One Year of IMO with Michelle and Craig

Summary

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One Year of IMO with Michelle and Craig

Podcast: IMO with Michelle Obama and Craig Robinson
Host: Higher Ground
Release Date: March 13, 2026

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Episode Overview

This special anniversary episode of “IMO with Michelle and Craig” celebrates the first year of the podcast. Michelle Obama and her brother Craig Robinson reflect on standout conversations, address fan-favorite moments, and revisit memorable advice and stories from their star-studded guest roster. The episode is structured as a curated “bonus” compilation, blending humor, heartfelt discussion, and thoughtful insights—showcasing the sibling duo’s signature blend of warmth, candor, laughter, and honesty.

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Key Themes & Highlights

1. Reflections on Year One ([00:00–01:41])

• Michelle Obama and Craig Robinson open by expressing gratitude to listeners and each other:

  • Michelle: “What I love most about this show is I get to do it with my big brother, Craig.” [00:56]
  • Craig: “There’s no one I would want to have these conversations with than you.” [01:01]

• The episode is a tapestry of favorite segments—both hilarious and profound—from the podcast's inaugural year.

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2. Sibling Stories and Family Dynamics ([01:41–03:34])

• Marlon Wayans and Craig reminisce about childhood scuffles and the role of siblings:
  • Marlon: “My sisters always have my back in that one.” [02:06]
  • Craig: “Kenan used to walk around in kung fu slippers…he was just a beastly Jim Kelly man.” [02:19]
  • The group laughs at the misadventures of siblings acting tough, and the lessons therein about relying on family.

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3. The “Practice of No” and Therapy ([03:34–08:52])

• Michelle Obama opens up about boundary setting and self-worth, examining the difficulty of saying “no”:
  • “I am still trying to tell myself that I am doing enough, right? Because there’s always that feeling….” [04:10]
  • She shares candidly about the pressures faced, especially as a Black woman and as a public figure, and her ongoing journey through therapy:
  • “At 60, I had to convince myself that I had done enough. After all that I had done in the world, I still felt a guilt.” [04:54]
• Michelle discusses the personal toll of public scrutiny—including her decision to skip the presidential inauguration—despite others' assumptions and rumors.
  • “My decision…was met with such ridicule and criticism. Like people couldn't believe I was saying no...They had to assume that my marriage was falling apart.” [06:42]
  • Memorable metaphor: “Women are shock absorbers. And that's exhausting." [07:36]
• Guest Woman and Michelle reinforce the importance of self-care:
  • “It is not healthy.” [08:18]

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4. Controversial Ketchup Opinions ([12:27–15:17])

• Marlon Wayans stirs up laughter with his strict condiment policy:
  • “You should not eat ketchup after the age of eight.” [12:27]
• Michelle and Craig poke holes in Marlon’s “draconian” rule, spotlighting the lighter side of family disagreements:
  • Michelle: “In my attitude, that’s draconian. My gosh.” [13:33]
  • Craig: “There's always ketchup at your house.” [14:20]

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5. Stories of Independence and Resourcefulness ([15:25–24:20])

• Akilah Hughes tells the wild tale of “emancipation” at 13, leaving home with a Rottweiler puppy and savings from entrepreneurial efforts mowing lawns and shoveling snow:
  • “If you came from a Bible-reading, believing family…then you already knew I was finna do what Jesus did.” [15:54]
• Akilah’s journey to Miami, living temporarily in a park, and resourcefulness as a candy seller at school demonstrates grit and humor:
  • Michelle: “So you were the kid that had the nihilators.” [19:36]
  • Akilah: "Money made it possible for me to have that freedom, and I learned that pretty early on." [19:04]
• Michelle offers heartfelt validation:
  • “Your humanity before the show, your honesty throughout your career...has been as impactful to my development as my parents.” [23:09]

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6. Parenting, Money, and Childhood (“Pennies in the Bank”) ([26:18–35:04])

• Guest Man and Michelle share their perspectives on growing up with financial anxiety and responsibility:
  • "I started working when I was 12 to earn money because I was very concerned about my mom's shaky financial footing." [26:18]
  • Discussing the emotional load and the concept of being a "catastrophist": “It’s a fine line between realistic and pessimistic.” [29:55]
• Devon and a Guest Father Figure affirm the immeasurable value of parental presence:
  • “Parenting is pennies in the bank. It's that time when you were working and didn't want to stop, but you did. That made a huge difference to me.” [30:02]
  • “He delighted in our presence...You’re never too poor to be a father.” [31:35, 32:50]
• Michelle reflects on Barack Obama’s effort to leave presidential grandeur at the door to be fully present for their daughters:
  • “It took a mighty effort to leave the grandeur at the door and to just be there and talk about fifth grade.” [34:46]

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7. Chasing Dreams, Redefining Success ([35:24–39:55])

• A young actor (possibly Keke Palmer) and Michelle Obama discuss how success is a journey of many moments, not a single “hit”:
  • “Our legacy is not just that one thing we did...it's the many things that we did.” [36:01]
• Michelle shares her own pivot from law to public service:
  • “I went to Princeton, Harvard Law...I got out, I practiced in a firm for two years, and I was like, I don’t like this at all.” [37:03]
  • “I knew my what, but I didn’t know my why.” [38:23]
• Reinforcing the idea that life is about chapters, not singular achievements.

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8. Black Jeopardy! – Sibling Showdown ([45:49–54:32])

• A highlight segment with Marlon Wayans as host, featuring Michelle and Craig as rivals in a live Black Jeopardy! game, riffing on Black culture, family inside jokes, and sibling memories. Standout exchanges:
  • Marlon: “A friend who says they don’t do seasoning is also…what?”
    Craig: “Not of colorful pigmentation.” [47:29] Michelle: “Not invited back to my house.” [47:44]
  • Marlon: “What does ‘she ate and left no crumbs’ mean?”
    Michelle: “She told you off and left you with your mouth hanging…” [47:59]
• Jokes about house slippers as weapons, “mama’s potato salad,” and classic Black parental lines:
  • Michelle: “You about to get your butt whooped.” [50:33] (On getting called by your full name)
  • Marlon: “Barack hit you with the ‘Now let me be clear…’ What’s coming next?”
    Michelle: “A 20 minute answer to a question.” [54:02]

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9. Generational Change, Dating, and Modern Womanhood ([43:53–44:58])

• Guest Woman and Michelle explore the evolution of dating, autonomy, and the backdrop of generational change around Roe v. Wade:
  • “I’m one of the first generations of choice…that has shifted…and I do think that’s gonna change dating for women so much.” [44:29]
  • “Even with…the protection of Roe v. Wade, I still was coming up against the cultural norms of being a choiceful woman…” [44:58]

