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Krystal Ball
Foreign.
Donald Trump is caught on a hot mic saying he's losing. He knows it. They all know it. Which tells you all of this toxic masculinity. And I'm a big boy. All this bluster is propaganda BS to try to give the impression that they are somehow popular. But this is very interesting. He is saying here, he admits he's losing, that the Democrats are gaining steam. Play this hot mic moment.
Saagar Enjeti
You know, I cannot appoint at the time. I can't appoint anybody. Everybody I'm appointed to see, time is expired. And then they're in the fall.
Krystal Ball
At the end of that, he says, and then we're losing. And so, okay, a few things. Number one, just from an interior design perspective, as the camera panned through all of the narcissistic white trash. Let me show you one here. There's this painting right there. Stop, pause right there. Of him, which was a meme of him in a dark coat with the American flag and an inferno behind him, and him walking away from burning down the United States of America. I thought that was just an Internet meme. This mfer has had it. He has hired somebody to paint this for him. He has commissioned this meme, and he has it hanging in the White House. Also, I want to note it's hung too high. It needs to be brought down to eye level. But that's neither here nor there. But if you continue, Kylie, go back this. If you continue along, it's all of this, you know, Korean stuff. Look at this. It's just all pictures of him. All of it. I mean, I just. Okay, so that's one thing. I mean, that's just, you know, sometimes it's easier to. About that stuff because it's so tangible than the. The psychological collapse and moral collapse of the United States. But that tells you guys, you know, we always pontificate. Hamza will say, do you think he knows? Or do you know, do you think they keep him in a bubble? He knows more than he lets on. And that whole strength shtick that he does is starting to get really old because the data in people's electric bills and their grocery bills are not matching up with that macho. I'm a tough guy. I have a big penis. That they all try to project out, don't you think? Pumps. Hey, like, he knows.
Pooja Dhupelia
I think that. I think he knows. I'm surprised he knows as much as he does because of the dementia. But then I go back to what said, you know, authoritarians have to protect strength at all times. And I think that it's Interesting. He's so fixated on his US Attorneys because he wants his US Attorneys to be loyalists so they will file malicious prosecution and they will go after his political enemies. And let me.
Krystal Ball
This pumps will that. Is this something that could help him rig the midterm elections, these U. S. Attorneys, or that's more state attorney general, Correct?
Pooja Dhupelia
That is more state attorney general in terms of the vote counting and the collection of data.
Krystal Ball
But these U. S. Attorneys are the ones like that he can get to file charges against his enemies.
Pooja Dhupelia
Right, Like Lindsey Halligan. And we know, and she's done such a great job, but bang up, bang up. But you know, you have Elena Hobbit who finally left office yesterday, and she acted like. She and Pam Bondi both acted like it was activist judges, bitches. It is the law. If you are attorneys, you have to have respect for the law, but none of these people do.
Michael Brooks
And Trump has been able to find.
Pooja Dhupelia
The biggest bottom feeders that will do whatever he wants. And, and like you always say one person is crazy, but we're talking about people, every single person in the stop the steel lie of 2020. They've all lost their bar licenses. And that that's the way this thing's going to head, too, if we ever get out from under it.
Krystal Ball
Okay, now we're going to switch gears to Caroline Levitt. So Caroline Levitt, as we all know, is just an insufferable twat, all right? And I can say a lot of deep stuff below that, but she's not a deep person. She's not a serious person. She's an unserious person with a very serious job. The only comment you can say about this woman is she's an insufferable, miserable twat. To try to intellectualize it or be smart about it. It is an insult to intelligence. It's an insult to reality. So she has a brother that has a baby mama. And this baby mama is not American. And it sounds like. And pumps. I wanted to get your take on this. The brother is mad at the baby mama. And I'm just reading between the tea leaves here that he calls psycho Nazi sister and says I need the baby mama deported. Put this up. Caroline Levitt's brother had a child with a woman from Brazil. Levitt was the child's godmother. Now she's being deported. The White House is saying she has a criminal record but has presented no evidence of this. The brother says he never lived with the woman, but this is refuted by public evidence. The woman claims Levitt's brother used to threaten her with deportation. He denies that he had anything to do with this. What can you say? These are bad people, and it's incumbent upon good people to fight so they have as little power as possible. So basically, what I'm seeing here is genetically, Caroline Levitt's brother is probably also an insufferable twat. All right? They share the insufferable twat gene. And he has this Brazilian baby mama that now he is using because Caroline Levitt is so corrupt. All he has to do is make a phone call to his.
