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All right, welcome to IHIP News. We are in New York with Congressman Ro Khanna who has been in the episode center of the biggest cover up in American history, I think possibly global history. And of course I'm talking about the Epstein files. You have partnered with a strange bedfellow, a Republican bipartisanship support, to release the full files.
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C
First of all, it's good to see you in person. I usually see you just on a zoom screen and I appreciate your voice. It's been so disturbing and disgusting. I mean, look, I met these survivors for months. They've come into Congressman Thomas Massie in my offices. They have broken down in tears. People talk about being raped at 13, 14 and then being told to recruit others or they're going to continue to be raped. One person said it's like a box. You can push it away, but it comes back up. So for me and Thomas Massie and Marjorie Taylor Greene, this became very personal. And to see the level of people who are involved and the most famous people and powerful people in finance, in business, in Hollywood, thinking there's nothing wrong going to a convicted pedophile's island and watching at parties where girls are being paraded naked or knowing that young girls are being raped. I mean, it is just horrifying to me, genuinely horrifying. And that's why I call this the Epstein class, because if you look at the survivors, so many of them come from working class backgrounds. One of the things I found so disturbing is many of them didn't have a father. So they were being preyed on in that kind of calculated way. And the people who were abusing and raping them were rich and powerful and new politicians and told them, don't call the police. So it is just this abuse of power that people, for their own gratification treated these folks as disposable for years.
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B
What percentage of the Epstein files have you seen?
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C
I have seen more than probably most, but it's still 2, 2% or so because they have 3 million of these files that they're allowing us to, to see. And the unredacted versions of just those 3 million. There are 3 million that they've totally scrubbed the FBI, but they give us one hour to do it in a cubicle about the size of the studio with four computers. So they've kept a lot of it hidden. And I have more insight because I've got a great team. And the survivors will text me. One person, without revealing her confidence, said, look, I was raped when I was 17 in France, and I was raped in a building by someone who had the built, lived in the same building as Jeffrey Epstein. And this person's in the files, and he's left the United States, and he left France because he doesn't want to be under any jurisdiction. And she's like, why aren't we investigating this person? Why aren't we prosecuting this person? And I can't tell you how many cases there are like that. They're not all famous people. They're just rich and powerful men who raped these girls. And. And there's no investigation, there's no prosecution. And one of them texted me after Pam Bondi, and she said, I've lost hope. Right? I mean, all the pundits are looking at this, oh, who insulted who? Who came out ahead? And the survivors are just saying, what is going on in this country that we can't get investigations and prosecution?
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Pam Bondi, I thought her ridiculous, immature, smug performance was most. I mean, most of all was a direct insult to these victims. And such a flagrant expression that your voice doesn't matter. But what I have to think about is these women came forward a long time ago during the Obama administration.
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C
Yes.
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B
And if we take it all the way back, we have Democratic DOJs and then Trump's DOJ, where Jeffrey Epstein committed suicide. And then I said that in quotes, if for those of you that are listening. And then we have Merrick Garland's doj, where that wasn't even investigated at all. And now it's back here. And because of you and your bipartisanship, we are pushing forward. And it's just unbelievable to me. I heard Jamie Raskin say that he thinks Trump's name is in the files over 1 million times.
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C
He did. And Jamie is not one to exaggerate. I mean, he's very precise. And he looked at some of the searches and came to that conclusion. I mean, Trump's all over it, as are, by the way, people in his own cabinet and administration. I mean, the fact that Lutnick is still in the Cabinet should just be horrifying, regardless of your politics. He is our representative, our face of business to the world. And he takes his family to Epstein's island after he knows that Epstein is a convicted pedophile and he lies about it. And, and then he has alleged business dealings with it. And Donald Trump, who from his own documents calls up the police in 2006 saying, I need, I know that Epstein is doing some horrible things with young girls. He has Howard Lutnick in his cabinet, even though Lutnick was doing business with this guy after Trump called. The fact that we're not willing to say Republicans and Democrats, that Lutnick doesn't need to go sends a message that we're just okay with this, that, that if you have wealth, if you have power, there's no accountability. And look at other countries. I mean, the British monarchy is in trouble. The British government may fall. Norway, the princess is not going to become queen because of the lack of public support. In Sweden and Austria, they're investigating anyone who had any correspondence with Epstein. Yet in our country, there isn't this sense of accountability.
