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We are so happy today to be joined by Joy Reed, who is fabulous and smart, and so I wanted to talk to her about some really serious voting issues. But we have to start. Joy, and thank you for being here.
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Thank you so much for having me. So much fun to see you.
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Okay, we have to start with this ridiculous video of RFK and Kid Rock. And you said you haven't seen it?
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No.
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So I want your reaction to this. This, because it is unbelievable that this is someone in charge of health of the United States of America. Here we go.
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Let's see it.
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Secretary and Kennedy and Kid Rock's rock Out workout. If you're listening, these two men are the biggest bozos RFK is working out as is Kid Rock. Both take their shirts off. He's in his jeans, changing exercise in a sauna room. Yeah, Flip flops. RFK just jumps in a cold plunge with his jeans on, and now they're toasting whole milk in what looks to be some type of hot tub. What a bunch of bozos.
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I feel like I can't unsee that, and I'm gonna see it in my nightmares when I try to go to slee sleep tonight. Ew, gross. Yuck. I mean, first of all, it's like that. The alternative to getting vaccinated.
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That's what I was gonna say. Like, there's a measles outbreak and you're getting in a cold plunge and jeans. Thank you.
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Jeans and flip flops and ew. And I don't want to ever see those two men with their shirts off ever, ever, ever, ever. I mean, doesn't RFK do. Didn't he admit to, like, snorting coke off of a dirty toilet seat?
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Yes. To prove he wasn't a germaphobe, which I'm just like, shut up. You are giving health advice. Pregnant women are panicked about Tylenol. Like, it's unbelievable to me the people that Trump has put in positions of power, but this one has such dire consequences. I mean, they all do. But, like, you see, I went in and got a mammogram the other day, Joy. There was a big sign, Beware, there's a measles outbreak. And I thought, are you fucking kidding me?
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I mean, and the thing about it is, and I'm glad you mentioned the mammogram, Angie, because we have to get them, right? We have to get our mammogram. But I, in this era, have gone back to where I was at Covid because of RFK Jr. And how they've essentially eliminated vaccine. Anybody who doesn't want to get a vaccination? Doesn't have to. I'm now worried, are these surfaces coated with measles? Am I going to get sick? Because people, you know, there were nurses at the time, during the COVID pandemic, who were with like the RFK junior Crowd who were like, I don't need. I too do not believe, you know, in vaccines. And so I'm now nervous, like, where am I going to contract me? People are power sneezing on planes and I'm on the plane and you're like, what are you giving me right now?
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Well, we got an email from the university where my son goes that there was an outbreak on campus corner where all the young kids go of measles. And so I had to call the doctor and be like, he's fully vaccinated. Is he covered? Of course. You know, thank goodness he was. But I just thought, how stupid do you have to be to say, I don't believe in science, I believe in Facebook doctors. And then you get a mouthpiece like rfk, which I tell people all the time, I'm a lawyer. Do you want me to do your open heart surgery?
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Right.
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You want me to prescribe your blood pressure medicine? RFK has no business in the health sphere, in my opinion, at all.
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He has no expertise. He's just like a rich Kennedy. And like, not even one of the good Kennedy. He's not even one of the interesting. He's a weirdo. His own family doesn't trust him. He sorts coke off cocaine off of, off of toilet seats. He was like, like a heroin addict. Why am I taking out the. But he jumped into a dirty river in D.C. that nobody goes in. I think there are cars at the bottom of the river. And he jumped in, like, think with his grandkids. This dude was a health menace and he's a menace to society. And then we're supposed to like put our bare breasts into a mammogram machine, hoping that an RFK junior Acolyte wasn't there before us and their bare breast was in that machine before ours. Please clean that thing with like hyper alcohol, because I ain't putting my booby there after RFK Jr fan. But I want my mammogram. True. I mean, it's.
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You just don't know who the crazies are.
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No. And the thing is, what worries me is a lot of the people who are down with this, you know, they were like more like liberal moms. They start and then they got red pilled. Because of COVID and this idea of the vaccinations red pilled so many people who were otherwise fairly normal. You now have in Florida, where, thank God we left where we used to live, kids are just like going to school un vaccinated. I mean, measles, mumps rebella vaccine. Is that like optional now? Like, I'm so glad my kids are grown.
