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Progressive Political Commentator
Foreign is descending into complete psychosis. It is unbelievable, you guys, that all of the projection that they are putting onto the left, all of the lying and the gaslighting because we're not responding the way they want us to. We are horrified and traumatized by the murder and cold blood of Charlie Kirk, while at the same time, I refuse to. To sit around and make him into being something he wasn't. This man was an unrepentant, unapologetic racist. And why are they doing all of this stuff? Why are they acting so insane? Well, it's because their cult leader Kanks knows that they're not smart. Play the clip. People don't like me, you know, and they don't like what we talk about. They're so stupid. He just insulted everybody in that room and they died laughing. And this is true. He. He polls and votes. He polls very well with the poorly educated. And this is a huge problem when we can't look at the facts of what is happening here. And I'm just going to tell you guys right here, right Now, I trust 0% of the information coming out of cash money to ching ching FBI. I mean, this is a joke. Pop this up, Kylie. So Fox News reported Charlie Kirk's alleged assassin lived with transgender partner who is pro cooperating with FBI officials. And then the FBI director retweets this. Mehdi Hassan notes. Totally normal thing for the FBI director to tweet out a screenshot to a Fox story quoting FBI sources. Wonder who instead of putting out an official statement of his own on the current status of the investigation into Kirk's killing. So let's review here. They started out immediately before this guy's dad, the shooter's dad, turned him in. Immediately they started this is left wing violence, the left winger murders. Then they were like. And probably trans. And then they're like, oh, the bullets are trans. And now they're like, oh, the roommate's trans. But the roommate's fully cooperating. But the shooter isn't cooperating. This is complete insanity. The majority, by the data, by FBI agents that aren't beholden and blindly obedient to the cult leader Trump. 75% or more of most of this domestic terrorism and violence comes from the right. And I'm not going to be lectured by right wingers that have celebrated January 6th as though it's the 4th of July when cops were beat up and killed and they broke into the Capitol. Do not lecture us on political violence. It is insanity.
Liberal Political Analyst
What drives me crazy is when I hear people on the right say, well, people need to tone down the rhetoric. The rhetoric is the problem. The problem is the president of the United States is the chief rhetoric officer. When they say, well, you shouldn't call Donald Trump a fascist. He calls everybody a fascist. Kamala Harris, he's the one that talks about firing squads for Liz Cheney.
Progressive Political Commentator
Let me just say this. His own vice president who engages in gender ambiguity is a failed drag queen who called kanks Hitler.
Liberal Political Analyst
Yes.
Progressive Political Commentator
So come on. All right, but here's. Here's the problem with the right. Laura Loomer has slept on it, and now she's all in with the dictatorship. Put up the tweet. I was thinking about this over the last few nights while I couldn't sleep. I have to say, I do want President Trump to be a dictator. The left thinks he is. And I want the right to be as devoted to locking up and silencing our violent political enemies as they pretend we are. You guys, they are using this horrific murder of Charlie Kirk to use to erode civil rights, period. You have so many examples of, like Governor Abbott saying, I'm a free speech absolutist, and now they're celebrating people getting fired. I read on. Some of these people are posting. I went to church yesterday and my pastor didn't talk about Charlie Kirk. They are out there, nanny, nanny, boo, boo, tatt, telling on anybody who isn't in the fetal position over Charlie Kirk's death. And let me explain what nuance is for you guys. I saw the shooting, sadly, on Twitter. It was awful. I hate guns. I want gun control. I don't want people to get shot on campuses or in schools. At the same time, Charlie Kirk himself said that deaths are something everybody should accept so that people can have the Second Amendment. Furthermore, I'm completely offended and appalled that the NFL, which is dominated by elite African American athletes, they are having moments of silence for a man who was an unrepentant, unapologetic racist. And here's all you need to know. You can oppose political violence and at the same time oppose the messaging of Charlie Kirk. And I oppose it. And I just think that the whitewashing of who he was is really interesting because you don't have. Usually when somebody of high stature like this involved in politics died, they play clips and clips and clips of their messaging. You don't see that right now. So in that void that you can't announce all of the things that he said and play quotes, you have people rushing in to say, you're not sad enough. And this Preacher didn't do it. I saw one tweet where a lady was like, I'm at the Chase bank on Main street in Second, and this flag is not at half mast. And I'm like, what are y' all doing?
Liberal Political Analyst
Well, what strikes me is just so unbelievably beyond the pale. Donald Trump did not want to lower the flags for Jimmy Carter, who is a president of the United States. Check me if I'm wrong. Charlie Kirk was a political activist on the right, but he did not hold an office. He was not an elected politician. He was a commentator, an influencer. It is so strange to me that people are acting like we need a moment of silence in Congress for Charlie Kirk.