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B
And, you know, it seems that there's a through line between January 6th and the Epstein files. And what it is is that they go after low level offenders in January 6th. They never went after who funded it.
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C
Exactly.
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B
All of those people that got, ended up becoming convicted and then got a pardon. These are people that got radicalized online. Somebody paid their way out to D.C. they committed these crimes.
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C
Right.
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B
Now we know since then that Trump has spent $3 million of his own money to fund January 6th. But DOJ sat on this set on the rich people that funded it, much like they're doing with the Epstein files. And what's been so jarring for me with the Epstein files are the timestamps. Right after somebody is a convicted pedophile, Howard Lutnick, we're bringing our children and here are their genders and ages. That's some weird shit.
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C
That really is.
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I mean, that's just unbelievable that you don't have as a parent or we're not going there. And the fact that Howard Lutnick with the New York Post tried to provide cover before this came out. And every time I open up my phone, a new person from Trump's orbit has entered the chat. Yeah, Dr. Oz has entered the Epstein chat.
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C
I saw that.
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B
It's almost as if they all got together and said, look, we have to go back and get these files or we're all going down. I mean, it's what, what leads you to believe the collusion and the COVID up and the coordination with all of these men to suppress it. And then you have Pam Bondi, who gender washing the whole thing. The, the, the sweetheart deal and the prison moving of Ghislaine Maxwell. Could you imagine if that happened under Democratic doj?
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C
I mean, so much for law and order. I mean, they're basically taking someone who is a convicted pedophile who facilitated the abuse and rape of these young girls, and she has the audacity to testify saying, I know who the other men are. I can name them, but I'm not going to name them unless you give me clemency and let me out of prison. I mean, she's basically saying to the entire country, I know all of this, but get me out of prison. And she's trying to cut a deal with Trump. And then Trump is basically saying, I don't want Bill Clinton to testify because I know if he testifies, I'm going to have to testify. And Maxwell's there saying, I'm going to tell you that Trump and Clinton didn't do anything wrong. It is a club. And that's what's, that's why they fought so hard to make this, to cover this up. And it's not just me saying it or even Massey saying it. Nancy Mace came up to me and we've had heated disagreements. You said, Roe, this is a cover up. It's a cover up. And look, they scrubbed. In March, Donald Trump ordered the FBI to scrub those files. They scrubbed them. Right. Thomas Massie. And my bill passes in November that says you need to give all the files that are there. Here's what they do. They send the scrubbed FBI files to the doj. The DOJ then does additional redactions. And now they're asking members to come in and see the files that the DOJ redacted, but not the original scrubbed FBI files. So members are going there and they're saying, well, there's still, everything is still blacked out because they have not done the unredactions of the FBI files. And what's in the FBI files, that's the most important stuff. Yeah. We got the emails that show that people went to the island and were involved, but the survivors have named the names and those are in the FBI files. How do I know? Because I've talked to the survivors and the survivors lawyers. I was so angry about it that I went on the house floor after Massey and I found six people who were covered and shouldn't have been. And I just named their names because there has to be some sense of accountability in this country.
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B
Yeah. And then what is really interesting to me is how connected Jeffrey Epstein was with very nefarious Adversaries and, or allies of the United States. Communications with Russia, communications with Israel. And I always had wondered, how did he get all of this money? How, how is. How was he a billionaire?
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C
Right?
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B
And as you start to see this whole scheme unfold because of you and Congressman Massie's bill, you start to deduce that, oh, was he blackmailing people? All of these wealthy people are. Have access to rape little girls. These conversations with Peter Thiel and Palantir and now all of these government contracts to Palantir, they're surveilling you and your co workers. Peter Thiel wants a surveillance state. The emails between Jeffrey Epstein and Peter Thiel about these two deciding that democracy is incompatible and they're cheering on Brexit. That stuff, aside from all the child sex stuff, is a bombshell for national security. And it just, it doesn't seem to get traction.
