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In & Around Podcasting
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We love podcast industry podcasts - there are a lot of them and they're run by smart, passionate people who live and breathe podcasting and who are usually industry professionals.
Sometimes though, they don't give the day-to-day enthusiast, creator or indie podcaster a platform to have their say, often taking "the view from the top" as delivered by the "podcasting professionals".
In & Around Podcasting has been designed to respect and live alongside those shows and to be an accessible, inclusive podcast for every single podcaster; a show that allows everyone with an interest in the medium to have a fair, open and transparent view on the podcasting industry and how it affects them - this is your place to be heard.
The podcasting industry belongs to us all, not just the elite and it doesn't matter how long you've been in the industry, your voice is valuable.
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Understanding the Legalities of Podcasting with Gordon Firemark
Jun 17, 202500:41:36Summary readyWhen it comes to podcasting, many indie creators (and some bigger ones, too) don't consider the legalities that might come up, especially since their podcast might start out as just a hobby.But that can lead to a lot of issues down the line, and ones that not only might see content taken down, but large lawsuits coming into effect too. So what can you do to negate this?Join Danny Brown and guest co-host Gordon Firemark as they discuss the legalities around podcasting and why you should take notice of them.Guest co-host this episode: Gordon FiremarkGordon Firemark, The Podcast Lawyer™ is an attorney, educator, and coach who helps creative professionals and entrepreneurs get the legal and business stuff handled—so they can focus on the message and make the impact, influence, and income they deserve. With over three decades of legal experience and a long history as a podcaster and YouTuber himself, Gordon has become the go-to resource for creator who want to protect and grow their shows without legal headaches. He’s the author of The Podcast, Blog & New Media Producers’ Legal Survival Guide, and creator of the Easy Legal for Podcasters™ program, which empowers independent creators with the tools, templates, and knowledge they need to run professional, legally sound podcasts, blogs, YouTube channels and more. Gordon's WebsiteGordon's Facebook groupGordon's Facebook page@gordonfiremark on InstagramGordon on YouTubeLinks to interesting things from this episodeUnlimited podcast hosting • Best podcast platform • Captivate.fmSounds ProfitablePodcast IndexPodnews podcasting newsIn & Around Podcasting is a podcast industry podcast started by Mark Asquith and Danny Brown and now hosted by Elsie Escobar and Rob Walch, continuing its mission as an industry show that belongs to the whole community.If you enjoy the show, we'd love for you to leave us a rating or review on your favourite podcast app! You can also drop us a tip at https://www.inandaroundpodcasting.com/support, too!If you're an independent creator who would like to co-host with us, please let us know by emailing the show! community@captivate.fm.Please tell your friends that the show is available on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, and YouTube, plus wherever else they may listen to their podcasts.If you'd like your podcast trailer featuring in our "Wave File" segment, submit it via this quick contact form, please.The podcast is also available at In & Around Podcasting.This podcast uses the following third-party services for analysis: OP3 - https://op3.dev/privacy
SummaryThe Podcast Show 2025: Insights and Highlights
Jun 10, 202500:45:42Summary readyIn this special bonus episode, Mark and Danny share their thoughts on The Podcast Show London - what worked, what didn't work, and some ideas for future shows.Links to interesting things from this episodeThe Gerry Anderson Podcast - from Thunderbirds to Space 1999Podcast Industry Keynote: The Year That Was - And The Year To Come In Podcasting - Podcast Show 2025The Podcast Show LondonIn & Around Podcasting is a podcast industry podcast started by Mark Asquith and Danny Brown and now hosted by Elsie Escobar and Rob Walch, continuing its mission as an industry show that belongs to the whole community.If you enjoy the show, we'd love for you to leave us a rating or review on your favourite podcast app! You can also drop us a tip at https://www.inandaroundpodcasting.com/support, too!If you're an independent creator who would like to co-host with us, please let us know by emailing the show! community@captivate.fm.Please tell your friends that the show is available on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, and YouTube, plus wherever else they may listen to their podcasts.If you'd like your podcast trailer featuring in our "Wave File" segment, submit it via this quick contact form, please.The podcast is also available at In & Around Podcasting.This podcast uses the following third-party services for analysis: OP3 - https://op3.dev/privacy