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Absolutely, yes. In Florida it's optional. And they are putting up legislation in different states to no longer require vacc vaccinations in public school. Which is bananas. Because if you go, go into a funeral, I'm sorry, a cemetery, and you see the little bitty headstones of all the babies that died before the vaccine, it's like is. Would you rather your kid die than get a vaccine? Like, is that where we are?
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I think it, I think it is. You know, there are people who, they are so mistrustful of the state, even though now the state is in the hands of their favorite president, that they believe that any vaccine at all and asking or mandating it is tyranny. And it's like you're the same people who don't think armed mask militias in the streets of Minneapolis, in the suburbs, snatching brown people and throwing them into a van is tyranny. That's not tyranny. But asking that maybe your kid get a measles vaccine so they don't kill other kids in class. The. I don't know if it was brainworms from COVID I don't know what it is, but we're in a madhouse.
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Well, here's the thing. This makes me crazy and this is kind of off topic, but I have to say it. When the vaccine came out and I'm sorry, when Covid, before the vaccine and people were wearing masks and you had so many. My body, my choice. I'm not going to wear a vaccine or a mask. I live in Oklahoma. It's a complete abortion ban state. It is. You cannot ask your doctor for advice about a pregnancy or, or he will go to jail. And the same people that are my body, my choice about their fucking mask want to sit in my uterus and tell me what I should do with my body. And they don't see, like, they don't see that that's the exact same thing, but yet they're putting it on other people.
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It is. None of it makes any sense. Right there for masks. If it's on an, if it's on an armed militia, Trump, you know, secret police, that's master Fine. There but no masks for. To stop you from getting a disease. And, and, but they do expect their surgeon to wear a mask if he's going to perform Arber heart surgery on them. If he walked in there unmasked, they'd probably be fairly alarmed. And, and then at the same time, to your point, they don't believe that women, that you or I should have any say whatsoever over a pregnancy, just no say at all. Only the man should decide that. They should decide that. The church should decide that. Someone else. So when it comes to, like, the most egregious thing you get me, nine months of carrying a child, they think you, they should order you to do that. They should order. And then they don't even want to help you pay for the child's upbringing. No, no, no help for preschool. No free preschool. They don't even want the kid to get free school lunch. They're like, the kid can starve. You just have to get them born. None of it makes any sense. And they call that Christianity. And it's offensive and crazy.
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It's offensive and crazy. Okay, so that brings us to a transition about the SAVE act, which is this new voting act that they're saying is going to protect, you know, election integrity, but it's straight up voter suppression disproportionately. It will affect, as no shock, black and brown voters and women. And so what is your position on this, and how alarmed should we be about the possibility of this being passed?
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Well, I think it has like 51 votes and counting in the Senate. I think we should be very alarmed. It's already past the House. And remember that the purpose, the reason the SAVE act exists is that the right has this ongoing conspiracy theory that they've had for decades that the only reason Republicans ever lose elections is that there are millions and millions and millions of undocumented immigrants who they call, quote, unquote, illegals voting. And they are sure these people are voting. And the illogical part about that is if you're in the country undocumented, in order to vote, you have to get documented. You'd have to go into a dmv, present yourself, give your address, and then give them all the information they need to find you and deport you. Millions of people are doing that. I mean, I guess there'd be one crazy person might do it. But you're saying millions of people are now outing themselves as undocumented immigrants in order to vote for somebody they probably never heard of. Because if they're undocumented immigrants, are they really watching the news and paying attention to who the candidates are such that they can go and vote. So they're saying that's one thing that's happening. Or they're saying that people are paying these undocumented people to vote and then they're. Or using their. Using fake. They have all these. But their own organizations, Heritage foundation, who wrote the project 2025, Cato Institute, right wing organizations have studied this. There is none of this. It doesn't happen. It is so illogical and stupid. It doesn't happen. But they think they can fix it by saying everybody in the country now has to present a proof of citizenship to vote. But the only proof of citizenship you could possibly get that would be clear would be either a birth certificate or a passport. Well, who issues the passports? The Trump administration. So you have to go to the Trump administration to get the only document they'll let you bring in to vote. So what if they say you can't have it or they cancel your passport? Then you can't vote. Makes no sense.
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Or you don't have $130.
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Or you don't have $130. Or if you've changed your name. So how does James Donald Hamill. What is. What is J.D. vance's real name? John Donald Hamil. Does he know?
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It's been changed so many times.
