Krystal Ball (4:04)

So I wasn't just referring to politicians who don't believe in anything. I was talking about all of maga. Oh, so I agree with you that the politicians believe they need to get reelected again, but Kevin sits a lame duck. How does that speak for all of the 77 million you just mentioned? I'm talking about them. They don't believe in anything. They're willing to flip something, a deeply held belief on a dime. The politicians are merely a representation of the electorate at large. The political numbers of politicians are so small. I'm far more concerned about the cancer brew in American culture where these people genuinely don't believe in anything. And here's something to illustrate my point. Put this up, Kylie. So you have Gunter Eagleman, not a politician, big MAGA influencer online. And he writes, this is my neighborhood. A liberal man with a rifle stands outside a home in St. Paul to protect his neighbors from ice. And then he writes, lock him up. Of course there's a tweet for everything. And we have Gunter Eagleman in 2024. It's called the Second Amendment Diploma. So this is just. There is a massive problem with these people. And I, in my opinion, living in a Bible Belt state around evangelical Christians. The moral duplicity in which they live is staggering. It always kind of took my breath away that on the one hand they would, you know, wear their crosses, you know, diamond encrusted crucifixes and talk about going to Bible study and talk about Jesus and their own personal relationship with Jesus and how, you know, fastidiously they were working on that, well, at the same time, if you mentioned, you know, somebody struggling with health care or a case of racism or an instance of homophobia or an instance of suffering, absolutely don't care. There's just, there's absolutely no interest in it whatsoever. And so when your religion teaches you not to really care about anything, and I'm not talking about all Christians, I'm talking about these white Christian nationalists, these mega church attendees, then it's like, yeah, the situation is they want guns. They don't want liberals to have guns. It's okay if they have a gay kid, but they don't want any liberal having a gay kid. They'll abuse their gay kid and put, you know, not speak to them for months on end on their own terms. But it's different when a liberal has one. And so there is a cancer that is permeated in American culture. And it is these people that are really souped up on politicizing religion and nationalism. And then like, you break it down and they support covering up for pedophiles and, or pedophiles. I mean, In Alabama in 2016, 2017, Trump endorsed a Senate candidate who was a pedophile. And the Democrat just barely beat him. I mean, like, the Republicans will go out and vote for a pedophile because they don't care, because they don't believe in anything. From the inception of their life, they've been so religiously and spiritually abused and lied to that that sets up the psychological soil for them to fall right into this nihilism and hyper helicopter codependent activity where everybody's so interested in what everybody else is doing while at the same time claiming, oh, we embrace a free country. We're all about freedom. And it's like, no, you're not. You don't, you don't, you stand for nothing. There's zero conviction, which is my biggest pet peeve, when people don't walk the walk, talk the talk, and have convictions. And the Republican Party, the MAGA party, has none of that. Zero.

P.J. Moran (8:10)

Well, I would, I would agree with you wholeheartedly on the Christian narcissism that they can demean people. But I think there's another crisis. And I say this from personal experience, growing up in an indoctrinated evangelical circle. This is a huge lack of critical thinking, not being taught critical thinking. And I went to college, I went to law school. But your ability to dismiss and have cognitive dissonance about things and being unable to apply critical thinking to things that you don't like, for me, I see that as part of the crisis too. They just are not putting A and B together because they've never been taught how to do it and I had to learn it later in life.

Krystal Ball (8:56)

