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Foreign. The failed drag queen Lil Smokey and their little Christian sycophant, Pam Bondi and Stephen Miller are going around now trying to make it illegal to have liberal thoughts. They are going on about hate speech. They're talking about all these imaginary things, about all of this imaginary celebrating on the left of Charlie Kirk's death. I've seen none of that. This is what they do. They make up an imaginary problem, and then their solution to fix it involves eroding democracy and eroding civil rights. And this is as serious as it gets. Are there people on the left, random people that live in a country of 340 million, saying, I don't really care that he got shot? Probably. And the same thing happened on the right with actual elected politicians when the Democratic Minnesota lawmakers were shot and they shot their dog, too. Senator Mike Lee was making light of it. Don Jr. Whom I refer to as dumb because of course, Eric, his little brother, is dumber. So dumb makes jokes about when Nancy Pelosi's husband got beat up. This doesn't happen on the left. They are making this up. And Pam Bondi has been on a little media blitz talking about wanting to charge people with hate speech. And I'm going to tell you what, the right wingers, the podcasters who make a lot of money off the First Amendment, aren't having it. Bizarrely, let me kick it to Megan.
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Kelly, back down on hate speech. What the. That's not. That is not a question that a conservative would ask. I don't understand what's happening there. And then for Pam Bondi to not say, whoa, whoa, sister, we on the right do not crack down on hate speech. We don't believe in that nonsense. There's this pesky document called the Constitution that doesn't allow it, but we don't even agree with it in principle was kind of extraordinary. And I actually tweeted out this morning, there's no way Pam Bom does not know that hate speech is protected under our Constitution. She must have meant, like, because given what Stephen Miller said to J.D. vance when he was subbing on Charlie's show yesterday, Stephen Miller was talking about how we've got to crack down on these groups around people like the assassin who encourage it or know about it or who, like, are part of it, but don't actually pull the trigger. My supposition on Twitter was X. Maybe she's talking about conspirators, you know, people who are part of it.
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Let me say something. What Stephen Miller was talking about cracking down on the People surrounding Tyler Robinson. Independent journalist Ken Kleppenstein did a whole report. He talked to all of the friends of the alleged shooter, and they are shocked and grieving and. And didn't even see this shooter as a person, as being political. But Megan Kelly and some of these other far right podcasters, again, we're going to find ourselves with strange bedfellows because this is an opportunity. This is a moment where people with differing views of what we want government to do for us can come together to defend the basic premise of this country, which is civil liberties, the First Amendment. And when you, when you start seeing those of us on the left that are starting to see the people on the right realizing, oh, shit, if they get away with. If they do away with hate speech, my whole income is gone. I mean, for, for Steve Bannon, for Megyn Kelly, etc.
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Well, the Supreme Court has made it very clear in holdings, you have to be imminently threatening violence with your speech or inciting violence with your speech. My fear is that Donald Trump and Ste. Stephen Miller and Pam Body and this DOJ are going to start with the resting liberals and test the Supreme Court on this theory. Is this still the law? And I don't have a lot of confidence that if you and I were arrested for free speech that Megyn Kelly would be sounding the alarm in our defense because it applies what they are saying. Laura Loomer, Nick Fuentes. Their speech is so hateful, I think they'd be outraged about that because it hits too close to home. But I don't have a lot of confidence on the right coming to the aid of Democrats that are talking and not committing hate speech, but just dissent to this administration.
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All right, let's see what Tucker Carlson has to say about this.
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You hope that Charlie Kirk's death won't be used by a group we now call bad actors to create a society that was the opposite of the one he worked to build. You hope that. You hope that a year from now, the turmoil we're seeing in the aftermath of his murder won't be leveraged to bring hate speech laws to this country. And trust me, if it is, if that does happen, there is never a more justified moment for civil disobedience than that, ever. And there never will be. Because if they can tell you what to say, they're telling you what to think. There is nothing they can't do to you because they don't consider you human.
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They don't.
