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Podcast Host
Living in the Bible Belt my whole life I didn't really know a lot about Zionism or what it was. And obviously with the genocide that is happening in Palestine, everybody has seen the images of these children and the war crimes of the Israeli government and you can't help but but not dig deeper into it. I've been shocked lately to see this woman named Sarah Hurwitz all over my timeline. She is a former Obama speechwriter and a Zionist and I haven't heard that many Zionists speak in my life because I've been in the throes of the Bible Belt fighting for gay rights, for abortion rights, for women, etc and the more this woman speaks, the more I'm convinced that she is experiencing some sort of psychosis and some sort of crazy cult. This is breathtaking.
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Podcast Guest 1
Play the clip of entering a post literate society and if like all day long your brain is just smashed again and again by TikTok with really upsetting cartage in Gaza, then like there you're talking and like not to. I'm sorry if this is a graphic thing to say but like when I'm trying to make arguments in favor, you know, for Israel, I realize I'm talking through a wall of dead children. Like that's what people are seeing. So when I'm like, yeah, but it's 1.5 civilians for they're just seeing carnage.
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Podcast Host
But that's the emotional blackmail.
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Podcast Guest 1
I mean, fair enough but like again, I mean that's nice but like again I'm hearing that through a wall of screaming children. It's like it's a. I think it's a harder argument than we're understanding. So I actually really strongly think that like Jewish day schools should absolutely say no child owns a smartphone until okay.
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Podcast Host
So what strikes me about this is that she's far more concerned about people seeing a wall of dead children and therefore we need to take away people's smartphones. You could very easily. What strikes me about this is how somebody who her whole identity moving forward is the Holocaust happened to us that she could, you could very easily say, well, it's very difficult for Germany to make their case about German nationalism with wall of all of these people in concentration camps. The fact that I guess Zionist or her in particular, feels like we get to do that to anybody because it happened to us, is so divorced from reality. I watch a lot of documentaries about cults and she sounds like she's in a total cult, experiencing mass psychosis. That was the most insane, inhumane garbage I've ever heard in my life. And I am shocked that the Obamas have not come out and condemned this. This is horrific. This is horrific language.
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Podcast Guest 2
Just wanting to act as if, if we don't allow these kids to see this, this destructive behavior that's killing young children, if we don't allow them to see it, then it's going to be okay. It's like just divorced from. It's not wanting to have a discussion on the merits about what' in Israel with Palestine. That's what that is. That's. That's a tactic to say, hey, let's ignore it, let's talk about something else. And then I didn't really understand, but the interviewer in that clip mentioned the words emotional blackmail as if that was just sort of off his tongue. That that was natural, that that's what that is. What he's talking about, I think, is the fact that you're having to refute a massive amount of killings against young kids to that somehow that's emotional blackmail.
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Podcast Host
That you have to overcome when it's really reality.
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Podcast Guest 2
Right?
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Podcast Host
It's the reality.
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Podcast Guest 2
And it was a pretty, it was a pretty poorly worded question on his part to characterize the killing of children as emotional blackmail.
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Podcast Host
And what I see when it pertains to people speaking in defense of Israel, speaking in defense of Benjamin Netanyahu, I always hear this lack of moral clarity. I hear this word salad. I hear caveats. I hear them trying to link Israel with all Jewish people. I know a lot of Jewish people who are absolutely appalled that this is happening in their name. They think it's an absolute affront to the way they practice Judaism that this type of genocide is being done. And so I want to play for you a clip of a TED Talk. And this is a German Jewish man speaking with absolute moral clarity. Play the clip.