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Like, every trans person would be immediately unable to vote, and every married woman because she changed her name would automatically have to give additional proof in order to vote. So they're going to disenfranchise their own. Their own voters because the majority of married women vote Republican.
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Here's something that just incensed me a couple nights ago on Fox. They had all the women that sit there and, you know, browbeat other women and their achievements, but that's not what we're talking about saying how they would be. They're offended that people are saying that they don't have the ability to. To get the proper documentation because they're married. I mean, it's offensive to women is on this name change thing. And I thought I got divorced like 10 years ago. Whatever. It took me two years to get all my paperwork changed back. You have to get your decree. You have to mail it in. You have to go to the dmv. Then you have to take your decree into the bank. Then you have to. I mean, like, it was a forever process. It was not easy. Not everybody has a personal assistant that can cut through the red tape. But I was like, okay, so now they're trying to sell women you should be offended if they think you're not smart enough to change your name. Let me tell you something. It is a person heavy time, heavy commitment to do this name name change. It enraged me. Joy.
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No. And they act as if they don't control some of the actual mechanisms for you to do it. So if you're in a red state and they've decided that, you know what, Oklahoma City, though, there's too many blue voters there. Let's go ahead and close these DMVs at 4, you get off at 5. How are you going to go in there and get your name change document? I remember I had to get my original birth certificate and the name does not match my current name or my voter registration because my name at birth was completely different than what my name is now. Like John Donald name or James Donald, whatever his name is. J.D. vance. Right. I'm in a similar position. My name wasn't the same, same. But to go and get my birth certificate, I had to stay. I had to go to New York. I was there a whole day. I had to stand in a long line, you to make an appointment when your appointment time comes. This was hours of, of time that it took for me to go in and do the whole process. What if you work all day at Mickey D's or you're working all day at Walmart and you don't have two hours, you don't have a, you, you have a 45 minute, one hour lunch. When are you doing this? And if you can't do it, they're saying you can't vote. They want more in the SAVE Act. They want one day of voting. They want to end, if they could, all early voting and make everyone vote on election day. And they'd love to end absentee balloting. They want to end all the ways that it's become easier to vote and force everyone to stand in line, maybe with armed ICE agents prowling the line, pulling people out of line and throwing them in vans and then maybe not letting them out till after the polls close. All the ways that they could steal this election, they're trying it because they know in a free and fair election, they would lose.
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Well, and that's another thing we hear about Trump saying he's, you know, the most best ever first year in office. You know, everybody knows it. He is so historically unpopular. He's so underwater on every issue. All of his policies the American people hate. So they try to rig the system with gerrymandering, now voter suppression. And then when they put Trump Just put in charge of election integrity, a 2020 election denier in these positions. I have zero faith in the federal government. I believe like they're going Tulsi Gabbard's in Georgia. What are they cooking up for the midterms? Like, I'm terrified.
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I am too. And I think if we're not terror, anyone who's not terrified is just not paying attention. It's very clear they do not want to the government to change hands, even though, let's just be clear, the Democrats aren't exactly the strongest cats out there. It's not like they're promising retribution like what we would want. You know, they can barely. They won't say abolish ice. They can't run from. They can't, you know, they can't even take two steps away from APAC without, you know, falling on their on, on the floor. Apparently they're terrified to even like, look, look at apac. Funny. You know, they have to be. They can't say anything about Israel. They can't do it. Like all the stuff that could help them. They don't even want to do it. They just think we can just dream affordability and just say affordability and just say we're going to say powerful words about affordability and they're fine. So the Democrats ain't exactly nothing to be scared of. But the Republicans are certainly scared to give them control of Congress because they know that if the Democratic base forced the Democrats to behave in the way we want, they would be defunding dhs, they would be defunding ice. They would be exposing all of the criminality of that's going on inside of the Trump regime and they would be holding to account Pamela, Joe Bondi and all of the people that are criming in this administration and that are violating the laws in our Constitution. So they are scared. So they're doing anything they can. They've already sort of sampled the way it looks when you seize ballots. That's what they did in Georgia. Yeah, I guess that's part of the plan is that they don't like the results of the election. They'll just seize the ballots. They've already said, Steve Bannon said they're going to use ICE to intimidate voters on the rolls to, you know, they, they're going to claim that half the people in line that are black or brown are probably undocumented, shouldn't be voting, drag them out of line. They're going to use physical intimidation, all kinds of intimidation. I mean, it is not good. We're. It's like we're voting in Russia.
