. And he's a huge corporate donor, receives a lot of PAC money, and he has said that he will not tax billionaires. All of these things are very unpopular with Democrats at large, specifically with this group of people that feel homeless in the America two party system. So from Hasan's perspective here, he's like, I'm going to vote third party. Because he doesn't see any difference in the help for marginalized people. He sees one person that campaigns is slightly liberal, yet takes all of the same money from these corporate PACs. And so online, the liberals have completely wet the bed and they're going after Hassan two and a half years out from a general election and are trying to pigeonhole him in that he's a terrible American and You know, all of this could be his fault, which is insane. If we look at historically what's been happening in American politics, Bernie started beating this drum and his message, in my opinion, and I didn't vote for Bernie. And I have recently said I regret that vote because I have been doing a lot of internal thinking and studying as to what are my politics, because my politics have typically been my whole adult life. I'm liberal and I vote with Democrats. Well, the Democrats keep losing. And so I started digging beneath that surface. Why are Democrats losing? Specifically during Kamala Harris's campaign, when she started trotting around with Liz Cheney, it really struck me, like, why is she trying to get these people to vote for her that will never, ever vote for her? Why isn't she courting the progressive side of the party? And here's what's so critical in the last campaign, it's not that Trump grew his vote, it's that less people that typically vote Democrat turned out. So the Democratic Party, instead of courting the progressive side, they go in court the Ben Shapiro's, the Liz Cheney's, the Charlie Kirks, these elusive right wingers that are never, ever, ever going to peel off and vote for a liberal. Because here's the thing, in middle America, everybody believes Kamala to be super progressive. The Hasan's of the world are like, no, she's a corporate Dem. Gavin Newsom is a corporate den. But in the psyche of the American public, they're like, oh, they're so liberal. Moving to the center is a fool's errand and it's perceived as disingenuous. So, Kylie, pop up or let's finish this clip and then I'll pop up some of the reactions.

A (7:27)

No combat against the couch, not necessarily even against the Republican Party, but usually you're fighting against the couch, people who just don't go out and vote. And for me, the way I see it is if the Democratic establishment makes this decision one more time, just as they did with Hillary Clinton, just as they did with Kamala Harris, and in some ways, just as they did with Joe Biden as well, which led to Trump too, then they just don't care. And there's not much I can do.

C (7:54)

