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I get so angry every day that the Democratic Party during the tenure of Joe Biden and his doj, that they didn't stop fascism, that they didn't stop a criminal from taking the country back over again. And I'm joined today as a therapy session, my friend Wajahat Ali to discuss these things. And Wajahat, there is some breaking news coming out. Kylie, pop this up. Damning. New documents from Special counsel Jack Smith's investigation obtained by Representative Jamie Raskin and Judiciary Democrats reveal Trump stole classified documents to advance his, quote, business interests. Trump showed a classified map to unnamed passengers on a private plane. Trump stole documents so sensitive only six people in the entire United States government had access to them. Prosecutors warned that some of the materials posed, quote, an aggravated potential harm to national security. This is the Wajahat. When I see this stuff, I'm like, why when you went to Mar A Lago, didn't you go in and get the motherfucker in bracelets and take him back and throw him in a cell?
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We should be shocked, but not surprised. I've always said there's three major sins of the Biden administration. He did many good things. These are three major sins. Gaza, which we're still suffering with right now. The fact that he didn't leave and only gave Kamala Harris, what, two months. And then the third one, and I said this even yesterday in a speech, is the appointment of Merrick Garland, a human sloth who slow walked for four years. What should be per walks were like you said, Donald Trump and a cabal of Republicans who openly participated in a violent insurrection should have been prosecuted, should have seen the inside of a courtroom, should have been taken away in bracelets. And this is what happens. Without any accountability, they were free to literally crime again. Everything that was just heard right there, I read it and with you, and I'm like, yep, that tracks. This is a man who stole classified documents, kept it in the shitter in Mar a Lago, lied to the fda, FBI about keeping it right. The, the whole time we've seen him openly trade information, right? Openly sit there and talk to Russia and Putin, openly grift, right now he's made $5 billion for him and his corrupt Tweedledee and Tweedledum son. And people are like, oh, I wonder, is he corrupt? He's pardoned. Cz, the man who was convicted of money laundering, his freaking crypto partner right in Binance. This is a man who's so corrupt that literally, as we're talking about breaking news during this completely failed, unwinnable war in Iran, we. We're seeing them grift with insider information, Jen. Right. We saw the violent insurrection. We saw him pardon the violent insurrectionist. And what did Joe Biden and Democrats do? I'm sorry, I know a lot of people love Joe Biden and Democrats. They deliberately slow walked it with Mer Garland, who chose restoration instead of transformation. And they still haven't learned, Jen. And here we are. Here we are.
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And I think it's important that in order to have a healthy political party, you cannot be a Democrat and then say, oh my God, maga's a cult. And one of the, one of the signs that people look to from a cult is criticism is not welcome. And then you can't be on the Democratic side and then not openly, healthily criticize your political party. Every presidency, if you run for the big, big boy seat, you're going to be worthy of a lot of criticism. You have to have thick skin to do it. Every single president needs to be criticized so that each time we can hopefully move to a better country. I just want to ask you this. If it had been Barack Obama, the black guy that had stolen documents that only six motherfuckers in the entire federal government had seen, and he shows them off on a private plane to earn more money, and the FBI finds out about this and a Republican attorney general finds out about this, what do you think their next move is? If, let's say Obama's vacationing on all of this shit is in Honolulu, what do you think a Republican DOJ would do in this situation?