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Notable Quotes

• Michelle Obama:
  • “Women are shock absorbers. And that’s exhausting.” [07:36]
  • “I had to convince myself that I had done enough.” [04:54]
  • “Your humanity before the show…has been as impactful to my development as my parents.” [23:09]
• Craig Robinson:
  • “There’s no one I would want to have these conversations with than you.” [01:01]
• Marlon Wayans:
  • “You should not eat ketchup after the age of eight.” [12:27]
• Devon:
  • “Parenting is pennies in the bank.” [30:02]
• Guest Father Figure:
  • “You’re never too poor to be a father.” [32:50]
• Akilah Hughes:
  • “Money made it possible for me to have that freedom, and I learned that pretty early on.” [19:04]
• Young Actor (possibly Keke Palmer):
  • “Our legacy is not just that one thing we did…it’s the many things that we did.” [36:01]

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Memorable Moments & Timestamps

• [01:41] – Sibling fight stories: The kung fu slippers incident
• [03:34] – Michelle opens up about therapy and boundaries post-White House
• [12:27] – The “Ketchup after age eight” debate
• [15:25] – Adolescence, emancipation, and Rottweilers: Akilah’s Miami story
• [26:18] – Catastrophism, financial anxiety, and parenthood
• [30:02] – “Pennies in the bank”: What matters in parenting
• [35:24] – Learning from failures, redefining achievement
• [45:49] – Black Jeopardy! with Michelle, Craig, and Marlon
• [54:02] – Barack’s “Now let me be clear…” = TED talk joke

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Closing

The episode functions as both an anniversary celebration and a time capsule of the podcast’s blend of familial warmth, hard-earned wisdom, irreverent humor, and cultural specificity. It highlights the evolution of Michelle and Craig’s advice—reminding listeners that growth, self-acceptance, and laughter are ongoing journeys, best done with each other and the community in tow.

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Transcript

[Michelle Obama]

Foreign. This episode is brought to you by shipt. Hey everyone. Our podcast IMO has officially reached its first anniversary and this past year has been filled with so much fun and so many special moments. From Heart to Hearts with Taraji P. Henson, to the complexities of parent child relationships with Bruce Springsteen, hilarious sibling stories with Damon and Marlon Wayans, and even a controversial opinion on ketchup from my husband. The first year of IMO has brought us some truly unforgettable moments. And while these conversations have given us the opportunity to connect with some of our favorite people and share our perspectives with each of you, what I love most about this show is I get to do it with my big brother, Craig.

[Craig Robinson]

Aw, you're sweet, Mish.

[Michelle Obama]

I am.

[Craig Robinson]

This year has been life changing and there's no one I would want to have these conversations with than you. To our IMO listeners, thank you for joining us on this journey. I can't wait for what year two of IMO will bring.

[Michelle Obama]

And make sure you follow IMO wherever you get your podcast so you can get new episodes as soon as they drop every Wednesday. And we can't wait for you to tune in.

[Craig Robinson]

And don't forget to subscribe to our newsletter for the Latest [e-mail] We hope you enjoy this special bonus episode made up of some of our favorite moments from the first year of imo.

[Marlon Wayans]

You know what's funny is we didn't. I didn't go get my brothers when I got.

[Craig Robinson]

I would get my sisters. Yeah, yeah. My sisters was vicious.

[Devon]

Devon.

[Michelle Obama]

Yeah, Devon.

[Craig Robinson]

One time this kid, Baldy Joe was beating me up and he was like

[Marlon Wayans]

a 16 year old kid.

[Craig Robinson]

And my sister had cornrow, 250 pounds. She said, come here.

[Marlon Wayans]

And she grabbed him by his arms

[Craig Robinson]

like this and she said, marlon, punch him in the face.

[Devon]

I was like, devon, he gonna beat me. She said, if you don't punch him, I'm gonna punch you.

[Marlon Wayans]

I was like, bow. And you know my sisters always, always have my back in that one.

[Craig Robinson]

I didn't get my brother cause I saw Kenan get beat up

[Akilah Hughes]

like badly.

[Craig Robinson]

Like. So Kenan used to walk around in kung fu slippers like he watched. He was just a beastly Jim Kelly man. And he loved nunchucks. He would have like. And he was really good. He would kick the ceiling. And then one day he got into a fight with this dude, Bobby Boyd in the, in the building, in the lobby of the building. And Kenan, you know, everybody's like oh snap.

[Michelle Obama]

Because he was gonna do the karate yeah, yeah.

[Craig Robinson]

And then Kenan went to take off his shirt. Oh, man.

[Marlon Wayans]

And the dude snatched him, like, with his shadow clothes.

[Craig Robinson]

Oh, man, that was one. And just pummeled him. And, like, Kenan was on the floor.

[Michelle Obama]

Oh, no.

[Craig Robinson]

And there was, like, blood seeping through his shirt. And I'm like, get up, Keenan.

[Marlon Wayans]

Use your nose.

[Michelle Obama]

You can do it.

[Guest Musician]

You can do it.

[Michelle Obama]

Untangle your arms from your shirt. Oh, no.

[Craig Robinson]

This guy you looked up. If you do, make sure you take his shirt off.

[Michelle Obama]

It's like, oh, man. Bruce Lee didn't warn him about that. Don't lock yourself up in your shirt.

[Akilah Hughes]

You know, oh, man.

[Craig Robinson]

Bruce Lee didn't wear pullovers.

[Michelle Obama]