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German Jewish Speaker
The history that you are referring to is awful. But the people that are not responsible for this are the Palestinians. They have nothing to do with this. So in a way, why involve the Palestinians into this? If Germans have a guilty conscience, you Know, I'm a German too. It's not. I'm not counting myself out of this, but there's no reason for the Palestinians to suffer for something that the Germans did 70 or 80 years ago. That's the first point. The second point is, I mean, from my perspective, you know, I get up every morning, first thing I do, I look at my phone. How many hundreds of Palestinians have been killed today? How many hospitals destroyed, how many children, limbs amputated without anesthetic? I mean, you name it, it goes on. How much. How little humanitarian aid is let in, how many bombs are flying, how many tanks are rolling? I mean, Israeli bombs. I find it hard to understand how the demand for an immediate ceasefire is not a consensus in the German or in the Western world. This is something I don't. I still don't understand. See, I think there's a lot of support everywhere.
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Norman Finkelstein
Yeah, no, because.
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German Jewish Speaker
Because I think a lot of people understand this on. On an individual level. But there's. There's this idea that if I criticize Israel, and I have done on numerous occasions, because, frankly, I mean, you know, they're in front of the International Criminal Court accused of genocide. It's not just me, right? If I criticize Israel, Israel, for some reason, I am doing something wrong. I am being either anti Semitic or I'm being unreasonable. Also, another misconception. I think that is actually something that Israel tries to do all the time is to. Is to present itself as the only representation of Jewishness. I mean, I'm Jewish, right? I don't believe in God or anything like that, but I'm Jewish anyway. That's just how it is. But I don't want anything to do. That's just how it is. It doesn't mean I want anything. I don't want be represented by Israel, nor do I feel like I should be represented by Israel. Quite the contrary. So these two things are separate, and only because in Germany, we have a fear of. Of saying the things clearly. Doesn't mean that they're not clear.
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Podcast Host
So this is what it sounds like when somebody has moral clarity and they're not beholden to a bunch of propaganda. He clearly states he's Jewish. He doesn't want Israel to represent him. It's abundantly obvious every time he opens up his smartphone in the morning and he gets a. That Benjamin Netanyahu and the IDF are committing war crimes daily. There is no ceasefire. The ceasefire is violated 10, 12 times a day by Israel. And these Zionists want to control the narrative, and they're the ones who hold us emotionally blackmail and they use this argument of antisemitism. And the Trump administration has used this argument of anti Semitism to go into universities to allow a free fascist who has members Nazis in his administration, Elon Musk, total white supremacist, allows Nazism all over his social media site. They, they use this argument of anti Semitism to go and shake down universities because when college students see injustice, historically they have protested it. So now you have this fascist regime. Not a lot, a lot, a lot of parallels to Nazi Germany. A fascist regime, Gestapo, ICE wearing masks, going and taking non criminals into custody and disappearing them, shaking down these universities and trying to control them and censor them under the guise of anti Semitism. And the more you do this, the more you're incubating fascism and a climate that leads to this type of thing. The emotional blackmail is by the Zionist, all of us and telling us we can't report on what we see with our own eyes and hear with our own ears. This whole, this whole thing with this woman, the more she talks, the more I'm convinced this is some sort of narcissistic, insane cult that doesn't care about human rights.
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Podcast Guest 2
And I have to admit I'm certainly not an expert on this particular topic in Zionism. But I will say this, just in a general sense, being someone who's an atheist and looking from afar, that when you see people get this extreme with their ideology, you see a direct correlation with sort of this irrational thought. And here, of course, we see that in religion in Oklahoma, the more extreme, the more irrational the thought. It's the same sort of concept with this woman. The more extreme she gets dialed into her belief system. And I'm not here to say Zionism is this or that. I don't know those things like experts do that talk about these topics daily. But the extremity, the extreme positions lead to what I think are somewhat irrational opinions.
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Podcast Host
Okay, moving along, here is Norman Finkelstein on Piers Morgan reporting what the United States media will not report. And it is that the IDF has targeted Palestinian children. Play the clip.