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We don't have to even think. I want to remind everyone that Kevin McCarthy. Arrest in peace. Kevin McCarthy. You were supposed to be the future leader of the gop, the world's smallest violin. Remember that? He Openly said in 2015, Jen. That we did the Benghazi hearings to hurt Hillary Clinton ahead of the 2016 elections. Like a bond supervillain, he openly tells you the plot. They did nonstop hearings, right? About Hillary Clinton, and she answered those questions. It was complete bullshit, but they tainted her. They would use full court press, even through the minority, to attack, attack, attack, control the narrative. Hurt, hurt, hurt. These slots. Chuck Schumer, a somnambulist who sits there. I want to talk about accountability and affordability. My number one job is to give ISRA aid that it needs. Right? This is what we have, Jen. Like literally, the world is on fire. Like, literally, there's an illegal war. These mother effers are grifting. Like you said. We just found out he stole classified documents. Who did he show it to? I don't know. Let me just throw it out there. Maybe Bibi, maybe Putin. We have no idea. Maybe he sold our national security in a quid pro quo. Would it be, I don't know, outside the realm of imagination? And then you have these weak, feckless Democrats. And I'm with you. If you cannot criticize the Democratic leadership, you're in a cult. You're in what I call blue Anon. I don't need you anymore. And the Democratic establishment, Jen, has had us in a headlock for 10 years and I'm tired of it. What they say is the following. You're going to vote for us anyway. You're going to vote for us or this guy who stole classified documents and is a rapist and did a violent insurrection. You're going to vote for us. So shut your mouth. And I think you're with me, Jen. I'm done with it. We need to cull this party of these weak, feckless mother effers, the Jeffries and the Schumers. And we need fighters. We need people who put on their frickin. What do you call the brawling brass knuckles and punch these guys. When they go low, we go high. No, when they go low, you take them out by their goddamn knees, which is a very legal UFC fight. And so it goes back to the Merrick Garland of it all, because I see the Merrick Garland mindset still with this Democratic establishment. You can't tell me, Jen, after 10 years, Donald Trump is a unique existential threat to my democracy and the GOP is fascists and then still vote and confirm his members. Make that make sense.
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I completely agree with this. You cannot. I believe that what we have, and scholars point to this a lot, you see that in autocracy autocracies, that liberals will collaborate with fascists to keep the capital intact, to keep a corrupt economic system intact. So it's mainly to protect property, private equity, to protect private money. And so that's what we're seeing right now. And we have to be clear eyed and we have to criticize the Democrats that are fascist collaborators. There's no question that Chuckles and Hakeem are fascist collaborators.
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Absolutely.
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But what makes them that this is something I'm interested in because I was talking to Kyle Kalinsky the other day and he said, you know, maybe BB has, you know, compromising Epstein footage on all of them. And I said, you know, that's what we think it would take for us to be able to do that. I think that what it is is that once you start taking you, you sell out your moral convictions and you take a little bit of money from this lobbyist, the gun lobby, big oil, Big pharma, Israel, etc, it starts breaking you. And and so we. The collapse, the moral collapse that scholars talk about starts with our lawmakers and then it trickles down. That's one thing that actually does trickle down is the moral collapse. And this is where I am traumatized kind of right now. And so we can, you and I can work through this together. Wash, I'm with you. That they know that at the end of the day we're not going to vote for Donald Trump or for little Moses, Mike Johnson or Josh Hawley or any of these fascist Christian nationalist guys and that would end up voting for the Dem and we have to say no, take our vote for granted. As a person who lived in a red State for 51 years, I really struggle with this because the harm reduction of a corporate dim for the young queer person or for a, a black woman, a poor black woman in Oklahoma, which that's where these draconian abortion laws affect. They don't affect wealthy women because they'll be able to fly to another state and have an abortion. They, they affect poor women. And I just, I really struggle with this. I really, really struggle with would I just fucking live out and vote for the Lib? And I kind of think I would. Even though currently right now I'm doing everything I can do to fight and get the Democrats off the corporate tit. But this is a big conversation that our party needs to have right now because for marginalized people in red states, I can tell you firsthand from experience, a corporate democratic federal government is life changing for marginalized people in red states that live in MAGA super majority states.
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Yeah, it's a very good question. And this is where I'm at right now. The great George Carlin quote. It's a big club and you ain't in it. And that big club consists of complicit Democrats who take money from AI Crypto, Palantir and also apac. I'm sure you've seen that clip of me and Hakeem Jeffries where I ask him, you know, yes.
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So good.