You know, when I hear you talk about the practice, what I'll call the practice of no. Cause you're absolutely right. And I know that everyone struggles with disappointing people, with trying to set boundaries, but I particularly relate to what you were saying about. It takes you a while before you maybe as a woman, as a black woman, where we feel comfortable saying no, sitting here thinking, well, why is that? And why was that for me, because this is something that I am working on right now. You know, like you, I have believed in therapy my whole life. You know, done couples therapy with my husband. Both my girls are. They believe in therapy this generation. Thankfully. I think our children, more open, are way more open to it. They understand the importance of self help and all of that. I also sort of realized that, you know, even Michelle Obama, I am still trying to tell myself that I am doing enough, right? Because there's always that feeling. I think we practice that striving because in order to be successful, I always felt like I had to be smarter, faster, work harder, because somebody was gonna doubt me. Somebody was already telling me why I couldn't do something before they knew me or even tried. So you get in. And I don't think this is unique to just women of color. I don't think it's just unique to men. But when you get in that habit of that constant striving and constant proving that, you know, it's enough, it makes us overachievers, but you don't ever turn that off. And at 60, I was still. I had to convince myself that I had done enough. After all that I had done in the world, I still felt a guilt, right? Struggling with, like, deep guilt that maybe, maybe I needed to do a little bit more. So I'm at this stage in life where I have to define my life on my terms for the first time. So what are those terms? And going to therapy just to work all that out. Like, what happened that eight years that we were in the White House? What did that do to me internally? My soul. We made it through. We got out alive. I hope we made the country proud. My girls, thank God, are whole. But what happened to me. Right, right, right. And going through therapy, you know, is getting me to look at the fact that maybe finally I'm good enough. Right. And unlearning some of those messages that I've been saying to myself and then trying to actively practice something different to rewire those neurons in my head that make me keep pushing and keep striving. And so practicing. No, in a very different way, intentionally. But then this is what makes it hard. Because my decision to skip the inauguration, what people don't realize, or my decision to make choices at the beginning of this year that suited me were met with such ridicule and criticism. Like people couldn't believe that I was saying no for any other reason that they had to assume that I, my marriage was falling apart. You know, it's like while I'm here, really trying to own my life and intentionally practice making the choice that was right for me. And it took everything in my power to not do the thing that was right or that was. That was perceived as right, but do the thing that was right for me. That was a hard thing for me to do. I had to basically trick myself out of it. And it started with not having anything to wear. I mean, I had affirmatively. Cause I'm always prepared for any funeral, anything. I walk around with the right dress. I travel with clothes just in case something pops off. So I was like, if I'm not going to do this thing, I gotta tell my team. I don't even wanna have a dress ready. Right. Because it's so easy to just say, let me do the right thing. But then you become a shock absorber. Yeah. And that's what women are, shock absorbers. And that's exhausting.

[Guest Woman]

And it's not healthy.

[Michelle Obama]

It is not healthy. You've had to be shock absorbers for your husband, for your children, for your mom, for your family, your loved ones, because of where you were sitting in the public eye. That's not fair to you. When do you ever get to live? For you. I applaud you. I am. I'm happy that you are taking care of yourself in the way that you need to. Yeah.

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[Michelle Obama]

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[Marlon Wayans]

In my opinion, and this is controversial in my family, you should not eat ketchup after the age of eight.

[Craig Robinson]

Is that all condiments or just ketchup?

[Marlon Wayans]

No, no, it's just ketchup.

[Michelle Obama]

I think you've gone down in age on that one. You know, I think every time you say it, you make it younger and younger and pretty soon it'll be like.

[Craig Robinson]

And I'm hoping we don't have a

[Marlon Wayans]

ketchup sponsor on this show.

[Craig Robinson]

Well, we won't now.

[Michelle Obama]

We won't.

[Marlon Wayans]

I have nothing.

[Michelle Obama]

We here at IMO have nothing against ketchup.

[Marlon Wayans]

I have nothing against kids having ketchup. Ketchup on their burgers. Ketchup with their fries even, which is hard for me to watch ketchup on hot dogs. But at a certain point.

[Michelle Obama]

But why so young?

[Marlon Wayans]

You gotta kinda grow it.

[Michelle Obama]

Why you cutting the people off of ketchup so young? Dude, that's what we take issue with in our household.

[Marlon Wayans]

I might be a little too draconian.

[Michelle Obama]

I think in my attitude, that's draconian. My gosh.

[Marlon Wayans]

I'm trying to describe a general point of view, which is ketchup has its place, but you should go.

[Craig Robinson]

But it sounds like you're saying ketchup is childish.

[Marlon Wayans]

No, what I'm saying is. What I'm saying is that when I see a grown person pouring a lot

[Michelle Obama]

of ketchup on something, is it the amount of ketchup? Is it just ketchup at all, the

[Craig Robinson]

ketchup or even if you have a dollop.

[Marlon Wayans]

I told you this was controversial in my family.

[Craig Robinson]

I see.

[Marlon Wayans]

But I figured I'm coming in here hot.

[Michelle Obama]

Well, and now you know that. In addition to, like, clicking my teeth along this straw to get on your nerves. I just have a dollop of ketchup.

[Craig Robinson]

Ketchup. Right.

[Michelle Obama]

At every meal. Just to be like.

[Craig Robinson]

That explains a lot. Because there's always ketchup at your house.

[Michelle Obama]

Yes. So it's not like we're battling against the man.

[Craig Robinson]

It's not forbidden.

[Michelle Obama]

We are trying to live our lives with ketchup. The freedom for ketchup. He's the only one everybody else is fine with.

[Marlon Wayans]

In fact, the girls have all these complicated. Oh, you mix it up with this.

[Craig Robinson]

Oh, yeah.

[Michelle Obama]

It hasn't rubbed off. He's had.

[Craig Robinson]

No, we have that in our house.

[Michelle Obama]

There's no. There's no no one's following his lead.

[Craig Robinson]

Okay. Okay. That was. That's a tough one.

[Michelle Obama]

It's never hard. It's harsh.

[Craig Robinson]

It is. It's hard.

[Marlon Wayans]

It might have been overly harsh.

[Craig Robinson]

I mean, I. I know, but every

[Michelle Obama]

time he says it, the age goes down.

[Craig Robinson]

Your mother.

[Michelle Obama]

The age goes down.

[Marlon Wayans]

I used to.

[Michelle Obama]

Everybody likes ketchup. It's like the cutoff. It's like now we're at.

[Craig Robinson]

Now you got it down.

[Michelle Obama]

We got it down to eight. I'm just thinking that the poor children, like, that's all they. They don't even want the ketchup is the.

[Marlon Wayans]

Everything else is the median delivery system.

[Michelle Obama]

It's the delivery system now. You're just, you know, just taking it. But we appreciate your opinion.

[Marlon Wayans]

There you go.

[Michelle Obama]

I want to get back to. Because one thing I didn't ask about child you were. You were emancipated at 13. Is that.

[Akilah Hughes]

I've read that.

[Michelle Obama]

Yeah. Have you read that? A bunch of stuff.

[Craig Robinson]

I've read that. A bunch of stuff.

[Michelle Obama]

Tell us more about. It's not often that, you know.

[Guest Man]

And at 13.

[Michelle Obama]

And what led to that? Did you just walk out the door? Did you just say, hey, okay, thank you, everyone. I'm gonna take all my books and I'm on my own.

[Akilah Hughes]

I don't know how to put this without sounding facetious, but if. If you came from a Bible reading believing family. Yeah. Then you already knew I was finna do what Jesus did.