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C
Well, you're absolutely right. I mean, look, he is meeting with Gordon Brown's trade representative, Peter Mendelssohn, who's giving him tips that Britain is going to be buying the euro and Epstein is trading on it. He is collecting prime ministers as if they're, you know, part of his friend network. And he's talking about facilitating introductions to, for the Indian Prime Minister in the United States. He's talking about what he's going to do with the Israeli prime minister to the point that Benjamin Netanyahu felt compelled to address the issue. He had met with Ehud Barak so many times, and he's meeting with the rich and powerful across the world. And so this is a club, and it's a club that has no regard for the law, that is extractive in its wealth generation, that has shafted sort of the working class not just in this country, but in other parts of the world, and really has given rise to an angry populism. And so the historians are going to study those files and not just for the rape and for what happened. And the survivors. They're gonna study it from a lens of how callow, immature, reckless, venal, the elite, the governing elite of our society in America and around the world were at this time. I mean, it's a shameful look at the elite.
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B
And what do you make of Donald Trump's the claims in there? There is some sworn testimony, not tip line, sworn testimony of sexual violence against the president. Witnessed, signed, under oath. What do you make of that?
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C
He needs to be investigated and answer questions. I mean, there's an FBI sheet where he's listed as one of the top suspects for alleged wrongful behavior and alleged crimes. And the reality is that he's. He's literally the first person who should be deposed and asked questions. I mean, and here we have, you know, comer chasing everyone else. And that's not saying, look, I think the Clinton should come. I think the others should come. But how do you not have Donald Trump as the first person that you're asking questions under oath and that there was. There should be an investigation, and there should be an investigation for everyone? And Massie and I have said this from day one. It's not partisan for us, not about Trump. It's not about Clinton. It's about the people who were involved in holding them accountable. And he shouldn't be above the law and escape the accountability.
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B
He always does, doesn't he?
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C
He always does, though. This is different, and he knows this is different. You know why this is different? I was on Sean Ryan's podcast. He's one of the big podcasters on the. On the MAGA side. He was all in for Trump, and he said, roe, I would never vote for him again because he's protecting pedophiles. I just. I'm done with him. And, you know, he's got someone at a factory town in Michigan saying, you know, donald Trump stopped protecting pedophiles. This has broken through. And it's broken through, particularly, I think, with a lot of young men who see the world as good and bad, and they thought, okay, they're the good guys. They're on the side of law enforcement, and these are bad guys. And Donald Trump was going to somehow expose this corruption, and now he's part of the corruption. I think this has cut more deeply in his MAGA base in losing trust than almost anything. And he knows that. That's why he keeps saying, let's move on, let's move on. The irony is, every time he says move on, it just becomes a bigger and bigger issue.
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What about your Republican colleagues? I remember. You and I are old enough to remember when there was a sense of decorum in the House and civility. And I feel like there is a mass MAGA psychosis. Like, if you look at the speaker of the House, whom I refer to as Moses, Mike Johnson, because he has conversations with God. He's so.
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C
I haven't been so blessed.
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B
Me either. He's so. These men are so submissive. They campaign and they do all of this tough talk that they're these big alpha males, and Donald Trump is this beacon of masculinity, yet he wears a full face of makeup right Decorates his Oval Office to the point of a complete travesty, listens Blair's opera music. I mean, just kind of acts like this old queen. And then you have all of these alpha males, your colleagues, that pretend to be alpha males, that are so submissive to this man. Yeah, these MAGA people, a lot of them deeply religious. Do you think it's breaking through to any of your colleagues? Are they too scared of him? Are they too scared to buck him? Or do they just have MAGA psychosis? Like, get us into the psychology of these Republicans that have this power and don't use it. They don't practice what they preach.
