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Foreign. We're no longer dealing with fissures and the MAGA movement. We're dealing with full blown cracks. I'm talking earthquake tectonic shifts in the MAGA base and in the MAGA movement. What happens when you have a strong man? He has to promote this toxic masculinity and it keeps the cult of personality, personality in place. This strong man is 95 years old, has cankles. I mean we're talking, talking probably 12, 15 inch in circumference. He is caking on foundation on his hand to hide the bruising because he's so incredibly frail. He is falling asleep and showing indications of a stroke. Lips like this, biology is catching up to him. And the it's physically showing and believe it or not, as pumps and I pointed out, the makeup actually makes him look better. As shittily as it is applied, it is an improvement because if he did not dye his hair orange or put on the orange makeup, you guys, he looks about his age, which is obviously, you know, right at about around give or take a few years, 100. And so we're seeing the die hard triple Trumper Trump apologists, they're all going bananas. And Tucker Carlson, he's going to drop this later today, is calling bullshit on the assassination attempt. Tucker Carlson to his millions of followers says, the FBI told us that Thomas Crooks tried to kill Donald Trump summer but somehow had no online footprint. The FBI lied and we can prove it because we have his posts. The question is why? Story tomorrow. So he posted this yesterday, Tucker, and this is pretty stunning that a triple Trumper, you know, die hard conservative and he has been separating and separating and separating himself from kanks ever since the physical frailty of the senior citizen dementia ridden president that we have. He sees it. You can't. This man doesn't emit strength, so to say pumps that he's calling on the assassination from inside the Death Star. Pretty wild.
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Well, and you look at it and you think, okay, this guy says he got shot in the ear, but yet there's zero physical presence and everybody wears a maxi pad on their ear proudly there. It just. I'm not a conspiracy theory theorist, but there are a lot of questions I have about that. And then you look at all the other shit Trump lies about in the branding and how he twists the truth and makes himself look better and you think, could it have happened that the one sharpshooter post that the guy was supposed to be at, nobody swept that area. Like there's just a lot of questions that leads Me into the Charlie Kirk murderer. Like you go on and on with all these.
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Well, yeah, I want to, I want to say, you know, we, I don't know, you know, I don't want to lean into right wing conspiracy theories, but I do want to say that I believe that the, this would have been Biden's FBI when Trump was attempted. So I want to be clear on, on that. I do think a couple of things are odd. That he's Trump who famously sues everybody and Trump who is the biggest grudge holder on the planet, has never really ever mentioned this kid ever. And that's kind of interesting to me. But we'll let Tucker ride this conspiracy theory because that's their brand. That is not our brand. And what I think's interesting about it though is that these calls are coming from inside the house that people within the MAGA movement are starting to call this out. Now I think an extraordinary claim requires extraordinary evidence and I refuse to jump on some conspiracy theory. Do I think Trump is diabolical enough to do really, really crazy shit 1 million percent? I do. But I'll leave all of this conspiracy theory stuff to the Candace Owens, the Tucker Carlson's, etc. But moving along Ben Shapiro, is he right wing? Jewish people are having a, a problem right now because they went to seek refuge in Maga. And in Maga, I guess they didn't see January 6th, the Nazi flags in the state Capitol, the person who was pardoned by Donald Trump that wore a Camp Auschwitz T shirt, the Nazi symbolism and flags all through the proud boys. White supremacist Jews will not replace us. So in interesting, weird power play, they went to seek refuge with the party in their tent that keeps room for Nazis. And they're having a hard time because the Nazis are more emboldened now and they're real loud and proud about it. You have Tucker Carlson who is very critical of Israel, which Israel deserves a shit ton of criticism. But Tucker platforms neo Nazi Nick Fuentes. And so basically there's a signaling within the Death Star that hating Jews is okay. And so the Ben Shapiro are having, they're a little, they don't have a home right now because they prioritize antisemitism above all other forms of isms, racism, sexism, anti immigrant bigotry, et cetera, et cetera. They think theirs is the creme de la creme instead of attaching them all on the same plane field and connecting them all. So here's Ben Shapiro talking about Marjorie Taylor Green and others. And I guess he in his right wing Judaism, I guess it's something that white evangelicals have in common and right wing people that practice Judaism have in common that they're fine defending pedophiles. So go ahead and play this clip.