[Craig Robinson]

Okay.

[Michelle Obama]

Bounce.

[Craig Robinson]

Okay.

[Akilah Hughes]

Now go find a temple to turn over tables like this is. This is the life of a Christian revolutionary.

[Craig Robinson]

I gotta tell you way ahead of me because even if I wanted to leave at 13, I wouldn't have had the nerve to do it, nor the wherewithal that I could do it.

[Akilah Hughes]

It was a terrible idea. Okay. All right.

[Craig Robinson]

Here we go.

[Akilah Hughes]

I don't talk about it because I don't want any young person to hear that and think that it's possible or

[Michelle Obama]

that they can pull it off. Hearing that it's terrible is useful.

[Akilah Hughes]

But it wasn't. I just.

[Craig Robinson]

It wasn't terrible.

[Akilah Hughes]

Oh, no, of course not. I'm the adventurer in this story. Are you kidding me? Okay. Hold me now, sir. I'm grown, got a mustache and a cigarette. I'm 12. Welcome. That was my.

[Michelle Obama]

I'm picturing little cat. Did you have the stick in your. Your goods and a little her, chief?

[Akilah Hughes]

No.

[Michelle Obama]

Did you walk out with suitcase?

[Akilah Hughes]

I had a full suitcase and a rottweiler puppy.

[Michelle Obama]

So you left with that.

[Akilah Hughes]

Destined for failure, it's like.

[Michelle Obama]

And of Dependent.

[Akilah Hughes]

I'm taking a responsibility.

[Michelle Obama]

Exactly. It's like, man, and I'll take this puppy. So where'd you go? Where was the first place you and your puppy. Rottweiler puppy went when you left your house?

[Akilah Hughes]

Miami, Florida.

[Michelle Obama]

You went to a whole nother state.

[Akilah Hughes]

That was always the thing. How to. I went to a truck stop.

[Craig Robinson]

Oh.

[Michelle Obama]

The best place to go. Wow.

[Akilah Hughes]

Because everybody's going out of here. And so then I checked license plates because I was looking for a warm destination, and I was hoping for LA or California, but Miami presented itself, and the guy let me and the Rottweiler puppy get in the back part of the empty truck, and he would stop every once in a while.

[Michelle Obama]

Did you have any money? How'd you take the Rottweiler puppy?

[Akilah Hughes]

I was loaded. I must have had $1,200. And you could not have told me that I was loaded. Million.

[Craig Robinson]

Oh, yes. How'd you get all this money?

[Akilah Hughes]

So the only thing I was allowed to do, I was allowed to cut grass in the summer, and I was allowed to shovel snow in the winter. So I probably had 60 clients on each.

[Michelle Obama]

And you were an entrepreneur?

[Akilah Hughes]

I own the lawnmower and the shovels. Wow. And so me having money just gave me the ability to not have to wear the clothes that my parents wanted me to wear to school. I could wear that out, go change, get into something fly and presentable for school. And then, like, I was living multiple lives, but the money made it possible for me to have that freedom, and I learned that pretty early on.

[Michelle Obama]

What was your alter ego with your money? When you went to school, were you one way at home because you were dressing different? And then you took your lawnmower money and went to school in your whatever. Who were you?

[Akilah Hughes]

I had a relationship with the candy lady. So I was in sales already, and I was buying at a wonderful price, upselling and supplying schoolmates with candy.

[Michelle Obama]

So you were that kid. You were the kid that had the nihilators.

[Akilah Hughes]

Plus, I had money, so I didn't have to. I was able to treat the women that I liked nice. Really nice. And I learned that supplying happiness to people.

[Michelle Obama]

So you were money Mike Early.

[Akilah Hughes]

Yes. Yeah. Money Micah.

[Guest Musician]

Yeah.

[Michelle Obama]

Is that where your character came from? Money Micah? You were practicing that at 13.

[Akilah Hughes]

It seems like it's all planned out, but, you know, God showed me early on that there was this pathway, and I wasn't really certain of how to make sure that I was on it or, well, behaving.

[Craig Robinson]

So you get to Miami.

[Akilah Hughes]

Yep. So we get to Miami.

[Michelle Obama]

With your puppy?

[Akilah Hughes]

Yeah, yeah. This trip probably only took us maybe three days at the most.

[Marlon Wayans]

Maybe two.

[Akilah Hughes]

It was a really nice ride, but there. So I'm there. And I just had never seen a place so big with so many different neighborhoods and a different culture and ethnicity every three blocks. And it was really, really a bit of a culture shock. But I found a place in Coconut Grove at a park, and that's where I made my residence. And it was across the street from a library. And so I would. Eight hours a day, I would be in a library reading.

[Michelle Obama]

And so you just camped out?

[Akilah Hughes]

Literally.

[Michelle Obama]

Literally. Did you buy a tent with your money?

[Akilah Hughes]

No, ma'.

[Craig Robinson]

Am.

[Michelle Obama]

So you're just laying out on the grass with your puppy, a 13 year old.

[Akilah Hughes]

No, no, no.

[Michelle Obama]

And going across the street to the library.

[Akilah Hughes]

Set segment of population that this was kind of a. In the homeless world. This was kind of a gated community. This park by the. With a marina behind it, so you can't encroach. And it's in Coconut Grove. So, yeah, I was able to purchase a brand new mattress the first day I was going to have to sleep. So I never slept on the ground or anything. And remember, my clothes are all dress clothes. I only have slacks and white shirts and ties.

[Michelle Obama]

Like, is anybody. Like, I'm just trying to picture this.

[Craig Robinson]

I can't. I can't picture any of this.

[Michelle Obama]

Like, and I'm still like, are you telling the truth? Are you joking? Because I'm like, still trying to picture you. You went and bought a mattress. How'd you get the mattress to the park? I mean, I just. They brought it, they delivered. Oh, you went to a store and you had them deliver your mattress to the park?

[Akilah Hughes]

There's a homeless hierarchy. In the place that I was at, there was a guy who was in charge of whether or not you got to be there or not.

[Michelle Obama]

And how did you convince him that you should be there?

[Akilah Hughes]

I didn't. I've lived. I have a presence.

[Michelle Obama]

Yes, you do.

[Akilah Hughes]

And I'm one of the people that doesn't have ulterior motives. And most people I found do. But even at that age, I didn't have any.

[Craig Robinson]

And as far as we're concerned, you're in our family.