Let me tell you something. I agree with everything you say. But as a person who lived in a red state for 50 years, I would crawl through 10ft of concrete to vote for Gavin Newsom, even though I think he's duplicitous, a hypocrite, a thirst trap, hungry for power. All of the things that you say and harms the Democratic Party and sets the psychological soil to be more prey to fascism. All of that I agree with. But there are so many young, young, queer, black, brown, marginalized people in red states. And even though this corporate Democrat is, you see it in a long term game, in the short term game, a President Newsom over a President J.D. vance. Okay, so that's the clip and that's where they cut it off. That went viral and Hassan was making the point to me. And we're friends and so we're having a political conversation and these conversations should not be shut down. This is the most important conversation as far as far as Democrats winning moving forward. Hasan is saying, look, Democrats are up against the couch. What are you going to do to motivate people to get up off their ass and go vote? Going and playing Patty cake with Ben Shapiro is not going to do it. Playing patty cake with Liz Cheney is not going to do it. Taking APAC money is not going to do it. It's going to make people like Hassan and many, many others that feel homeless in the United States. Political, two party political system stay on the couch. And so I think that's a really Val. Now I have this red state trauma of living in a red State for 50 years and seeing how damaging Republican policies are. And so I will vote for these short term solutions to mitigate so that a woman who has been raped can receive health care, can get an abortion because in Oklahoma right now she can't. And I'm interested in having this conversation with Hasan because what we voted for with Biden is we voted for a sober driver. We had a drunk driver with Trump and we needed a sober driver. And Joe, Joe Biden was our sober driver. And Joe Biden did some good things. There was a lot of policies that he did that were good, but a lot of things he did continued and incubated fascism. And it's a really important conversation. We have to have the Democratic Party taking corporate money, giving blank checks to Israel, compromises them. And then to the voters at large they go, well, there's really no difference in the two. And then you end up voting, you know, your preconceived default settings of politics. And so here's what happens. That's where they cut off the video. And stay with me here. Here's all the liberals just bashing Hassan. This guy. Tim, this is incredible when you think about it. If leftists like Hassan had their way, Republicans would be in charge from 2016 to 2032 at least. How Is he even considered any sort of left? And what I would say to Tim here is what Hasan is saying is we need to build a party that has an FDR style impact that really, really impacts the lives of people instead of this slow moving incremental change that the current Democratic Party always proposes and leaves so many people out of in the pasture and incubates them to go vote for the change candidate. And in both 2016 and 2024, that change candidate was Donald Trump. When Kamala Harris put herself with Liz Cheney, they reeked of the two party system establishment. And again, Donald Trump seemed like the disruptor. Go to the next one. This is the one that really popped up. Usurp the ch. The chef says when asked if he'd vote for Gavin Newsom or JD Vance for Hassan said he'd vote third party. This proves Hassan doesn't care about any of the marginalized groups he pretends to support. All he cares about is taking money from them so he can buy more outfits for Stream. Okay. Usurp the chef. This is intellectually dishonest. Completely from top to bottom. Gavin Newsom has proven that he doesn't care about trans people. Gavin Newsom has proven that he doesn't care about the illegal nature of what ICE is doing when he platformed Ben Shapir. And so to put the burden of this on Hasan, who's saying, I'm not going to settle for a fascist collaborator who always is reaching to platform fascists and to find common ground with them, it's just intellectually dishonest because Hassan has a record of standing up for trans people. And when Gavin Newsom did that with Charlie Kirk, that pain was felt through the trans community far and wide. And Pete Buttigieg did the same. And Rahm Emanuel came on my podcast and did the same. And so to say that Hasan doesn't care about marginalized groups is completely disingenuous. Because what he's saying is I'm not buying the lie that Gavin Newsom does. I'm not buying that anymore. Because each time I do or each time we do, it incubates a more and more fascist culture. Here's the part of the video that they cut out that I think provides incredible context for the remainder of our conversation. Pop this up. Kylie. Who's the aesthetically crawl through 10ft of concrete for all of the marginalized people.

A (13:35)

Do you feel like the Democrats know that and that's why they get away with their inepties? 100 that's why. That's what I Mean, yeah. So I'm like, okay, pause.

C (13:45)

So Hassan clocked me right there and I'll own it because my politics are open minded. They're not fixed. I don't play nanny nanny, boo boo politics that, oh my God, you said you wouldn't vote. You would vote third party, therefore you must be canceled. Number one, Hassan's not a politician. Number two, Hassan gets to think whatever he thinks. Number three, there is a large growing number of Americans in Gen Z and as millennials that have felt completely unseen and left behind by the two party political system, who hate and despise how much they suck up to corporations, who see the moral duplicity in a Hakeem Jeffries, a Gavin Newsom, a Chuck Schumer, a Cory Booker who take money from the MAGA corporate donors and also take it from them. And so when Hasan said that to me, do you think the Democrats know that and take your vote for granted? And I said 100% he's right because they do, because I have this red state trauma. So I end up thinking, okay, I'm going to do a harm reduction vote. The reason why this conversation is so important listener is because we have time right now to have these conversations and to move our politicians to a progressive populist platform. We have the opportunity right now to rid ourselves via primaries of corporate Democrats who lie to us and use our votes and take advantage of our votes and our compassion for marginalized groups and use them to their advantage to then curry favor with corporations and then go make massive stock exchange trades while in Congress. Okay, continue with that clip, even entertain.

A (15:31)

That stuff, especially this far out from an election. But even in the primary season that's immediately the conversation is like, well whoever is the candidate, you're going to vote for them, right? And you know what's really indecent about that too? They never returned the favor for left flank candidates. Cuz no one ever made hay about Bernie Sanders potentially becoming the candidate. And all of the articles that came out about how Trump might be more preferable to Bernie Sanders, cuz they were writing, those liberals were writing those articles talking about how, you know, the head of Goldman Sachs who was like, I'm a lifetime Democratic Party voter, I think you know, Donald Trump is better than Bernie Sanders. I know.