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C
I think it was the Republican women who broke Trump when, when, when history writes the turning point, because it was a Nancy Mace and Marjorie Taylor Greene and Lauren Boebert that stood with Thomas Massie and me. And at some point, it'll come out what all threats they had to undergo. I mean, being hauled into the Situation Room, being threatened not just with their careers, but security. And they stood up, and people didn't think we had a shot in hell to get this passed. And, and we passed it in the House, and we passed it in the Senate, and Donald Trump caved. And since that moment where people said, wow, Trump, you can stand up to Trump and you can win, there have been so many of these Republican discharge petitions now on different issues. It's sort of like the floodgates have opened up that, yeah, you can question Donald Trump, you can stand up to Trump. It's still not enough, but people see that he's losing his grip on his own base. For those. All this masculinity, I mean, what is more masculine than protecting a young girl from a pedophile? So they see the protection of pedophiles as the least masculine thing. And. And this has started to break through. So I believe that you have a crack in the MAGA coalition. Though I was disappointed yesterday with Pam Bondi because they all circled the wagons, but Pam Bondi allegedly was threatening Republicans that the DOJ is going to go after you if you don't fall in line. And they did this to Mark Kelly right there. They've done this to Eric Swalwell. They're perfectly capable of opening investigations to make someone's life very difficult. And this is why you. Look, they have certain. They haven't done that to Massey or me. But one of the reasons that no one went after the Epstein files, just in real talk, is there are a lot of powerful people there, and there are a lot of powerful People who are donors on both sides. And you make a lot of enemies. I mean, Massie has all these billionaires coming after him for multiple reasons. I have billionaires upset at me, and they don't. They won't say it's because of the Epstein files, but the reality is the way to make it up in politics is you. It's addition. You keep your head down, you're affable, you make friends, you try to win everyone over. You don't go take fights with the most powerful people. You don't make enemies. And both Massey and I had a sort of a maverick streak saying, no, we. We don't care. And that's. I think. And we did win in this case in terms of the legislation. I think it's giving more people the confidence to stand up.
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B
What do you think is the ultimate push of all of this? I mean, they're breaking the law right now. Correct. By not releasing the full file. So what power do you all have to continue to force the drip of all of this information?
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C
We, the survivors, could go to court. You know, Massey and I lost in court in calling for a special master judge. I believe that he made. The judge may actually think that was a good idea, given these redactions. We didn't lose on the merits. He just said we didn't have standing, but the survivors do. And he welcomed us to bring a lawsuit. So the courts are an option, in my view. Once we take back Congress, we should have a special committee on the Epstein hearings, and we should haul in front of Congress every single person who has emails saying, I went or want to go to Epstein's island. I mean, if, if, if someone goes to an island with a known convicted pedophile where, you know, young girls are being raped, I'm not saying they're guilty, but you would at least think they'd be investigated. Asked, what did you see? What do you know what was happening there? None of that happened. So Congress should be having those investigations. And the next administration needs to say, we will actually investigate and prosecute this. I have no confidence in Pam Bondi or Donald Trump actually doing that. And we. Our law, Massey, and my law doesn't allow for the unclassification of information because that would have been unconstitutional. But a president should appoint someone who is trusted, really trusted, to look at the intelligence, the classified information about Epstein. There are public pictures of him at the CIA to look. So it's not conspiratorial. And explain to the American public how did he make his money? What was he doing what were his actual ties to intelligence agencies here or around the world? And not speculate about it, but actually do that.
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B
What about, what do you know about his brother, Mark Epstein? He seems to be pushing this narrative that he, it wasn't a suicide and he's ordering a new autopsy. Does that fall into anything that you all are doing or do you keep abreast of that?
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C
So when I started all of this, I would have told you he killed himself for sure. And now I have some doubt. I mean, I don't, I can't say that it's not the truth, but there are too many things that they have covered up that I don't know for, for, for, for sure. And that is why I think we have to look at not just the unclassified information, but also the classified information. And only the President can do it. Congress can't declassify. So you need. And this president obviously isn't going to do it. So that is something for, for the future. But for right now, Congress could haul these people in tomorrow. I mean, Speaker Johnson, if he was just. Even for the politics, he should be appointing a special committee, put Massey and me in charge of it or even do Garcia and Comer and Oversight and start hauling people in and asking them what they knew, what they, what did they. Did they do. And let's investigate these people if justice isn't going to investigate them.