SummaryThe State of Podcasting in 2025 with James Cridland
Apr 29, 202501:01:47Summary readyWith this year's Infinite Dial report from Edison Research now in the wild, and co-presented at Podcast Movement Evolutions in Chicago, it's the perfect time to have one of the presenters, James Cridland, on the show to dive into the findings.From online audio listening preferences to the opportunities for creators and brands, James walks us through some of the nuances of the report.James also dives into the Podnews Report Card 2025, where podcasters and creators get to share their feedback directly with the teams behind podcast apps and platforms like Apple Podcasts, Spotify, YouTube and more.Join regular co-host Danny Brown and James in this very enlightening episode!Guest co-host this episode: James CridlandJames Cridland is Editor of Podnews, the daily podcast newsletter. He is a radio futurologist - a writer, consultant and public speaker on radio’s future. James has worked in audio since 1989 as an award-winning copywriter, radio presenter, and internet strategist. One of the organisers of Next Radio, the UK radio ideas conference, James has worked with the world’s largest radio conference, Radiodays Europe, since its inception. He’s also part of the programming team for Radiodays Asia and Podcast Day 24.James's Website@JamesCridland on XLinks to interesting things from this episodeThe Infinite Dial 2025 - Edison ResearchPodcasting 2.0 with Dave Jones and Adam CurryPocket Casts - listen to podcasts with the best free podcasting app. Built by listeners, for listeners.iHeartMedia purchased podcast plays to game their download numbers and the IAB says it's ok!? John Spurlock talks OP3.dev and how it could help filter this bad practice.Adam Curry - curryirc.com (@adamcurry) / XJames Cridland | James Cridland - radio futurologistThe Podnews Report Card 2025 ResultsIn & Around Podcasting is a podcast industry podcast started by Mark Asquith and Danny Brown and now hosted by Elsie Escobar and Rob Walch, continuing its mission as an industry show that belongs to the whole community.If you enjoy the show, we'd love for you to leave us a rating or review on your favourite podcast app! You can also drop us a tip at https://www.inandaroundpodcasting.com/support, too!If you're an independent creator who would like to co-host with us, please let us know by emailing the show! community@captivate.fm.Please tell your friends that the show is available on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, and YouTube, plus wherever else they may listen to their podcasts.If you'd like your podcast trailer featuring in our "Wave File" segment, submit it via this quick contact form, please.The podcast is also available at In & Around Podcasting.This podcast uses the following third-party services for analysis: OP3 - https://op3.dev/privacy
SummaryThe Future of Podcast Networks
Mar 4, 202500:49:31Summary readyAs podcasting continues to see a mix of large investments and ad spend, it also continues to see layoffs across the industry. Many point to some of these large investments as being a cause, with money being spent on large networks and celebrity podcasts.Is this a sign that the industry needs to take a different approach, with perhaps more indie creator-led networks, or is it an unfortunate realism of an industry growing beyond its small beginnings?Join regular co-host Danny Brown and guest co-host Frank Racioppi as they discuss this interesting topic.Guest co-host this episode: Frank RacioppiAfter 38 years as a speechwriter and editor for a Fortune 50 company, Frank retired and indulged his love of podcasting, starting and managing a successful podcast review online publication -- Ear Worthy. He started it in 2017 and has enjoyed connecting with indie podcasters and anyone who supports podcasting. Frank and his brother Paul had a podcast four years ago called False Facts, but it was difficult to keep a regular recording schedule. He's loved writing his entire life and wrote for print magazines in the 80s from New Jersey Monthly, The Pet Dealer, American Health, The