[Michelle Obama]

Oh, I feel that way, Carol. Really? I mean, just sitting here and talking about that path, I mean, I don't think. Well, you must hear this all the time, but, um, you know, we, we have, we. We had a happy, beautiful family. Right. Um, but your talent, your gifts, the structure of your show, how you showed up in it. Um, like Craig said, you know, your humanity before the show, your honesty throughout your career, I mean, that kind of stuff is. Has been as impactful to my development as my parents. Right. Because that's the role modeling. You know, you see a smart woman, because what is clear through this is that you've always been that woman. Smart, courageous, bold. And you just brought that to your show. And that came into our living rooms as part of an important experience of seeing. Seeing what you could be.

[Marlon Wayans]

You're gonna make me cry.

[Michelle Obama]

Oh, thank you. I'm so touched and moved. You mean the world to us. Thank you. And thank you. You know what I wanna do? What I wanna sing. It's so nice we had this time together.

[Akilah Hughes]

I love it.

[Michelle Obama]

Just to have a laugh or sing a song. Seems we just get started and before,

[Craig Robinson]

you know it comes the time we

[Michelle Obama]

have to say, so long.

[Craig Robinson]

Oh, all these youngsters have no idea what we're doing. Oh, thank you.

[Devon]

Thank you.

[Craig Robinson]

I've got chills. We played a summer tournament about two hours away. And as I think back, I wish we had considered staying in an Airbnb home instead of staying at a hotel. We would have had an opportunity to eat together, watch film together, as well as control the curfew of a bunch of 13 year old boys. I also think that it would have given our parents a break from their children. As you can imagine, coming together as a team outside of the game is as important as what you do on the court. And having the ability to hang out together at an Airbnb would have given us that extra opportunity to bond. And if you're thinking about the big tournaments that come into your town, now is a great time to think about hosting fellow fans and players during the season.

[Guest Man]

I mean, as a kid, I was very concerned about stability. And my mom. My mom was an amazing person, but she was not very parental. And my dad had died. And I very much wanted to know what was happening. And I used to read my mom's journal. I used to monitor her phone calls when I was a kid. Like, I wanted to know what was coming down the pike. And I started working when I was 12 to earn money because I was very concerned about my mom's on shaky financial footing. And even though the world probably thought she was super rich, but she spent a lot of money and had no sense of money. And I knew this from a little kid. And I remember I was actually walking up the stairs one day and my mom was on the phone and she said she was talking to somebody on the phone, she said, well, I'll always be able to make money. And I stopped. And I was like, this ship is going down. If she thinks she's always going to

[Akilah Hughes]

be able to do this, like.

[Michelle Obama]

And how old were you when you heard that?

[Guest Man]

I was, like, 12.

[Michelle Obama]

So you knew?

[Guest Man]

Yeah, I knew. I knew early on.

[Michelle Obama]

Were you the oldest?

[Guest Man]

No, I was the. I was the youngest. My brother was two years older. And. But he wasn't as, like, focused on this as much as I was. I was really determined. And, yeah, I started. I mean, it was ridiculous. I started working as a child model at 12 to like, to help. I mean, not that they. You know, I wasn't. I was saving the money because I was like, I'm going to need to. I'm building a life raft here. But she was remarkable. And I was always very sympathetic to my mom. Cause she really didn't have parents of her own. She was kind of. Her dad died when she was an infant. She was raised in hotels in Europe by her mom, who just wanted to party. She was the subject of a vicious custody battle when she was 10 years old. It was called the trial of the century in the Depression. And I kind of saw a sadness behind my mom's eyes her whole life. And I. I didn't understand what the sadness was from, but I was sympathetic to her. And so even if she wasn't the most kind of mom. Mom, I viewed her as a. I mean, from the time I was little, I viewed her as like a space alien whose rocket ship had, like, you know, failed and landed here on Earth by accident. And it was my job to, like, help her, like, rent an apartment and learn how to breathe oxygen, basically.

[Craig Robinson]

That's a level of worry that most young people.

[Michelle Obama]

Yeah, but look who's talking about bringing that down. I listen to you and I think about him, really. And he's the oldest. I think you called it catastrophic.

[Guest Man]

Yeah, I was a catastrophist.

[Michelle Obama]

He was a catastrophist at that age. In the same way that you were, you know, really thinking, okay, all the worst possible scenarios. And I think he felt like the one that had to know it all. He was going to be you.

[Guest Man]

That's interesting.

[Michelle Obama]

Like, if things fell apart, if our dad ever could never function, then Craig was the one who was going to make sure.

[Guest Man]

The title of this book my mom and I wrote together, which ended up being basically our correspondence over the course of the year, was the Rainbow Comes and Goes, which is from a Wordsworth poem. And it was a poem my mom liked, and for her it meant, well, the rainbow comes and goes. It's always going to come back. And so, like, bright days are just ahead. They're just around the corner. The phone can ring and your whole life can change. And for me, the title was like, yeah, the rainbow comes and it goes.

[Michelle Obama]

Right? And it's.

[Guest Man]

And yeah, the phone can ring and your whole frigging life can change. Like, I saw it from a negative lens and she saw it. She, like, could not. It was so such an interesting kind of different way of saying it's realistic.

[Craig Robinson]

Yes. You're just trying to be realistic. Just cover all the bases in case something happens.

[Guest Man]

It's a fine line between realistic and pessimistic, I think.

[Michelle Obama]

But I think you two fell on

[Guest Man]

the pessimistic side somewhere in the istic family.

[Devon]

But I realized that parenting is pennies in the bank. It's that time when you were working and you didn't want to stop, but you did. That made a huge difference to me because if I'd have failed, I always felt if I'd have failed with my kids, I would have failed tremendously in life.

[Guest Father Figure]

I like what you said, that parenting is pennies in the bank. And that just resonates because I think of, you know, I think of my upbringing and I talked about it a lot. You know, we were working class, poor working class family. Father was a city worker. He did not make a lot of money. He did not have a title. He was not famous. He wouldn't be on a regular schedule. We could go for a week and not see him because he was working a shift. But when he was present, he was present in very small but meaningful ways.

[Devon]

That's wonderful.

[Guest Father Figure]

Something as simple. You know, I recall like the special treat before dinner, if he was there or after dinner, was that we get him to play a game, any kind of game, you know, a tickle game, a card game.

[Michelle Obama]

And it just felt like such a

[Guest Father Figure]

treat that this big important man who had all this responsibility.

[Devon]

Yeah.

[Guest Father Figure]

Got on the floor and played with us.

[Devon]

Yeah.

[Guest Father Figure]

He delighted in our presence.

[Devon]

Yeah. That's wonderful.