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B
And the speaker just seems 100% out to lunch. Every interview I see with him, if it's a controversial question, he says, oh, I haven't heard of this. And I'm like, you're, you monitor your son's porn. You said that on his words, he takes the time to monitor his son's porn use and son monitors his porn use. And he expects us to believe that he's not briefed on the things that are happening in the country when he is the speaker of the House. And to have that kind of power and not wield it to be speaker is just about the most submissive thing I have ever seen. Do you see any people in the Republican Party? You said there's some fissures with the women. Do you see any fissures with the men in the Republican Party? Because there's a theory, proven theory, that when strong men, and that's what Trump is, a dictator, when they become frail and you can see the physical manifestations of their aging.
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C
Right.
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You know, he has the cankles, he has to wear the makeup on his hand. He has that looks like he has had a stroke. The Droopy face, that that's when fissures within the support really start taking off. And I feel like from now to midterms would be the most important time for this to happen, because I do not trust him to not do everything in his power to suppress, cheat.
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C
Oh, absolutely.
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Have I harass people? Do all he will do.
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C
It's all on the table.
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B
Yeah.
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C
Look, I think you're absolutely right. I didn't think of it in terms of the physical aging, but this is how, like other countries that have authoritarian rulers, they just wait until the ruler ages. Right. And to some extent, you are seeing fissures. You have Don Bacon, who I respect. He was a general. He's been served the country 30 years. He's departed from Trump on tariffs on NATO. I mean, he's very concerned that Trump's insulting Canada and insulting NATO allies. You have Brian Fitzpatrick from Bucks County, Pennsylvania, where I grew up, he just voted against the tariffs. So you're starting to see Turner. Representative Turner from Ohio said, look, in this country, we don't just have capital punishment for people who may be coming and bringing drugs into America. Like, you don't just shoot them and kill them, even if they're bringing drugs. So I think they are waking up, but they're not enough of them. But the cracks, the cracks are there. And my view is we have a real chance for a significant win in the midterms, and that's how we have to approach it. We've got to win by decisive margins, because they're going to kick people off the rolls. They're going to have ICE intimidate, they're going to try to intimidate the county elections where they can. And the scariest thing is Mike Johnson gets to determine in a close race whether to seat someone. And that is the place where we have a constitutional crisis. And remember, this is someone, Mike Johnson, who was the lawyer for Donald Trump in 2020, in filing those cases, saying that the election was not legitimate. So this is going to come to a head when there are close races and who to seat, and we can't take that chance. We've got to win by 20 to 25 seats and. And we've got to win by a plus five margin. That's. That's the reality of what we're facing.
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B
What do you make of DOJ using surveillance on your colleagues? You there, they. There was a Getty photographer that took an image of Pam Bondi's burn book, right. And she had your congresswoman, your colleague, her name eludes me. But her search history in the skiff, looking at the Epstein's, if they're surveilling what exactly you all are looking at. And when I think about that, and then I think about what's actually in the Epstein files, which is Peter Thiel, Palantir surveillance, colluding with Jeffrey Epstein and also these ICE agents that are taking pictures of people and putting them in some database. It really seems like even congresspeople are falling prey to this surveillance state. Yes, that is the desired outcome of these crazy billionaires. And I just, this is just me. I don't think that Trump, I think he's evil, I think he's a racist, but I think fundamentally he's a. I.
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C
Don'T think I agree with you.
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B
I don't think he has the intellectual rigor to be super diabolical long term planning. In short term he can, but his whole brain works short term.
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C
Totally agree. That's our saving grace from authoritarianism is just his incompetence at times.
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B
Yeah.
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C
Not that we could be complacent, but I totally agree with that, that diagnosis. I mean, look how he tried to overturn the election. It was so incompetent, who he was calling it justice and how he was frantic about it. It was evil, it was un American. But it was also fundamentally incompetent. And, but, but, but people around him like Russell Voight and Stephen Miller, they're not incompetent.
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B
They, they're diabolical. Long term.
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C
Long term, yeah.
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B
What about Peter Thiel? He lives in your district.