Sewing Circle, etc. He's also published five novels and four non-fiction books in the last four years. The novels range from a romance about two people bonding over the love of reading called For The Love Of Books to Least Best Employee, a novel about surviving as middle management in Corporate America. His most popular nonfiction book was called The COVID Hotel. Frank's Website@podcastreports on X@earworthy141 on InstagramLinks to interesting things from this episodeBroadway Podcast Network - The Art of Kindness with Robert PeterpaulEvery Single Sci-Fi Film Ever | Science Fiction Movie PodcastGastropod - Food with a Side of Science & HistoryFilmspotting Movie PodcastTop US Podcast Publishers & Networks - PodtracMercury hits 2 million delivered adsBobbi Althoff joins Studio71's podcast network with The Really Good PodcastHow celebrity podcasts are influencing a new era of tabloid mediaCelebrity Podcasts Roundtable: Challenges and Opportunities | Podcast MovementThese Brands SHOULD Sponsor These Independent PodcastsThe Marketing Swarm Around Indie PodcastersIndependent Podcasting Needs More Networks Like MercuryIn & Around Podcasting is a podcast industry podcast started by Mark Asquith and Danny Brown and now hosted by Elsie Escobar and Rob Walch, continuing its mission as an industry show that belongs to the whole community.If you enjoy the show, we'd love for you to leave us a rating or review on your favourite podcast app! You can also drop us a tip at https://www.inandaroundpodcasting.com/support, too!If you're an independent creator who would like to co-host with us, please let us know by emailing the show! community@captivate.fm.Please tell your friends that the show is available on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, and YouTube, plus wherever else they may listen to their podcasts.If you'd like your podcast trailer featuring in our "Wave File" segment, submit it via this quick contact form, please.The podcast is also available at In & Around Podcasting.This podcast uses the following third-party services for analysis: OP3 - https://op3.dev/privacy
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Has Podcasting 2.0 Failed?
Feb 18, 202500:50:25Summary readyThe Podcasting 2.0 initiative has been around since 2020, and is a way for the traditional RSS feed to be more interactive both for podcasters and listeners. This means offering features like transcripts, chapters, credits for talent on podcasters, funding your favourite shows, and more.It's also meant to keep the RSS system open and "protect" it from the walled garden approach of Spotify, YouTube, and - to a lesser degree - Apple Podcasts.Bit despite being the brainchild of the podcast OG Adam Curry, and lots of vocal support from certain parts of the industry, it seems that Podcasting 2.0 is still struggling to gain a real foothold. So why hasn't Podcasting 2.0 taken off, and has the boat sailed for this initiative?Join regular hosts Mark and Danny, with guest co-host Claire Waite Brown, as they dive into this much-vaunted but sometimes equally-maligned topic.This week's guest co-host: Claire Waite BrownIndie podcaster - Creativity Found, 2020 to present; Podcasting 2.0 in Practice Jan 2025 to present Creativity Found podcast inspired me to build a directory of creative activities for adults, all taught by independent small business owners who are members of the Creativity Found Collective. Became interested in 2.0 through listening to podcasts about podcasting and meeting proponents at podcast live events. Friends with many indie podcasters who feel they 'should' know what 2.0 is, but not sure where to start, or if they should bother! Teach a dance fitness class, edit books, member of a parents' street dance crew!!Claire's Facebook groupClaire's Facebook page@podcasting2.0inpractice on InstagramClaire on YouTubeClaire's WebsiteLinks to interesting things from this episodeMIC's (virtual/in-person) Podcast Club for global podcastersIs Podcasting 2.0 Pointless? - In & Around PodcastingThe Podfather launches a new, open podcast directoryBest Host for Podcasting 2.0 - Find Out How! | CaptivatePodcast Index Podcasting 2.0 Statistics, visualizedPodcasting 2.0 V4V Stats UptakePodcasting 2.0 Namespace AdoptionApps | Podcastindex.orgPodcasting 2.0 - Making podcasts better for everyone!In & Around Podcasting is a podcast industry podcast started by Mark Asquith and Danny Brown and now hosted by Elsie Escobar and Rob Walch, continuing its mission as an industry show that belongs to the whole community.If you enjoy the show, we'd love for you to leave us a rating or review on your favourite podcast app! You can also drop us a tip at https://www.inandaroundpodcasting.com/support, too!If you're an independent creator who would like to co-host with us, please let us know by emailing the show! community@captivate.fm.Please tell your friends that the show is available on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, and YouTube, plus wherever else they may listen to their podcasts.If you'd like your podcast trailer featuring in our "Wave File" segment, submit it via this quick contact form, please.The podcast is also available at In & Around Podcasting.This podcast uses the following third-party services for analysis: OP3 - https://op3.dev/privacy