[Guest Father Figure]

You know, and what I tell a lot of parents is that a lot of times we work for money and things because especially if you're poor, you think, well, I. If I could give my kids more, we could live in a bigger house. If I could put them in the best schools, if I could give them the nicest sneakers. Right, right. That. That is going to replace it. But it's the pennies in the bank that matter. And everybody's got some pennies. You know, kids don't need the stuff. They just want the pennies, you know, Very important. And I think a lot of men lose sight of the fact that a lot of what they're working towards is just their goals and ambition, you know, And I think men should have that. I think everyone, men, women, people, have to have their own lives and their own ambitions, but have it and say, that's for you. But your kids, they just want pennies.

[Devon]

They want the pennies.

[Guest Father Figure]

They really do.

[Devon]

They do. Yeah.

[Guest Father Figure]

Yeah. You're never too poor to be a father.

[Devon]

No. To give, you know, time and attention, you know, artists, the worst. The worst. So self involved, you know. Oh, my God. You know, you get so caught up in your own. Your own inner world, you know, because that's where you sought refuge, you know, when. When things weren't working out when you were younger, you sought refuge in this inner world.

[Guest Father Figure]

I think the point you're making is that, you know, it's. It's easy to get lost in the grandeur of your life.

[Devon]

Exactly. Of yourself.

[Michelle Obama]

Of yourself.

[Devon]

I had to deal with a lot of the grandeur of myself.

[Guest Father Figure]

Yeah. You know, because that's the thing everybody's taught to pursue, you know, it's like that's. That's the brass ring. And that's why parenting is a. Is a. It's a group sport, big time. And I think Barack is just like you, is a tremendous father, doing it in a lot of grandeur. Right. Yeah. You're the commander in chief of the

[Michelle Obama]

United States of America.

[Guest Father Figure]

And so finding that. That balance of, you know, when you've got the nuclear code in your grasp and world leaders calling you and big, important, heavy decisions coming at you every day and valets and AIDS and on and on and security and. Oh, it's just all grandeur. Trying to wipe all that stuff away and leave it at the door before you enter. Before he would enter the residence of the White House to sit at a dinner table with his two daughters and only talk about them.

[Devon]

Right.

[Guest Father Figure]

It was important for both of us for me and Barack to carve out that time in those eight years when our girls were in their formative years, you know.

[Devon]

Yeah.

[Guest Father Figure]

They've lived longer, Malia and Sasha, in the White House than they've lived in any house.

[Devon]

That's amazing.

[Guest Father Figure]

They were formed in that house and around that table in that residence. And it took a mighty effort to leave the grandeur at the door and to just be there and talk about fifth grade. And, you know, even in my job,

[Devon]

you know, it's like, hey, you're on the road. You're king.

[Young Actor]

So I remember when I did a Killing the Bee, everybody kept saying, this movie is going to be a hit. This movie's going to bust it out. This is. You gonna be a. And, like, it's such an elusive thing.

[Michelle Obama]

Cause what's the star? You know what I mean? And how old were you then?

[Young Actor]

I was 11.

[Michelle Obama]

11.

[Young Actor]

And they were like, this is cute. And I'm like.

[Michelle Obama]

It's like, really?

[Young Actor]

Whatever that is Michael Jackson now, you know, like, it was like, cute. And then the movie came in and did so terrible in the box office.

[Michelle Obama]

Although that was one of my favorite movies. And then.

[Young Actor]

And then another thing about it is, like, over time, it grew to be

[Michelle Obama]

my most popular film.

[Young Actor]

And the thing that people most know me for, but I use that as an example in this is because our life is made up many moments. It's not made like our legacy is not just that one thing we did. You know, it's the many things that we did. And so like Akilah and the BE was always there for people to come to and remember my work. And it grew over time amongst all the things I did. But I remember feeling in that moment being like, everybody lied to me. You know what I mean? I felt like when my mom told me I was gonna be a big girl at 5, I still didn't get big. I was like, now wait a minute, I'm still.

[Michelle Obama]

It's like, what is it shorter than y'?

[Craig Robinson]

All.

[Michelle Obama]

It sounds like big girl just means I can't be a baby.

[Young Actor]

Exactly.

[Michelle Obama]

This don't seem right, how I felt

[Young Actor]

with the Aquila thing. And so. But what I learned and what I never did to myself after that was to expect an outcome, to be proud of the work, to be happy that I got the job or the thing that I wanted to get. Or did the. But not to make it mean that it is only that if I receive a certain achievement. No, it's that to me. And that has to be enough. So that's the one thing I thought about when that happened.

[Michelle Obama]

Well, that makes me think. I mean, I share this all the time. I mean, I went to Princeton, Harvard Law, because I thought I was gonna be a lawyer and a corporate lawyer. I didn't know anything about what a lawyer did. I didn't come. Our family was. We were not professional people. I picked law because it was the next thing to do. I applied. I got into Harvard. You get into Harvard you go, right. That was the extent of my thinking. Right. And then I got out. I practiced in a firm for two years, and I was like, I don't like this at all. I'm not, you know, because corporate law is about. It's papers and briefs, it's research. It's not very people oriented, especially in your early years. It just. I had no idea what corporate law was. Right. And I had wonderful mentors. People supported me. I was able to achieve and do good things in that year, but I didn't know what that felt like. I did not want to be a lawyer. Yeah. As it turns out, after all that education and all those loans. But to your point, it was all them loans that we just paid off before Barack went to the White House.

[Young Actor]

Okay.

[Michelle Obama]

So, I mean, we were carrying debt, you know, for a very long time for me not to be a lawyer. But to your point, I had no idea what that was gonna mean and what that was gonna feel like. It was just a goal that I set for myself. I didn't even know what it was based on. I didn't know my why. I knew my what, but I didn't know my why. And I could have felt like a failure for it. Right. But I didn't. Fortunately, I had parents. I was like, let me try on some other things. Like, to your point, there are chapters in life that was a chapter I needed to do that and know that and understand that. And I went on to have many, many chapters. And I'm still glad that I got my law degree the way I think, you know, how I see the world is very much influenced by that education. Yes. But it wasn't who I was supposed to be. And there's no way I would have known that had I not tried it and then moved on from it and tried on some other thing. So for Noelle, they're just that life is about the chapters. You know, it's never any one thing. And to place too much stock or put too much emotion on one or two achievements, it always sets you up for disappointment, because life is bigger than that.

[Craig Robinson]

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[Michelle Obama]

Before we go, I wanna hear my song. Which one?

[Guest Musician]

Okay, here it is. It's so good. It's so good. This is the best one. Here it is. And it goes a little bit like this. Now don't clap because I'll go off rhythm. Because I'm just. I've written some say people, baby, when the white people chime in on the rhythm, I want you to know something.