Racist sister, and she just has to pick up the phone and call home in or, you know, one of these just complete freaks, and they'll deport her. And that's just. This is just one story of thousands upon thousands. But the corruption level in all of this, this right here, anybody else would be fired from their job immediately, even at the suggestion they would be put on probation until a full and thorough investigation into the matter has taken place. None of that happens anymore.
Pooja Dhupelia
I guarantee you. When she. First of all, I just want to take a victory lap. From the first minute this story came out, I thought, she's in on it. She's 100 in on it. They weren't married. He's having buyer's remorse. He had a baby with her. How can I get rid of her and keep the kid? And zero responsibility to share the child with the mother. Oh, I know. All deport him.
Michael Brooks
And here's the thing.
Pooja Dhupelia
In this administration where normal administrations, this person would be fired. In this administration, it was high fives across the board. Look, you got what you wanted. And what is lost in all this is the child. This child's mother is being deported. This child will not have a mother and will be raised by. By what is obviously a racist family.
Michael Brooks
And no.
Pooja Dhupelia
And that is happening to thousands upon thousands of children in this country. Trauma, generational trauma is being inflicted upon these people. And nobody gives a fuck, Nobody gives a shit about the kids. You want your kid to sit and represent themselves at 5 years old at an immigration hearing? We're doing it. I mean, these people do not give a shit about kids. And I expected nothing less from the Levitt family.
Krystal Ball
Okay, moving along, we have Elon Musk, and we talked about this extensively yesterday, but I want to continue to highlight this. Elon Musk is a South African immigrant who has come over to the United States and received a ton of government subsidies assist from the Obama administration, the Trump administration, the Biden administration, etc, both Republican and Democratic corporate parties. Created Elon Musk. The blame for this man is the system, and both political parties participated in it. So he bought Twitter with all of our taxpayer money and he rigged algorithms. And all of his messaging aligns unsurprisingly, right there with Vladimir Putin's. And now he's laser focused on. On the European Union. He's moved on to from the United States because he's broken it. He's. We're already broken. Right, you guys, this, this to me is a victory lap. And it tells me that the work they've done in dismantling the United States federal government, they feel successful because now he's moved on to the eu. Pop this up. So we have Elon Musk responding to SMX on Twitter around, find out. Elon Musk is now calling for the abolition of the eu. The EU should be abolished and sovereignty returned to individual countries so that governments can better represent their people. And Elon Musk responds and says, I mean it, I'm not kidding. And Micah responds to all of this and says, the EU has fined the richest man in the world. The richest man in the world mobilizes his wealth to destroy the eu. This is why the concentration of wealth is so dangerous. A handful of billionaires should not decide our collective future. Blah, blah. So I, I want to impress upon you all how significant I think these moves are. He broke the United States. Kangas gave him doge. He went in, shut down all of the investigations into him and or his companies. He avoided jail time, criminal prosecutions, massive civil fines, and he and Trump had a little bit of a breakup. They have mutually assured destruction, but, you know, you can tell they're not going to take it any further to take each other down, right? Then he moves on to the uk and he's been involved in a bunch of UK politics. Now he's moved on to the eu, which tells me, to an extent, the oligarchs are pretty satisfied with how much they've infiltrated these agencies in the United States government. And that is terrifying to me that he has now moved on to the EU and the arrogance and the hubris of these billionaires to think this guy's from South Africa. He's already come over to the United States and told us what he thinks we should do with everything and that he thinks he's right and that he thinks he's so smart. He's done it to the uk, now he's doing it to the eu because he wants to be able to control the narrative. He's not a free Speech absolutist. He is a cherry pick. I want to deliver the most evil. Constantly giving Grok a Lebanon lobotomy to say that he's more. This is a real thing. Grok said that Elon Musk was more athletic than LeBron James. Okay, so this is a guy who's all about AI and all of this, but he is an untreated drug addict.
Wildly insecure. In my opinion, he's not that smart. He's opportunistic. And his impulses about how to be an opportunistic I think are probably pretty good the way he's played the United States government, the voter. But this is just to me, the fact that he's already moving on to the EU at the same time that the United States government is capitulating to Putin's talking points tells me they, they feel like they've done the damage to the United States and now they're moving on to other democracies. And that's terrifying to me.