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PodFest: A Legacy of Community & Growth with Chris Krimitsos
Feb 4, 202500:36:06Summary readyThe episode provides an insightful recap of the recent PodFest event, a significant gathering in the podcasting industry, characterized by its inclusive atmosphere and focus on community building. Mr. Mark and co-host Chris delve into the origins of PodFest, tracing its inception back to grassroots meetups aimed at supporting podcasters in their journey. Through their dialogue, they reveal how PodFest has grown organically, driven by the collective needs of its attendees, resulting in a unique event that is both educational and supportive. Chris shares anecdotes from the event, illustrating the relationships that have formed over the years and the nurturing environment that PodFest fosters.The discussion transitions to the evolving landscape of podcasting, with both hosts reflecting on the challenges and opportunities faced by indie creators. They emphasize the significance of networking and collaboration in the industry, noting how PodFest serves as a hub for podcasters of all levels to connect and share experiences. The hosts highlight specific sessions and interactions from PodFest, showcasing the diverse range of content and learning opportunities available to attendees. They convey a sense of optimism about the future of podcasting, underlining the role of events like PodFest in shaping the industry and supporting the next generation of creators.In concluding remarks, Mark and Chris reiterate their commitment to fostering a spirit of inclusivity and support within the podcasting community. They invite listeners to engage with PodFest and consider attending future events, emphasizing the value of being part of a community that celebrates creativity and collaboration in podcasting. The episode serves as a compelling testament to the power of community in the podcasting realm, encouraging listeners to take part in this vibrant ecosystem.In & Around Podcasting is a podcast industry podcast started by Mark Asquith and Danny Brown and now hosted by Elsie Escobar and Rob Walch, continuing its mission as an industry show that belongs to the whole community.If you enjoy the show, we'd love for you to leave us a rating or review on your favourite podcast app! You can also drop us a tip at https://www.inandaroundpodcasting.com/support, too!If you're an independent creator who would like to co-host with us, please let us know by emailing the show! community@captivate.fm.Please tell your friends that the show is available on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, and YouTube, plus wherever else they may listen to their podcasts.If you'd like your podcast trailer featuring in our "Wave File" segment, submit it via this quick contact form, please.The podcast is also available at In & Around Podcasting.This podcast uses the following third-party services for analysis: OP3 - https://op3.dev/privacy
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Video Podcasting: What It Means for Podcasters
Jan 13, 202500:54:02Summary ready2024 saw Spotify make a big push for video on their platform, while it also seemed anywhere you turned online was someone telling podcasters they need to do video to stay relevant.So, is 2025 the year we all need to get on board with video podcasting, or does audio-first podcasting still have merits? Join your regular hosts Mark Asquith and Danny Brown, as well as guest co-host John McDermott, as they look to answer the question on everyone's lips: what does the push for video mean for podcasting and podcasters? Our guest co-host this week: John McDermott Co-Founder of Caloroga Shark Media, a podcast company focused on short-form pods. Previously EVP programming for Cadence 13. Before that 10 years at SiriusXM (VP Comedy & Entertainment). Before THAT a decade at WOR New York doing talk radio I am the host of the podcasts 5 Good News