Progressive Political Commentator
I wouldn't even say that Charlie Kirk was a political activist. I would say he was a political agitator and probably a better term. And, you know, and again, for everybody to understand, you can hold two things at the same time. I am completely. I do not like guns. I do not like people getting shot, even people with whom I disagree with. I don't want those people violently shot. I oppose it with everything in me. At the same time, I'm not going to go along with this narrative that they have completely made up out of thin air that the left is the party of murder and that we want people getting shot. We don't. We want you to have health care. We want the minimum wage to be raised. We want billionaires to pay their fair share. We're tired of the entire country getting lied to so we can prop up the 1%. And the Atlantic did an article that I think is rather interesting. Jonathan Chait is the author of the article, and he says conservatives hunted for a Democrat endorsing Charlie Kirk's murder. They found none. Instead, they created an alternative world, an alternate world in which it was so. And put up the headline, leading Democrats are condemning Charlie Kirk's murder. Why is the online right having such a hard time recognizing that? And I would say it's not that they're having a hard time recognizing that. They are exploiting the murder of Charlie Kirk to advance their agenda to erode democracy. And I just want to remind everybody, Charlie Kirk, white man shot by a white man who had a white man of a roommate who had MAGA family members. They say, oh, he got radicalized at a university. He went to Utah State, which I've never heard anything about. I don't think it's some hotbed of liberalism. Utah State for one semester, and then he's been in a trade school studying to Be an electrician. So they, at every turn they are trying to somehow make this guy, this white guy from a MAGA family that's steeped in gun culture. What can we do? Can we game up a bit? Can't really blame black people because white Utah is pretty white. And so here are the white men in Huntington Beach, California losing their minds over this. And remind, I want to remind everybody, this is white on white crime. Play the clip. Take back our lands. Okay? White men fight back. Take back our home. Take back our land. This is white on white crime, right? And this, this video is exactly what former FBI officials, even Christopher Wray, who was Trump's appointee and Trump 1.0 said is one of the biggest problems in America is right wing Christian nationalist white supremacist views. And here they are marching with their hoods on and they're Jesus flags and their American flags somehow claiming to be the victims of this white on white crime. The shooter lived in a six bedroom house in Milk white. I mean white, white, white America. He went to university for one semester. I don't know if his roommate was trans or not, but according to officials, if the roommate is trans, he's completely cooperating with the FBI while the shooter is not. And I think all of this messaging and all of this stuff of the bullets, there's a whole world that I'm not qualified to talk about. I had to call my son who is a gamer who's 22 years old to explain to me about all of this meme stuff. This shooter didn't watch Meet the Press. He didn't watch Ihip News. He doesn't watch cnn. He didn't watch Fox News. So you have all these people that don't even know what this world is and they use memes ironically and unironically and all of these things. But then we have AI that can come in to help us decipher stuff, right? So Elon Musk has set up Grok and put this up somebody, Brett Miselus, I want to say he pointed this out. If your ideology isn't backed up by the facts, I promise you it's not the facts that are the problem. So Grok says to somebody on Twitter on stats, ADL data shows 75% of US extremist murders from 2013 to 2022 by right wing actors through sources like CSIS note rising far right threats. While Cato emphasizes overall rarity and includes other ideologies. Definitions of political murders vary across studies. And Elon Musk, who has been riling up, trying to dismantle democracy in the United States. And now he's on to Europe, says, my apologies, we are fixing this cringe idiocy by Gro. So what does he do? Gro's going to get another lobotomy. Right? Because facts do not align. That's why the Atlantic had to do a story that they're making this up, that the left wing is the party murder. We're for gun control. When people get shot in schools, we. We actually care about it. We want to do something about it. We don't just roll on. When a shooter went into Pulse nightclub and shot gay Americans who were out dancing for the night. They got to put up a rainbow flag to memorialize this horrible murder. What does Kitten Hills Ron DeSantis do? And all of the racist, homophobic right wingers, they paint over it. So don't tell me, don't lecture me on what I can and cannot care about. I condemn all gun violence across the fucking board. But I refuse, refuse to be a part of this narrative that Charlie Kirk was promoting a better society when. And it is just shame on every NFL team, every. That makes all of those African Americans that Charlie Kirk spoke out against their culture, against their personhood, against the Civil Rights act, demeaned black women all the time, that birthed these athletes. You stand that. You make them stand there and have a moment of silence for an unapologetic, unrepentant, racist beyond the pale.