Pooja Dhupelia
Yeah, it feels like a check mark. But then I look at it. Why wouldn't they feel that way? We've got the Ellison family has Tik Tok. They're getting ready to have Warner Brothers, Paramount, cbs, cnn. So the state run media and social media is coming into place. We've got neutered Mark Zuckerberg over at Threads and Instagram. So why wouldn't they feel like it's done? The United States is tearing itself apart. The Supreme Court is going to grant Donald Trump more power than he has now and take it away from Congress, who's already said you do whatever the you want want.
Michael Brooks
It's unbelievable, the collapse and we have.
Pooja Dhupelia
Not even had Donald Trump for one year. But no Elon Musk.
Michael Brooks
And here's the deal, at the end.
Pooja Dhupelia
Of the day, when you look under the the hood of all Elon Musk.
Michael Brooks
Stuff, he is a racist mother fucker, full stop.
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Krystal Ball
Okay, moving along. Gavin Newsom, you know, he is. There's this whole thing where I think probably a lot of Democrats feel this on the one token, I appreciate Gavin Newsom very much that he's actually fighting Trump every day and he's calling out just layup after layup of stupid mistake that Trump makes and how insecure and ridiculous they are and he just absolutely mops the floor with them. Kudos to Gavin. Love that won a fighter. On the other hand, as I play the long term game with Gavin and I see why the Democrats lost in 16 and 24, I see this centrist Democratic mold as being Republican light. And Gavin Newsom has an opportunity between now and 28, if we make it that far, to really start cleaning some stuff up. And he misstepped a couple of months ago regarding a pack. Had a really weird answer where he was like interesting, interesting, interesting. And I mean he just to me, he fumbled the bag. A couple of weeks ago, he had massive fumble where he said he was adamantly against taxing billionaires. We have like an 80% majority in the United States of America to tax billionaires 80%. Gavin Newsom is taking the 20% position. So here's the thing. We have the politicians that we have and to really want to run for high office.
Takes something that a lot of people just don't have in them. So we need to allow the people that are in these positions to cle up their messes and become better candidates. And Gavin Newsom has done this with apac. Play the clip.
Saagar Enjeti
Little bit ago you did an interview higher learning and the question of. Well, the question of APAC came up.
Gavin Newsom
Oh yeah.
Saagar Enjeti
And it wasn't really necessarily a question of apac.
Gavin Newsom
It was just a random and thought about it, which I've never received any money from apac. It was sort of curious, kind of.
Saagar Enjeti
Raised apac, dmfi, the Israel Lobby at large. This has become a big conversation. Someone like myself and I think at this point a broad majority of Democrats are saying we don't want candidates who are taking money from a pack. We don't want candidates who are beholden to the Israel Lobby. When you look at what you were able to accomplish with the groundswell of support financially from people who said, I want to back this, I want to back fighters, I want to back people who are independent of an establishment. How do you think about AIPAC now? And maybe someone like Seth Moulton who said, I want to return this money. I'm not taking it anymore. How do you think that AIPAC should be involved or shouldn't be involved?
Gavin Newsom
Never been involved with me. I've never received a dollar from them in my entire political career. So that, that's sort of absolute. So I've had opinion on that going back decades.
Saagar Enjeti
Now, when you're thinking about your future and maybe the possibility of that becoming.
Gavin Newsom
A page, that piece of real estate, is there an age limit on becoming a page?
Saagar Enjeti
Is that. Is that the job that you might be?
Gavin Newsom
I don't know. You've got a lot of resume. I got to consider.
Krystal Ball
All right, this is enough. So here's what I want to say as we move forward. And.
