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Growing up in the Bible Belt, I always knew that racism was a huge component of white evangelical Christianity. I'm not religious, my parents weren't religious. But every time I had a very religious friend, they were also the most racist friend. N word drops a lot more than people on the coast realize in Bible Belt states. And what always kind of gave me hope was that on a national scene, people were oblivious to this and constantly kind of moving towards a more progressive opportunity society where people that are black and brown were getting more rights. Their suffering and the whitewashing of history that was done was getting exposed. So this is really mortifying to me to see what happens in Bible Belt states becoming mainstream. I'm going to play a video from for you, you guys from maga, Pastor Joel Webin, and it's going to really outrage you. But what should outrage you more is I wasn't shocked at this because people in Oklahoma say this to their kids and to their grandkids.
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Play the clip for a Christian white parent who loves the Lord and loves your children that you need to have the talk. The talk that we're referencing is the talk that takes your children according to their maturity at the proper time, the appropriate time, and says there are certain parts of town that you cannot go and there are certain people that you cannot be around. If there's someone who is black in our church and they've been in our church and we know them and they love the Lord Jesus Christ, great. We're not talking about that person, but we're talking about when you go into a crowd of people, if you go into a crowd of strangers and they're white strangers, there's some danger. If they're black strangers, there is 30 times more danger. Them's the facts. And it is actually a failure of your parental duty. White parents, please hear me. If you teach your children growing up, if you lie to them and say all people and all races of people in our country are the same, okay.
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You grew up in this. You grew up with this being mainstreamed from your evangelical home. So this isn't that shocking to us in Bible Belt America. What's so shocking is I always thought, okay, you know, the Democrats and these blue cities, blue states, blue government's going to protect us from this as we keep doing civil rights work. But to see it get so mainstreamed is really devastating.
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It's terrifying. And I just want to say this. Bigotry and racism against black people is not the only thing that they are bigoted against these Christians. It is patriarchal. They feel the exact same way about women. Women shouldn't have a right to vote. Women should submit to their husband. So it doesn't just stop with the racism. And they have taken that and homophobia. So in these mega churches and this guy just admits it straight up, we're racist.
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People are not equal. But I think what people need to know is the private conversations that led that have been occurring all of this.
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Time, that empowered him to say.
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That empowered him to say this. Because I was not shocked at this. Living in a Bible belt buckle of the Bible belt state, where everybody brags here that we're one of the most religious states, not one county goes blue. You've heard this in your life, your whole life. Right, Right. In evangelical circles, you know, you hear. I'll hear people say, white people, you guys, in all white neighborhoods, that they're going to move out because a black family moved white flight. Yep. And people having conversations with their children and grandchildren. Do not date somebody outside of your race. Yeah. I mean, this is just.
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This is it.
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Yeah. And I think that the people that flirt with MAGA are. They get onto this toxic masculinity and Trump's gonna make us all this money and he's crazy. Oh, my God. Trump's wild and crazy guy behind it is this. These are. This is the engine that incubated him. This is the engine that supports him. And let's just talk. Here's another one. Here's Nick Fuentes streamlining mainstreaming racism. I'm telling you guys, in the heart of America, in the heartland, this shit hits hard. They lap this shit up.
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New generation of white person. I'm not living around blacks. Sorry. You know, I want white kids and I don't want my white kids bringing home black people to marry. It's racial for me. And call me racist. Oh, very Christian to you. I don't give a fuck.
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Here's the thing, too. I just read an article yesterday that Nick Fuentes is gaining in popularity. And where he used to be kind of the right wing outer sphere, he is now coming to the inside. And this is why. Because of the racism, like you said, it hits hard. Fox News doesn't go quite this bold, but it's racially coded. All day long, every day, people want to hear that they're better than them because that's what they believe in their religious beliefs. So they like hearing it from other people.
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This is not fringe in Bible Belt states, you guys. It is. It is not fringe. And I know as scary as that is for you, all to hear that and painful for black and brown people to hear that. I, I just want you to know that I've seen it. I have seen it. And I have experienced in white circles, white people saying versions of this or hearing, you know, stories like this. This is what, when they say make America great again, as pumps just said, it's, it's for sure their number one target is always black people. It always is. This rise in racism should be the top story, but because all of our politicians are so beholden to Israel, it's always the rise in antisemitism. So then the Republican Party can say to the black electorate, the Democrats have abandoned you. They use you. And I'm going to say, unless the Democrats really start addressing this rise in racism, that's going to be a pretty good argument for Republicans to make because this is so abhorrent, this is so horrific. And this white evangelical engine behind Donald Trump, their number one before women, before gays, before anybody, is black people. It always has been and it always will be. And I can tell you that because I've lived around it. I, I have heard it, I have seen it and it still goes on to this day. And so many white people are too cowardice to stand up and fight for their black brothers and sisters. And it just is absolutely sickening. Moving along, here's Caroline Levitt exploiting the murder of an Ukrainian refugee for the racists. And the, this Ukrainian refugee, her name is Irina Zaruski Zaruska and Maga likes to cherry pick when they care about murder victims. And I want to tell you right here, right now, what happened to this little girl is horrible. It is awful. I don't know the history of this guy, but I understand it was violent. I don't think, I don't know all of the case, but I don't think he should be out on the streets. This is so tragic. But of course they're exploiting it because she's an attractive white girl. They don't give a shit about Ukraine. They're too busy getting dog walked by Vladimir Putin, they're decreasing the funding that will help Ukrainians. They don't ever talk about all the Ukrainian kids that are kidnapped by Vladimir Putin. But because this is a black guy that did it and she's an attractive white girl, they're trotting this out. Play the clip again.