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Yesterday, after the House of Representatives reopened, Representative Adelita Grijova of Arizona became the 218th and final signature on the discharge petition. She joined all the other Democrats, as well as four Republicans, including two who hate President Trump and would like to destroy his presidency. That'd be Thomas Massie and Marjorie Taylor Greene, as well as Lauren Boebert and Nancy Mays.
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Okay, pumps.
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Okay. I look at this and I think, according to Ben Shapiro, Marjorie Taylor Greene should side with pedophiles because Trump's bad behavior. Everyone in the Republican Party is disloyal if they think that pedophilia is bad because when Trump does it, it's different. And to me, that is disgusting. And I just want to remind Ben Shapiro, not only is Tucker Carlson all in with Nick Fuentes, Nick Fuentes had dinner on the patio with Kanye west and Donald Trump at mar a Lago. 99.9% of the population can't get into Mar a Lago. Nick Fuentes did so. Ben, I do not feel sorry for you in this moment. I am sorry that you have no home, but you have created that because you've gone to find refuge in racists. It's unbelievable.
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It's really this thing with the far right Jewish people that have found solace in maga. As a person who was never indoctrinated in religion, I see a link when I speak to evangelicals. You can have a rational, rational, rational, rational, rational. And then the age of the earth could come up. And this person who's a deep thinker, educated, I'll say, well, do you think that you don't think the earth is 6,000 years old, do you? And the person will say, well, yeah, that's what the Bible says. And I'm like, what in the actual. And the same thing with these far right Jewish people. Like, there's this, there's this link between Christian narcissists and Jewish narcissists where they think they're correct and their faith is correct and that they're paramount to all other people. And it is such a fool's errand. And it's a dangerous place because you have them screaming, screaming, screaming anti Semitism. And then you have a fascist regime that makes room in their tent for Nazis using anti Semitism to go into universities to censor education. Which then incubates fascist Nazis. If you suppress speech, if you censor speech, that is something that's going to further incubate the one thing you're trying to annihilate. So I think the lesson that I see as somebody who's never been indoctrinated in this is a lot of narcissism surrounding somebody's religion. I see this a lot in evangelical Christians, and I see it a lot in Zionists. It is this real narcissistic, exclusive worldview where they don't make space for other people's rights, for other people's humanities, and they prioritize theirs over everybody else's. And when you do that, you're just as big a bigot as the people you're accused of being bigots, in my opinion. Okay, Moving along with this going on, okay, we have Megyn Kelly, you know, splitting hairs over the age of consent, who's a pedophile and who isn't. We have Tucker Carlson platforming, Nick Fuentes, we have the Heritage foundation, okay? This merger, we have the Nazis, who, from my vantage point, I'm sure from Pump's vantage point, since 2020, since 2016, I've clearly seen their affiliation and support of the President and the president's overt support back to them. And so you have the far right Jews kind of confused as to. Wait, why are they dicking us over right now? Well, all. And then the frailty of kanks. And so here's the result. We have kinks. I mean, face planning in the polls. I mean, like you wouldn't believe. So a new poll shows only 33% of Americans approve of the way Trump is managing the government. Those numbers driven in part by a steady drop in approval among Republicans, down 13 points since March. So, Pumps and Kylie, take a Look at this. U.S. adults, everybody pulled 33% approval rating Republicans in March. You guys, he had an 81% approval rating. Now 68%. This is massive because the people that triple trumped that in March after they saw from January to March, think about all the. We saw. It was a lot. That's the Doge days. That's just, you know, that was complete thumbing your nose at coequal branch branches of government, getting congressional support, all of these things. 81%. Now he's down to 68% Republican support, only 25% independent. So he's minus 13 with Republicans, minus 13 with independence, minus 10, all of them. And this is before the full FBI shit's released.
