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Just in case you think Donald Trump and Pete Hegseth are not committing war crimes. Just look at their behavior. So this report just came out from Reuters and it says President Trump's administration wants the icc, which is the International Criminal Court, to amend its founding document to ensure it does not investigate the Republican president and his top officials threatening new U.S. sanctions on the court if it did not. So I've gone into the bowels of this article and basically this guy, it's so legal. You know, we did everything right. They know that in 2020, 29, all these are going to get.
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I have to tell you something that you do all the time.
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What?
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Instead of saying 2029, you did another episode too. It's really cute. Kylie, don't cut this out. You say 202029 every time you announce a year. You do 2000 and 2024 or 2000 and 2029. It's really cute. All right, go on. It cracks me up every dying, laughing. Okay, go on, go on.
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Okay. So basically they know they're committing war crimes. And instead of being held accountable, which we know this president is allergic to, he wants to change the rules at the icc, threatening them with sanctions because he knows what he's doing are crimes. And I'm just like, you elect a criminal, this is what you expect. But it's pretty denounced. If he's going after the ICC because he knows they're going to come after him in 2029.
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Oh, you nailed it. Okay. You nailed it. All right, let I have some questions for you. So the ICC is the court that has an arrest warrant out for Benjamin Netanyahu's arrest, Correct?
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Correct.
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And I would think that this Trumpian tactic, the shakedown that he's trying to do with the icc, I would think that that would not work considering they've held the line with the arrest warrant with Benjamin Netanyahu. And I would think that that would be even more of a red flag that we've really got to investigate this MF or because he's total crimes.
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I completely agree 100%. And here's the thing. There's a excerpt from the article, Kylie, if you'll just put that up where it says this is unacceptable and we will not allow it to happen. That's from an ICC quote. And here's the deal. I thought this was interesting. In the article, it says they are afraid in 2029, the ICC will turn its attention to the president, to the Vice president, to the Secretary of War and others. Which I was like, you know, J.D. he did get on X and say he didn't give a shit. He was happy for them to be killed. So. But obviously he's in it more, you know, because these are the, this is Trump's administration doing this. Here's my problem with the icc. They don't have any enforcement power. So, like, they can't go to people like the United States that host Benjamin Netanyahu, and they cannot arrest him or they cannot put sanctions on the United States for not arresting him. Which tells me, again, they're so worried about it when there's really no enforcement from the icc, but they know it's going to happen, and there's nothing that can really happen to him on that issue. So what that tells me is it must be really, really bad what they're doing, because I don't think for one second it's just the boats in the Caribbean, the crimes they're committing, whether they're war crimes or not. But I would guess there are more crimes than you can shake a stick at with this group.
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Well, and I read, and we need.
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To dive into this in another episode, but that there are still people at Alligator Alcatraz and they're getting tortured. So there is just so many war crimes, egregious human rights violations that this administration is participating in. And again, the, the lack of outrage on a lot of this stuff by Republicans is stunning. And I think we have to consistently and constantly point out the Republican Party has turned into a Mafia party, a pro crime party, and its supporters that still stand by it in Congress and in the Senate. I'm talking about the leader of the Senate. I'm talking about the little pipsqueak, little leader of the House by proxy. They're criminals as well. And, you know, these are not people who are holding this, this administration. They like to murder and torture people for sport. Yeah, Pete Hexeth is insecure. He's emotionally stunted and he thinks it's fun to play army. And he has people blowing up and killing people in the Caribbean with zero evidence as to who they are, what their names are, what they're doing there. We're the United States of America. If you shoot somebody, you. We have the intelligence and God knows the budget to know exactly who it is. They found Osama bin Laden and went in and killed him and brought his body back. This is, this is to make Pete Hegseth and others surrounding Pete Hegseth that have a problem with their masculinity and they don't want anybody to know that they have the problem. But spoiler alert, we all know you have a problem with your masculinity and in all of these things are just so sociopathic. And so I think with the icc, this is my understanding, you can correct me if I'm wrong, that the United States could have arrested Benjamin Netanyahu when he came here.
