Host 2 (3:30)

Well, okay, let me tell you what I saw when I read this. I thought he may have been around when this, this doesn't look like something Donald Trump wrote. This is way too nuanced, and it's not as gruff as normal. What he's trying to get at is Elon's a skunk. He wants everybody to be a skunk. But here's the thing about Trump. And I know we say this all the time, but he's like, somebody can't run NASA. That's never donated to Republican Party. You know, it's like, you can't just be good at your job. You have to be a Republican.

Host 1 (4:02)

You have to be a partisan loyalist. You have to be a partisan. You have to. He, he, he wants partisan politics. And the second, Elon decided not to be partisan anymore, which is all of Elon's stuff is all for personal gain. It has nothing to do with this country. It's going to be a layup for MAGA to take out Elon Musk.

Host 2 (4:21)

Yes.

Host 1 (4:22)

Because at their core, they are white supremacists. And in that is American supremacists. It's very easy to dismantle Elon Musk, corporate welfare queen that got rich off the United States government. And it's going to be so easy to pitch because he's South African and he has an accent. And Americans are ethnocentric first and foremost. All right. Secondly, all of this kind of combines together. Here, here's an Axios headline. President Trump's Justice Department NEPI have concluded they have no evidence that Jeffrey Epstein blackmailed powerful figures, kept a client list, or was murdered, according to a memo detailing the findings obtain by Axios. Interestingly, let's listen to Pam Bondi, Trump's Justice Department. So I just want to point out, no evidence of any of this. No evidence of a client list. All right, here's Pam Bondi in February on Fox. Play the clip. DOJ may be releasing the list of Jeffrey Epstein's clients. Will that really happen? It's sitting on my desk right now to review.

Host 2 (5:28)

That's been a directive by President Trump. I'm reviewing that.

Host 1 (5:31)

I'm reviewing JFK files, MLK files. That's all right. There we go. So basically here in February, she says that something exists, the client list. It's sitting on her desk and she's going to review it. Now we have her own Justice Department in July dropped on a Sunday night because we all know the government's always working late on a Sunday night saying that the client list doesn't exist. The fact of the matter is MAGA Trump is all over the Epstein files. And you can go back to. There was a. I think the last name is Acosta. He was a US Attorney in Florida who got Jeffrey Epstein a super duper sweet deal that got him out of prison. He went back and committed tons of more crimes against these young girls. And then this guy who helped cover up all the Epstein stuff gets a appointment in Trump 1.0. So the collusion to cover up the Epstein thing has been going on for quite a time. Quite some time. But don't take my word for it. Let's listen to Jeffrey Epstein being recorded here by journalist Michael Wolf about the Trump administration 1.0. This is Jeffrey Epstein saying this. I think we have a snippet from one of the conversations that I recorded with Epstein. And I think this was in a restaurant in 2017.

Guest (6:53)

His people fight each other, right? And then have outsiders. He sort of poisons the well outside. He will tell 10 people Bannons are scumbag and priest is not doing a good job. And Kelly has a big mouth. What do you think? Jamie Dimon says you're a problem and I shouldn't keep you. And I spoke to Carl icar and Carl thinks I need a new spokesperson. So Kelly, even though I hired Kellyanne's husband, Kellyanne's just too much of a wild.

Host 1 (7:31)

Okay, so the gist of this is that Jeffrey Epstein has insider information about the going on in Trump 1.0. And he's heard it straight from the horse's mouth. Trump says this about Kelly, you know, and he says this about Steve Bannon and he says that he plays everybody against each other because he has insider information, because they're buddies. So to believe that Epstein, the client list or that Donald Trump is nowhere in this. We've seen the photos. We've seen all of it. I guess I'm just mystified. Pumps by. I know what I've seen on the Internet, right? That somehow there's a huge portion of the MAGA movement that is. I guess they don't have access to or they haven't seen that doesn't understand that Trump is at the epicenter of all this Epstein stuff.

Host 2 (8:24)

Well, obviously, okay, I did have a conversation with a friend when they were talking about Epstein files being released and I said, there is no way any of the Epstein files will be released because Donald Trump is all over them. And, and this is an educated person. She goes, well, how do you know that? I said, because they were introduced as evidence in Ghislaine Maxwell's trial who was Jeffrey Epstein's right hand man. We have flight logs, we have phone messages where he's called. That is all readily available on the Internet. And that was a surprise. So I think they stay in these echo chambers that say that doesn't exist. Which brings me to the point of Pam Bondi's on Fox. We're going to release them. We're going to release them. You've got all these people saying release the Epstein files and now they don't have them. Are they now going to do their own investigation? Which would just be a slight Google search and all this would come up.