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Norman Finkelstein
Let me ask you a simple question. Okay. If you're at war with Gaza, why are you shooting children in the skull and in the chest? The New York Times published an article on that, came under a lot of flack because they published that article. They said, we can't refute the evidence. We have the X rays in front of us. They're shooting children in the head, in the skull and in the chest. If you're Engaged in a war in Gaza. Why are you killing journalists? Why are you killing medics? Why are you killing UN Workers if you're engaged in the war with Hamas? Why is it that Human Rights Watch just this past week put out a report, they tell people where to flee. They say, go to the safe zones. Human Rights Watch says when we, when the people are directed, they're being shot at, at the road.
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Interviewer
But are you seriously saying. No, but, no, but. Hang on, hang on, hang on, hang on, hang on. Let me respond.
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Norman Finkelstein
When you get to the safe area.
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Interviewer
Understand, I've already made that point.
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Norman Finkelstein
Israel jobs to 2,000 pound bombs.
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Interviewer
I've made that very point.
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Norman Finkelstein
Does that sound like a war or does that sound like a genocide? Does it sound like.
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Interviewer
Well, it's interesting. Okay, let's get into that because it's an interesting part of the debate. It's horrendous that UN workers, journalists, children, women have all been killed. It's harassed, targeted. Well, okay, they quibble with the word targeted. They say it's collateral damage as they've gone after terrorists. Here's my question, Norman. Norman, here's my question, Norman. Can you tell me.
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Podcast Host
So that's a prime example right there of reality, that man saying there are multiple, multiple, multiple children. They've seen the X rays that were targeted, shot by an assassin in the chest or in the skull facing the Israeli propaganda that, oh, we have a right to defend ourselves, and this is just collateral damage. And what I'm looking for in this horrific time to be alive, this historical moment that we're all alive, where the United States of America is being taken over by fascism, where you have, have the United States of America funding a genocide is moral clarity. Who has moral clar. Clarity at home and abroad? And when we see these atrocities against a civilian population, it does not help Jewish people for us to not call them out. And I view this in the same way right now. Any criticism as an American that any person internationally has about my government, I welcome. I believe the United States of America is funding a genocide. I believe that the Trump administration is committing war crimes indiscriminately in Venezuela. They are killing people without any evidence, bombing boats. And that deserves all the criticism in the world. And I do not see that as a personal offense to me. And likewise, I implore Jewish people that are very fond of Israel to understand our criticism of your government and of your country is not personal to you. It is because of the war crimes and the atrocities that they commit. And I want to leave you with Senator Van Hollen who went, who knows about an American child who is in Israeli custody. And this is a sitting United States senator talking about this. Play the clip.
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US Senator
I'm going to tell you about a 16 year old American citizen by the name of Mohammed Ibrahim. Right now he is sitting in a jail in Israel. He has been beaten. He has been abused. In the middle of the night about eight months ago, Israeli forces came and snatched him from his family's home on the West Bank. The reports that we've gotten, including reports from some US Embassy officials, is that he's lost a lot of weight. We also know from others who have had a chance to meet with him that he was beaten up. And this is an American kid. So you would think that the United States government would be doing everything possible to secure his release, but they're not. After all, we have a very close relationship with Israel. United States taxpayers provide billions of dollars to the Netanyahu government and the state of Israel. You would think that we would be able to get this American kid out of prison, certainly to make sure that he doesn't get abused and beaten up in prison. So it's long past due that President Trump and Secretary Rubio Master Huckabee do what we say is the number one responsibility of our embassies overseas, which is to protect American citizens.
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Podcast Host
And that's what a senator sounds like from the United States of America that doesn't take AIPAC money. They have moral clarity, they're not beholden to these corporate PACs and they can call out injustice. And that's what all of us need to focus on to get through all of the noise and the bots and the propaganda is who has moral clarity, who is not beholden to corporations or foreign PACs that you know, again, all of these things are fleecing the American taxpayer, these hardworking Americans to fund all of everybody's bullshit.
