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Unknown Speaker A
Foreign. We're in a situation in American politics right now where I think everyone is sick to death of propaganda. They have had it up to their eyeballs. And I always lean to look at this New York City mayor mayoral race, because I think it's really fascinating what happened. Zoran Mamdani won a lot of districts that Trump won, and that's a really interesting point of reference. The same thing happened with aoc. She won districts that also Trump won. And we all need to pay attention to this because the Democratic Party is stubborn and wants to stay on the centrist message. The last two elections that we stayed on the centrist message, Hillary Clinton and Kamala Harris, we got our ass beat by a man that speaks like a second grader that can't blend Linda's makeup, that's a convicted felon, cheats on his wife. I can go on and on and on about how incompetent he is. And when Democrats take this populist message to the people, they. People come out in droves for it because that's the problem in America. Wealth inequality. It is not sustainable and very untenable, the system the way it is. And everybody's noticing this. People on the left, people on the right are noticing that if the Democrats actually grow a pair and get rid of Apac pack donations, get rid of being beholden to corporations and lean into grassroots money, they not only win, they win resoundingly. Resoundingly. And Laura Loomer, Trump's number one top advisor, which I could do a whole nother podcast on that entirely. She's noticed this, and I want to put up this tweet, and then I want to talk about what she says. She says to Zoan Mamdani, your mom lets you stay in her $2 million condo in Chelsea. Why are you pandering? You are rich. You are a Nepo baby. This is something that I think is really interesting is people on the right, empathy is so foreign to them that they assume that if you have money or access to money or comfortable or even rich, why on earth wouldn't you fight for your own needs? And Laura Loomer just showed right there how morally depraved she is by saying, if you have money, you have to be a piece of shit. What other option do you have? What Laura Loomer misses is that a lot of people are financially stable but feel a moral calling to fight for the marginalized. They feel that none of us are free until all of us are free. They see that. Like, for example, I come in I have two careers. I do this podcast. I do interiors, interior design, and I do really well for myself. But I don't think I work any harder than an Amazon driver or than a 711 clerk or than a waitress that has two kids. I don't think I work any harder than that person. And the moral superiority that the right feels over people because they have money is so disgusting. And I've had a lot of people in the comment section to us, they assume we're getting paid by the DNC or we're getting paid by George Soros. No, we're just not. That's what it is. And they try to demonize. They're going after AOC right now, saying that, oh, she grew up rich and she's lying about her past, which none of that is true. But they cannot fundamentally understand that if you have means and you have a financial cushion, that you wouldn't just fight for you only in solitaire to have more money yourself. They can't understand empathy at all.
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Unknown Speaker B
Well, I think a lot of that, from my personal experience, that comes from being a Christian, where it is individual relationship with God. You are better if you are a Christian than somebody else. So why would you have a moral compass that guides you to help humanity when they are different than you? Because you are superior and you can sit in judgment of them. So the empathy problem and the evangelical movement in my mind are super intertwined.
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Unknown Speaker A
I. I completely agree, because every evangelical I've ever met lacks empathy entirely. I mean, I tell this story a lot, but my son was on a basketball team. The majority of the kids were black. There were three white kids, my son and then two others. The other two white families sent their kids to a private Christian hate academy. And both parents moved very rapidly to get their kids off the team after about 10 games. And they said they didn't want to feel like they had to pay for black kids. They said that to my face. And I thought, I'm the atheist on this team, and y' all are the big Christians. You even spend $20,000 a year to send your kid to a private Christian school. That's how important your faith is to you. And in this moment, you're just an abject racist. Are you kidding me? So living in the Bible Belt, I have seen that evangelical Christians in particular, and this doesn't extend to black Christians because they had to lean into more the mlk, human rights. But the white evangelical Christian movement is just. I mean, it lacks morals entirely. And being around these people, I literally had a physical Reaction like, I don't want to be in a room with people that treat other human beings this disgustingly because of the color of their skin. Little black basketball players. Ser. I mean, like, how depraved are these people? All right, next up, we have Tucker and Marjorie Taylor Greene commenting on Zoran Mamdani.