Th. These are the things I think the Democratic Party needs to be focused on. A commitment by our candidates to be fierce, to fight and to not be puss boys about getting back, getting power back and playing the game that they play going in. Holding the Supreme Court accountable, charging every single person in the Trump cabinet with crimes in the most rapid possible way imaginable all through the court system, and so on and so on and so forth. We need to make sure that our candidates are not taking money from aipac because taking money from AIPAC is the weakest move imaginable. Because all you're doing is admitting to be. I will be. Hey, I will let you control me. I'm the controlled opposition. It is the weakest imaginable position that any Democrat can take. And then lastly, the last thing that Gavin Newsom has to clean up is this taxing billionaires thing because it's giving corporate dim. And the anti billionaire sentiment right now is just such a majority issue in the country, both with MAGA and Democrats. And so I want whoever is the Democratic nominee, I want them to win. And not just kind of win. I want them to dunk left, right, center. I want it to be RIP city. I mean, I want somebody who will fight like bloody hell. All gas, no breaks. I love beating Republicans. I love it because goodness prevails. And so my hope is for Gavin Newsom. He's pulling the best. He polls well with a lot of different segments of our party. Is that he can clean up this corporate overflow that he has because the base has moved much faster than the establishment has. The base has already rapidly gone from center left to populist, completely populist. And the establishment is having a hard time catching up at the base. So I was pleased to see this Apex sitch here. I'm hopeful that he can continue to clean up other things. But I also am all in for a really robust, messy Democratic primary. I'm here for it. I want to see it. I want to see what messages stick and who rises here. But I just thought that was pretty promising to see that APAC pushback.
Pooja Dhupelia
Well, I mean, finally we're starting to see some But I think the beat, the drum beat is so loud from the bass regarding this. But you know Gavin Newsom. Take a look at how Zora Momdami did it on get on taxing the billionaires. Everything seems to be fine now. They all want to be BF's with them. So the billionaire situation, he has to evolve on that too. But I'm. I'm with you. We need to give our leaders space to evolve.
Krystal Ball
I think that's all we have for this episode. Like subscribe Comment we'll be back later with more news.
Episode Title: Trump Caught On Hot Mic, He Admits That MAGA Is Finished?
Release Date: December 9, 2025
Hosts: Jennifer Welch & Angie “Pumps” Sullivan
Featuring: Krystal Ball, Pooja Dhupelia, Michael Brooks, Saagar Enjeti
In this episode, the hosts and contributors dive into major stories highlighting the unraveling of the Trump MAGA narrative, the growing boldness of billionaires like Elon Musk, and the pressures on Democratic leadership as the American political landscape shifts. Through humor, candor, and pointed critiques, they discuss new revelations and political dynamics that shape the nation’s future.
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| Timestamp | Speaker | Quote | |-----------|--------------------|----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| | 00:05 | Krystal Ball | "All this bluster is propaganda BS… But this is very interesting. He is saying here, he admits he’s losing…" | | 01:52 | Krystal Ball | "That whole strength shtick he does is starting to get really old... I have a big penis — that they all try to project out." | | 02:47 | Pooja Dhupelia | "He wants his US Attorneys to be loyalists so they will file malicious prosecution and go after his political enemies." | | 03:58 | Pooja Dhupelia | "Every single person in the stop the steal lie of 2020. They’ve all lost their bar licenses." | | 04:20 | Krystal Ball | "Caroline Levitt, as we all know, is just an insufferable twat… she’s not a serious person." | | 07:50 | Pooja Dhupelia | "Trauma, generational trauma is being inflicted upon these people. And nobody gives a fuck, nobody gives a shit about the kids." | | 08:19 | Krystal Ball | "He bought Twitter with all our taxpayer money and he rigged algorithms… All of his messaging aligns right there with Vladimir Putin’s." | | 11:00 | Krystal Ball | "This is why the concentration of wealth is so dangerous. A handful of billionaires should not decide our collective future." | | 12:00 | Krystal Ball | "He’s already moving on to the EU at the same time that the United States government is capitulating to Putin’s talking points. That’s terrifying to me." | | 13:26 | Michael Brooks | "He is a racist mother fucker, full stop." | | 14:49 | Krystal Ball | "I see this centrist Democratic mold as being Republican light… Gavin Newsom has an opportunity… to really start cleaning some stuff up." | | 17:29 | Gavin Newsom | "Never been involved with me. I’ve never received a dollar from them in my entire political career. So that’s sort of absolute." | | 17:58 | Krystal Ball | "We need to make sure our candidates are not taking money from AIPAC… the weakest imaginable position…"| | 18:38 | Krystal Ball | "I want whoever is the Democratic nominee, I want them to win. And not just kind of win. I want them to dunk left, right, center. I want it to be RIP city."|
Brash, sharp-witted, unapologetically progressive—with a comedic, conversational energy. The hosts and contributors blend political critique with humor and righteous indignation, making the complex digestible and infusing the show with personality and urgency.
Episode delivers a pointed, passionate critique of today’s political power players, revealing the cracks in both MAGA and mainstream Democratic strategies, exposing elite manipulation, and calling for a progressive, fighting spirit as America heads into an uncertain political future.