[Craig Robinson]

Now cut this part out. We want to keep our white audience.

[Guest Musician]

Listen, I love my white people.

[Craig Robinson]

I do.

[Michelle Obama]

But y' all just when we start

[Guest Musician]

doing things, just sit still, still. Now there's Ms. Diane Carroll, Lena Horn, and Eartha Kit. They stayed on top for ages, but their looks never quit. Now when white women get older, their skin gets creased in line. But because of my race, look at my face. Soft as a baby's behind. Because black don't cry. I tell you, black don't crack. Now Cardi B and Beyonce certainly know how to make a buck. But being sued for fights or on Grammy nights. They don't need no nip and tuck. Now Harriet's got her railroad. Sojourner's got her truth. So Kamala Harris and Jasmine Crockett could be a choice at the voting booth. Oprah Winfrey's got her billions and Michelle's got Obama. And I still look good out in Hollywood playing everybody's mama. I take the pie, don't cry. So white girl, get your facelifts to your foreheads on your back. Cause I'll be having fun out in the sun. Cause baby black don't. And then Chaka Khan. That's the orchestra going.

[Michelle Obama]

Shaka Khan Dun girl gotta love it.

[Guest Woman]

The thing is, I stay open. I'm probably way open.

[Michelle Obama]

Oh, my God.

[Guest Woman]

That sounded so wrong.

[Michelle Obama]

I didn't mean that, Mom My heart. Your family. My heart.

[Guest Woman]

Stick open.

[Michelle Obama]

More open than it should.

[Guest Woman]

Yes.

[Akilah Hughes]

Yeah, that's hard.

[Michelle Obama]

More open than it.

[Guest Woman]

Than it should be. But I do date, and it's a fascinating adventure out there. You know, mostly, though, I think there's really good men out there. I think, to a certain extent, I'm a very unique sort of unicorn of a woman.

[Michelle Obama]

You are.

[Guest Woman]

So it's gonna take a unique person. And in the meantime, I have really learned how to live my life and enjoy it and not sit around waiting. I come. You know, I was saying to someone recently that I'm one of the first generations of choice, and it's not anymore, which really, there was a window, and that has shifted. And I do think that that's gonna change dating for women so much.

[Michelle Obama]

When you mean you've been the sort of the product of choice. Yeah.

[Guest Woman]

Like the assumption of Roe v. Wade and the ability for a woman to find her own delight and pleasure and choice around how she navigates dating or how one would navigate dating. And we are in a different world now, and I'm curious what that will look like. It frightens me for younger girls because of many reasons, obviously. But even with the systemic protection of Roe v. Wade, I still was coming up against the cultural norms of being a choiceful woman and owning my own body and my own choices and what it is that I'm looking for in a relationship and the ability to negotiate in a relationship what it is you want the relationship to be between the two of you, as opposed to what society says it should be.

[Michelle Obama]

We could not have Kenan Thompson on this podcast without doing one of my favorite skits, which is Black Jeopardy.

[Marlon Wayans]

Let's go. Black Jeopardy.

[Michelle Obama]

Craig and I have always thought we'd be pretty good at it. It looks a little hard. I'm a little intimidated. But I thought that if you would indulge us, you would give us an opportunity to play a couple of rounds.

[Marlon Wayans]

I love Black Jeopardy. It was one of my favorites. Shout out to Chadwick because he had the greatest Black Jeopardy.

[Craig Robinson]

Ever show. He sure did.

[Marlon Wayans]

Incredible. I think we coined the phrase Karen off of that sketch.

[Michelle Obama]

That's Karen. What is a Karen?

[Marlon Wayans]

Yeah, she might say put something like raisins or something in the potato salad. Okay. As you know, Black Jeopardy. Has a bunch of different categories, you know, different ones that, like, you know, our categories today might be. You better say it right. Fixing your plate.

[Akilah Hughes]

Okay.

[Marlon Wayans]

Don't touch that.

[Michelle Obama]

Mm.

[Marlon Wayans]

Oh, you fancy. Ooh, that ain't it. Black Twitter University Hood Classics. Black Dads. Be like, et cetera, et cetera.

[Michelle Obama]

Okay.

[Craig Robinson]

Okay.

[Michelle Obama]

All right. This is the sibling competition.

[Marlon Wayans]

Let's go.

[Craig Robinson]

Good luck.

[Marlon Wayans]

Good luck to both of you contestants.

[Michelle Obama]

Good luck.

[Marlon Wayans]

We should hear about today's prizes. We'll do that later. I feel like Cadillac might be involved. All right, our first category. That ain't it.

[Michelle Obama]

That ain't it.

[Marlon Wayans]

All right, the question is. A friend who says they don't do seasoning is also. What? Mm.

[Craig Robinson]

Not of colorful pigmentation. What is not of colorful pigmentation?

[Marlon Wayans]

Not a person of color. That's close. Do you have an answer?

[Michelle Obama]

Not invited back to my house.

[Guest Father Figure]

Whoa.

[Marlon Wayans]

That is uninvited. Uninvited was the answer. All right, the next category. Black Twitter University.

[Michelle Obama]

Okay.

[Marlon Wayans]

What does she ate and left no crumbs mean? Mm.

[Michelle Obama]

It means she told you off and left you with your mouth hanging on the floor.

[Marlon Wayans]

Yes. We need a ding for the correct answer.

[Michelle Obama]

Ding, ding, ding.

[Marlon Wayans]

That's a good one. Yes.

[Michelle Obama]

Ding, ding.

[Marlon Wayans]

We would have accepted.

[Akilah Hughes]

She slep.

[Marlon Wayans]

She delivered. Or. That was flawless.

[Guest Man]

So you're in that wheelhouse.

[Devon]

Yes.

[Michelle Obama]

What's the score? 2 0.

[Marlon Wayans]

Come on, Craig. What's up, man?

[Craig Robinson]

That's my cam. My buzzer works.

[Marlon Wayans]

Black Jeopardy. You remember that?

[Craig Robinson]

Yes, I know. I know.

[Marlon Wayans]

All right, this is Hood Classics.

[Michelle Obama]

Okay.

[Craig Robinson]

Hood Classics. Hood Classics.

[Akilah Hughes]

Okay.

[Marlon Wayans]

This item doubles as a weapon, a shoe, and an expression of discipline.

[Craig Robinson]

What is mama's fluffy pink house shoe? Ooh. Yes.

[Marlon Wayans]

Ding, ding, ding, ding, ding. That's right.