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And he was more angry at me for asking him that question than he's been angry at actual Republicans. I don't understand what you said. I don't understand what you said. And I'm at that position right now where for the past decade, Jane, Jen, they have held us in a headlock, like I've said, and they honestly believe that we'll vote for them no matter what. And here we have, literally in a legal war, here we have pro AI and pro crypto groups spending half a billion dollars in California after a poll came out that showed 2 to 1 Californians want to tax the billionaires. We have Gavin Newsom when he was given a softball down the midd with this interview with Aaron Sorkin. Ross, hey, will you tax billionaires? What did he say? They're part of the big tent. And just this week he said, I love Israel. I am a Zionist. I revere Israel. I walk back my criticism, calling it apartheid. I was just quoting a Thomas Friedman article. And then you see these centrists, right? They keep saying, well, don't you want a centrist Democrat instead of, I don't know, Republican? And I tell you Henry Cuellar voted for the SAVE Act. Henry Cuellar, the centrist, voted to fund DHS after they killed Renee Nicole Goode. With centrists like these, Jen, yeah, who needs maga? And so I say we have six months. This is it, folks. This six months. The culling. We got to do it now. It's primary season. We only have six months. We have to put the fear of God in these Democrats. And I see what they see, where the tea leaves are going. I think they realize it. I'm sure you read about that Axios News article that said that they want to get chuckles out. There's something called the fight club. And apparently there's center shots. Yeah, they think, wait a second, we can play possum. That's what the crypt keeper James Carville said. Play possum, don't fight, say nothing. Oh, look, you're winning these special elections. And look, Ken Martin said, oh, we're winning. We don't have to release the audit. We don't have to change. We can do reformation instead of transformation. And we can back a Gavin Newsom. And guess what? He'll be pro AI, pro crypto. He'll give them some crumbs and it'll be fine. My fear is, Jen, if we have free and fair elections, I don't know if we will. And suppose you Get a Gavin Newsom type of centrist corporate moderate and we get a 2028 Gavin Newsom presidency, I will guarantee we will get our first Nazi or first America, first Tucker Carlson presidency. Nick Fuentes because I don't think they realize the rage and I don't know if we've talked about this. The type of folks who are going to Tucker Carlson. Candace Owens, listen, this is my warning to your audience. You're not taking that threat seriously. They're moving further to the left of the DNC when it comes to criticism of Israel, criticism of wars, criticism of military industrial complex and criticism of AI. And by moving to the left of the DNC on these core issues, they're gobbling up so many disaffected Democrats. Jen, they are, is. And you know this, you hear this my in the. And you see that they go on the WhatsApp. They get these little clips and like I think Tucker's changing. I think, I think Candace is on to something. And me and Maddie, I talked to Medy Huss about the all time we're like banging your head against the wall trying to de. Radicalize people. People are radicalized, Jen. And we got freaking Schumer on February saying my number one priority is to make sure Israel gets all the funding that it needs. Jen, what can I do? They listen to you. They don't listen to me.
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No. I've been warning my listeners that we are incubating a President Tucker Carlson or even later in the terms Nick Fuentes because they are getting when, when Marjorie Taylor Greene is out flanking people in 30 second sound bites. That's a real problem. It is. The Democrats have to have moral clarity. The best thing the Democrats could do right now in my opinion would be for the progressives in each the House and the Senate to go nuclear and say we're done with Chuck Schumer, we are done with Hakeem Jeffries. We're gonna have press conferences every single night updating the American public on what we're doing and have a split screen, you know, pudding boy whose brain is cooked, stroke victim talking about Hannibal Lecter and then have, you know, Democrats, Chris Van Hollen, Chris Murphy, Senator Warren sitting there spitting facts and saying we're not going to do this. We're going to fight tooth and nail and really putting up a resistance and quit letting these morons control the narrative. So we're in, we're in the same place. I just feel like everybody's out here right now, you know, we're all getting mass abused and these are the big questions that are coming. But I'm 100, 100% with you. We have six months to make our party better. And to the Democrats that get their panties in a wad because other Democrats are getting criticized, you're no different from maga. I mean, one of the earmarks of a cult is they you can't criticize within the cult. And so we have to be the party of free thought. Free thinking, not censoring criticism, because that is the exact opposite of what we want to project. Okay, watch. Tell my listeners where they can find you.