Stories and Daily Comedy News. Substack where I pontificate is John McDermott's Media Thoughts (mcdpod.substack.com) and people are encouraged to be my LinkedIn friend. John's Website @mcdradio on X Links to interesting things from this episodeDave & Dave Unchained Van Halen podcast Podcast – Apple PodcastsPodcast Predictions, Trends & Tips for 2025Will Video Kill the Audio Star in 2025?Podcasting's unique selling proposition is not video | James Cridland - radio futurologistIn & Around Podcasting is a podcast industry podcast started by Mark Asquith and Danny Brown and now hosted by Elsie Escobar and Rob Walch, continuing its mission as an industry show that belongs to the whole community.If you enjoy the show, we'd love for you to leave us a rating or review on your favourite podcast app! You can also drop us a tip at https://www.inandaroundpodcasting.com/support, too!If you're an independent creator who would like to co-host with us, please let us know by emailing the show! community@captivate.fm.Please tell your friends that the show is available on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, and YouTube, plus wherever else they may listen to their podcasts.If you'd like your podcast trailer featuring in our "Wave File" segment, submit it via this quick contact form, please.The podcast is also available at In & Around Podcasting.This podcast uses the following third-party services for analysis: OP3 - https://op3.dev/privacy
SummaryAn Important Message for Indie Podcasters, and a Small Format Tweak for 2025
Dec 11, 202400:13:13Tap to summarizeJoin Mark and Danny in this bonus episode, as they reflect on the past year of In & Around Podcasting, share some important advice about frequency of publishing, and what's coming up in 2025.Are you an indie podcaster looking to guest on the show next year? Sign up here!Links to interesting things from this episodePod Chat, with Danny BrownThe Podcast Accelerator by Mark AsquithTaking a break for a month? : r/podcastingPodcast Discovery Stats: How Folks Find Pods, & Why They ListenIn & Around Podcasting is a podcast industry podcast started by Mark Asquith and Danny Brown and now hosted by Elsie Escobar and Rob Walch, continuing its mission as an industry show that belongs to the whole community.If you enjoy the show, we'd love for you to leave us a rating or review on your favourite podcast app! You can also drop us a tip at https://www.inandaroundpodcasting.com/support, too!If you're an independent creator who would like to co-host with us, please let us know via Twitter and we'll get you booked!Please tell your friends that the show is available on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, and YouTube, plus wherever else they may listen to their podcasts.If you'd like your podcast trailer featuring in our "Wave File" segment, submit it via this quick contact form, please.The podcast is also available at In & Around Podcasting.This podcast uses the following third-party services for analysis: OP3 - https://op3.dev/privacy
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How Much is The Podcast Industry Really Worth?
Nov 19, 202400:51:20Tap to summarizeThere are many valuations of the podcast industry, depending on what report you read. Polaris valued the global worth at $13.7B in 2021, expected to grow an average of 31.5% CAGR (compound annual growth rate) through to 2030 (seems supremely high)Fortune Business Insights show is as $2.2B in 2022, projected to grow to $17.59B in 2030, a CAGR of 29.8%Meanwhile, the IAB shares US ad revenue as $1.8B in 2022, rising to $1.9 in 2023 (which seems closer to Fortune Business Insights and their global ranking). So you can see why there's confusion.Join Mark and Danny, and this week's guest co-host Rob Greenlee, as they break this all down in the usual In & Around Podcasting way. Our guest co-host this week: Rob Greenlee Rob Greenlee, a 2017 Podcast Hall of Fame inductee and podcasting pioneer, has spent over 24 years shaping the online media industry. As founder of Spoken Life Media - Adore Podcast Network and Creator Community, and Multi-Camera Video Production. He is also host of Podcast Tips with Rob Greenlee and Trust Factor Shows, he empowers creators with practical insights and innovative strategies. Rob’s background includes leadership roles at Microsoft, PodcastOne, Spreaker, and Libsyn, where he drove content development, distribution, and partnerships. He also co-hosts the 12-year running New Media Show with Todd Cochrane, providing weekly industry updates. As Chairperson of the Podcast Hall of Fame, Rob continues to champion the podcasting community