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Well, here's the thing. He's underwater on everything because he governs terribly. He bankrupts casinos, he, his business as they're convicted of all kinds of crimes, corruption, because he cannot manage people. And I look at that and I think 68% seems high. I just, the through line to that is the Christians and racism. That's what I see. But one cannot govern when the majority of the population is against you and does not believe in the government. And you look at that and it's really, it's not just, you know, we've got the Epstein files waiting to bomb. You've got the economy that is tanking. Farmers who were a big voting bloc for him are losing their farms and he's sitting there telling you prices are down. I mean, everything's going down. No, it's not. And people understand that. So I have a hard time with these people that still believe they're like, well, Trump says the price of gas is down, so it must be down somewhere. It's like, use your brain, believe your eyes. But that is what Trump has been so adept at is getting people to believe him and not what's actually happening in reality. And that to me, even the fact that it's still 33% is mind boggling to me.
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I completely agree. And here's a video that supports everything that you just said. That they think they can just control the narrative, cook the books, manufacture reports, manufacture evidence, make shit up and the rule of law is completely evaporating before our eyes. Any sort of economic accountability is completely evaporating before our eyes. And Moses Mike Johnson literally neutered himself, gave his balls to Donald Trump and said, hey, now there's only two branches of government. And we all know John Roberts has basically done given him, given Trump one nut, it'll, you know, only a matter of time till he hands over the other. Here's Kevin Hassert talking about the job report numbers for October. Play the clip.
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Old survey wasn't conducted in October, so we're going to get half the employment report. We'll get the jobs part, but we won't get the unemployment rate and that'll just be for one month. But yeah, it is true that we probably will, will never will be, maybe be able to concoct something that will never actually know for sure what the unemployment rate was.
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October. So we'll be able to concoct something, but we'll never know the numbers for sure for October. Well, what we know is the, the numbers for October have to be devastating. What we know from Megan Kelly all of a sudden making space that a 15 year old is okay and not quite pedophilia is do they have evidence of Trump with a 15 year old? Is that what we need to prepare point prepare for. The stock market, which is the only metric in which Trump looks to the economy is starting to show signs of this. Further, the stock market is being propped up right now by about eight different companies that are trading billions slash trillions of dollars back and forth all centered around an AI bubble. I'm not an economist, but I've read into this and it's very similar to the mortgage bubble that we experienced in 2008. And really expert economists whose articles I've read predict that style of meltdown in the economy. And so what he's trying to do, Kevin Hassert and Kanks and his administration is cook the books. And when you do that, you don't have a stable economy. You have an economy like that of Russia and other banana republics. So time and time again we see that this administration, number one, does not care about the rule of law. Number two, doesn't care about the economy. They care about enriching themselves and their families. They don't care about working class people. They see working class people as collectively, oh, we can suck off of their work. They can fund infrastructure, they can fund the bare minimum of the government. We get to keep all of our billions. The stat that I saw that is just so mind boggling pumps is that I think it's a few billionaires in the United States since his election have enriched themselves by $700 billion in 10 months.
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Oh, I believe it. Donald Trump himself is being enriched like a billion dollars a month. Here's the thing. When you look at how Trump is enriching himself, it's with foreign investments in his like bitcoin and cryptocurrency, whatever. All the, in all the crazy coming from foreign investors. So tanking the US Economy doesn't really matter. He didn't really care about that because he himself is making a ton of money, I. E. I will sue the Supreme Court not to feed children while having brass 3D, the President's hall of Fame or whatever and gold plate the Oval Office because I don't give a fuck and I'm going to throw it in your face, I don't give a fuck because I myself and Demon Demer are being enriched. Not to mention what's going on with Jared Kushner. I can't even imagine how that's going.