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You can find me on the left hook substack. I'm a terrible capitalist. Everything is free. There's no paywalls. I'm like a non hysterical Blanche dubois. I depend on the kindness of strangers. So if you want to become a paid subscriber, great. If not, it's fine. It's free. Just listen and share the content and I hope it helps. And, and last thing I want to say is someone told me, well, what can we do? We can't do anything. We're helpless. I disagree. I believe again, we have to put the fear of God in these Democrats. We have six months. And I'm telling you, they're looking at the polls and they're seeing in these special elections, Jen, I think people are misreading the special elections. People aren't voting Democrat. These are Trump voters. So pissed off at Donald Trump that they're going to Democrats against Trump, but they're not actually becoming Democrats, which explains why the Democratic party has a lower favorability rating than this rapist Bulgarian. So, Democrats, you better wake up and you better sell us something. And I want a fighter who promises accountability and affordability and gives me specifics. And if you ain't willing to put on those brass knuckles, get the F out. And if you don't get out, we're going to call you.
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Love it. Love it. Go support my buddy and we will see you all soon. Thanks for coming on.
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In this high-energy, emotionally charged episode, Jennifer Welch and Angie Sullivan (aka “Pumps”) dig into breaking news that Donald Trump stole classified documents for “business interests,” as revealed by Special Counsel Jack Smith’s investigation. Joined by journalist and commentator Wajahat Ali, they channel their outrage not just at Trump, but at leading Democrats and the Biden administration for what they see as repeated failures to hold fascism and corruption accountable. The conversation blends insightful political critique, humor, and real talk about the current state of American democracy, particularly highlighting the complicity of establishment Democrats and the dangers looming over the 2026 and 2028 election cycles.
[00:21]
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“When you went to Mar-A-Lago, didn’t you go in and get the motherfucker in bracelets and take him back and throw him in a cell?”
— Angie, [00:57]
[01:40] Wajahat Ali:
Memorable Quote:
“This is what happens. Without any accountability, they were free to literally crime again.”
— Wajahat Ali, [02:25]
[03:25] Jennifer:
Quote:
“You cannot be a Democrat and then say, ‘Oh my God, MAGA’s a cult,’...and then not openly, healthily criticize your political party.”
— Jennifer, [03:30]
[04:38] Wajahat Ali:
Quote:
“When they go low, you take them out by their goddamn knees, which is a very legal UFC fight.”
— Wajahat Ali, [06:22]
[06:57] Jennifer:
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“There’s no question that Chuckles and Hakeem are fascist collaborators.”
— Jennifer, [07:26]
[09:47] Wajahat Ali:
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“It’s a big club and you ain’t in it. And that big club consists of complicit Democrats who take money from AI, Crypto, Palantir, and also AIPAC.”
— Wajahat Ali, [09:47]
[10:57] Wajahat Ali:
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“My fear is, Jen, if we have free and fair elections…I guarantee we will get our first Nazi or first America First Tucker Carlson presidency. Nick Fuentes.”
— Wajahat Ali, [12:12]
[13:27] Jennifer:
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“We have six months to make our party better. And to the Democrats that get their panties in a wad because other Democrats are getting criticized, you’re no different from MAGA.”
— Jennifer, [14:50]
[15:07] Wajahat Ali:
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“Democrats, you better wake up and you better sell us something. And I want a fighter who promises accountability and affordability and gives me specifics.”
— Wajahat Ali, [15:56]
“Why when you went to Mar-A-Lago didn’t you go in and get the motherfucker in bracelets and take him back and throw him in a cell?”
— Angie, [00:57]
“The appointment of Merrick Garland, a human sloth who slow walked for four years what should be per walks... they were free to literally crime again.”
— Wajahat Ali, [01:49]
“If it had been Barack Obama, the black guy that had stolen documents that only six motherfuckers in the entire federal government had seen… what do you think a Republican DOJ would do?”
— Jennifer, [03:58]
“With centrists like these, Jen, who needs MAGA?”
— Wajahat Ali, [11:24]
“If you cannot criticize the Democratic leadership, you’re in a cult. You’re in what I call blue Anon.”
— Wajahat Ali, [05:45]
“I’ve been warning my listeners that we are incubating a President Tucker Carlson or even later in the terms Nick Fuentes…”
— Jennifer, [13:27]
This episode, laced with biting humor and unfiltered language, is a clarion call for Democratic self-examination, sustained activism, and a refusal to accept business as usual in the face of grave existential threats to democracy. Listeners are encouraged to both speak out and organize in the coming critical months, rejecting passivity and complicity within the party.