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Okay, so this is this really weird thing where right now he was on Tucker A couple days ago, Lil Smokey had did Charlie Kirk's podcast and from the Vice President's conference room and Tucker Carlson was a guest within that podcast. You had Stephen Miller, J.D. vance basically covertly and overtly talking about going after these left wing groups. And you have Megyn Kelly and then Tucker Carlson saying, we can't be the thought police. I'm paraphrasing, but that's basically what they're saying. When J.D. vance, Stephen Miller, Pam Bondi and Kanks all want to be the thought police. You have people on the right wing Twitter that are losing their minds, driving around taking pictures of Wendy's, the restaurant, because maybe their flag isn't at half staff. It's crazy. People are getting fired for directly quoting Charlie Kirk. But it's so bad, it's so bad with the doj who is run by Pam Bondi. But all sources inside the White House have told credible journalists that Pam Bondi is a puppet. The DOJ is truly run by a complete psychopath named Stephen Miller. And Pam Bondi is doing the dirty work of Stephen Miller because Steve Miller, I bet if we were to poll, I bet it's a single digit approval rating. He looks like a vampire. He's not likable. No, Riz, complete, complete psychopath. And so he has to put out the pretty white Christian girl with her little cross. And so she treads into Twitter and she gets Community noted on Elon Musk's website. She says hate speech that crosses the line into threats of violence is not protected by the First Amendment. It's a crime. For far too long, we've watched the radical left normalize threats, call for assassinations, and cheer on political violence. That era is over. Community noted. The U.S. constitutional Constitution protects most violent speech. The U.S. supreme Court ruled it legal to justify or celebrate violence or advocate or teach the duty, necessity or propriety of it, but not incitement to imminent violence. And so what I want to say right now is it's unbelievable to me that the biggest shit talker and the biggest insider of violence is Kinks, right? Look at what happened on January 6th and see these people that are just so obsequious and blindly loyal to Kanks that they are bending themselves into pretzels on cnn, on msnbc, on Fox, saying, oh the, they're calling us fascists, they're calling us Nazis, they're calling us authoritarians. You're God damn right we are. And we will continue to do it. But also, do you, do you not feel the cognitive dissonance in real time. That Kanks is still to this day. Good morning to everybody except the radical leftist scum and Governor Newscom. I mean, he's talked about people with the second Amendment, the second Amendment folks going after Hillary Clinton. He's talked about alluded to Liz Cheney should be put in front of a firing squad. He riled up and Washington, D.C. the crowd that then went in and attacked the Capitol. And they think that they are credible messengers about this. It's jaw dropping. It absolutely blows my mind. And I'm glad that Pam Bondi got community noted, but she also got noted and called out by Supreme Court Justice Sonia Sotomayor, who said the law school that educated Pam Bondi did a bad job. And I completely agree. We need to keep calling out the number one way to fight these fascists and these authoritarians and these crazy people is never obey in advance. Continue, continue calling it like you see it. People that have studied authoritarianism, people that have studied dictatorships, people that have studied Nazi Germany have every right in this country to point out the parallels, period. They do not get to tell us what to say. So do not obey in advance. And I think that Tucker Carlson and Megyn Kelly and others know if they come after you and me or they come after the Midas touch or they go after other people, they're going after them at some point, too. Nobody. They don't tow the party line either. Tucker calls out Israel, I think. And that's a whole weird, weird world that you get into where he's completely placed patty cake with Vladimir Putin all the time. And I'm not here to argue the merits of any of that. But, but I'm here to say that I do think this is a time where it is so dire and they are using this as a Reichstag fire and their intention is to erode civil liberties.
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I completely agree. And the one thing that I keep going back to stop the steel and the big lie from Donald Trump, he.
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Said it all on Fox News, he.
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Said it on social media, but he couldn't prove it in court. And Pam Bondi is saying we're going to go after hate speech. And what the Democrats say, there is no proof of that because it simply is not happening. Unfortunately, that's so far down the road. And in the interim, free speech is pounded and pounded down further. But I look at this, I mean, I just see a lot of parallels with that because they're what they're saying on Fox News about the left is going so crazy and against the char, you know, Rah Rawing the assassination of Charlie Kirk. That is a lie. It can't be proved because there are no facts and evidence that basically that make that true. But they can say it on Fox News, they can say it on social media.
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Yeah. As Todd Blanche, the deputy Attorney general Just said, right now they don't have any evidence of an organization. Obviously they're still looking into this. But. But on the bullet casings, I don't remember there being a transgender one on there. I remember him saying there was one that said, if you could read this, you're gay. It was referencing Internet memes. But on what you just said there about investigating, there is.