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Yes.
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And then turned him over. And which is why when Benjamin Netanyahu flew to the United States, he had to fly around Europe because he couldn't be in the airspace of Europe, like Spain and places like that. And so for Trump, I'm sure he doesn't, and these others, they want to be able to, once they get out, they probably want to jump ship on the United States of America and they want to go somewhere. And then if the icc, because Trump's got immunity, he's going to pardon all these fleabags and that's going to be an accountability thing. You know, if they want to go to Europe or someplace, they could get arrested by the icc. So that's what I think that's about.
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Here's another thing that that is, I, I, I really want to like, kind of dive into a little bit, is that they put all this cruel shit on the social media platforms of the official agencies. Like, we are seeing Pete Hegseth post pictures of him obviously edited, because we're not getting the second shot, that of murdering people. Do you think that's part of the decline and why people aren't as outraged because it's been normalized? Because it is not normal to post videos of murdering people, whether they're drug dealers or whatever their deal is, let's assume they're guilty of sin. It is not normal in normal societies. We should not want public hangings like we have from this Magaverse. I mean, I think they're trying to normalize this and I think that people are allowing it.
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I think that some of this stuff, if we're really intellectually honest, we have to look at American foreign policy under both Republicans and Democrats and Obama was a drone strike president and killed innocent civilians with drone strikes. And I think each time we morally collapse on these things under both Republicans and Democrats lied to get into a rock, it breaks part of the culture and it becomes the, the lines in the sand get moved and moved and moved. And to really place the blame of all of this squarely on the Republicans is intellectually dishonest.
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Right?
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There has been a pattern of provocative and dishonest American foreign policy for a very long time. Vietnam, Iraq, etc Operation, you know, Desert Storm and all of that. You know, the regime changes that we participated in and that is injected into the culture. American military like that is really injected into the culture. Blowing up, doing stuff and both parties have been a part of this and I don't think we've been honest about it and I don't think we've atoned for it. And even somebody as beloved as Barack Obama or Bill Clinton in the Democratic Party participated in setting the psychological soil for this to happen. So as shocking as it is, it's not new for American military to do that. And we really have to be honest about that and, and have these uncomfortable conversations about it.
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Yeah, you're right. It's just more normalized now. We put people in shackles for sport. We think it's fun. Other people think it's fun.
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Look at Abu Ghraib and Abu Ghraib in, in Iraq and, and the black sites. I mean it's not new. It's not new. That's, that's the thing. That's the intellectual honesty we have to have with this. Look at what the Bush administration did. Were there ever any trials or anything for all of that?
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No.
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With this waterboarding, advanced interrogations and all of these things, this is just a natural extension of a immoral foreign policy that we go around the world very sanctimoniously as though we don't do these things. And the truth of the matter is we've kind of always done them. They're just a little slightly more flagrant about it is all. But Bush administration, I mean, I was mad all the time about all of those war crimes.
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Yeah. When you just said waterboarding, it evokes such a visceral reaction because it is so cruel. So you're right. This is not new. But it's just interesting to me that the Trump administration is mad at the ICC because they know they are guilty as of so many crimes. All right. Please like this video, subscribe to our channel and we will be back with more news.
Hosts: Jennifer Welch & Angie “Pumps” Sullivan
Date: December 22, 2025
This episode tackles the brewing conflict between Donald Trump, his administration, and the International Criminal Court (ICC). Jennifer and Angie discuss a recent Reuters article revealing Trump's efforts to shield himself and his team from ICC investigations into war crimes, threatening sanctions against the ICC if they proceed. With their trademark blend of outrage, humor, and sharp political critique, the hosts dissect both the specifics of Trump's shakedown attempt and its broader implications for U.S. foreign policy and accountability.
Reuters Report Breakdown:
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The episode argues that Trump’s attempt to bully the ICC is an implicit admission of guilt, but also a symptom of a deeper American reluctance to reckon with its long-standing record of war crimes and abuses under both Republican and Democratic administrations. The hosts urge listeners to recognize the normalization of atrocities and demand higher accountability across the political spectrum.