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Well, I mean we already know the Saudis gave him $2 billion right. And we see that this contradiction that we observe in these religious people seeking power, whether it be white Christian nationalists seeking power or far right Jewish people seeking power, the one thing they have in common is moral rot. The ability to dehumanize large groups of people and the ability to be bought and think, well, we're making business and we're going to make Gaza, you know, like south beach. And we're, you know, just, just. They all think they're 10 foot tall and bulletproof, but use their religion as moral cover. And in the instance of Ben Shapiro, you know, he uses his Jewishness to act like he is a marginalized person, but he joins the white supremacists to try to make his case. He joins the bigots. And so it's just, it's a really fascinating time. And I think that the only message I'm really interested in hearing from any politician right now is we will not be bought by any of them. Apac, any corporation, none of it. We don't trust any of them. If you could see in industry titans right now, stand up for America and stand up for the Constitution, it would be different, but they have bent over for this guy. It's wild. All right, that's all we have for this episode. Please, like subscribe. Buy our book. It's a great way to support pumps and me. It's linked right below in the show notes. We'll be back later with more news.
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Episode: Trump Betrayed By MAGA As They Turn On Him Over Epstein Bombshell
Hosts: Jennifer Welch & Angie “Pumps” Sullivan
Date: November 14, 2025
Jennifer Welch and Angie “Pumps” Sullivan offer a fiercely progressive, satirical take on seismic shifts brewing inside the MAGA movement. This episode focuses on the growing cracks in Trump’s loyalist base following new accusations and bombshell revelations related to Jeffrey Epstein, infighting, and plummeting poll numbers. The conversation traverses conspiracy theories, antisemitism, media complicity, economic fears, and Trump’s personal and political unraveling—all with biting humor and critical insight.
"The strong man is 95 years old, has cankles… caking on foundation on his hand to hide the bruising… he is falling asleep and showing indications of a stroke… biology is catching up to him." (00:16)
“Tucker Carlson to his millions of followers says, the FBI told us that Thomas Crooks tried to kill Donald Trump... The FBI lied and we can prove it because we have his posts.” (01:27)
“He has been separating and separating... since the physical frailty of the senior citizen dementia ridden president that we have. He sees it.” (01:56)
"This guy says he got shot in the ear, but yet there's zero physical presence and everybody wears a maxi pad on their ear..." (02:22) “I'm not a conspiracy theory theorist, but there are a lot of questions I have about that.” (02:28)
"Jewish people are having a problem... they went to seek refuge with the party in their tent that keeps room for Nazis. And they're having a hard time because the Nazis are more emboldened now and they're real loud and proud about it." (03:33)
"According to Ben Shapiro, Marjorie Taylor Greene should side with pedophiles because Trump's bad behavior... To me, that is disgusting." (06:44) "Nick Fuentes had dinner on the patio with Kanye west and Donald Trump at mar a Lago... Ben, I do not feel sorry for you in this moment..." (07:03)
"This link between Christian narcissists and Jewish narcissists... this real narcissistic, exclusive worldview where they don't make space for other people's rights..." (08:03)
"He's underwater on everything because he governs terribly... bankrupts casinos... cannot manage people... even the fact that it's still 33% is mind boggling to me." (11:59)
Kevin Hassett: “We’ll be able to concoct something, but we’ll never know the numbers for sure for October.” (14:27)
"You don't have a stable economy. You have an economy like that of Russia..." (15:08)
“Donald Trump himself is being enriched like a billion dollars a month... he didn’t really care about [tanking the US economy] because he himself is making a ton of money…” (16:35)
“If you could see in industry titans right now, stand up for America and stand up for the Constitution, it would be different, but they have bent over for this guy. It’s wild.” (18:49)
The hosts maintain a punchy, sarcastic, and unapologetically progressive tone throughout, blending pointed criticism with audacious humor. They pull no punches, especially regarding religious hypocrisy, racism, media manipulation, and Trump’s personal character.
For listeners looking for incisive, irreverent analysis of right-wing politics and MAGA meltdown, this episode is both entertaining and deeply critical.