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Unknown Speaker C
I was the only person in the New York City mayor's debate to say he wanted to focus on New York City. They were. All the candidates were asked, if you could visit a foreign country, what would it be? And they, of course, all had an answer. I think most said, Israel, great. And he said, I wouldn't go anywhere. I'd stay in New York. And like, if I want to meet Jewish constituents, I go to their synagogues, their homes or whatever. But I'd be here in New York because that's what I'm doing. I'm running New York. That's my job.
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Unknown Speaker A
Well, he gave the right answer.
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Unknown Speaker C
He gave the right answer. He gave the right answer, at least.
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Unknown Speaker B
Wow. Those two together, it's pretty gross. But you know, the thing about it is it kind of piggies back on all of this thing. Number one, they can't understand empathy. And number two, they cannot understand why people of New York City would vote for a brown man. He is not a Christian. He is a brown Muslim. And they don't understand why anybody that's white with money would vote for him. And I find it disgusting.
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Unknown Speaker A
Well, I think what they were talking about right here is the Israel issue and the litmus test that a pack and that trickles down from the immoral Israeli government specifically to the Democratic Party. And in that debate on stage, the interviewer in the mayoral Democratic primary debate asked each candidate, where would you go immediately after you win? And it was Israel, Israel, Israel, Israel. Because they're all going to be beholden to apac money. And Mamdani said, I would stay in New York and I would meet Jewish New Yorkers in their synagogues and their places of worship, on the subway platform, wherever they want to meet to help tackle anti Semitism. He understands that anti Semitism is a huge problem. And this litmus test that is going through all American politicians to put Israel first and then everything trickle down is something that's being exposed on both sides. Now, did Tucker and Marjorie Taylor Greene, are they anti Semitic? Probably, for sure. But the difference is Zoran Mamdani is interesting to me because when. When you have a Democrat that says, I stand for all of these issues, but I have to put Israel first and I won't let anybody criticize the war crimes of Benjamin Netanyahu. That isn't freedom, that isn't protecting all marginalized groups and in my opinion is basically saying, especially to Jews, that if you speak out against this government, you're not Jewish enough. It's depriving them of their autonomy of thought. And AIPAC is fundamentally this thought police and they hold everybody hostage to where if you speak out against the provocations and the war crimes that Israel is conducting right now, you live in fear that you're going to be called an anti Semite. And what pisses me off right now about the Democratic Party is he has fallen prey to massive Islamophobic attacks. And they should all be standing up in unison, calling it out just like they do anti Semitism. But they don't, because they're beholden to aipac. And AIPAC perpetuates the wishes of a corrupt and immoral government that is bombing the shit out of Gaza, bombs, hospitals, schools, kids. And then if you criticize them, you live under this fear that you're going to be called some anti Semite. And it's utter. And even I when you see the right calling that out, this Israel first policy that so many American politicians are beholden to, that's what I'm trying to get to with this larger narrative that the Democrats have raised room here, they have room here to get a massive blue tsunami. When you see the people on the right criticizing what is beholdening and shackling some Democratic politicians that prevented us from getting victory for preventing us from breaking free of all of this propaganda. There's movement here for the Democratic Party to come in and capture a huge economic populist message. And I want to remind everybody the, the most famous Democratic president we ever had was fdr, and he was an economic populist. He was so popular. That's why we have the amendment that limits it to two terms. Because these policies, the economy thrives, the people thrive, everybody's happier and healthier. And here we have, next up, Hakeem Jeffries on Zoran Mamdani.
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Hakeem Jeffries
Civilizing the antifada, by way of example, is not an acceptable phrase. And he's going to have to clarify his position on that as he moves forward. With respect to the Jewish community communities that I represent, I think our nominee is going to have to convince folks that he is prepared to aggressively address the rise in anti Semitism in the city of New York, which has been an unacceptable development.