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That is what is so amazing about all this. Why is the Democratic response not stronger? I mean, really, it. They have to know how dire this situation is. And if I have to hear another strongly worded letter or, you know, a mean tweet from Democratic leadership, I might lose my mind.
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You know what? We need to get a psychiatrist in here or a psychologist to come and explain these people. I don't get it. It's like, I don't know what other way they have to tell you that they are fascists? I'm not sure. What do they. Do they have to put on little small mustaches? Do they need to actually wear the mustaches for you to see what they are? They have told you, hey, we're fascist guys. They're not even hiding it. They're like, we got secret police. We got secret police. We're stealing y' all ballots. We sent the lady who's supposed to be in charge of national security to watch them steal your ballots in Georgia. What is it that they need to do? I mean, ICE is the secret police. We've got concentration camps.
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Yes.
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They're not hiding them. They're right there in multiple states.
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They're selling merch.
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They're selling merch for the concentration camps. I don't know what you need to hear, but the Democratic Party, for whatever reason, just wants to say that this is normal politics and we're going to win and it's going to be fine. Well, what's going to change? I mean, that's what I want to know from the Democratic leadership. What will change if you guys are in charge? We need to know materially, we know what changed when Mom, Donnie got in charge in New York.
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Right.
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And just saying the words affordability over and over again, that's not change.
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No, it's not. And the actions and the words that are coming out of Democratic leadership. I mean, like, I have been very disappointed in, when you go back to the Oversight Committee, the difference in Jerry o' Connell being appointed because it was seniority and it was his turn, and then, you know, unfortunately, he died. But then they get Robert Garcia as the ranking member, and it has been gangbusters. In your face. That's what I want my leaders to look like. That's. That's the fight that I want. Okay, we don't have much time left, so I just have to ask you, you're a very serious journalist, so I have to ask you, before I let you go, how'd you like the Melania movie?
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Listen. No, let me tell you, this is real talk. So my friend Chris Witherspoon, if you guys are not downloaded pop viewers, you should download pop viewers. He's my good buddy formerly of the Griot. So we have decided what we're going to do. We're going to try to find a theater where that movie is showing, but we need it to be one where you can drink because we're about to get tall and watch that hot, smoky mess. I think it's made like 12, $15 million. That costs $40 million to make. And they made 15. And they're. And you know, on CNN, they're like, well, you know, it's a smashing success. Is it though? Because I think the Taylor Swift movie made like $73 million.
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Jeff Bezos came out because they're like, you know, it's nowhere near Gonna Gross the 40 million to make it 35 million to promote it. He's like, oh, well, it'll make up foreign streaming. I'm like, jeff. Jeff Bezos doesn't give a shit because it was the bribe. It's a bribe administration.
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Melania was like, I need money now. Give money now. Put money in bag. Put money in bag. All right, divorce. That's it. They were like, here's the deal.
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I would go see a movie where she talked about being introduced to Donald Trump by Jeffrey Epstein. I'm all in. I would pay good money for it. I don't want this bullshit that she is so great. I don't even know what her positions are other than be best in the first term when her husband was the biggest online bully in the history of the world.
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And why did they have to get a Epstein soaked sex pest to direct it?
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Exactly. And I read Joy that they told her, like, he went to her and said, I've got some baggage on this and I've been accused of this stuff. And she was like, yeah, it's good.
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It's fine. Give money. Put money in bag. If you put money in bag, all I care, Bunny bag. Be best. And I love about be Best. The best is that she's so. She's supposed to have a genius visa, right? There's the genius visa lady.
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Right?
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She got it because she was stealing Michelle Obama's Be Better. And she's like, what? Better than better? Best. Be best. It's not even English. Seven languages. Isn't one of them English? Could one of them be English today?
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Melania, I'm calling bullshit on the seven languages.
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She don't speak. She don't speak English.
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That's one, maybe 30 years if he's
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been here 30 years at least.
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I mean, probably more. All right, Joy. Thank you. You're. You are Joy. That's why I'm glad your name is Joy, because you bring joy. Tell everybody where they can find you.
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Thank you. Pumps. You can find me at thejoyreadshow.com or@joann reid.com either way, it's okay. Just come along and hang out.
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Thank you, Joy. Talk soon.
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Thank you. Bye. It.