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Hold on a second, Caitlin.
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There is a transgender woman.
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Hold on, Caitlin. Caitlyn. There is a transgender. There's a reference to do you see my bulge? Which is, I'm told, is an online meme for transgenderism. And Director Patel testified that the murderer here was living with his romantic partner who was a transgender man transitioning to being a woman.
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Okay, there he is, the gender ideology academic senator, dipshit, most hated, most unfuckable piece of shit in this country, Ted Cruz. The fact of the matter is I had to call my 22 year old son and I said, I actually texted him and I said, dylan, what does see my bulge O w o mean? My phone immediately rings and he is dying, laughing, like crying over hysterically laughing. And he's like, mom, I just cannot believe you just texted me that because it's like this whole gamer, mean world thing. And I go, what does it mean? Is it like a trans thing? And he goes, no, it's more like it started off with like a furry type thing. And he tried to explain it to me, but so much of these memes are so nuanced, right? For Gen Z. But Ted Cruz kitten on there saying that, you know, trying to pin it on trans people. I just want to say one thing. In my conversation with my son, he said something to me and I, I found this really heartwarming and sad at the same time. He goes, God, all of this stuff makes me so sad. And I said, what aspect of it? And he said, aiden, and this is my son's trans friend is really terrified right now. She is really, really terrified. And everybody's going after trans. And it was bad enough before, right? And now it's getting a million times worse. And it makes me so sad how these people find the most marginalized group of people that are literally just looking to exist and stay out of the public eye because of rabid people like unfuckable Ted that wants to just browbeat these people. And I just want to take a moment to all of the trans Americans out there and say that we are your ally and I am so sorry for how the right wing consistently and constantly picks on you. I Am sorry that some people in the left see you as a political liability and they are willing to pick you up and throw you under the bus and drive over you. But we will not do that here. None of us are free until all of us are free. And this anti trans is connected to every other thing that they want to erode civil rights from. You cannot leave anybody behind. A person existing doesn't affect your life at all. Quit being dicks. For God's sake. Quit it. It is unbelievable how cruel the right is if somebody isn't exactly the way they want them to be. Think exactly the way they want them to think. And I just want to note, all of the research has come out from the Google search histories and all of the people that are googling trans porn, surprise, surprise, live in red states with the number one city being the hotbed of, I guess, trans activity, Lawton, Oklahoma. All right, so we can probably have Kylie pull it up at some, some point, but if I'm a guessing gal, I would say that Lawton probably Trump won by 40 points. Just throwing that out there. All right, so quit being mean to trans people. Fight for our First Amendment and we have got to keep exposing the people who are trying to erode our civil rights. And if that means that I have something in common with Megyn Kelly and Tucker Carl Carlson, as much as that pains me, they are Americans and I do believe that we are going to have to unite with some people we disagree with to save this country. That's all we have for this episode. Please subscribe. I was looking on the back end of the data and it said that half of our viewers that watch our shows are not subscribed. Go click the subscribe button. Because we're old ladies and we like to see those numbers click up. It makes us feel like we're doing something good. We'll see you all later.
Title: MAGA Turns on Trump After His Attack on Free Speech Backfires
Podcast: IHIP News with Jennifer Welch & Angie “Pumps” Sullivan
Date: September 17, 2025
In this episode, Jennifer Welch and Angie “Pumps” Sullivan tackle the rapidly escalating debate over free speech on the American right, following recent attempts by Trump, Pam Bondi, and Stephen Miller to curtail hate speech in the wake of Charlie Kirk’s death. The hosts examine how these moves are causing rifts within conservative circles—especially among right-wing media personalities whose livelihoods depend on First Amendment protections. The episode mixes pointed critique, sharp humor, and empathy, especially concerning the targeting of trans people and broader civil liberties.
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This episode illustrates the chaotic state of civil liberties in post-Kirk, post-Trump America, highlighting the unexpected fractures within the conservative movement as attempts to muzzle free speech backfire. The hosts use this moment to argue for cross-ideological solidarity to defend the First Amendment, all while foregrounding the ongoing dangers faced by marginalized groups, especially the trans community. The episode is marked by both comic relief and heartfelt calls for vigilance, resistance, and empathy.