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Unknown Speaker A
And okay, first of all, he has addressed the rise of anti semitism and it's not performative. It's very, very real. And he understands that it's real. And he has the endorsement of other Jewish politicians that aren't propagandized by a corrupt Israeli government. Hakeem. But secondly, this was your moment, Hakeem, to also stand up against Islamophobia. Because here's the thing about human rights, you guys, you don't get to cherry pick. If you're against anti Semitism, then you have to be against Islamophobia, homophobia, racism, and down the line also class warfare. This war, this bigotry towards poor, poor people is just abhorrent, which disproportionately helps people, hurts people with the color of Hakeem Jeffrey's skin. And so this kind of cherry picking because of. Who donates to Hakeem Jeffries? Aipac. AIPAC donates to Hakeem Jeffries. How on earth right now is the government of Israel helping calm and quell anti Semitism? How? How are they doing it? They're not. They lie and they propagandize and they say we get to do all this stuff with impunity. And then if you criticize us or you do any anything wrong towards us or you speak out against us, then we're going to call you an anti Semite. The people who preach against, against anti Semitism should be joining Zoran Mandami and standing up against the Islamophobic attacks on him. He has not said anything disparaging about Jewish people. He stands with them in solidarity. And this type of crap is so disgusting to me. And it is a cancer within the Democratic Party. And I'm just going to tell you guys something. We lost these last two elections to an idiot because of these centrist policies. And you're being beholden to special interests. And by God, it's not going to happen again. You can either be a part of the problem or a part of the solution. But if you want to try to box us in when we can clearly see with our eyes and clearly hear with our ears exactly what's happening with Israel and Gaza and try to propagandize another way, we're not dumb like Maga. We're not stupid. Your base is smarter and y' all are going to have to adapt or get the out. I just cannot stand this.
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Unknown Speaker B
I completely agree with you. And I do think they're missing an opportunity. They're missing so many opportunities. And to assume that you have to be Jewish to be able to see the attacks on anti Semite like I see the anti. Semitism. I can help. I can be an ally for that. These people, everybody needs to work together, just like you said. And just because he might be Muslim does not mean he cannot understand the Jewish plight because he has the same thing on the other side in the Islamophobia.
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Unknown Speaker A
Why don't they call out the anti Semitism in maga? Exactly. You know what I'm saying? Like, if you're truly against anti Semitism, then call out the anti Semitism and maga. Call it out. It is utterly insane that the burden falls on Democrats, especially like college students that see egregious human rights violations. And historically, college students have always mobilized against war and human rights violations and say that, oh, that's the anti Semites. Meanwhile, you've got a billionaire that wasn't even born in this country doing Nazi salutes high as a kite on ketamine. You've got Nazi flags, you've got Trump pardoning somebody that wears a T shirt that says Camp Auschwitz. They never heard call out that. Do not be fooled into this narrative. It doesn't help the Jewish cause. It doesn't stamp out anti Semitism. You can't stamp out one form of bigotry, but while enabling another, like Islamophobia, all of those bigotries live together in the same space. So we need to be really, really cautious and look to these Democratic leaders that are not defending him. You don't have to agree with all of his policies, but he's fallen prey to just horrific, horrific amounts of Islamophobia.
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Unknown Speaker B
I completely agree. And the thing about it is, why can we not do two things at once? Walk and chew gum. We can protect everybody's right without being super pro Israel. Like, Israel is different than Jewish people, particularly Jewish Americans. And just because they have a government that's going to after innocent civilians does not mean we have to support them and can't support the Jewish people. I, I don't understand it.
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Unknown Speaker A
It would be, It's. It's the same equivalent of I would. I don't want people judging you and me based on what Donald Trump does. Our government is nuts. They're completely psychotic and nuts. They're lawless. It's a crime syndicate. But that doesn't represent me. And the same thing with so many Jewish people, Jewish New Yorkers, Jewish Americans, Jewish people that might happen to live in is they. A lot of people are free thinkers and have autonomy of mind and they disagree with everything that Benjamin Netanyahu is doing. But it's. This is a time in American politics where it's time to just cut through the bullshit, cut through the propaganda and cut through all of these politicians that are so beholden to Israel. We're supposed to be the good guys, right? And to seeing what this man is doing to Gaza and the fact that he got warning about the attack beforehand and just wants to cling on to power. I'm sorry, I'm not down with that, and I'm not down with anti Semitism, and I'm not down with Islamophobia. And they don't get to define what we can critique and what we can't critique. AIPAC doesn't get to define that. We do. We are the free thinkers, and so are many Jews. So are many Muslims. All right. I know that's a lot, but I think it's a very, very important subject. That's all we have for today. And we'll see you all later.