I will add that, that in the instance of you, before you deconstructed your faith, you were a critical thinker. You were just, you suspended critical thinking when it came to certain subjects. So you were able to critically think about so many things. We were analyzing your husband or my husband or you know, our friend that was, you know, acting all crazy or whatever. There's a lot of critical thinking there. It's the suspension, willful suspension of critical thinking on certain points that I think we have to zero in on. It's, it's. They willfully suspend critical thinking because critically thinking about something which they've gone all chips in on is too painful for them to realize they're wrong about it. There's too much pain associated with that form of critical thinking. All human beings are able to critically think. MAGA willfully suspends critical thinking, especially these triple trumpers right now. And we're going to have to realize after they've triple trumped and they've seen the depravity grabbing by the Trump saying on Howard Stern that his cutoff age for sexual intercourse with a female would be the age 12. They voted for him three times. He tried to overthrow the federal government and have his vice president hung and these people voted for him three times. So in analyzing what's happening right now as we watch the news every single day, the horror. It is willful, willful suspension of critical thinking. These people are not off the hook. They are able to critically think. They choose to willfully not critically think because it would be too painful. And they don't have enough emotional depth to absorb and be self deprecating to say, God, I made a mistake here. They don't have those layers in them. And then this is like the person while Donald Trump is doing all of this and all of these evangelicals are worshiping Donald Trump. They, Stephen Miller, who pumps and I just, and I know y' all share with us the hatred for this guy. He's so gross. His wife's disgusting. I mean just a disgusting, disgusting couple. That, that, that is so recreationally cruel. Like their hobby. Like my husband and I like to go on walks and like play fetch and, and just do really boring as we like to shopping. Katie and Stephen Miller, you guys, for their like activities. They like recreational cruelty. I mean this, these people are so gross. Stephen Miller always sounds like the Biggest blow hard. You know, I think he's about to, you know, five foot tall. No disrespect to short men, but he puts this up. Kylie, pop this up. The White House Deputy Chief of Staff Stephen Miller claims that local and state police in Minneapolis have been ordered to, quote, stand down and surrender to the feds. Okay, surrender? Like, what is he talking about? This is the. We support the police. The, the blue line. These are the people that go bananas. And it's all. The through line is these people believe in nothing. A year ago, 13 months ago, they were all for the police and not for a strong federal police state. And just 13 months later, it's a 180 puss out titty baby convention. It's unbelievable how sickening these people are.

P.J. Moran (12:32)

I mean, Stephen Miller's a straight up Nazi, full stop. I mean, everything he says is Nazi Nazi esque. And I just, you know, he's on last week saying, you know, ICE agents have absolute immunity. That's a fucking lie. That is a lie. The surrendering, you know, police need to. That is a lie. He's a Nazi. Like, I don't know what else to say about him. He is a craven, cruel, vile person. That is hates and cruelty is just where his heart beats and he is a Nazi.

Krystal Ball (13:05)

It.

P.J. Moran (13:06)

That's just what it is.

Krystal Ball (13:08)

I agree. Pumps completely agree. Sometimes putting things simpler is better. And that's just the truth about this, man. Moving along, we have this whole thing about Minnesota. It's not about immigration, you guys. It's not about nothing to do with immigration. And for the hate watchers that now we know we have this right wing people that watch us so they can clip us up to feed their hive mind information about the liberal white women who that. I guess they think it hurts our feelings if you call us trans people, which I think would be a compliment, because what trans people have to go through more courage. Yeah, a lot, lot more courage than Elon Musk. But anyway, pop this up. Red state Texas has 2.1 million UNDOC. Undocumented immigrants. Red state Florida has 1.6 million. Blue state Minnesota has only 130,000 immigrants. That's from Brad on Twitter. And I think this is a really important thing. As they tell you. This is about immigration. It's not. This is about Stephen Miller trying out the police state. Because they are two things can really f these people. Two scenarios are going to be like doomsday for Stephen Miller. Number one, Trump dies, no pardons issued. They're fucked, right? Fucked. Elon's fucked. Stephen Miller's fucked Marco Rubio's all of them. Okay? The second scenario is that the turnout is too big to rig. It's so massive. It's a massive, massive blue tsunami. And so all of this stuff with Minnesota, in my opinion, is to try out this police state to get people scared. And at the end of the day, don't be scared of these people. Like, Stephen Miller is so scared, he moved to a military base. Elon Musk is online, chronically hysterical. The man is hysterical. He's hysterically online talking about how oppressed and scared he is. He is the biggest titty baby on the planet. Do not let these people scare you. Because it is so important that we fight for the America that we believe in, that we still feel, that we still experience when we're out in it, where we see immigrants and we see people of color and we hear people that might speak a different language, and where we embrace multiculturalism, that place is still here. They're trying to suffocate it out, but these people never win. They might win the short term battles, but they're not going to win the overall culture war of this. There's no way.

P.J. Moran (15:58)

History is never kind to book banners and Gestapo. But you know, something that I've been reading about, and this might be my own, like, alarmist, because I'm just alarmed all the time, but Trump is building this bunker underneath this east wing. And I have this in my head that he, if he is impeached, let's say the Dems went. If he is impeached, he's going to sit in that bunker and nobody's going to be able to get him out. He's going to just. He will not come out.