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C
Well, I, I gave a whole speech about it nine months ago, calling out why he's so dangerous. Some of these people in Silicon Valley, if you talk to them, they say, well, we would have been conquerors in a different age. We are ubermensch. We. No, I'm not kidding. You know, they all, they all read Ayn Rand's novel and like the, the Fountainhead or Atlas Shrugged, and then they stopped reading after that. And they view themselves as these civilizational builders and they view people like me, for those who have read Ayn Rand, as like a Peter Keating fellow, like one of these bureaucrats, these people who get in the way, these politicians who are stopping us from building greatness. And Peter Thiel literally says that democracy and innovation are, are not compatible. They rather, if you ask them, have the wealth accumulated within the hands of a few because they think they know how to invest in AI and invest in Mars and keep America soaring. And all the rest of the folks, well, they're just the Little people who are in the way. And it is such an arrogance of worldview that I don't think people fully understand. And especially with AI where they're talking about eliminating jobs. I mean, Musk is saying, let's just eliminate jobs. This is what we have to stand up to. Are we going to have an AI revolution for all of us or for these billionaires? Are we going to have a country for all of us or these powerful few? And that to me is the biggest issue. Look, in the Gilded Age, Rockefeller was the wealthiest person compared to the GDP. Musk just surpassed that with 700 billion. So as a percent of GDP, we now have people who are at the wealthiest relative to everyone else. And there's an unholy alliance between wealth and power.
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B
You know what pisses me off about Peter Thiel is he wants to be a politician, but he doesn't want to put his name on the ballot and go win the proper way and get the support of people. And he has absorbed all of the benefits of democracy, of living in California, which all of these people bash all the time. It made him. And he's an immigrant that has come here and then he's colluding with Jeffrey Epstein and all of these other rich pedophiles and he wants to cheat to gain power. And at the core of this Epstein thing and all of these oligarchs is they're not going to put their name on a ballot. Peter Thiel is not going to put in run against Ro Khanna because you'd kick his ass.
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C
They just want to threaten me. You know, I mean, imagine this thing. All these billionaires who, who said, oh, let's recruit someone. I get these texts, we're thinking of recruiting someone to run against you. Where I'm thinking of funding your opponen. And none of them say I want to run against you. But imagine this. Look, should one person have that much power that they think that because they disagree with someone in Congress who represents 700,000 that they can just take them out? But that's what they think. And why? Because they can put hundreds of millions of dollars into these super PACs.
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B
We need to, as Democrats, define that as such a weak puss boy move. You have to pay your way to try to get power, right? You can't do it through work. You want to find some political prostitute via JD Vance, who is Peter, Peter Till's prostitute.
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C
It's creation. His creation.
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B
And it's just, it's such a puss boy move that this party that's all about masculinity and being men.
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C
I never, I didn't even think of it that way.
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B
You know, it's like the weakest thing you can do. You have to find some boy like J.D. vance who's changed his name three times, changed his religion, can't stand up for his immigrant parents, can't stand up for his mixed race children. You know, he's totally on board with the racial profiling of ice. And I guess it never occurs to him that he lives with people that have a different complexion than he does. But he's bought and paid for and it's just such a weak move, these oligarchs. When every time I hear Elon Musk speak, I realize we have been sold a bill of goods in America. We have been propagandized, that if you're rich, you're smart.
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C
That's exactly right.
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B
That's such a lie. I have heard Peter Thiel speak and it's so weird that his side hustle is speaking about the Antichrist. You know, like he does these. And then when you hear, I mean.
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C
I met him, I knew him and we had a common professor at University of Chicago and I met him in 2014. I haven't met him since or 2012. And you know, he's, at the time it just seemed like, okay, he's this libertarian guy. But you now come to realize these, these folks think they're better than that us. They think they're better than people.
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B
And you come to realize they're not that smart.
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C
They're not, they're not.
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B
Nor do they have any riz at all. Which is why they can't run for office.
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C
Right? Yeah. Although Vance got there, but I guess he got, he got picked. It was derivative risk. Derivative.
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B
Yeah. And I think that was a deal. Wasn't like, hey, we'll fund you. Yes, if put our boy in place. Because I don't think Trump really likes Vance. I've heard that he plays Rubio and Vance against each other. Authoritarian experts call this divide and rule. It's a very common playbook. But I want to thank you. We're going to have part two with Roana coming up later where we are going to talk about the midterms, Dems, ice, billionaire tax, all of that. So we'll be back in just a minute.
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A
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