C (16:14)

So I just think this is a super important conversation to have. And if you have people on the left that are shutting this down, they are failing to do a proper autopsy. We know that Ken Martin at the DNC spiked the autopsy as to why we lost. He spiked it. I Suspect that in that autopsy as to why Kamala lost is because the Democrats refuse to to listen to voices like this. And I am willing to go into these conversations with Hasan and get owned. Do you think the Democrats know that you're always going to do that and take advantage of your vote? Yes, I do. I do think that anytime you have a political party or political movement that is shutting down this type of conversation when we lost two elections to a complete dipshit, an incompetent con man and we can't have the conversation with the progressive flank of our party that Bernie Sanders created a movement and it continues to permeate through the Democratic Party. So much so that you see progressives winning right now. Zoran Mamdani and when you look at all of the issues that Zoron won on line item by line item by line item and you take them out of being progressive, conservative, Democrat, Republican, they're all super popular policies. So this Democratic establishment that Hassan is speaking out so much against doesn't want, they don't want people to know that. So I have a really hard time with the liberals online right now trying to shut this conversation down and deny Hassan his opinion or browbeat Hassan from here to Timbuktu because he is pointing out some a conversation that we need to have. And I think the reason Kamala lost because nobody wanted to get off their couch that was super progressive because they feel like both parties are the same because they're not lazy corporate news voters that just take what they takes what MSNBC says and takes what CNS says and then goes out and votes they have dug deeper. These are very high information voters that go now wait a minute. AIPAC spent 200 something million dollars to get Trump elected. It's clear Benjamin Netanyahu wants him elected. Kamala is taking money from the same pack. Really isn't talking about this genocide in the blank check to Israel. I see this as a continuation, as more of the same with it being slightly rebranded. And I just think it's very MAGA esque to shut down a conversation like that with Hasan and me and to take a side on that and to not understand that Hasan and I were having a super important conversation that is in the should be front and center of every Democratic conversation right now as we head into into midterms. How do we build a majority party that services the most people without throwing any groups under the bus and doesn't prioritize servicing corporations? And that's what he's saying. And I'm okay with Us being, at the end of the day, that Hassan might be the person that sits on the couch and I might be the person that goes and votes for the corporate Dem. And I'm still evolving on that and I have to keep an open mind about it. But more than anything, Hasan and I are online personalities. We are not politicians. And we both get to have our opinions about this and we get to succinctly disagree or push each other and evolve. But when I see liberals or people in the Democratic Party trying to completely shut him down and shut down this conversation, it feels very cultistic to me. It feels the opposite of what a progressive movement, a resistance, a resistant movement to fascism should be. And then Kylie put up the tweet and the graph about where the Democrats are right now. Okay? Hassan says liberal Twitter has erupted, demanding party loyalty, hitting lesser evilism and harm reduction lines two years out from the presidential election. But they refuse to reckon with this historic unpopularity for the Dems as Trump is deeply unpopular, unpopular. Hold your electeds accountable, please. So here we have the Democratic Party. The favorability is 33%. Historic, historic lows. And what Hassan is saying is, why do I, as a voter, why did this large voting group, why do we have to concede? Why aren't the politicians conceding that corporations are not in the best interest of the people? And the people in the Democratic Party that are trying to shut this down, all you're doing is giving his platform more power. Because when I see the Democratic establishment behave this way, in a cult like way, to say that we can't have an honest conversation about this, it makes me really lean into what Hasan is saying and dive into it more and more. Because oftentimes progressives are just, they're right. They're just right way too early. And so if you think about where Bernie Sanders was in 2016, he was right. His message has aged far better. I didn't buy it at the time. I thought, oh, Bernie's crazy. He nobody's gonna. He can't win an election. The fact of the matter is he probably would have beaten Trump. And where would we, where would we be now if we would stop listening to corporate Dems and the personalities that prop up this? We have to be a fixed party that preserves this two party system and we cannot push our elected officials to service the American people more. So I just wanted to respond to all of this and say that me as a voter and as an online commentator, I'm going to continue to have these conversations. And the more the Democratic party tells people to shut up, the more I realize how rigged the whole thing is. And then I end up going further and further left. Every Democratic politician should be shutting down corporate money. Every Democratic politician should be going on shows like mine, and especially shows like Hassan's, because that's where the people didn't show up because they are tired of being lied to by Democrats. All right, that's all I have. Like subscribe Comment, Be back later with more news.

B (23:11)

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