worldwide through speaking and mentorship. Rob's Website Rob on YouTube Rob's Facebook page @robwgreenlee on Instagram @robgreenlee on X Links to interesting things from this episodeArielle NissenblattPodcast Hall of FamePODFEST EXPO | Where Your Voice MattersPodcast Industry Statistics 2024 – Global Market Size and Growth | Comprehensive podcast industry statistics for 2024. Collaborative wiki covers global market size, growth trends, platform market share, and advertising revenue estimates.Podcasting Market Size, Share, Revenue | Fortune Business InsightsPolaris Podcasting Market Size Global Report, 2022 - 2030IAB US Podcast Advertising Revenue Study FY2023 May 2024.pdfJustin Jackson on X: "I keep seeing two numbers for the podcast industry: "Podcasting is a $2 billion a year industry." "The podcast industry is worth $20 billion." Can anyone tell me where these numbers come from and how they're calculated? (They're often quoted but never cited)" / XIn & Around Podcasting is a podcast industry podcast started by Mark Asquith and Danny Brown and now hosted by Elsie Escobar and Rob Walch, continuing its mission as an industry show that belongs to the whole community.If you enjoy the show, we'd love for you to leave us a rating or review on your favourite podcast app! You can also drop us a tip at https://www.inandaroundpodcasting.com/support, too!If you're an independent creator who would like to co-host with us, please let us know via Twitter and we'll get you booked!Please tell your friends that the show is available on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, and YouTube, plus wherever else they may listen to their podcasts.If you'd like your podcast trailer featuring in our "Wave File" segment, submit it via this quick contact form, please.The podcast is also available at In & Around Podcasting.This podcast uses the following third-party services for analysis: OP3 - https://op3.dev/privacy
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Behind the Scenes - The Making of In & Around Podcasting
Mar 4, 2024Tap to summarizeIn this bonus episode, Mark and Danny discuss the purpose and vision of the In and Around Podcasting show. They emphasize the importance of inclusivity and alternative viewpoints in the podcasting industry. They introduce the show's segments, including the Stupid Stuff in Podcasting, the Flattering Ram, the Wave File and the Whimsical Podcasting Wishlist. The hosts express their excitement for the show and their commitment to highlighting powerful podcasting perspectives.TakeawaysInclusivity and alternative viewpoints are crucial in the podcasting industry.The industry should strive to be more accessible and welcoming to all podcasters.Recognizing and highlighting good people and their contributions in the industry is important.Sharing ideas and giving credit to all podcasters, regardless of their status, can lead to industry progress.Chapters00:00 Introduction and Purpose of the Show01:21 The Love for Podcasting02:38 Challenges of Being a Solo Podcaster04:15 The Importance of Inclusivity in the Podcasting Industry06:03 The Need for Alternative Viewpoints08:21 The Vision of In and Around Podcasting09:18 The Trend Towards Inclusivity in the Podcasting Community10:14 The Importance of Making Podcasting Accessible11:05 The Divide in the Podcasting Industry12:03 Introduction to Show Segments13:23 The Stupid Stuff in Podcasting14:28 The Flattering Ram15:23 Highlighting Good People in the Industry16:25 The Whimsical Podcasting Wishlist19:01 Equalizing Ideas and Giving Credit20:18 Excitement for the Show21:08 Closing RemarksIn & Around Podcasting is a podcast industry podcast started by Mark Asquith and Danny Brown and now hosted by Elsie Escobar and Rob Walch, continuing its mission as an industry show that belongs to the whole community.If you enjoy the show, we'd love for you to leave us a rating or review on your favourite podcast app! You can also drop us a tip at https://www.inandaroundpodcasting.com/support, too!If you're an independent creator who would like to co-host with us, please let us know via Twitter and we'll get you booked!Please tell your friends that the show is available on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, and YouTube, plus wherever else they may listen to their podcasts.If you'd like your podcast trailer featuring in our "Wave File" segment, submit it via this quick contact form, please.The podcast is also available at In & Around Podcasting.This podcast uses the following third-party services for analysis: OP3 - https://op3.dev/privacy
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