Liberal Political Analyst
It is so gross how everyone is acting. I want this level of outrage for children that are shot in their schools. I want this level of outrage for the Minnesota lawmakers. I want this level of outrage across the board to then lead us to gun control. But the only thing I've heard in response to this, oh, it's the radical left Democrats. Even though it was a white guy, deep down the right wing rabbit hole, they still are not talking about gun control.
Progressive Political Commentator
Well, absolutely not. Because all of these politicians are beholden by the nra. All of these white Christian politicians. And here's the thing, obviously, all of these people that are in the fetal and out playing nanny, nanny, boo boo, hall monitor tattletale, Believe and agree with Charlie Kirk and all of the horrific stuff he says. But it's hard to take the right wing seriously when the response to Charlie Kirk's death is the exact same response as Cracker Barrel. Relogo. Yeah, rebranding. So, I mean, this is insanity. But this is a 911. They are going to use this. They're making lists of liberals and they're. They're going to use this to erode our civil rights. All right, that's all we have for this episode. We'll see you all later today with more news.
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Hosts: Jennifer Welch & Angie “Pumps” Sullivan
Date: September 15, 2025
In this episode, Jennifer and Angie dive into two explosive political controversies dominating the news: leaked audio of Trump disparaging his own MAGA base, and the bewildering, politicized FBI response to the assassination of Charlie Kirk. The hosts dissect right-wing media narratives, the weaponization of Kirk’s murder against progressives, and the hypocrisy they see in both reactions and rhetoric. As always, their approach is deeply progressive, filled with biting wit, and laser-focused on calling out what they see as right-wing media distortions and threats to democracy.
Distorted Narratives: The hosts open by expressing disbelief at how right-wing media and politicians, following Kirk’s murder, immediately labeled it as “left-wing violence”—despite evidence showing the shooter’s background did not fit that narrative.
Distrust in Institutions: Jennifer and Angie voice deep skepticism about official information from “cash money to ching ching FBI,” pointing to the FBI director’s retweet of a Fox News story about the Kirk case as an example of unprofessionalism and bias.
Transphobia in Coverage: The right’s focus on the alleged shooter’s transgender roommate, despite irrelevance or lack of cooperation from the shooter, is called out as an obvious deflection tactic.
Refusal to Whitewash: The hosts draw a line between condemning gun violence and refusing to sanitize Kirk’s record.
Contrasts in Mourning: The episode criticizes performative mourning and demands for public displays of grief, such as demands for NFL moments of silence and “hall monitor” behavior on social media.
Comparison to Other Victims: The hosts point out that Donald Trump refused to lower the flag for President Jimmy Carter, yet public figures are calling for institutional mourning for Kirk, who never held public office.
Manufactured Narratives: The Atlantic’s reporting is cited to show there is no evidence prominent Democrats supported Kirk’s murder, yet the right pushes alternate realities to blame the left.
Weaponization for Eroding Civil Rights: The hosts warn that the tragedy is being used as a tool to crack down on civil liberties, target left-wing figures, and advance authoritarian agendas.
Extremism Data: Reference is made to extremist violence statistics, noting right-wing dominance in recent years (per ADL and CSIS), and how even objective facts are now “lobotomized” from AI chatbots like Grok to avoid upsetting the right.
Memes & Modern Radicalization: Discussion about the shooter’s digital background, meme culture, and the difficulty “older” generations have in interpreting meme-driven political violence.
Race & Appropriation of Victimhood: The hosts criticize white nationalist rallies in response to Kirk’s murder and point out the irony of their grievance-mongering when it is “white on white crime.”
NFL & Symbolism: Outrage is expressed at moments of silence for Kirk in the NFL, seen as disrespectful given Kirk’s history of anti-Black rhetoric.
Double Standards in Outrage: The emotional reaction to Kirk is contrasted with the lack of similar attention for victims of mass shootings, especially children and marginalized communities.
NRA Allegiances: The entrenched relationship between politicians and the NRA is cited as a barrier to any real change on gun violence—despite repeated tragedy.
Jennifer and Angie use wit and moral clarity to tear down right-wing narratives around Charlie Kirk’s murder, lambaste both Trump’s open contempt and the right’s “hall monitor” mourning, and call for a politics centered on facts, nuance, and real solutions like gun control. Their analysis highlights the manipulation of tragedy for authoritarian ends, warns of the fragility of civil rights, and skewers the performative nature of mourning for controversial figures while real social crises are ignored.