Krystal Ball (16:30)

Good. Just lock him in. We can't worry about that.

P.J. Moran (16:33)

Right. Okay.

Krystal Ball (16:34)

And then what goes in a bunker? Just lock him in there. Let all. Let all.

P.J. Moran (16:39)

You know, because he probably can't pardon Stephen Miller from the bunker either. And here's my other thought, that this gives me hope. This is how bad it's gotten, that this is what gives me hope. Trump can issue all the pardons he wants to. That is for federal crimes and federal crimes only. My guess is that you can make a state criminal charge against Kristi Noem, this, Greg Bevino, Stephen Miller, like, I, I'm hopeful that Trump's pardon cannot protect these people from state accountability. Maybe that's a fantasy.

Krystal Ball (17:15)

Okay, moving along. This is what's really important. This is not about immigration for Donald Trump and the oligarchs surrounding him. And remember, These guys have everything. And it's still not enough. You guys, it's not enough. Pop this up. Just 34 people, 34 control 12% of the income in the United States. And people still think immigrants are the problem. You guys, 34 people control 12%. It's insane. The Republican Party, with an assist from Democratic presidencies in between, have lied to you. They have lied to you. Wealth is never going to trickle down, ever. These oligarchs, where you are their customer base, you are the reason that they are billionaires. Your money and or your taxpayer money that has subsidized them to the tunes of hundreds of billions of dollars contracts, in the case of Elon Musk. And they're still mad at you. They still think you shouldn't have health care. They still think it shouldn't be easy for you to vote. They don't understand what it's like to go take your kids to school in the morning, then make it to work, then a kid's sick, then you got to go get the kid, take the kid to a relative's house if you have any that are living, or to a neighbor to watch the kids so you can go back to work and then you've got to go pick up your kids, then you've go stand in a line and try to vote. Elon Musk wants to make it harder for you to be able to do that because he doesn't understand that experience. He doesn't understand that the majority of people that aren't those 34 people have been poor, have been working class, have really, really had a struggle, and are just looking for moments of kindness, of serenity, or looking for somebody in this country to stand up. Maybe a billionaire says, you know what? I've got enough. I've got enough. But what will never fix me is watching my fellow Americans suffer. Have you seen one of them do that? No, they don't do it. Nobody has conviction. You, you see a few Democratic politicians, but majority of them, Cory Booker, Hakeem Jeffries, Chuck Schumer. Are they a resistance? No, they're playing patty cake with these guys because they all have the same corporate donors. And so that's what the whole thing is about. That's what it's all about. And so as we move towards these midterms, it's really important that you don't have to have somebody agree with you about everything, about every single thing. But what is important is that we agree that billionaires need to pay their fair share in taxes. Gavin Newsom, the 2028 front runner has said he doesn't think that they should. It's really important that we say our taxpayer money shouldn't pay to kill hundreds of thousands of innocent children in Gaza while the children here have cancer and their parents are going bankrupt. Just a very simple thing to say. It doesn't matter. You don't have to go back three decades to explain it. You only have to stay in the now present tense. And so if the politicians aren't going to do this and they're not going to deliver simple messages, we have to do it. And we have to get candidates that primary these people. And Zoran Mamdani has just shown that it can be done. And the one thing that Donald Trump has shown us, the one thing Donald Trump has shown Democrats is that you don't have to govern incrementally. That was also a lie. We've been lied to by corporate Democrats. The told us we can't rock the boat, we have to govern incrementally. No, that was all bullshit. And so with the same velocity that they've dismantled the country, we have to, when we get it back, rapid speed, lightning speed, velocity restore. But restore it mainly in an FDR style way. Restore it for decades with embracing unions, embracing the worker, embracing the guy who isn't chronically online acting like he's so oppressed, like Elon Musk is. Maybe embrace the good old guy that works 10 hours a day, comes home, cracks his beer, you know, slaps his wife on the ass, maybe gets a nut, is not off later if he's lucky. It's a good dad, a good guy and does it all. Underpaid, overworked because he wants his, wants his kids to have health insurance. Maybe we should fight for that guy instead of these 34 billionaires that have. Not one of them, not one of them has stood up and said, I'm going to stand up for my customer base and for my country against this clown that wears a full face of makeup every day while all of his acolytes lecture everybody about masculinity. All right, that's all we have for today's episode. Please, like subscribe and comment. And we will be back later with more news.