Host 1 (9:16)

All right, and this is the way it's being reported on the right. Does the Musk party. And this is back to Elon Musk and his New American Party. Does the Musk party have a chance to in the US two party system? That is a right leaning headline. On the left, it's presented like this. Seething over tax bill Musk forms his own party. And this goes to what Angie was talking about. If you're in a right wing silo, you never see the truth. And studies have even shown that people who only watch Fox News are actually less informed than people who don't watch the news at all. Which is why we believe we have agency. We believe in being a good citizen and getting the facts. Which is why every single morning in preparation for these podcasts we use our Ground News Vantage plan.

Host 2 (10:03)

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Host 1 (10:20)

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Host 2 (11:26)

Yes.

Host 1 (11:27)

With all the Epstein evidence, you know, that was a, a play to keep everybody in the a cult media echo chamber engaged. And now they've just shut the entire thing down. And I'm wondering, like you said, how what percentage of the MAGA base who like QAnon, who real into all this stuff, what percentage starts to actually question Donald Trump's integrity? Or do they just get spin and spin onto some new conspiracy?

Host 2 (11:57)

I think they probably spin out to another conspiracy. But when I see Elon Musk mocking Pam Bondi, the first question that comes to my mind is, Pam Bondi declared a property crime on Tesla as domestic terrorism. And so now he's making her out to be a clown because she's the one that said all these things. Are we going to no longer live under the threat of vandalizing a Tesla as domestic terrorism?

Host 1 (12:23)

Well, of course not. I mean, of course. And you know, of course she's not going to do that. Pam Bondi is a puppet.

Host 2 (12:29)

Yes.

Host 1 (12:30)

For Stephen Miller. She gets instructions about what to go out and say. She has no autonomy over DOJ zero. There is zero independence in the Department of Justice. It is Trump's personal team of lawyers that are executing cases and investigations based on his preference. And, you know, I have a son that's starting law school in August. I'm wondering, like, what are they going to teach now at law school? Do you teach due process? What? What do you teach? All right, and lastly, we have Trump's top advisor, Laura Loomer, who's going to be going through some things. Who releases a statement about the Epstein files on Sunday night, Fourth of July weekend. Someone who doesn't want you paying attention.

Host 2 (13:22)

Okay, my question on this is, how did Laura Loomer not know that Trump's all over this. Like, she's on the Internet.

Host 1 (13:29)

She's respectfully, she thought Haitians were eating dogs and cats. Angie.

Host 2 (13:34)

Okay, well, fair, touche.

Host 1 (13:36)

I mean, you, you know what I mean? Like, she is a complete conspiracy theorist. And these people traffic in these outlandish conspiracy theorists. She is a white supremacist. She is a racist. She is, you know, clearly something's going on with her and Trump. And I don't know if it's sexual or what it is, but the fact that she can make a phone call and go to the White House and get people fired and stir up is just insane. Could you imagine if Obama had some fringe progressive podcaster that showed up to the White House and then right after this podcaster left, people were fired that had serious jobs based on a whack job conspiracy theorist? It's just, it's insane. But again, the normalization of all of this is the most dangerous aspect to it. And the fact that you do not see more people in large numbers have regret and remorse about voting for Trump is devastating to what's going to happen in a post Trump America. And the fact that when I see the Republican approval rating of Donald Trump, just the Republican Republican Party is in the mid-60s, right? It tells you that they finally feel untethered to the civil civilized society, that they need to work on their racist racism, that they need to try to be better people, that he's completely untethered them and they're enjoying this moment. So it's going to be interesting to see what happens in the post Trump America because Trump again, it it right now and he's like, okay, we just have a time game with him. His term is either going to expire or he's going to drop dead. We're dealing with an 80 year old that clearly is an advanced dementia, right? So it's going to be interesting with this base because they are so rabid, they are so evil, they are so racist. It's going to be interesting to see how they, if they're able to consolidate under another leader because they're, they clearly take orders from this man as to what to believe and what not to believe. And they'll put out some spin that satisfies all this Jeffrey Epstein that blames the liberals on it or that he's doing Bill Clinton a favor or something. You know, it's going to be something like this. All right. This is just embarrassing. Embarrassed. We're signing out embarrassed in the middle of the United States of America. This is our federal government it's just devastating, actually. All right, we'll see you all later.