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In January of this past year, a Democrat judge who will, I will add, was a supporter, a strong supporter of former Vice President Kamala Harris, released this insane criminal once again without requiring him to pay any bail. He simply had to sign a written promise to return for his court hearing. Think about how crazy it is to ask a career criminal, someone who by definition repeatedly breaks the law, to just sign a written promise and come back again another day. This is madness. This monster should have been locked up and arena should still be alive. But Democrat politicians, liberal judges and weak prosecutors would rather virtue signal than lock up criminals and protect their communities.
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Okay, this is everything that she says about Democrats wanting crime and liberal justice, all of that is just utter bullshit. If we were a real country and we had a desire to move past being beholden to everything, we have a private prison company. It's incarceration for profit. The United States incarcerates more people than any of the other countries. It's way up there because it's for profit. There are things that the left and right could come together with on this. Our criminal justice system is broken. Somebody that we love very much, that worked for us was shot last October. And the kid that shot him, what, had a violent history. And I said he should have never been back out on the streets again. And I believe that. And this is an issue that two real political parties that care about the advancement of society could sit down and talk about. Are we funding health care? Are we. We need to get these for profit. Profit prison system over with. This cannot happen. But instead, everything is all for money. And then she uses this. And how I know she's using this because in our state of Tulsa, just last month a white guy stabbed a woman on a bus. But she's not talking about that crime. She doesn't give a shit about that crime because that doesn't fit her narrative. But I want to leave you with what Trump is doing, what he genuinely is doing, and everybody is okay with it because they get to be racist. They're fine with being poor as long as they get to be racist. Put this up. The Trump administration cuts supplemental Security income benefits for 400,000 seniors and children with disabilities. But guess what? You get to still be racist. In fact, it's now going to be mainstreamed. So your version of your cultish white nationalist KKK Christianity. When you take away money from hard working Americans that paid into that system, you're removing their supplemental income and children with disabilities. And then I guess the Moses, Mike's and the Donald Trumps and all the racists that have all these conversations with their kids about staying away from black people and not dating black people. This is what your religion is. This is it. Hate. Hate on people that have it different skin color than you and take away survival funds that help people survive and eat. It's so up, it is so beyond the pale that this is mainstreamed. This has been incubated in white Christian churches all over America. Mega churches have streamlined it even more and this is coming for you. We are in the Bible belt right now and I'm telling you guys, you'll never meet a more cruel person than a white evangelical church attending Christian from the Bible belt. They lap this up. They like it. They agree with every single bit of this. FOX has an audience for a reason, you guys. They are the biggest cable news shows for a reason because this hits hard with these white evangelical Christians. All right. That's all we have. This is our book. It's a great way to support us so that we can keep doing this podcast every day. It's called Life is a Lazy Susan of Shit Sandwiches. The link is below in the show notes. Sam.
Hosts: Jennifer Welch & Angie “Pumps” Sullivan
Date: September 14, 2025
In this episode, Jennifer Welch and Angie “Pumps” Sullivan, progressive voices from deep in the red state Bible Belt, dissect the mainstreaming of explicit racism among MAGA-aligned Christian communities. They blend searing social commentary with humor and personal anecdotes to highlight how racist, patriarchal, and xenophobic ideologies long confined to private circles and fringe actors are now finding open expression and even political power. Drawing attention to disturbing public statements by evangelical pastors and far-right influencers, they expose the engine behind Trumpism and caution listeners about the dangers of complacency.
The hosts maintain a mix of raw outrage, biting sarcasm, and frankness, reflecting both the gravity of the topic and their dark comic sensibility. They utilize explicit language and personal anecdotes to underscore the persistence and mainstreaming of hateful ideology.
This episode provides a sobering look at the racism, patriarchy, and bigotry embedded within segments of white evangelical Christianity, now amplified and validated by MAGA politics. Through frank discussion and media examples, Jennifer Welch and Angie Sullivan illuminate how these toxic ideas are no longer underground but celebrated in public—and warn that unless directly confronted, they will continue to shape the American mainstream and political future.