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Podcast Guest 2
And what we can see is that it also prevents people from having honest conversations about, like you see on the Piers Morgan interview, where they want to call it something else. And it's really not collateral damage. Like you, you just, you can't have an honest conversation if you're beholden to Israel or you're taking APAC money about Israel. And so it prevents this dialogue of just honesty on both sides from taking place.
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Podcast Host
And then you can't. If you don't have honesty and you don't have moral clarity, then how do you solve a problem? And when you start looking at like per state, how much money per state taxpayer goes to fund this Genocide. I think I saw Idaho, not a very populated state. Something like $80 million of Idaho, hard working farmer, rural people goes to fund this genocide where the IDF is shooting kids, little Palestinian kids in the skull or in the head, bombing schools, bombing hospitals, preventing hungry homeless people from getting food. And think about then, you know, what that money could do for people in Idaho. Now listen, I'm not opposed to, I understand, you know, foreign aid, but this is beyond foreign aid. This is. Benjamin Netanyahu specifically wanted Donald Trump to win. Joe Biden had the exact same ceasefire deal. All of these bad actors want Donald Trump to win because it's so easy to dog walk him. Especially when. And I'm gonna play you one final clip. This episode's going a little long, especially when it's basically Epstein has did a lot of double dealing with the government of Israel. And it is widely believed that this president of ours, kings, that Netanyahu and Putin both have compromising information on him. Let's listen to Anna Kasparian of the Young Turks.
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Anna Kasparian
Let's get to some of the headlines that were featured over at Drops News because they pored over the Ehud Barak emails to Epstein, which of course were leaked as part of a hack. They also reported on the various documents and emails that were released by both Democrats and Republicans in the House Oversight Committee. So with that in mind, I mean, this is based on hard evidence. They were able to report the following stories. Epstein helped broker an Israeli security agreement with Mongolia. Interesting. Epstein helped Israel build a back channel to Russia during the Syrian Civil War. That's not all. Epstein helped Israel sell a surveillance state to the Ivory Coast.
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Podcast Host
Epstein also had cameras everywhere in his house. Has said that he's got video footage of Kinks blowing somebody named Bubba and gave it to Putin. Epstein clearly had compromising information on this president. And that's why Cash Patel, Pam Bondi and others will not release this information. For so many MAGA voters, their entire identity was the deep state and these pedophile rings. Somebody was so indoctrinated in it, they went to Comet Pizza in D.C. convinced that there was a basement there and Hillary Clinton was going to be down there, kid diddling. And guess what? There is no basement. And once you get inside the Death Star as Dan Bongino, as Kash Patel, Pam Bondi have found out the person who's in the epicenter of all of this is your boss.
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Podcast Guest 2
Right? And there's just so that we're crystal clear here, there is zero chance of transparency by Pam Bondi or Cash Patel. When it comes to releasing the Epstein files, just everybody needs to know that up front. Okay? There's zero chance that they're going to give everything out unfiltered in a fair way. So have that expectation as it sort of drips its way out. It's. And what's amazing, too, is that people will still believe this narrative that's presented by Pam Bondi or President Trump as this stuff comes out, I mean, and not have questions about what's already been presented, which there's already most people would have already suffered what we would call a deal breaker by just what's already been released.
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Podcast Host
Right.
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Podcast Guest 2
I mean, this would be over. Your career would be over. You would be tucked away, walking away. And that's not where we are in today's day and age. It was like a blip. It didn't even really have a huge impact. It did for a little bit, but then it just sort of bounced off of him and went on. So.
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Podcast Host
But it's just amazing to me that all of these situations are problems with Russia and our president constantly promoting Kremlin talking points. Our problem with giving a blank check to a war criminal, Benjamin Netanyahu, all of these things seem to have some tie to Epstein. So it makes you understand why this administration is making sure and with the assist of the speaker of the House and the Senate majority leader, that they are going to make sure that they keep this from the American public. All right. That's all we have for this episode. Pumps is on vacation. Josh is filling in like subscribe, buy our book. We'll be back later with more news.
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Podcast Guest 2
Foreign.
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