Moses Mike (Mike Johnson) (4:58)

The Rob Reiner tragedy. And I heard the shocking news, as many did this morning. I was in meetings, fundraising meetings this morning, walked out and heard that the shocking news that apparently their son committed the murders is not only an unspeakable family tragedy, it's another reminder of just the senseless violence and evil that is so rampant in our society. So our prayers go out to the Reiner family, the survivors, and everybody who's affected by this. At times like this, my thoughts go to Scripture. Psalm 34 is a good one. It says, the Lord is close to the brokenhearted and he saves those who are crushed in spirit.

Host 2 (5:38)

Okay, all right, here's where I just want to say that we have a person who's suffering from religious psychosis. This man claims that God talks to him, wakes him up in the middle of night, tells him he's Moses, and there he just goes into this default tick of quoting scripture. This is religious addiction and religious psychosis that this man is suffering from. And he is right in line for the presidency. He's second in line right after the Vice President. It's him.

Pumps (6:07)

You know, in talking about after Trump and the collapse of evangelical Christians, my guess, although that's a lovely thought, my guess is rewrite history. Well, the devil overtook him. He fought it for a long time. It was the people around him completely dismissing either their support of Trump or that it was Satan that finally got to him. I don't see any real change in this because it is indoctrination and it is hard to deconstruct that type of indoctrination, as I know from personal experience. So I don't expect a lot of growth in the mega churches. I just don't.

Host 2 (6:48)

No, I don't think they'll grow within the church. I'm talking about. I don't see them growing in numbers is what I was talking about, like continuing like Life Church in Oklahoma City, which is one of the cultiest cult cult there is. And it has, I think over 20 plus churches. And it continues to keep expanding and expanding and expanding. And when you don't have a message of compassion and you have a message of purity culture and looking the other way at immigrants and human suff, I'm wondering if it affects pet. Exactly pumps. I wonder if it affects growth. I'm not talking about emotional growth, I'm talking about numbers. And Christianity booming within the church is what I'm wondering if it will impact because it's already on the decline. But this exposure of evangelical Christianity, of how hypocritical it is and the people that aren't used to this kind of hand praising pyrotechnic style church, seeing it like Charlie Kirk's funeral and seeing just how superficial and what it is, I'm wondering if that recedes. The actual quantity of growth is what I was referring to. Yeah, okay. And then recruiting new members, because that's their number one goal, is recruitering. So maybe I wasn't clear on that. Maybe it will stunt recruitment. Moving along, here's this Senate Majority Leader and here's what he had to say. He says, I don't have much more to say about it other than it's a tragedy and my sympathies and prayers go out to the Reiner family and to their friends. He said when asked if Donald Trump's post was appropriate. So even the Senate Majority Leader cannot speak out against this. This is such a collapse of the entire Republican Party. It's such an exposure of American family values. The Reiners were a family they were a family that had a child that was suffering from mental problems and addiction and the most horrific, horrible thing imaginable. They're surviving children to this the horror that people are going through, the pain that they are in right now. And the speaker of the House and the Senate Majority Leader cannot speak with moral clarity that the President went too far, that we need to probably have a mental and psychological check on his well being, because the post was that unhinged, that there's no compassion, there's no empathy anywhere in Republican leadership anywhere. This is a complete indictment on the whole structure and the whole that they have been preaching for decades on the moral high ground that they are the party of moral values, they are the party of family values. Time and time again, they prove that they are not. They are the party of getting power and oppressing people. And Trump is somebody who's just so morally depraved that his moral depravity is so much more pronounced. They can kind of hide behind it. But it's our job. Trump is going to be Trump. It's our job to continue to call out the sycophants surrounding him to go along with this. The voters, the triple Trumpers. You had an idea before you went and triple trumped of exactly what this guy was. I was surprised zero when I saw the post that he did yesterday. It did not surprise me in the least, but it was as predictable as this day is long. Rob Reiner, critical of Trump, was making documentaries about his involvement with Russia, this type of thing. Trump has always wanted to be accepted by the cool kids. He also has always wanted to be in Hollywood. Insider Rob Reiner is, you know, beloved and adored in Hollywood. So it was, it was a foregone conclusion that Trump was going to do this. What continues to surprise me is that Republican leadership, when Marjorie Taylor Greene is outflanking you morally, it tells you just how diabolical and unqualified Senate Majority Leader th and little Moses Mike Grinder Johnson are.

Pumps (11:03)

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Host 2 (12:21)

And pumps. I really want to get your take on this last one. This is Greg Gutfeld talking about it, and you were raised in these evangelical worlds and I want you to interpret what he says. And he's talking about deeds versus words. Some. Play the clip, then pump. Tell me if this is reminiscent to, like, pastors preaching in evangelical churches. Play the clip.

Host 1 (12:46)

Yeah. So sad. If Joe Biden had said this about anybody, I would have attacked him and said he was completely wrong. I do hope the President comes back and corrects himself. He was. He was asked to and he didn't. And I think the thing is, you don't have to like the things that he says all the time. It is why in my filter, Trump is always words versus deeds. I don't have to like what he says. In fact, I can hate what he says, but. But I can also think in his brain. He's going, this guy compared me to Hitler. He put a target on my back. I don't like him. It's like, well, if it were me, I'd go like that. I'm sorry he's dead, but he can't let that go. We don't have to like it. I just look at the deeds. But I get why you're up there. That's wrong. I don't disagree with you, but it's wrong. And we should be able to call out right and wrong. We've talked about it on the show this morning. This earlier today. That's wrong, what he did. Okay, one more.

Pumps (13:37)

You know, it's interesting because usually it's done in the context of someone has words that are kind and good natured and then their deeds are ugly. In this case, Trump's words and deeds are ugly. So I don't understand how he's making that connection. He's trying to make him an excuse for him because he is such a coward. He cannot come out and say, we sat on this desk for you know, 87 hours after Charlie Kirk was died and blamed the rhetoric on the left when there actually was none. And now we're sitting here and we're going to make excuses for the moral depravity of the President of the United States and we're going to wrap it up in Christianity because the people that watch our show are unable to critically think because they were brought up in this evangelical biblical world. So, Greg Gutfeld, nice try. That makes no sense.

Host 2 (14:39)

But is it not somewhat Christian signaling using this words versus deeds? I remember my friends growing up, religious friends using that type of language. And that's not something that in everyday language the words versus deeds things. So when I heard that clip, I was so excited to get your take because it reminds me of something that a pastor would say and justifying something or rising somebody. And that words versus deeds is goes into my hypothesis that the Republican Party is Christian signaling. Specifically, Fox News is always Christian signaling to its viewers. They drop these hints that are somewhat familiar with the Bible or something their pastor says and then it provides this moral cover for a complete psychopath, malignant narcissist that happens to be the President of the United States.

Pumps (15:34)

Yeah, no, you're exactly right about that. It's the deeds versus the actions. You hear that all the time. It's just never let's let someone word speak for them. It's always allow someone's deeds to speak for him. This is the inverse here because he sucks on both counts.

Host 2 (15:51)

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