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Jennifer
Foreign.
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Ben Mysalis
Guest, my algorithm boyfriend, the founder of Midas Touch Network, Ben Mysalis. Thanks Ben for joining us.
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Jennifer
Good to be here, Pums. How are you?
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Ben Mysalis
I'm great. Okay, so I have to tell you, when I saw this post on Live Social where Trump breaks up with his followers, I mean the things that hit me, the new scam that we will forever ever call the Jeffrey Epstein hoax and my past supporters have bought into this bullshit. And then he goes on to say, let this these weaklings continue forward to do the Democrats work, even if they think about talking about our incredible unprecedented success, because I don't want their support anymore. What in the world is going on?
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Jennifer
Well, he also held a press conference with the Prime Minister of Bahrain in, in the Oval Office where he was asked all of these questions about Epstein and he said the exact same thing. He said that his supporters are weak and stupid people. And if anybody believes this Jeffrey Epstein hoax, I do not want you as a supporter. Look, pumps, this is a very big deal. I mean first we're dealing with very serious subject matter. We're dealing with a sex trafficking ring where Jeffrey Epstein was working with elites and billionaires to sex traffic little girls. This is a very serious issue and people are rightfully outraged that a lot of the co conspirators have been covered up. But this has also been a disproportionately maga issue, pushed to weaponize it in a way against their political enemies and basically saying all these other people are on this list and that's why it needs to be released. And we here at the Midas Touch network for the past five years, since we really started, we've been very focused on this issue because the links between Epstein and Trump are undisputed and it is sinister and it is disgusting. The way I like to describe it is this already from the Epstein files, if you want to call it that. The accumulation of all the Epstein out there, from criminal cases to civil cases, the full pie is 100%. About 10% has been released from cases already. If you were to run through in a chat GPT or something, who's one of the names of prominent rich people who are on this the most? Donald Trump's name would come up because Mar a Lago was used as the grounds. And I can say this without fear because it was where Epstein would find girls to sex traffic. It happened at Mar a Lago and I can give you a specific example of Virginia Giuffre, 17 year old homeless girl, gets a job at Mar a Lago at their Spa to be the towel girl for rich people there. Ghislaine Maxwell, who is living with Epstein two blocks away in Palm Beach. They walk over. Ghislaine finds Virginia Giuffre as the towel girl. Hey, I want you to meet my rich friend or boyfriend. And there's some opportunities there. And that was Epstein's M.O. was preying on destitute young girls and showing them this lifestyle of princes and rich people. And so Giuffre goes to Mar A Lago for, finds Ghislaine. Maxwell goes to Mar A Lago, finds Giuffre, brings her over to Epstein, and then she's trafficked from Epstein. Trump's names are all over the call logs, the black book that's been released. Trump's name's over there, the phone logs, the flight logs. Trump has said Epstein's a great guy who likes women on the younger side. Donald Trump's all over the depositions. Epstein was on Trump's plane. They're out there on videos partying together all of the time. So all of this stuff is out there. But this was maga's issues that they weaponized, and Donald Trump dragged them along. And usually Donald Trump gives them an out. And the out that he gives them is, oh, you know, follow the rabbit hole. And we're going to do this. It'll be at a later time. The secrets will all reveal themselves. And here, the Department of Justice, their first statement was that it doesn't exist, that there is no list and we're shutting this down. So they went with that first. And then after Donald Trump said in the post that you read in others, actually, Bondi's wrong. It does exist, but it was created by Clinton, Obama and Comey. And all of this stuff we've been telling you about for all of these years is one big, gigantic democratic hoax. And Epstein's, it's not a real thing. Don't focus on it. You're stupid if you care. So that's the full context of it, in my view. And you have to contextualize it, that it's also. It's not a conspiracy theory of Donald Trump's links. It is. It is real.
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Ben Mysalis
Right? You see all these pictures of he and Epstein together. I think in my Mike Wolf's book, the excerpt is Jeffrey Epstein talking about his close relationship with Trump. Here's my question. And this is the thing. I'm sure our viewers get tired of me asking this question, but these are the people that can find a conspiracy in. In Pizzagate, Jewish space, lasers, all of those things, but they cannot connect these dots. I mean there's met the metadata on the video is, you know, they didn't even clean that up well. So do you see these people? Like I'm to the point now, I think that these people are kind of an abusive relationship with Donald Trump. So they're going to, you know, he's done the gaslighting, now he's telling him, you know, hit the road if you don't like it, that they're going to come around. What's your thought on that?