[Michelle Obama]

That's too specific. Did you have the answer?

[Craig Robinson]

No, I was embellishing as.

[Marlon Wayans]

I was just gonna say house slipper.

[Michelle Obama]

Mom. I was gonna say house flipper.

[Marlon Wayans]

Or that. Flip flop with precision, aim. So, yes, we all know that boomerang joke. The great Eddie Murphy. Incredible. All right, Black dads be like, ooh. What does your dad say every time he walks past the thermostat?

[Michelle Obama]

What is. We ain't trying to heat up the whole. Cool down the whole neighborhood.

[Marlon Wayans]

You got one?

[Craig Robinson]

I do.

[Marlon Wayans]

Mm.

[Craig Robinson]

What is. Nobody should be touching this. Who ain't paying rent.

[Marlon Wayans]

Close. Both of those are very close. We have. Why do it feel like the topics in here? Y' all paying the light bill? Or touch it again and see what happens? Oh, yeah, it was close.

[Craig Robinson]

Yes.

[Marlon Wayans]

We'll split it between the two of you. Okay, so what is it? 2, 1, 3 1?

[Michelle Obama]

It's 2.5 or 1.5?

[Marlon Wayans]

2.5. 1.5.

[Craig Robinson]

Okay, that's close.

[Marlon Wayans]

Come on.

[Michelle Obama]

Okay. Okay.

[Marlon Wayans]

All right, church folks. Okay, if someone shouts, take your time, Pastor. They probably mean what

[Michelle Obama]

they probably Mean hurry up so I can get to the repass and have some fried chicken.

[Craig Robinson]

That's right.

[Marlon Wayans]

Y' all so specific with it.

[Guest Woman]

Ding, ding, ding.

[Craig Robinson]

Cheese.

[Marlon Wayans]

Get to the repass and have some fried.

[Craig Robinson]

That's usually at a funeral.

[Michelle Obama]

I know, but you know, it's a

[Marlon Wayans]

unacceptable answers was wrap it up, we hungry and you dragging it. Mama said the category Mama said if she uses your full government name, including the middle one. What does that mean? Oh, I think Michelle was first.

[Michelle Obama]

You about to get your butt whooped.

[Marlon Wayans]

You about to get it. That is the answer. Let's go. Craig, where you at, man?

[Craig Robinson]

I'm right here.

[Michelle Obama]

Your hand is too far away.

[Craig Robinson]

You gotta be closer to that question before. But that's because I might just cover

[Michelle Obama]

right above

[Akilah Hughes]

or the question category.

[Marlon Wayans]

You better say it right.

[Michelle Obama]

Better say it right.

[Marlon Wayans]

When a black auntie says bless her heart, what does she mean?

[Craig Robinson]

What is she's doing something wrong?

[Marlon Wayans]

Uh huh. You got a better one?

[Michelle Obama]

What is you have no talent at whatever it is you're trying to do.

[Marlon Wayans]

Y' all being nice? We would have accepted she being shady. That girl is struggling or she a mess.

[Michelle Obama]

Is she a mess?

[Marlon Wayans]

Nobody got she a mess.

[Craig Robinson]

Yeah, we were trying to be too nice. We tried to be too nice on that one.

[Marlon Wayans]

This next category is fixing your plate.

[Craig Robinson]

Ooh, ooh.

[Marlon Wayans]

Where is your mama's potato salad recipe stored? That's you, Craig.

[Craig Robinson]

What is in in the middle of the Gideon Bible.

[Marlon Wayans]

Go ahead.

[Michelle Obama]

She don't write the recipe down. She knows it in her head.

[Craig Robinson]

Ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding. That's a good one. That was a good one.

[Marlon Wayans]

That was close. That was close, though, that Gideon. You gotta keep that Gideon close.

[Craig Robinson]

You gotta keep it close.

[Marlon Wayans]

All right, next category. Oh, you fancy?

[Craig Robinson]

Okay.

[Marlon Wayans]

She got on hoops, a side part and baby hairs laid. What does that mean?

[Michelle Obama]

Who got that?

[Marlon Wayans]

I think it was Craig.

[Craig Robinson]

Okay, what is Mama's going out tonight.

[Marlon Wayans]

Close. You got one, Michelle.

[Michelle Obama]

What does that mean? It just means it's a Tuesday.

[Marlon Wayans]

That means she bout her business. Yeah, she not playing. She mean business and don't try her. That's basically what y' all said. Give them both a point. All right, this next category, there's only two more, so you got a chance to catch up. Don't touch. That is the category. When your mama says she watching her stories, what is she referring to?

[Akilah Hughes]

Oh, go ahead.

[Marlon Wayans]

I think that's you.

[Michelle Obama]

What is All My Children, Brian's Hope, One Life to Live.

[Marlon Wayans]

That's right.

[Michelle Obama]

Any of the daytime soaps.

[Marlon Wayans]

That's Right.

[Craig Robinson]

What is General Hospital at our house?

[Marlon Wayans]

General Hospital.

[Michelle Obama]

Well, no, he doesn't get that soap opera.

[Marlon Wayans]

Yeah, no, you got that. Yeah. Come on now.

[Craig Robinson]

That was a good one. That was a good one.

[Marlon Wayans]

That was a good one. This is a bonus question. So this can be worth. What's this going to be?

[Michelle Obama]

We got 5.5 to 1.5.

[Akilah Hughes]

Oh, man.

[Craig Robinson]

So this one's worth 20 points.

[Marlon Wayans]

Five points for a time somebody can win. Five points would be six points.

[Michelle Obama]

Yeah, that's right.

[Craig Robinson]

Yeah.

[Devon]

Yeah.

[Marlon Wayans]

That five points would be the five pointer. Okay, the category is the Obamas be Obamas question. Barack hit you with the. Now let me be clear. What's coming Next, Michelle?

[Michelle Obama]

A 20 minute answer to a question.

[Marlon Wayans]

100% a whole ass TED Talk.

[Craig Robinson]

Listen.

[Marlon Wayans]

But that's because they married. That ain't good for you.

[Michelle Obama]

I didn't think of the questions.

[Marlon Wayans]

Well, I think we got a tab.

[Michelle Obama]

I think your flaw, you were too laid up off the buzzer, you know.

[Craig Robinson]

No, it wasn't the quickness. It was my answers, which I was

[Marlon Wayans]

trying to be too creative. Stroll down black memory.

[Craig Robinson]

That was really fun. Yeah, baby hair.

[Akilah Hughes]

You know I love it.

[Marlon Wayans]

Shout out to the culture,

[Michelle Obama]

Sam.