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Jennifer
You know, I think the behavior you see is in cult behavior of cognitive dissonance, of believing that your cult leader is infallible and everything they say is accurate and, you know, the worst traits of your cult leader are actually projected on the enemy and the other. So it is rooted in a psychological kind of cult behavior. But cults run their course eventually. It's very hard to get out of a cult, often because of the embarrassment and the shame of having to tell other people that you've been had and played. So people in the cult dig deeper down the rabbit hole. The difference here is Trump is now shaming them though, and saying that you are stupid and you are moronic for believing in the things that I told you.
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Ben Mysalis
Right?
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Jennifer
So to me it's a little bit potentially, and I say it's potentially different here because that shame he's done, they're fearful of that shame coming from the others who they've said, no, no, no, my leader is infallible. So I actually think that with this of all of the issues, and it's interesting that this is the issue, but this one's different.
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Ben Mysalis
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Jennifer
No. And I don't. I mean, the MAGA influencers in their cognitive dissonance are trying to make her that, oh, it must be Bondi. Okay, she did it. They need that. But the reality is, is that it wasn't Pam Bondi, it was Trump to Pam Bondi. And by the way, Pam Bondi was the Attorney General in Florida when the non prosecution agreement with Epstein was entered into. So she's got a history with the Epstein stuff as well. But Trump in that Oval Office disaster with the Prime Minister of Bahrain, Bahrain said, no, no, no, I support her. She did what I told her to do. So he's closing that door as well. And I think it is because like the cornered rat or whatever, he's really in a corner here because he really did these things with Epstein. That's not the conspiracy. That, that's if he didn't do the things with Epstein and there was no worry about it, he would release these things like in a moment. I mean, he makes up things this past week about Senator Adam Schiff engaging in mortgage fraud in 2009, if anyone else was on the list that he could use to hurt them, he'd be the first person out there saying it. But how do. Again, going back to what I said, and this is where I want to remove the conspiracy and get to the reality, which is why is he in the files? Why is he on the lists? Because he is. And a lot of this stuff is out there. Going back to, to what I said from the outset. We know he's on there because he's there. He's do 174 in the civil cases. Now, by common logic, if there's a DO 174, wouldn't that mean there's a DOE 173 and a DOE 1 7? Isn't that a list of individuals? DOE 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 and I would be able to find. There's, there's terabytes of files out there. And if you were to appoint me as the special counselor back in the day when I was a lawyer, I could tell you where all of these documents are. It's not. I know where the documents are. There's grand jury testimony from a 14 year old girl, she's now a woman, 14 year old at the time, who testified at Ghislaine Maxwell sex trafficking criminal trial, who said she was introduced at Mar a Lago to Donald Trump by Epstein and Ghislaine. So I would ask, let's see her testimony, let's see her. There are a lot of other witnesses out there and Epstein victims who mention we were in Epstein's office. Donald Trump shows up into the building. He looks at me up and down. Epstein says, she's not the one for you. She tells Epstein, tells Trump to go into the other room. Like, I want to see her testimony. And by the way, the fact that these allegations are out there, Trump could still just say, well, you know, these, these are allegations or, or whatever it is, okay, but we deserve to delve deeper into and to know the facts that are surrounding this. And again, to say one of the largest. Think about it like this. One of the most disgusting crimes in the history of America in the world. What Epstein did, I think that's all undisputed to say that that's a hoax, that that's made up. What are you saying to the victims? That's like, you know when Donald Trump said that when he says he grabs women by their genitals and you get away with it. That's locker room talk. That's how we all talk. I mean, he has a pattern. And now he's saying the biggest sex trafficking ring was all a hoax. And think about what this does for Ghislaine Maxwell, now Epstein's co conspirator. She has a golden ticket because she goes retrial. The President of the United States says that all of this was a hoax, that the FBI and who has more access to the FBI and DOJ than the President? The President says that the FBI and DOJ essentially framed Epstein because it's a hoax and it's not real. So why am I being tried as a co conspirator? She's going to get, you know, she could potentially get a retrial ultimately. You know, maybe the only way she won't get a retrial is kind of like the way the markets don't collapse anymore when Donald Trump does stupid trade stuff because no one takes him at his, you know, like no serious people take him seriously. So I could see a district court judge going, well the President said that but he says a bunch of crazy shit. So whatever. I, I don't. But, but it's gonna, but if a district judge rejects the retrial, it'll be based on Trump having no credibility. Think about that versus what he's actually saying, right?
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Ben Mysalis
I mean, and he has no credibility. And what, what's crazy about this whole thing is we know about Stormy Daniels, we know about the Playboy Playmates when the baron was little like his E, Jean Carroll, the billions of accusations against him. Like why maggot just now is getting that he's a sexual perv. I don't understand like these super duper dyed in the wool Christians faith family, they, this was so easy to predict. But Ben, thank you so much for coming on with us. It's so fun. I hope to have on have you on again and we so appreciate you being here.
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Jennifer
Always great to be here. Love the show.